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I would like to mention a new feature of the Brady Campaign Blog, found at www.bradycampaign.org/blog. It is called the Brady NewsWatch, and it will provide a sampling of key events in the news relating to guns and gun violence prevention. I encourage readers to check the site often, and to make it a part of their regular news diet. Here are a few examples that have appeared in recent days, including news of Sen. Kennedy's surgery this morning:

Senator Kennedy In Our Thoughts, Prayers


Everyone in the Brady community across the country has Sen. Kennedy in their thoughts and prayers this morning:

Senator Edward M. Kennedy is undergoing surgery for his malignant brain tumor at Duke University this morning, his office announced today.

The surgery was to begin about 9 a.m. and will last approximately six hours.

In a statement released shortly before 6:30 a.m., Kennedy said he would be operated on by Dr. Allan Friedman at the Duke University Medical Center and expects to recuperate there for about a week.

In the weeks and months after the surgery, Kennedy will begin a regimen of radiation and chemotherapy at Massachusetts General Hospital in Boston, according to the statement.

Kennedy sailed in Hyannis Port Sunday morning, then flew to North Carolina with his wife, Victoria Reggie Kennedy, Sunday afternoon. He was admitted to the hospital after his arrival.

The surgery follows a meeting at Massachusetts General Hospital on Friday, during which cancer experts from around the country discussed his course of treatment. At that meeting, Kennedy's own doctors were joined by doctors from the National Institutes of Health and the National Cancer Institute, as well as Friedman himself, according to a Kennedy intimate. At the end of the meeting, there was near unanimous agreement that he would have surgery at Duke, the confidant said.

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We remember what Sarah said just days ago, "I know that Teddy will win this fight, as he has won so many in the past."


7-Year Old FL Girl Shoots Mom With Unlocked Handgun
According to reports, a handgun in the home recently bought for self-defense was left loaded, unlocked and in reach of a child who then shot her mother with it:
It was just last week when Sharda Brijmohan was napping in her bed.

She said she never could have imagined that her first grade daughter would find a gun in a nightstand and shoot her.


"She probably, I don't know, in her little mind thought it was not loaded and she took it out and you know, it went off," Brijmohan said.


Two shots, one in her arm, another in her chest. Her voice was weakened by the injuries.


Last Friday her home was a crime scene as the Palm Beach County Sheriff's Office investigated how a gun made it into the hands of a 7 year old girl.


"It was an unfortunate accident," said Brijmohan.


Brijmohan says the family had purchased the gun about six months ago.


"My husband got it as a protection because as of late there's a lot of break-ins in the neighborhood," she said.


Brijmohan said it's normally kept in a safe, but the night before, her husband had gotten it out after hearing a noise.


"He just honestly forgot to put it in. That's it. Put it back in the lock box," she said.


The next day Bridjmohan dozed off. Her daughter found the loaded 9mm in a nightstand drawer and fired.


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The risks of guns in the home are well-documented, particularly that a firearm at home is 22 times more likely to be used against a resident than in self-defense. Laws that require guns at home to kept with trigger locks, out of the reach of children, locked away and unloaded, are all important measures we can take to help keep children and families safe.

Licensed FL Gun Dealer Pleads Guilty To Facilitating Straw Purchases For Felon


An article in today's Florida Sun-Sentinel reports a Federally licensed gun dealer in Pembroke, Florida is likely to be sentenced to seven years in prison for helping a felon structure straw purchases of firearms from the dealer's pawnshop:

... From late 2007 through early 2008 [licensed gun dealer Victor] Needleman sold groups of pistols to a man who admitted to having a felony conviction, making him ineligible to own or purchase weapons, he told U.S. District Judge William P. Dimitrouleas in open court. To get around that, Needleman helped the customer use someone with a clean record, called a straw buyer, to purchase the weapon on his behalf.
Needleman gave instructions on how to avoid the reporting requirements, and advised the customer to bring his wife to the shop and let her go through the background checks. He also changed dates on federal firearms records, to help the customer avoid a mandatory three-day waiting period for purchases. The weapons were to be used by rival drug gangs involved in deadly shootouts in Guatemala, records show....
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The Brady Center has exposed similar corrupt behavior from other licensed gun dealers in recent years, including Frank D'Andrea of Bridgeport Connecticut (sentenced to Federal prison), former NRA Board member Sanford Abrams of Baltimore, Maryland (who received a five-year suspended sentence, plus a year of probation), and Anthony Cucchiara in San Leandro, California (cited for "thousands of violations of Federal law").

Stories like these provide important reminders that, as ATF has found, about 1.2% of Federally licensed gun dealers account for almost 60% of crime guns in America.

(Note to readers: Paul Helmke's blog entries are co-posted on bradycampaign.org/blog and the Huffington Post.)

I would like to mention a new feature of the Brady Campaign Blog, found at www.bradycampaign.org/blog. It is called the Brady NewsWatch, and it will provide a sampling of key events in the news relat...
I would like to mention a new feature of the Brady Campaign Blog, found at www.bradycampaign.org/blog. It is called the Brady NewsWatch, and it will provide a sampling of key events in the news relat...
 
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Concerning open carry:

Police acknowledge the practice is legal, but some say it makes their lives tougher.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:28 PM on 06/09/2008

"Some Say"?

Some say it makes their lives easier.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:32 PM on 06/09/2008

MMimi:

Why aren't you quoting your brother this time. When you wanted to make a point about gun shows you quoted your brother. Now you refer to police in general. Does that mean your brother doesn't think open carry is a problem?

Michael

"...I don't feel the need to prove anything to you or anyone else who posts comments here..." MMimi, June 9, 2008

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:02 PM on 06/09/2008
- djkrlsn I'm a Fan of djkrlsn 23 fans permalink

because Marsha and Kelli don't think they need to prove anything--they are losing this discussion

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:00 AM on 06/10/2008
- djkrlsn I'm a Fan of djkrlsn 23 fans permalink

Marsha--since the police will accept no responsibility for my safety (or the safety of any other law abiding citizen), I expect them to facilitate law abiding citizens being able to carry the most effective tools for self defense legally--and I don't especially care if big city chiefs or your brother think law abiding adults should be allowed to carry firearms--being armed for self defense is a basic right of a free person.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:39 AM on 06/10/2008

The latest from MMimi for those of you who have not seen it...

"...I don't feel the need to prove anything to you or anyone else who posts comments here..."

I think if speaks for itself.

Michael

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:44 PM on 06/09/2008

You were asking me about my brother and said I had run away rather than proving it. Wonder why you didn't show them my entire post???

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:26 PM on 06/09/2008

Mostly because it was full of claims that noone made except you so why bother?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:34 PM on 06/09/2008

Marsha:

I didn't show your whole post because, to paraphrase you, I didn't feel like it. Besides, I said the "latest from MMimi" so anyone who is really interested can check your profile and see the whole quote.

I still think you are running away. You don't have to give me your brother's name/badge number (I never asked for those) to answer my questions. I asked if he had ever traced a crime gun back to a gun show.

When you are asked why several times, you finally reply...

"...I don't feel the need to prove anything to you or anyone else who posts comments here..."

It goes to credibility. If you want us to believe you and take you seriously, then respond with some facts to support your comments rather than saying you don't have to prove anything.

As I have noted before, I now have even more of a special interest in keeping peace officers safe on the streets. Many of my classmates are now my friends as are the officers (most still active duty) who instructed us.

The only thing I have ever asked for on this blog or on Paul's (when he was still allowing us to post) was some real dialog. Even though I have been very open about who I am and where I live, I don't ask or expect that of anyone else. But you can answer the questions I pose without endangering your brother's identity or your own.

Michael

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:25 PM on 06/09/2008
- muffinman2 I'm a Fan of muffinman2 3 fans permalink

"I'm not going to give out his name and badge number. I don't feel the need to prove anything to you or anyone else who posts comments here. Get a life."

These people can't open their mouths without smoke and ad-hominem spewing forth.

Ask her about the time she claims to have gone to a gun show where one of the displays allegedly had a sign that said "No Questions Asked". We tried for a week to get her to tell us what state that was in.

The smoke screen was that she didn't feel the need to prove anything to us.

The ad -hominem was that she was afraid we would try to track her down with just a username and a state to go by. Like we'd bother.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:50 PM on 06/09/2008

All that showed was that either

A) She was lying.

or

B) She really doesn't care about gun crime

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:55 PM on 06/09/2008

But here's something you might read from the NRA:

Homeowner hits home invader with shotgun blast; Deputies following blood trail

A Lincoln County man picked up his shotgun and fired twice when he saw a flashlight beam shining under the bedroom door and then heard someone grabbing the door handle, according to a Lincoln County Sheriff's Office release.

The incident took place around 2:50 a.m. Monday at a home on the 4400 block of Catawba Burris Road in eastern Lincoln County.

At least one person was hit and officers followed a blood trail out of the residence, down the driveway and a short distance south on Catawba Burris Road, according to the release.

Lincoln County Sheriff's officers are searching door-to door and a reverse 9-1-1 call went out at 4 a.m.

The homeowners told Lincoln County investigators they were awakened by the sound of breaking glass around 2:50 a.m.

Officers do not know if more than one person was inside the residence.

Deputies including the Tactical warrant Team and K-9 units have been searching the area looking for the suspect.

http://www.gastongazette.com/news/county_21445___article.html/lincoln_door.html

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:40 PM on 06/09/2008
- Jadegold I'm a Fan of Jadegold 7 fans permalink

News you won't hear about from the NBA:

http://www.sltrib.com/News/ci_9522682

{{A Herriman man is dead after an acquaintance accidently shot him in the back Saturday, police said.
About 9:30 p.m., four men were working on a yard in Rush Valley for an upcoming wedding when the conversation turned to guns, Tooele County Sheriff's Department Sgt. Jason Sparks said.
The homeowner has an extensive gun collection, Sparks said, and he brought out a .45-caliber Springfield model 1911 handgun. A 66-year-old guest from out of state slid the rack back as he looked at the weapon.
The guest, who holds a concealed weapons permit, checked if the gun was loaded, Sparks said, but did not see a bullet in the magazine.
Sliding the rack raised the hammer, and to drop it, the man had to pull the trigger. When he did, the bullet shot from the gun and hit the 41-year-old Herriman man in the back. He was pronounced dead at the scene.
Police did not release the name of either man, and are investigating to decide whether charges should be filed. The two men knew each other, Sparks said. Their children are friends. }}

Darwinism in action.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:29 PM on 06/09/2008

You're right. The National Basketball Assoc. most likely wouldn't put this out in a news release.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:39 PM on 06/09/2008
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Just wondering, but looking at my keyboard, the "B" isn't even close to the "R"...'tard!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:07 PM on 06/09/2008

Yes, unfortunately you don't get much crime news at NBA games.

Go Sixers.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:03 PM on 06/09/2008
- tadees I'm a Fan of tadees 3 fans permalink

Go Hawks...wait, what?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:05 PM on 06/09/2008
- tadees I'm a Fan of tadees 3 fans permalink

...except for the Wizards or d'Bulls...whoops! DC and Chicago both have gun bans. Hmmmm....

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:09 PM on 06/09/2008

More news you won't hear from the Bradys:

Jensen, 28, decided to give [open carry] a try. A few days later, his gun was visible, dangling from a black holster strapped around his hip as he walked into a Costco. His heart raced as he ordered a Polish dog at the counter. No one called police. No one stopped him.

He now carries his Glock 23 openly into his bank, restaurants and shopping centers. He wore the gun to a Ron Paul rally. He and his wife, Clachelle, drop off their 5-year-old daughter at elementary school with pistols dangling from their hip holsters and never have received a complaint or a wary look.

He said he tries not to flaunt his gun. “We don’t want to show up and say, ‘Hey, we’re here, we’re armed, get used to it.’ ” But he and others who publicly display their guns have a common purpose.

The Jensens are part of a fledgling movement to make a firearm as common an accessory as an iPod. Called open-carry by its supporters, the movement has attracted grandparents, graduate students and lifelong gun enthusiasts like the Jensens.

http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/nationworld/2004464820_opencarry08.html

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:42 PM on 06/09/2008
- Jadegold I'm a Fan of Jadegold 7 fans permalink

Kubicek omits a few choice sentences:

{{ Their 5-year-old daughter, Sierra, has a child-sized .22 rifle she handles only in her parents' presence.}}

A dumb idea.


{{"I immediately fell in love with it," said Kevin Jensen, a five-year member of the Army Reserve. "I like things that go 'boom.' "}}

Yup. Another mature NRA quisling.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:22 PM on 06/09/2008

No Jade, I didn't "omit" anything. That's why I provided a link so people could read the whole thing. I know that's a difficult concept for you to grasp.

But instead, you need to resort to the usual insults and ad hominems since you've been shown again to be a flat out liar and hypocrite.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:12 PM on 06/09/2008

Of course Jade is now saying he thinks parental supervision is a dumb idea. I guess he would prefer the child run around w/ it unsupervised so he could get another potential news item to try and ban guns w/.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:14 PM on 06/09/2008

Even more news you won't hear from the Bradys. And one to disprove the myth that you can't win against a criminal who has the drop on you:

Two teens who were fatally wounded Tuesday night were apparently breaking into a house when the owner shot them, according to Louisville Metro Police..
In an interview, Jackson said last night that he and his wife were cleaning an apartment in the house that had recently been vacated when the teens forced their way inside. Jackson, 70, said the teens were wearing masks, demanded his wallet and threatened to kill him. He said he pretended he was having a heart attack to buy himself a couple of seconds to reach for the gun he had in his waistband.

“They had the weapon two feet from my head—I thought I was dead,” he said. He said he fired because he wanted to protect his wife, who was in the kitchen at the time.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:35 PM on 06/09/2008

More news you won't hear from the Brady Campaign about "Gun Free" Chicago:

Nine people were shot -- including a woman who was seriously injured and a 16-year-old boy -- in seven separate eruptions of violence late Wednesday and early Thursday on the South and West Sides.

Three men were shot Thursday evening in the Washington Park neighborhood on Chicago's South Side, police said.

Good thing the police are on the case(s):

Chicago Police Officer Joseph A. Grillo, 45, was arrested Wednesday afternoon as he got off a plane at O'Hare International Airport, FBI Special Agent-in-Charge Robert Grant announced Thursday. He was also charged with mail fraud.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:32 PM on 06/09/2008
- Jadegold I'm a Fan of Jadegold 7 fans permalink

Obviously, the NRA Talking Points have been issued--Kubicek and Molon are parroting the same story, even repeating the same op/ed.

What the NRA cultists are missing is the fact the gun dealer voluntarily defaulted on the suit; nobody forced him to do so. He did so of his own free will.

Of course, his story is that of most criminals: he didn't get a fair trial, everyone was gainst him, etc. Of course, this omits the inconvenient fact he chose not to undertake a judicial proceeding.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:10 PM on 06/09/2008

Or maybe we got it off the same blog. See Jade, unlike yours, people actually read mine.

But facts don't matter to you. Do they? Otherwise you'ld be able to source where you got the numbers for your claim of the population of Chicago being 9.7 million.

A non-answer will be considered an admission of it being an intentional lie.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:39 PM on 06/09/2008

jade has a blog? But i thought there had to be reciprocation and discussion to constitute a blog?

Isn't his more of an editorial?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:44 PM on 06/09/2008
- Jadegold I'm a Fan of Jadegold 7 fans permalink

People read your blog, Roy?

You and Melody.

Wow.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:14 PM on 06/09/2008
- kaveman I'm a Fan of kaveman 6 fans permalink

Jade has a blog???

Maybe that's where Kelli ran off to.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:29 PM on 06/09/2008

Jade, when I want to read cited and substantiated material regarding the 2A, I typically visit sites which actually have said material.

When I want to read unsubstantiated and erroneous statistics, red herrings, ad hominem, and very VERY over-estimated census statistics, I'll read something posted by you.

You're right; the GA gun dealer defaulted on his own. No one forced him. I can see your concern as well, seeing as though the Deft was going to receive such a fair and unbiased trial. I mean, so what that an anti-gun judge, in the hip pocket of an anti-gun mayor, decides that he alone will get to decide the law and facts of a gun-related case in lieu of the Deft being judged by a jury of his peers?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:41 PM on 06/09/2008
- Jadegold I'm a Fan of Jadegold 7 fans permalink

{{Jade, when I want to read cited and substantiated material regarding the 2A, I typically visit sites which actually have said material.}}

Odd--is that why you cited an op/ed?

Hate to break it to you, Molon, but an op/ed is just that--an opinion. It isn't substantiated--it's an opinion just as if someone says chocolate is the best flavor. Or that the '85 Mets were the best team ever.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:09 PM on 06/09/2008
- Jadegold I'm a Fan of Jadegold 7 fans permalink

Obviously the NRA Talking Points have been sent out--Roy K and Molon dutifully parrot them below. They even cite the same op/ed.

What's important to note is that the GA gun dealer defaulted; nobody made him do that, it was his action alone.

Moreover, the gun dealer uses the same rationales used by criminals everywhere: I didn't get a fair trial, the judge/jury­/prosecuto­r were biased against me, etc. Of course, this is so much smoke--the dealer was the one who defaulted.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:02 PM on 06/09/2008

Hand Picked Judges who coach the prosecutors? Check

Said judge making the ruling in lieu of a jury? Check

Claiming there is no appeal? Check

Oh, wait. This isn't in Zimbabwe under dictator Mugabe, this is in New York City, under dictator Mayor Bloomberg.

This is the world under Brady style gun control.

http://www.dailyreportonline.com/Editorial/News/singleEdit.asp?rVal=56808104069607&origin=emailRefer&individual_SQL=6/5/2008@23814

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:20 AM on 06/09/2008

Paul,

I think I'm catching on.....I'm learing to spot Judicial Activism(tm) alot more clearly now. Thanks!:

"The lawyer for Georgia's largest independent gun dealer said this week that his client trusted a New York jury would find that he had done nothing to put guns into the hands of New York City criminals—until the presiding judge announced that the jury would deliver a recommendation, rather than a verdict.

Six days before the trial was to begin, U.S. District Senior Judge Jack B. Weinstein announced that he would employ the unusual advisory jury arrangement by which, Renzulli explained, the judge had the power to determine not only the law but also the facts, either in accordance with or in spite of the jury verdict."

http://www.dailyreportonline.com/Editorial/News/singleEdit.asp?rVal=56808104069607&origin=emailRefer&individual_SQL=6/5/2008@23814

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:57 AM on 06/09/2008
- muffinman2 I'm a Fan of muffinman2 3 fans permalink

Jade sayeth:

"You have credentials in law enforcement, Mikey?

Ummm, no. No, you don't. You took classes which counts for zip on the law enforcement scale."

Ummm, yes. Yes, he does. Michael graduated from the police academy and has taken required courses to be certified in other, related areas. That's a bit more substatail than "you took classes". That makes it sound like he was bored and took classes at community college at night. That is not the case here.

Since you are a self proclaimed authority on what "counts for zip", What may I ask are your credentials?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:58 AM on 06/09/2008
- Jadegold I'm a Fan of Jadegold 7 fans permalink

Still, ummm no, Muffy.

Mikey's credentials as a police officer are nada.

Zip, zilch, bupkis.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:45 AM on 06/09/2008
- djkrlsn I'm a Fan of djkrlsn 23 fans permalink

Jade--and your credentials consist of what beyond a big mouth and a willingness to post many fabrictions?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:31 AM on 06/09/2008

Jade Translation:

When caught in anther lie, lather, rinse, repeat.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:33 AM on 06/09/2008
- djkrlsn I'm a Fan of djkrlsn 23 fans permalink

Jade--and what are your qualifications?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:36 AM on 06/09/2008
- djkrlsn I'm a Fan of djkrlsn 23 fans permalink

Jadegold's credentials are a big mouth, a bad attitude and a supreme disregard for the truth

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:22 AM on 06/09/2008

Luckily, no one had a gun or it could have been worse. Wouldn't want any Dangerous Crossfire(tm) or anything.....

"Tomohiro Kato, the 25-year-old man accused of ramming pedestrians with a truck and then stabbing 17 bystanders in Tokyo's popular Akihabara district on Sunday, posted the messages on an Internet bulletin board from his cell phone, a police spokesman said."

http://news.aol.com/story/_a/rampage-suspect-posted-warnings/20080608063309990001

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:05 AM on 06/09/2008

"It's gotten so you can't even walk down a crowded street," he said.

"Japan's chief Cabinet spokesman told reporters the government was considering tightening restrictions on large-bladed survival knives like the one apparently used in Sunday's attack, which had a five-inch blade and is available in stores."


Ban the implement, and crime will just go away. It's doing wonders for the UK and Australia. Why shouldn't Japan follow suit?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:20 AM on 06/09/2008
- muffinman2 I'm a Fan of muffinman2 3 fans permalink

Jade lied:
"Let's see; DJ sez violent criminals belong in jail.

We've heard that tune before.

Where did Sanford Abrams wind up? On the NRA board."

This is typical Jade. He makes this statement hoping people who don't know who Sanford Abrams is, will just assume he is telling the truth for a change, and read no further.

Sanford Abrams is not a violent criminal, Jade.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:03 AM on 06/09/2008
- Jadegold I'm a Fan of Jadegold 7 fans permalink

Sanford Abrams is a gun dealer.

He has been charged with over 900 violations of federal gun laws. IOW, he has provided firearms to people who shouldn't have them. Some of these guns have been used in crimes, including one where someone shot at police.

So, when Muffy says Abrams isn't a violent criminal, he's being disingenuous. Abrams has contributed mightily to violent crime.

Again, the MO holds true: NRA cultists will excuse crime if its perpetrated with a firearm.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:17 AM on 06/09/2008
- OldSFMJT I'm a Fan of OldSFMJT 10 fans permalink
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Jade wrote: Again, the MO holds true: NRA cultists will excuse crime if its perpetrated with a firearm.

This, of course, is a lie! When Mr. Abrams misdeeds were uncovered, the NRA, policing itself, pressured Abrams to resign. Not a soul, certainly no one here, excused him or said that he shouldn't pay the penalty for his crime.

This charge is, of course, leveled be a man who lacks the common decency and guts to man up & apologize for lying, and then being completely exposed as a liar, about the comments of another poster here - Vespasian 1 (vs. Vespasian) and his alleged comments about Teddy Kennedy.

Maybe it's just me, but when I think of jadegold the word "slimy" comes to mind!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:00 AM on 06/09/2008

"He has been charged with over 900 violations of federal gun laws. IOW, he has provided"

Your statements are contradictory Jade. First you say he has been "charged with" then you say he "has" done what he's been charged with.

So now you're claiming that being charged with a crime = guilty of the crime.

So when Jade says someone is a "violent criminal", he's being disingenuous.

Again the MO holds true: Jade will make any excuse to throw out ad hominems and red herrings when he's been shown to have blatantly lied.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:18 AM on 06/09/2008
- muffinman2 I'm a Fan of muffinman2 3 fans permalink

The red herring king strikes again. I am not being disingenuous. He is not a "violent criminal", as you falsely stated.

"Abrams has contributed mightily to violent crime."

I do not in my wildest dreams imagine that you have a source for yet another statement you pulled out of the air, so I will not ask for one. Feel free to volunteer though.


He broke the law and was punished. What more do you want?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:26 AM on 06/09/2008
- djkrlsn I'm a Fan of djkrlsn 23 fans permalink

Drurylane--I was wondering when you will admit that violent criminals belong in jail and not on the street is a good thing and also when are you going to start advocating effective self defense as opposed to criminal empowerment?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:22 PM on 06/08/2008
- Jadegold I'm a Fan of Jadegold 7 fans permalink

Let's see; DJ sez violent criminals belong in jail.

We've heard that tune before.

Where did Sanford Abrams wind up? On the NRA board.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:28 PM on 06/08/2008

Let's see. Jade says Sanford Abrams is now a violent criminal.

We've heard Jade's tunes before.

They all sound like they come from a tin whistle.

Come on Jade. Are inane ad hominems and red herrings really all you have?

Of course they are. What am I saying.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:23 PM on 06/08/2008
- djkrlsn I'm a Fan of djkrlsn 23 fans permalink

Stoner--please tell us what violent felonies Sanford Abrams was convicted of--it looks like a variation on the Branch Davidians and Ruby Ridge when an out of control BATF caused more problems than the victims of Clintonian excess

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:30 PM on 06/08/2008

The facts, as previously posted: Abrams was an NRA director before conviction of gun law violations. After conviction, he was pressured to resign -- which he did.

Amazing -- Jadegold keeps posting the same lie, despite it's having been exposed many times. Who does he think will still believe it? He seems to believe that it's just too good a lie to let go of

You know, Abrams' conviction was an embarrassment for the NRA. Just repeating the truth would be fun for NRA opponents. But lying anti-gunowner advocates like Jadegold, because of their need to tell easily exposed lies, ruin a story that might otherwise be useful to them.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:42 AM on 06/09/2008
- DMeadows I'm a Fan of DMeadows 6 fans permalink

Jadegold,

Violent criminals don't belong in jail?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:02 AM on 06/09/2008
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