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America in Afghanistan: Do Good Intentions Justify Our Presence?

Posted: 03/15/2012 10:34 am

The question is, since U.S. troops have recently unintentionally burned Qurans, intentionally urinated on dead Taliban Afghans, and maliciously murdered 16 Afghan citizens by solider acting out of the chain of command, are we doing ourselves more harm than good by being there? Afghanistan's president called the murder of 16 Afghans an "unforgivable" crime. What will be the repercussions of one solider to all U.S. soldiers in the country? Is it worth it to be there any longer?

American soldiers have been in Afghanistan since Oct. 7, 2001. After the summer of 2012, there are expected to be 80,000 troops in Afghanistan. The primary stated reason for remaining in Afghanistan is one whereby the U.S. believes that it will enhance its own security by enhancing the security and stability of Afghanistan. Conventional wisdom maintains that without a U.S.-led effort in the country, the country may fall under the control of the Taliban and this could provide an opportunity for Al Qaeda to revive itself.

Even with Osama Bin Laden dead, 58 percent of Americans polled think that the United States has not completed its primary mission in Afghanistan and the surrounding areas. U.S. support for a U.S. presence in Afghanistan has diminished over recent years. In 2007, 56 percent of respondents said the war was worth fighting. However, as recent as March 2012, polls show that 60 percent say the war is not worth it.

No one has a crystal ball and can say with any level of certainty what may or may not happen if the U.S. leaves or stays in Afghanistan. But educated guesses based on available evidence can be offered.

The Scenario if We Stay
If the U.S. remains in Afghanistan, it will continue to do as it has done for the past decade: to provide security to the people of that country and to help the government and security forces administer the country on its own.

If the goal is to have an independent nation, the degree to which we have been successful is debatable. Corruption is rife in Afghan politics. Moreover, if the U.S. stays with a NATO contingent, the U..S will continue to borrow money it does not have from places like China, who economically benefits from the improved security that is being paid for and provided by the U.S.

Additionally, Al Qaeda sympathizers continue to have a casus belli if the U.S. stays in a Muslim nation, especially so if the U.S. makes future blunders as it has in the past. Blunders and events outside of the chain of command are not received as not what the U.S. stands for but what the US permits and even condones.

The Scenario if We Leave
First, we must ask: What does our military presence in Afghanistan do at present? It provides training for a stable government against the Taliban; it emboldens Al Qaeda sympathizers; and it both provides good and bad examples to the Afghan people, to name a few.

The counter-factual asks: What would it look like if we left?

One involves that the Taliban may come back to power and the country would revert back to what it was in August 2001, less the presence of Al Qaeda. This may happen, but it is unlikely. While there is a somewhat split feeling of appreciation and annoyance of the presence of Western soldiers, the people prefer a more civilized, safe and free nation than what they experienced under the Taliban. Rather than a resurgent Taliban, we are more likely to see a civil war and then a return of Western support before a Taliban take over of the country.

On the other hand, if the West abandons Afghanistan as it once did, there is reason to believe that the Taliban may be able to mount an effective campaign to take back the country. For example, the Taliban receives unofficial support from the Pakistani ISI, which is more organized and capable than the fledgling Afghan security forces. Due to historic tensions between Pakistan and Afghanistan, Pakistan can benefit from an ally in Kabul.

If our concern is terrorism, the Taliban is unlikely to permit Al Qaeda to maintain a safe haven in Afghanistan after the negative outcome of 9/11. Much has been written about the tension between Al Qaeda and the Taliban in the weeks and months prior to 9/11. For Al Qaeda, a withdrawal of the U.S. may not mean much. The Taliban is unlikely to harbor what is left of Al Qaeda, but more importantly, Al Qaeda has morphed more from an organization with a head, than an idea. From this point of view, staying in Afghanistan is reason for that idea to live on; the presence of U.S. troops who either act outside of the chain of command or unintentionally is a casus belli for Al Qaeda sympathizers. A resurgence of Al Qaeda may not be as much of a concern as is often discussed.

Alternate Support Options
The U.S. cannot maintain a presence in Afghanistan indefinitely. It is costly and overtime it enables a government that must stand on its own. Other major nations may step up. Who are they and what may they do?

The EU has its own problems and it cannot afford to get involved in Afghanistan. Russia won't get involved for obvious reasons. Japan can't afford it and India will be resisted by Pakistan.

Iran would certainly like to have presence in Afghanistan, however, Iran is unlikely in a position where it can offer much assistance. Inflation is around 20 percent, unemployment over 12 percent and economic growth around 1 percent. Iran has its own problems to contend with.

Pakistan is already trying to gain a foothold in its long time antagonist. Pakistan's primary security concern is India, not the Taliban or Al Qaeda. With this in mind, Pakistan is more likely to seek undermine Afghanistan's development, if for no other reason than Afghanistan is an ally of India.

China may not be well received in Afghanistan if China acts in an imperialistic manner. China is also a country that places its own thirst for economic development ahead of human rights. However, if China's role in Afghanistan brings prosperity to the people, China may be well received. But if China's economic policies only enrich the wealthy and ruling class in Afghanistan, China may be resisted by the people if they are aware of what is going on and who to blame.

No Good Options
As with most international crises, there are no good options. First, we must ask: Is this still our war to fight? As long as we say, 'yes, this is still our war', the best option is for the U.S. to maintain a disciplined military and to watch for trouble signs such as: insensitivity towards the Muslim cultural, TBI, PTSD, and troop aggression towards the indigenous population. Considering that there are tens of thousands of U.S. soldiers in Afghanistan and incidents of dishonor are rare, and that, but for these isolated incidents, Afghans feel the U.S. presence keeps them safe from the Taliban, it is safe to say that the U.S. presence has overwhelmingly been a positive one. The challenge we now face is to keep our presence from becoming one of diminishing returns, and one where our blunders do more harm than good.

PAUL HEROUX previously lived and worked in the Middle East and was a senior analyst at the Institute for Defense and Disarment Studies. He has a masters in International Relations from the London School of Economics and a Master's from the Harvard School of Government. Paul can be reached at PaulHeroux.MPA@gmail.com.

 

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The question is, since U.S. troops have recently unintentionally burned Qurans, intentionally urinated on dead Taliban Afghans, and maliciously ...
The question is, since U.S. troops have recently unintentionally burned Qurans, intentionally urinated on dead Taliban Afghans, and maliciously ...
 
 
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piul05
Are you looking at my ears?! (Mo-om!!!)
08:34 PM on 03/15/2012
This "good intention" has a name: Trans-Afghan Pipeline.
03:50 PM on 03/15/2012
The greatest threat to world peace, especially in these times of a lone unchecked superpower, is this narrative of “American Exceptionalism,” and the notion that whatever we do should be judged by our good intentions alone (which are never questioned) rather than objectively based on our actual actions. In other words, if we do it, its not colonialism, imperialism, torture or terrorism because unlike other nations, our goals are noble.

This narrative is ingrained early in our life here in the US from elementary school onwards, and reinforced throughout our lives in the MSM. Can you imagine accepting without question the noble intentions of a German Manifest Destiny, a Japanese Monroe Doctrine or a Russian Gitmo/Global War on Terror, even in the face of overwhelming evidence to the contrary?

Anyone who deviates from this narrative in the MSM is marginalized and/or ostrascized. This narrative’s mindset blinds us as to why much of the world sees us and many of our our actions as wrongheaded and/or hypocritical. IMHO, this is the source of the blatantly naive/silly questions one hears on outlets like Faux News asking "why do they hate us?"

The courage of those in the progressive press who are willing to publicly step outside of this narrative in order to identify and stop the crimes being committed in our name is what defines a true patriot.
03:16 PM on 03/15/2012
we didn't have good intentions
02:17 PM on 03/15/2012
Our intentions were never good. George Bush lied us into Afghanistan just as sure as he lied us into Iraq. He said that they launched the 911 strikes from caves, remember? It really was about protecting the Trans Afghanistan pipeline that you MSM journalists never mention.
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piul05
Are you looking at my ears?! (Mo-om!!!)
09:48 PM on 03/15/2012
Well said.

And as it'll only operational in 2014, nothing will change until then.
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doctorkosan
PhD Chem E, HBS
01:46 PM on 03/15/2012
Our presence does no good and costs a fortune in blood and money.
Per Karzai's most recent request to leave the villages, let's do that by leaving the country.
This is the best alternative for the USA.
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rothomaha
The Truth will out
01:42 PM on 03/15/2012
For several decades we have been sending a message to the rest of the world - "Do as we say, not as we do". We are about to find out how that plays in the Peorias of Afghanistan - not very well, I fear. My guess is that anyone with a light skin, especially dressed in an Army uniform, whether Afghani or American will become a target. We'd do very well to clear out before it starts in earnest, b/c it will not stop until we are gone and Kharzai ends up underground.
01:33 PM on 03/15/2012
Our mission in Afghanistan is over: Bin Laden is dead. When a country is in the middle of a civil war, it is best to stay out of it. The silent majority in Afghanistan has to come out of the closet and be transparent about the type of country they wish to have...whichever faction wins, we should be ready to welcome them into the World community of nations.
12:40 PM on 03/15/2012
The report cited for "the Afghans feel the U.S presence keeps them safe fom the Taliban" is three years old and has no source. (I wonder how many Taliban were interviewed for this study. After all, the Taliban are Afghans too.) Things have changed in three years. A comprehensive study would now show the majority of all Afghans now want the US presence to end. Even Karsi, who has the most to lose, has now asked the US to get out.
It is time to recognise that US cannot control the outcome in Afghanistan. The Mission to establish a stable democratic government has failed. The US persence has become counter-productive. The US should withdraw as quickly as safty will allow.
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Bladesmith
Hammering out some red hot truth.
12:36 PM on 03/15/2012
We offer humanitarian aid if they want it, and only humanitarian aid. We apologize profusely, and get the hell out.

And we advise them that any terrorist training camps we discover, hear of, or are even hinted at will be wiped off the map instantly.
12:29 PM on 03/15/2012
What 'good intentions'? What is good about invading, occupying, terrorizing and turning a person's country into a war zone? What is good about murdering civilians with drone bombing? Tell me, I'm dying to hear it. I guess by this theory if the Chinese invaded us to force their way of life on us to 'civilize' us you'd be all for it. Hitler was trying to civilize Europe. Same thing. What were we trying to accomplish? What does war accomplish? Death, murder, destruction, chaos, profits for arms manufacturers and jobs for the military. Freedom? Never. Democracy? Never.
jhNY
Mercy.
12:27 PM on 03/15/2012
Our true intentions, which are known by few and admitted by fewer, are not equivalent to our stated intentions, which after all, merely what those who know say to those who are willing to listen. Otherwise, it is impossible to explain the cost or training and training and training and training of troops and policemen who are never qualified or capable of doing the jobs they've been trained to perform, for which more training is scheduled. Nor is it otherwise possible to explain the cost of our military presence in Afghanistan--$850,000 per year PER SOLDIER.

The most politically-wired corporations in all the land have made billions in profit over there, and will do so so long as they are able. Every day, in every way possible. And their beneficiaries and cat's paws in politics and government as well as a military establishment that never has to admit failure so long as the troops can stay to succeed sometime in the ever-distant future work to make certain that we leave not a moment earlier than we must, for reasons most of us will never be told, as they fly in the face of our good intentions.
SaveRMiddle
An ExConsumer by choice
01:35 PM on 03/15/2012
Spot on. A little research time within Military-Industrial Complex clears it all up very quickly.

This is about money. We have interrupted a culture we won't change. We should be screaming.
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getpeace
Get Courage, Have Fun...
12:25 PM on 03/15/2012
Ultimately, we need to have the courage to do the right thing.
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dancingstu
Christian, liberal lawyer
04:32 PM on 03/15/2012
Actually, I think that ultimately we need to give our politicians the incentive to do the right thing. Nobody from the President on down in Washington cares about courage when they're hundreds of miles from the battle.
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mjclear
12:17 PM on 03/15/2012
I cannot agree that our intentions in Afghanistan are "good", and they certainly do not justify our presence there.

If we as a nation were primarily driven by idealism, we would have intervened in the Syrian massacre by this point. Instead, we are politically motivated to protect what we label "our National interests", a vague and essentially meaningless term invented by a small elite of power brokers who deem themselves knowledgeable enough about world affairs to decide what is good for us and what is not in the world.

Perhaps the single most disturbing trait of America since WW2 has been this tendency to try to micromanage the political milieu of other nations in order to advance our own self interest. This tendency has led to countless deaths, unimaginable misery, and the loss our our soul.

Think about those 16 dead Afghans ( 9 small children included) tonite when you sit in your reclliner, watch your "Biggest Loser" and live your American Dream replete with those atrocious gas prices and those horrible taxes.
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12:10 PM on 03/15/2012
The attack on the Trade center was designed to get us to retaliate by invading Afghanistan - and we foolishly obliged. Now - a trillion dollars and thousands of American and Afghan lives later - we have accomplished nothing. Our economy is in a shambles and our military - once the greatest in the world - has been worn down and depleted.

Somewhere from the bottom of the Arabian Sea, Osama is smiling.
SaveRMiddle
An ExConsumer by choice
01:39 PM on 03/15/2012
True. This was OBL's plan all along. It worked beautifully altho we gave him even more....our self-inflicted economical destruction within.
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dancingstu
Christian, liberal lawyer
04:33 PM on 03/15/2012
Exactly. In the "War on Terror", it looks like "terror" won by a landslide.
11:57 AM on 03/15/2012
The war in Afghanistan was a mistake to begin with. The only possibly justifiable and feasible military operation in Afghanistan in the aftermath of 9/11 might have been a search and destroy mission for Osama bin Laden. Instead, the US pursued regime change, resulting in an illegitimate government propped up by US force of arms.

No good can or will come of this. The best choice amongst all bad options is to leave.

The biggest moral problem is the responsibility to those now-Westernized Afghanis who, in good faith, have cooperated with the US occupiers and embraced Western ways. These people are at tremendous risk once the US leaves. Sympathizers of the foreign occupation forces are always treated brutally by the populace when the foreign invaders finally leave. Morally, the US is obligated to these people and should grant political asylum to them. Politically that may be impossible, but there is a moral imperative that should not be ignored.