Giuliani Hoax Coming to a Crashing End

Posted November 29, 2007 | 06:02 PM (EST)



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New Yorkers are watching with great relief as the rest of America catches on to the malevolent hoax that is Rudy Giuliani and his poll numbers crash among those unfortunate enough to get to know him (i.e. Republican voters in Iowa, New Hampshire and South Carolina).

In all three states, Giuliani's numbers are now far closer to Ron Paul's than to Mitt Romney's. In Iowa, he will be lucky if he finishes third (and owe it all to Fred Thompson's risible performance). In New Hampshire, which should have been his best bet, he's in a fierce contest for second place with rising star John McCain. And in South Carolina, the most recent poll shows him in fifth place, statistically tied with Paul.

When in August the Giuliani campaign accidentally released an internal presentation proclaiming Florida to be his "firewall," it seemed oddly pessimistic. Yes, he was dropping, but he was still second in Iowa where he had barely campaigned; he was tied for first in New Hampshire and unexpectedly leading Thompson in South Carolina. Pretty much everywhere else, he was way ahead.

By October, the campaign's "firewall" memo seemed prescient. Now, it all looks wildly optimistic: even in Florida, Huckabee is starting to work his Mormon-hating voodoo, and the vaunted New York retirees who were going to vote for Giuliani in droves seem less important (how many are there anyway, and do they really vote in the GOP primary?).

At the time of the memo, a Giuliani aide was quoted as saying that "New Jersey's the firewall, Connecticut's the firewall, New York's the firewall." Yes, we'll give Giuliani that: Republican voters in the tri-state area (for that's what it is) are likely to vote for him rather than for the other crazies but, by my count, those states account for about 8 percent of the Republican delegates. This is roughly the same as Georgia, Tennessee and Alabama, which vote the same day (February 5) and which an equally desperate Thompson is basically counting on as his own firewall, recently boasting that he has more endorsements in Georgia than all other GOP candidates combined.

What is perhaps most striking is that it appears that Giuliani's fairly liberal position on a number of social issues is not necessarily what is killing the deal for GOP voters. As recently as mid-October a CBS News poll showed Giuliani tied for first place among white evangelical voters, who surely by then had more than an inkling that the New York City mayor was not a fire-breathing Christian conservative.

No, what is making Republican voters recoil is the aura of sleaze and corruption that surrounds Giuliani. I would bet that more primary voters knew that he was "pro-gay" (at least in their minds) than knew that he pushed strong and hard for one of New York's most corrupt police chiefs (now that is saying something) to become head of homeland security. And I would most definitely bet that more voters knew he was in favor of legalized abortion than that he was on his third marriage, having wed the woman who was his mistress while he was mayor (after announcing to his then-wife on local television that he was divorcing her).

The damage is compounded by the fact that the mayor is completely unlikable (this is someone whom even New Yorkers found too abrasive, or at least "not likable;" why did anyone think he would play well in Iowa or South Carolina?). Bill Clinton or Ronald Reagan's charisma could make voters forgive and forget some pretty dreadful personal shortcomings, but it's unlikely that Giuliani, the original Darth Vader, could rely on his charm alone to absolve him of littering, let alone of his actual serious crimes.

Just as bad is Giuliani's mad grandiloquence perhaps a necessary quality when running for president, but one that candidates need to be sure remains deeply hidden. At the very least, they should wait until after they are elected to believe their own hype and, in the case of Giuliani, be gently reminded that on September 5, 2001, only 39 percent of New Yorkers had a favorable opinion of their mayor, not exactly the stuff on which successful presidential campaigns are built.

These off-putting reports about Giuliani's recent past are ripening despite the mainstream media's inability to cover him objectively, even though journalists should know they can no longer fear backlash for tarnishing the idol of 9/11. Thankfully, though, those voters who are paying attention (and that would be most of them in the earliest states) are turning away in disgust, or at least in embarrassment. And unless something next to impossible happens, Giuliani's presidential ambitions will evaporate once and for all, even though, of course, he'll always have New Jersey.

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- rkoenn See Profile I'm a Fan of rkoenn

Giuliani could give all his press interviews and debates done real quick. Just let him make a introductory statement and they would be done with him. "Be afraid! I know the terrorists are out to destroy us, they have an army of jihadists waiting in boats to invade our country. I am the only one who knows how to deal with them so you absolutely need to vote for me! BE AFRAID UNLESS YOU VOTE FOR ME! That is all I have to say." This guy is a total jerk, there are so many more pressing issues in this country but that is his platform.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:57 AM on 11/30/2007
- 3fingerbrown See Profile I'm a Fan of 3fingerbrown

From this morning's NY Daily News:
"The uproar grew Thursday over expenses for Rudy Giuliani's protection during his trysts with Judith Nathan as his campaign's initial defense - that its accounting methods were the same as previous mayors' - unraveled.
"Joe Lhota, a deputy mayor in Giuliani's City Hall, told the Daily News Wednesday night that the administration's practice of allocating security expenses to small city offices that had nothing to do with mayoral protection has "gone on for years" and "predates Giuliani."
"When told budget officials from the administrations of Ed Koch and David Dinkins said they did no such thing, Lhota caved Thursday, "I'm going to reverse myself on that. I'm just going to talk about the Giuliani era," Lhota said. "I should only talk about what I know about." "

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:14 AM on 11/30/2007
- LeftRight See Profile I'm a Fan of LeftRight

but, but, but.... 9/11! 9/11! 9/11!!!!!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:23 AM on 11/30/2007
- SteveWeisert See Profile I'm a Fan of SteveWeisert

One big thing is that Rudy claims to be a terrorism expert - by having 19 nutcases fly airplanes into buildings in the city for which he was mayor ? If he had discovered this plot and STOPPED it, THEN he would be a terrorism expert ! As it was, he was just as surprised by the attack as the rest of us.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:36 AM on 11/30/2007
- Spookcatcher See Profile I'm a Fan of Spookcatcher

If the 9/11 Commission, with every member having a coincidental tie to Iran/Contra Reagan-Bush Affair (treason) and like the Warren Commission before them, had been convened to truly uncovered the events, instead of making sure they were covered up and carted away or destroyed, they would have put an end to Rudy Guirliani about 1 hour after they began looking into the facts of evidence. His hype should have ended at about 5:00 p.m. 09/12/01!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:00 AM on 11/30/2007
- dsbsh See Profile I'm a Fan of dsbsh

Giuliani is the Republicans' John Kerry: the guy they think can beat the other party's front-runner. Kerry was the wrong choice, but even he had a better chance against Bush thatn Rudy will against Hillary. Next to winning the nomination, the best thing that could happen to Hillary is getting to run against Giuliani.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:49 AM on 11/30/2007
- anotherplayaguy See Profile I'm a Fan of anotherplayaguy

Guiliani the "original Darth Vader?"

Nah. Cheney's older and Darthier. Bush Sr. doubly so.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:45 PM on 11/29/2007
- LadyXoc See Profile I'm a Fan of LadyXoc

He'll always have New Jersey?
No way - we know him far too well. We may be the garden state, but we're not turnips.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:44 PM on 11/29/2007
- lisakaz See Profile I'm a Fan of lisakaz

He couldn't drop like a rock quicker for me. He's a philadering cretin.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:09 PM on 11/29/2007
- RumiSouth See Profile I'm a Fan of RumiSouth

Giuliani peaks early, or so I'm told.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:07 PM on 11/29/2007
- Kundera See Profile I'm a Fan of Kundera

I guess you're all the same people who believed there would be a President Dean and Dukakis.....

You've all been doubting Rudy from the beginning.
Once again, you'll all be eating crow.

The smearing just makes him stronger.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:13 PM on 11/29/2007
- Thorn See Profile I'm a Fan of Thorn

By your measure, Hillary Clinton's hoax came to a crashing end about a year ago. Did that happen?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:06 PM on 11/29/2007
- BufoAmericanus See Profile I'm a Fan of BufoAmericanus

This was supposed to happen AFTER they nominated him.

Once the Conservatives admitted that they were the consumate "Moral Relativists" and didn't REALLY care about social issues. And they KNEW global warming was real, but, like... Not THAT real... Dude.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:03 PM on 11/29/2007
- bigfated See Profile I'm a Fan of bigfated

Rudy is just a cheap knockoff of the current "Asshole-in Chief". We've had quite enough of these kind of moronic imbeciles, liars, thieves and grifters. Good Bye Rudy! Good Riddance. You had a shot....but with your stinking past and crooked friends....you shouldn't be at all surprised. Go back to your "secret" clients....and your endless bragging. You have assaulted my delicate gag-reflex!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:51 PM on 11/29/2007
- cynara See Profile I'm a Fan of cynara

Part of me almost hopes Guliani is the Republican candidate in the general election, since I consider him the least electable of all the Republican candidates in a general election.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:48 PM on 11/29/2007
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