Earlier this week, Hillary Clinton was back in Michigan, a full two months after its "primary," pleading with the state legislature to allow a revote in the state. As she stood in downtown Detroit, it was becoming increasingly clear that there would be no do-over and she looked for the first time as if she realized she had lost, in that typically defiant "I'll-drag-you-all-down-with-me" Clinton way. After all, she had staked whatever little she had left on a revote in a state in which fully 40% of the Democratic voters showed up on a cold January day to vote Uncommitted (ie, anyone but Clinton, the only name on the ballot), in which the most recent public polling shows her in a dead heat with Barack Obama, and where she had firmly backed the "disenfranchisement" she was now decrying. And even this slender straw of a revote was denied her: the extent of the despair is plain.

Clinton will not be the Democratic nominee because she will not be able to erase Obama's delegate lead. And she will not be able to gain enough delegates because Democratic primary voters nationwide have decided that they prefer Obama as their candidate in the general election. It isn't more complicated than that, despite the Clintons' grotesque attempts at changing the rules, masking the truth and comfortably living up to their reputation for lacking trustworthiness.

Even in the worst week of his campaign, Obama has actually increased his lead over Clinton in national polls, according to Real Clear Politics, the standard in the matter. There are states in which the Clintons' relentless baiting of race, gender and, now, patriotism has taken its toll, at least in the short term: Ohio and Missouri, for instance, are less likely to vote for Obama now than they were a couple of weeks ago. It won't be clear until November if this is a short-term effect, or a more in depth problem; either way, that is the Clintons' legacy, once again: making it harder for Democrats other than themselves to gain power, whether in the Congress in the 1990s, or in this year's presidential election. There are other states in which Clinton's assault has made no difference whatsoever, or even hurt her more than him: in California and in New York, for instance, where in the latter Obama now leads McCain by a larger margin than she does (despite the fact she is a Senator from the state).

Since February 5, 62 superdelegates have endorsed Obama, and only a handful have endorsed Clinton (more have switched to him than have newly endorsed her): it's safe to say that superdelegates are not the path to victory for Clinton, despite her campaign's best efforts to spook them with the specter of GOP religious and racial warfare against Obama in November.

Despite a core group of financial backers who stepped in to try to buy a Michigan revote, Clinton cannot be rolling in cash right now and she is weeks away from her likely next victory, in Pennsylvania, the only event that could prompt any significant money bump. Any day now, she may have to reach into her family's deepening pockets, probably right around the time when they are set to release their presumably cloudy tax returns. It all feels very moot.

In retrospect, it is amazing that New Hampshire, which Clinton won by one of the narrowest margins of any state in this year's primaries, was the highlight of her campaign. Certainly it was an improvement on her dismal third place in Iowa, but after Jan 8, it was downhill, with a trouncing in South Carolina and the 21 other states that Obama won by 20+% margins. That she has been able to stay in the race at all is a testament to the power of the Clinton name, the Democratic Party's ludicrous electoral system, and her hold over a petrified media and the party's bureaucratic elite.

Bill Richardson's endorsement of Obama this week was more than another blow, as he ignored his history with the Clintons, as well as reminders of past favors owed. How long before John Edwards, Al Gore, et al, follow suit, or risk being blamed for the further disintegration of the party they owe so much to? Nancy Pelosi has all but thrown her lot in with Obama, but a formal endorsement would be appropriate at this time.

Not being a politician, let alone a Clinton, it's hard to see what makes her stay in the race at this point. She appears somewhat less willing than her husband to alienate entire segments of the party, including many of the Congressional colleagues whose collegiality and support she will need soon enough. Perhaps like Bill, though, she has something to prove to her spouse: he needs to show he cares, and she needs to show that she can win. But shouldn't that be something for them to work out alone, without the future of the Democratic Party, of the U.S. government, and of the country itself at stake?


 
 

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Something I'm shaking my head about is that in the Texas debate, Hillary Clinton gushed about how "honored" she was to be up there with Barack Obama, and how "no matter what happens, we'll be OK". She seemed to be conceding that she was not going to win, and wanted to go out on a high note. Then two days later, she's out with guns blazing:"Shame on you, Barack Obama!" And thus began the kitchen sink strategy, the 3 am phone call commercial. It's hard to make sense of such behavior, but I also think she's being given lousy advice by the people around her.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:43 PM on 03/23/2008

A superb analysis of the situation, simple and direct, for anyone who can remove emotion from the Obama vs. Clinton wars.

The only logical conclusion to draw at this point is that Hillary is positioning herself for 2012, at the expense of 4 more years of republican corruption and incompetence. Of course, by then, there won't be a country worth governing.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:48 PM on 03/23/2008

I hope a number of us, including the author of this article, deluge DNC headquarters with the message that it's time to put the Billary campaign out of its misery. If enough superdelegates line up with Mr. Richardson, that'll be the end -- thank God! -- and Mr. Obama will be freed to do what he can obviously do far better than Mrs. Clinton: run full time against Mr. McCain. Nothing but deepening ugliness lies ahead for the Democrats if they allow this farce to continue. I speak as a Pennsylvanian. Our primary is quite far off, and all we'll see is increased ugliness if we allow this nonsense to continue. The sooner her campaign ends, the better for the Democrats and the country.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:17 PM on 03/23/2008

She's not giving this up, not until she has to. Unfortunately her hubris and incapacity to believe she is being run so close, so late in the game will never cause her to look at the bigger picture. It is clear her campaign thought this would be wrapped up with a pretty bow on Super Tuesday and when it wasn't she's been playing catch-up ever since and eating large helpings of crow along the way. Witness the supplication to count the FL and MI delegates, something she didn't fight for before, airily confident that they would not make a difference when she was running as "the anointed one".
If this was the Republican party the GOP grandees woud have had a word in her ear and she would have given it up for the benefit of the party, but this one is a Clinton first and a Democrat second. Let's hope she doesn't make Obama come second too with this pig-headedness. Give it up.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:51 PM on 03/23/2008

Bill and Hillary Clinton are "Destructacons", dedicated to bringing Obama down.
Then, sometime in the future they can say, we told you so.
Clearing the road for the 2012.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:15 PM on 03/23/2008

This is an outstanding and very thorough political analysis of our current situation. I would be very interested in hearing any Clinton supporter address the specifics outlined here. How can HRC possibly win, other than by completely fracturing the party by trying to get Superdelegates to overturn the results of the primary elections? ...and as this analysis shows, HRC has been OVERWHELMINGLY losing the Superdelegates since Super Tuesday. ...and the biggest and most influential Superdelegates (like Richardson) are all leaning toward Obama!

Where, HRC supporters, is her path to victory, other than by embracing a quixotic Democratic Party suicide pact? ...and as this analysis so clearly shows, the only path left (Superdelegates) is itself destined to end in failure.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:01 PM on 03/23/2008

I think its time for Hillary to concede.

She threw the kitchen sink at him but Obama was still standing after it hit. It was a testament to Obama's character that he not only withstood the on-slaught but embraced the very issue that was used against him as a tactical advantage over Hillary.

I believe it was then perhaps Hillary realized, there is something special about Obama and she will not win against him, not this election. For now, the choices are: 1) go down fighting and continue the scortched earth policy or 2) concede on a high note and come back for another fight in 2012. One has the option of DNC winning in November, which preserves HRC's chances in 2012 and the other leads to a GOP sweep for which Hillary will be forever blamed (and rightfully so).

How the campaigns conduct themselves in PA will see which option Hillary takes. For now, it looks like an ashes to ashes moment but who knows? Hillary could surprise us all and step down after winning in PA (but under concession that she will not have enough votes/delegates to take the nomination without destroying the party). That would be a very high note.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:22 AM on 03/23/2008

The Clintons would never understand your post because it's based on reality. Thank you.
If Hillary is as patriotic as Bill says she is, she would drop out immediately and let the Democratic party mend. Not only are the Clintons' scorched-earth tactics damaging to the Democratic party, they are divisive to the country.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:39 AM on 03/23/2008

If you silence Illinois voters Hillary has the popular vote, Good thing for Obama it was FL and MI and not Illinois and too bad for the voters in FL and MI , I wonder what it feels like to get your right to vote taken away from you.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:44 AM on 03/23/2008

MI and FL voters should definitely take issue with their local politicians who put them in that position by breaking the party rules that they had already agreed to, but since no one but Hillary did any campaigning in either of those states, and Obama and Edwards weren't even on the ballot in FL (you people never seem to mind this small detail,) I think it's obsurd to assume that she would have had anything near the lead in those two states if anyone had campaigned there that she managed to win by running uncontested. Even being the only big name on the ballot in FL, she only won a little more than half the popular vote. That's not a good sign when you almost lose to "undecided." I would love to see a fair primary occur in both of those states, but sometimes you have to lie in the hole that you dig for yourself, and that seems to be the case for those two states on this issue.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:32 PM on 03/23/2008

Silence Illinois voters? What in the world are you talking about???

....and if you correspondingly "silence New York voters," then Obama's lead swells to 800,000 votes. Feel better now?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:05 PM on 03/23/2008

No idea. I do know, however, that if FL and MI had followed the rules that they agreed on, along with all the other states, we wouldn't have this mess now. Don't you think they should be held responsible for breaking the rules?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:02 AM on 03/23/2008

It was never taken away from me in Florida ... I knew that our vote would not count ... and it is a shame not for the reasons you think but because of Amendment One in Florida

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:21 AM on 03/23/2008

Please. See the movie, "Definitely, Maybe." The subtext of the movie is that the main character, played by Ryan Reynolds, is working to get Bill Clinton elected President in 1992. Ryan's character moves from the University of Wisconsin in Madison to New York to be on Clinton's staff at the beginning of the movie.

There, he witnesses all his hopes for a Clinton Presidency jeopardized by the Gennifer Flowers mess. Later, after Bill Clinton is elected, he watches the coverage of the Monica Lewinsky mess, Paula Jones, Whitewater, etc. ~ and is shocked, disgusted and disillusioned.

I encourage you to see this. It gives a gut-level reminder of events as they were happening in the "Clinton White House" days and how frustrating it was to witness Clinton's hubris and deceit. Being confronted with those years of duplicity while sitting in the dark of a theater offers time to reflect on how no one stands in the way of Clintons who want what they deem is rightfully theirs.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:04 PM on 03/22/2008

I've been wondering what historians and psychologists will write about HC's campaign when enough time and distance has been reached. I begrudgingly voted for WJC twice, but what I've seen during HC's campaign has been distressing. Whatever the Clintons are attempting to prove to each other on the public stage has been an incredible display of selfishness and lack of character and one I wish they'd take behind their own closed doors to finish out. If I never saw either of them in public again, it would be fine with me.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:21 PM on 03/22/2008

Paul Jenkins,

Your article is spot-on!! The facts and numbers you present iare exactly what should be presented to every American, through the mainstream media. (I know, I am laughing, too.) But seriously, "HILLARY CAN'T WIN" should be on the front pages.

Her campaign is broke. Obama's is in the black. She can't win the delegates. She isn't getting a re-do in Florida or Michigan. The facts go on and on and on. Yet we don't "feel" this in the media. People still think she has a chance, when in fact SHE DOES NOT. At some point, what politicians normally do is read the writing on the wall and CONCEDE.

If Obama had Hillary's abysmal numbers and was financing his own campaign with his own money and ALL projections showed that he couldn't get enough delegates AND he refused to concede, can you imagine the outcry from Hillary? The media? They would call him a dangerous man bent on destroying the party, the country. They would call him irrational. He would NOT get away with staying in the race just for personal gain.

I think race plays a role in this, also. Hillary is able to stay in for many reasons, many not having to do with race (ie control of the media, friends in high places etc). But her skin color allows her to be given a pass more easily. If she were a black man or woman in the position she is now in, she wouldn't get such a pass, in my opinion at least.

And, on another note, if Florida and Michigan aren't going to come into play then why isn't the threshhold for securing the nomination being lowered?? There delegates should be subtracted from the total. Anyone reading this that has access to those who pull strings, could you please pursue this question? Thanks!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:54 PM on 03/22/2008

justShareandbeNice, I agree with much of your message, but disagree with you on one point: I don't think race has played the role you suppose it has in Hallary's ability to "stay in" this race. I think Hillary is still in it because she was for so long the presumptive nominee, and she and her supporters can't believe or accept that it has slipped away from them. Sometimes it takes a while for the truth to sink in.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:44 PM on 03/22/2008

It will never "sink in", in the sense of acceptance... Instead, it will result in a backlash of hysterical and destructive rage. Watch for it. As the columnist said, she'll take everything she can down with her.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:45 AM on 03/23/2008

What a great post! the last sentence gave me more than a chuckle!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:45 PM on 03/22/2008

So she didn't succeed in getting revotes in FL & MI. Isn't she now trying to convince the DNC to seat the delegates based on the results of the original votes? I hope you're right, that she finally realizes she can't win. But she still seems determined to fight for every single vote, and drag us all into the mud with her. She has become the most divisive candidate I can remember - saying it would be "unAmerican" to live by an agreement that she herself made just a few months ago (to not seat FL & MI, and not count their votes).

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:01 PM on 03/22/2008

As a person who has had the opportunity to vote (and did) in every election starting in 1968, I have to compliment, particularly the younger set, for not only the interest, but the vigor in this interest in the current election process.

Unfortunately, 2008 is going to be a truly embarassing event for the DNC if all the facts about the 'true nature' of the process is given even medicore attention in the 'corporate biased media'.

In 1967, I choose to take a discharge from a military service that I truly loved. After serving 2 short periods in the combat zone in Viet Nam, I simply could not accept how 'Washington DC was runnig the war. Coming home, I promptly discovered that I was not alone in my objection to this war. But there was more to it than mere objection to the war. We had a 'draft system' that in many areas of the nation was corrupt to the core. We had then, 2 political parties that decided in some 'smoke-filled back room' who was to be the next candidate. The ecomomy had not yet recovered from the effects of the Korean conflict fiasco, and the inner-city minorities were very much still disadvantaged. By 1969 we were having riots in cities never thought possible for this to happen. As I see it, history is repeating, and the United States is ripe in every aspect for another real rough period.

Then President LB Johnson, signed into law, equal opportunity and anti-discrimination legislation. The 2 major political parties made major changes which were supposed to provide transparency. Ironically, the DNC, in spite of the rhetoric, created a system we are currently familiar with. The fact is that they had no intention of letting the voting public choose the candidates. Their 'creative system' sets the schedule for primaries and caucas's based on past voting trends. This allows the DNC hierarchy to control who will be the candidate in the lead at the convention. But, just in case we 'did not do it correctly', in reserve, they had 'SUPER-Delegates' that could correct our error.

This election process was no exception. Unfortunately, the DNC, Mr Dean, and the DNC hierarchy didn't tell Hillary that she was not their first choice this year. Perhaps, because of Bill, and that some feel that Bill Clinton may be 'excess baggage'; but I suspect, that because of the war in Iraq, the costs to our economy, il-thought out free trade agreements, and economy in the dumper, and a housing crisis looming, it was time for a new face. And they had a new face. Barack Obama, new to the national political scene, capable of an excellent presentation of a 'prepared speech' looked like the greatest thing siince sliced bread.

Yes, I've read comments about conspiracies, and some of them are "wild", but the 'DNC process', simply put, stinks of conspiracy and too many things cannot happen as a coincidence as in this election cycle. This election campaign is really starting to show the true colors of how 'corrupt' our system really is and the 'conspiracy theory' gains more credence all the time.

So why was there "unauthorized access" to the State Department's records for the candidates passport records.

1. The first question I have is, "why didn't the system prevent the unauthorized access in the first place?"
2. In light of the 1992 access of Bill Clinton's passort records, and if Hillary's records were accessed mid 2007, and McCain's records were also violated earlier this year, "why wasn't security increased before the access of Barack Obama's records?"
3. "Why was there no public admission of the access to the passport records of McCain and Hillary until after the access to Obama's records. This looks as a setup to make Hillary look like a demon.
4. "Why are all the violations attributed to a 'trainee', or to 'temporary contractors'?"
5. "Why was one of the 'temp contractors' only given a "warning", when the others were fired? Did that 'one' threaten to "blow the whistle" as to why this happpened?

At first glance, one can only be inclined to believe that there might be something to the 'conspiracy theory', and that the Republican party is behind it. A '527 group' supportive of the Republicans was used by the Republicans and a members of that group were hired with instructions as to what files to access. I would ask all to reserve judgement, because one could also make (or create) cases against either Hillary, or Barack.

McCain's files were accessed to make the whole thing look like 'just curiosity', and the others were accessed to see if there was anything there to use in the campaign for November. But more than that, had they been able to conceal the access to Hillary Clinton's passport records, it would have served to discredit Hillary, and to give Obama, whom they believe easier to defeat some support by taking the heat of Obama for the 'racial issues' currently in the news. And Obama believes (or he has stated) that "he believes that John McCain is running an honorable campaign." As John McCain would say, "MY FRIENDS, let me tell you", but what he wouldn't tell you is that the 527's were created exactly for that purpose. The 527's are not bound by any rules. They can spend how much ever they can get their hands on. But more importantly, they can do all the "dirty-work" so the candidates can look squeeky clean. (remember 'swift-boating')

But then the DNC has their own 'cross to bear' that has come to the forefront with the Michigan and Florida disenfranchisement of those voters. Federal election regulations place the scheduling of the 'state primaries' with the state legislatures. While the DNC may "govern" the activities of the party, and the 'state's democratic parties', by what legal authority can they dictate to the states when they may hold a primary election. I believe that Federal legislation delegates this duty to the States, and that the State legislatures did in fact perform that duty.

There can be little doubt that the DNC has stood so firm on their position about the scheduling because they have studied the past voting characteristics, and have set the schedule to control who will become the party's candidate.

Looking farther ahead, there is more to indicate such a conspiracy. Consider the dates of the DNC convention of August 25 to 28, 2008. So why is this so important and what does it have to do with who is the party's nominee?

With the news of Govermor Richardson's support of Obama, if we were listening, when Obama accepted Bill Richardson's support, we noticed the reference to Dr Martin Luther King was invoked, again, adding additional credence to the 'conspiracy theory'.

The DNC 'hierarchy' had decided that Barack Obama was going to be their nominee; and on August 28; on the anniversary of Dr. Martin Luther King Jr.'s (whose real given name was actually Michael Luther King Jr.) "I Have A Dream" speech during 'The March on Washington' on August 28, 1963; Obama, also a black man, was going to be able to inspire us with another "I have a dream" speech.

What people do not realize is that Dr. King's speech, that the portion that made the "I Have A Dream speech"; what it was; was actually an improvised, off-the-cuff addition to fill allotted time, and was truly an expression of Dr King's personal feelings.

On the other hand, and unlike Dr. King's speech, Obama's speech will be a prepared speech, just as was Barack Obama's speech at the last DNC convention. This is not to short Obama credit, because he does an excellent job of presenting prepared speeches, but be aware, no matter what a 'biased corporate media' says the speeches are not, nor will they be truly comparable to Dr. Martin Luther King Jr's speech .

I can see reluctance on the part of 'corporate biased media' to ask some hard questions here, but not to do so simply indicates they are not doing their jobs as reporters. Therefore it is up to each of us to do our part to 'push' the media into doing their jobs properly as they should have in school where each and every article includes the 5 'W's" (who, what, when, where, why) and the "H" (how); and to do so inflicting as little as possible of their own personal biases.

Thank ALL of you for your interest in the election process.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:58 PM on 03/22/2008

CJ, I must disagree with you on several points. Obama was not the darling of the Democratic party at the outset of this election cycle; Hillary was. In fact, I supported her at that time. The rules set in place by the Democratic party several decades ago were not put there to nominate Obama in 2008. The truth is that Obama simply outcampaigned Hillary. There was no conspiracy to nominate Obama. Hillary's strategy was to win on Super Tuesday and receive her coronation. Obama had an organization in place in states following Super Tuesday and offered a message that energized younger voters and appealed to those with enough intelligence to see the difference between Hillary's tactics and Obama's message. Obama analyzed the rules of the game and played the winning strategy. And he did it in a positive, honorable way. That's the type of leader I want and believe this country needs.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:39 PM on 03/22/2008

Elliot - I have to correct YOU. Hillary was NOT the "darling" of the democratic party. She was the darling of the neocon party. They were the ones who constantly talked about her being the nominee, almost since Bush took office - years before she ever announced. That was a hopeful part of their strategy, because they know that they would never run out of things to stick on her if she were the nominee. Obama was a bit of a darling, because he made such a huge splash with his speech.

The only thing that really puzzles me, is why the democrats, instead of being informed, decided to accept this assumption of Hillary doing well, that is until Obama became active. And why, oh why, can her supporters never admit her faults, even when she is caught red handed. No candidate is perfect, but instead of EVER admitting that she may have done wrong, instead they always turn it into something about Obama, as if a tit-for-tat is the only way to respond to a hard cold fact. If she lies, it's ok, because after all, someone else lied.

I think the Hillary supporters have been quite bamboozled - not to insult anyone, but if all you follow is the MSM, it is easy to have your head altered.

I hope Hillary supporters wake up soon. She really is doing too much harm at this point.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:10 AM on 03/23/2008

Hello CJ. Remember Dan Rather actually questioning Dick Nixon? Remember when journalism was a higher calling? Walter Cronkhite and Huntley-Brinkley? The news divisions were not supposed to turn a profit. Remember Bernstein and Woodward before they were hacks. Ahh, the good old days. Peace.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:50 PM on 03/22/2008

If I were Senator Obama, after what the Clintons have said about him, I would not let them campaign for me in the general election. Send out Al Gore, John Edwards, Gov. Richardson, the lady governors from Kansas, Arizona and Washington state, but not the Clintons. Also use Gov. Deval Patrick of MA, but no Clintons.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:54 PM on 03/22/2008

I don't think the Clintons will be eagerly campaigning for Obama. They don't display a generosity of spirit and, besides, what good would they be after all the negative attacks they would have to explain away somehow and the racist comments that would negate them with African American voters. They would be useless to Obama, in any case. Best if they just slink back off to the 20th century and let the future happen.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:38 PM on 03/22/2008

As Bill Clinton says about the 2000 race, if he had been cleared to campaign for Gore in Arkansas, it might have made a difference. Perhaps if the two of them do their best for Obama in Arkansas, for the good of the party and the direction of the Supreme Court, they will be remembered fondly.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:05 PM on 03/23/2008

Sucinct and to the point. When WILL the lady sing?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:40 PM on 03/22/2008

Will someone answer this scenario? Clinton does back down, and doesn't go all out for Obama's election, because like Al Gore, Obama won't seek Bill and Hillary's support. The Obama machine arrogantly will think they can do it on their own. Republican slime machine begins full throttle scaring enough of the white population over fifty. Obama will spend months over-explaining his patriotism, unconvincingly, with media help against him (They love McCain so much). The media won't cover economic woes because it will reflect poorly on their own corporate interests. Bush uses more Rovian tactics during the summer to enhance McCain's viability. The Denver convention (coronation) will seem united but cannot come out with a platform that makes sense to the average Joe, because it is run by the African American minority and the rich liberal elitists. Youth voters seeing all this slime again are disenchanted and don't vote in enough numbers. White women won't trust a man to come up with solutions for their problems and stay home. McCain squeaks by a victory. 4 years of more Bush, Obama, like Edwards leaves the Senate.

If I have to listen to all the negative attitudes about HRC shouldn't the Obamaddicts face some tough questions as well?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:16 PM on 03/22/2008

Many of your hypotheticals, such as,
"Youth voters seeing all this slime again are disenchanted and don't vote in enough numbers.
White women won't trust a man to come up with solutions for their problems and stay home,"
are gross overgeneralizations with no supporting evidence whatsoever, so I don't really see the point of debating such a lengthy, complicated string of "what if's" that there is no real reason to suspect will come to pass. This country has never had so many people participating in a primary election, and Hillary didn't bring these people out - Obama did. I don't think there is any reason to suspect that he's going to fall apart in the general election judging by the way he's handled himself so far. Republicans haven't had a nominee that they have been this unenthusiastic about since I've been alive. Democrats haven't had a candidate that has caused so much excitement within the same time frame as well. Ad on the Iraq fatigue that we all feel on both sides of the isle, and Bush's 29% approval rating, not to mention the shift in political tide already signaled by the mid-term gains for the Dems, and I think that once the general election starts and Obama can focus on addressing McCain exclusively things are going to shift his way pretty quickly.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:56 PM on 03/23/2008

After reading this, I need an anti-depressant.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:53 PM on 03/22/2008

Hillary has a negative of over 50% with voters. Young people think she's old enough to be their granny and is just as boring. Republicans despise her beyond measure. Independents would never vote for her. She can't win the nomination and she couldn't beat McCain. It's over for Hillary. She's not in the game at this point.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:43 PM on 03/22/2008