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What's the Real Relationship Between Taxes and Jobs?

Posted: 07/13/11 06:04 PM ET

Yesterday I looked at the Republicans' claim that tax hikes hinder economic growth, and tax cuts stimulate it. By looking at the actual data, it's clear that any correlation or causation is spurious at best.

Today we'll look at another Republican talking point in the debate over the federal budget: that tax cuts destroy jobs and tax cuts create jobs.

Let's go to the charts:

2011-07-13-Reaganjobs.jpg

As you can see, after Ronald Reagan cut taxes in 1981, US non-farm (farms are highly volatile, due to the seasonality of agriculture, and so are excluded when looking at employment trends) payrolls fell every month for about the next year and a half.

After he raised taxes -- in 1982, 1983, and 1987 -- job growth was mostly positive. It's true that employment is a lagging indicator, meaning it picks up after companies are already earning more, so it could be argued that the 1981 tax increase was responsible for the job growth in late 1983 and beyond.

But if you want to argue that, you'd also have to accept that tax increases also resulted in job growth. Take a look at the record of Bush41 and Clinton:

2011-07-13-GHWBWJBJOBS.jpg

Job losses slowed, and job gains hastened, following tax increases. There were also periods of slack growth and loss, so it's tough to argue for causality in either direction. It's possible that, with other policies and factors external to government action, the increases or decreases in taxes were a factor, but from Republican claims you'd think there'd be a sharp drop after each of the arrows in this chart.

I'm not going to make another chart for Bush43; his appalling record should be fresh enough in our memories that we don't need to look to know that the 2001 and 2003 tax cuts he enacted, which Republicans specifically claimed were intended to motivate hiring -- the 2003 tax cut was titled "The Jobs and Growth Tax Relief and Reconciliation Act" -- did no such thing.

Moreover, Bush43's tax cuts were targeted toward the wealthy, the excuse being that it's rich people who do the hiring (which doesn't quite mesh with claims that small businesses create 2/3 of the jobs, since small business owners' income is their companies' profit, not revenue -- but never mind).

What's the effect of tax cuts for the rich on job creation? The Congressional Budget Office says little to none.

What would help boost the economy? CBO Director Doug Elmendorf says, "A temporary increase in aid to the unemployed would have the largest effect on the economy per dollar of budgetary cost."

 

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tdpubs
Content publisher for small business marketing
09:58 AM on 07/14/2011
Every sane economist will tell you that we need another larger stimulus to kick this economy into high gear. The problem is that we have a Congress that prefers to sit this session out while a black Democratic president is in office. I thought the Democratic Senate was bad under Senator Reed's leadership, Rep. Pelosi presided over one of the most effective Congressional houses in recent history. Many of her accomplishments will help this country in the long term but many bills died on the Senate floor due to the gridlock of filibuster threats. Rep. Boehner seems to be having difficulty getting legislation passed even with his lopsided majority. His cries of "Where are the jobs?" ring hollow when no job stimulating bills have made it to the floor.
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ZeraLee
A Citizen's View from Main Street
06:21 PM on 07/14/2011
I would say that a large stimulus package would only get us out of first gear, not all the way to high gear. But otherwise, I concur. Austerity adds to the recession and economic contraction when we should be adding jobs and expanding the economy.

Reid has had the unenviable task of driving the Senate with the parking breaks on. In the entire time of Obama44, there have been only 72 days when Reid had a filibuster-proof majority. Conservatives like to deny or minimize obstructionism, but there is no doubt that it has become a standard practice for the GOP. While I have been frustrated with Reid more often than not, I do not claim to know what battles he has had to fight, or how hard he has fought them.
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10:30 PM on 07/14/2011
I think we are in complete agreement on Reid. The problem is of course that the Senate did not "fix" the filibuster problem when it had the chance this session. That goes to show you that they really aren't going to fight hard for Democratic policies against Senate Republicans. They seem to be beholden to the same masters.
09:50 AM on 07/14/2011
About 90% of the benefit of the Bush tax cuts went to the top 10% income for the past 8 years. If tax cuts for rich people created jobs, we should be at 100% employment right now. Truth is we are not, in fact, the unemployment rate is the highest since the Great Depression of the 1930's. The hype that rich people are "job creators" is hogwash, and so is that returning to Clinton era rates "job killers", more hogwash.
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lrobb
Southern Rational
08:40 AM on 07/14/2011
Tullis is having the wrong argument. Jobs are produced when consumers and clients are purchasing goods and services. At the moment most Americans are madly deleveraging debt. Americans went from an average 64% debt to income ratio in 1989 to 118% in 2008. Instead of buying luggage and taking cruises, we are paying off our credit cards.

There is every possibility, just as our grandparents or great-grandparents became famously frugal after the Depression, we will remain fiscally careful. At the moment Americans average debt to income ratio has only gone down to 111%. It has quite a ways to fall before the economy picks up.

A few of the things which could hurry the process along are a cramdown provision in the bankruptcy law where the judge could write down the principal of the mortgage on a primary residence. Another is a manditory lowering of the interest rate to prime on any credit card or line of credit the consumer cancels or closes to new borrowing. A third is a payroll tax holiday timed to coincide with the jobless rate.

The idea with the most bang for the buck, however, is mandating all lenders of any property--personal or commercial--which is underwater must write down the principal to the appraised value. The owner would then have to pay back 50% of any equity realized--up to the amount of the previous write down--when the property was sold.
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Paul Tullis
02:30 PM on 07/14/2011
Your points are right on but not the issue I was addressing. However I do think it's healthy to pay down debt, even if it's a temporary drag on the economy; we were living at unsustainable levels of leveraging.
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Muhtadi
02:28 AM on 07/14/2011
“(which doesn't quite mesh with claims that small businesses create 2/3 of the jobs, since small business owners' income is their companies' profit, not revenue -- but never mind).â€

Allow me to clarify:

If I am a successful businessman and earned an $10 million last year – I am going to take that money (less my expenses) and invest it – because that very strategy over the past 25 years has helped get me to the point where I am today of earning $10 million dollars.

Now if I only get to keep say $6 million of my earnings, then there is $4 million less available for the next guy who is trying to start a business (small business perhaps?).

4000 people running around with a $1,000 check from their favorite politician does NOT help the guy who needs $250,000 of capital to purchase the equipment he needs to produce his innovative new product that the 4000 people might buy with those checks.

The checks themselves of course will most definitely sustain economic activity – for at bit at least – until the tank runs out and the inevitable failure occurs. You MUST have GROWTH – without it you dye.

We need CAPTIAL for growth and government is taking that away from business/individuals in the form of taxes and at the same time, proposing penalties for an entrepreneurs who risk everything they have to build up a successful business and make a-gasp - profit
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clearasmud
De Tocqueville and Marx were both right
09:15 AM on 07/14/2011
And you totally ignore the "Demand" side of the equation without which there is no one to buy the products of the businessman.
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JScott
John Galt's last name is McGuffin-Smithee
10:40 AM on 07/14/2011
And yet Germany and the Scandanavian countries are suffering less in this recession and they are high tax countries and single payer healthcare, and it's citizens are not leaving in droves to places with 'better' economic opportunity. Explain
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Jack Glastra
My best comments are still pending.
11:32 PM on 07/13/2011
It would seem that these so called 'job creators' aren't doing a very good job themselves. Can we fire them?
10:30 AM on 07/14/2011
Yes, you can. It's called 'voting'.

Apparently you missed the last important election in 2010?

There's another critical one coming up in 2012.

You need to participate next time.
11:37 AM on 07/14/2011
Yes voting will be one of the steps ..... But, what do you do for now ..... I still say TWO TERM LIMITS is the best way ..... For one they would give second, even more, thoughts to the laws they pass because after the TWO TERM LIMIT any laws they pass will effect them as they do the U.S. Citizen to whom they effect ..... THE U.S. CAME ABOUT BECAUSE WE WERE BEING OVERLY TAXED BY ENGLAND BUT WE ARE FINDING OUT WE ARE THE MOST TAXED COUNTRY IN THE WORLD ..... WHY ..... WE DO NOT HAVE A SAY ON FEDERAL TAXES LIKE WE DO ON LOCAL TAXES ..... WHY SHOULD WE HAVE TO PAY TAXES ON FUNDS OUR PARENTS LEAVE TO US UPON THEIR PASSING -- WHY SHOULD WE PAY TAXES ON THE INTEREST THE BANKS PAY US, AFTER ALL IF WE DID NOT HAVE ACCOUNTS THEY WOULD NOT BE IN BUSINESS -- WE ALLOW THE BANKS TO USE OUR SAVINGS TO HELP THE COMMUNITY GROW THROUGH LOANS, WHICH HAVE INTEREST ON THEM ..... .....
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Jack Glastra
My best comments are still pending.
01:29 PM on 07/14/2011
I have voted in every election since I was 18. Let's get something straight: We do not live in a representative democracy, we live in a plutocratic democracy. Our rules are set up so congress is cheap to buy, and is always for sale thanks in part to the election cycle. Remember 2008? Democratic majorities in house and senate for the first time in my adult life, and they couldn't get anything done except a few anemic bills with no teeth. Why was this? Because the Democrats in both houses were more concerned with getting re-elected. They didn't even let the tax cuts expire.
Forgive me for sounding jaded at the age of 25, but it is kinda of difficult when it appears everything that ever gets done in this country is for the benefit of the industrial power elite regardless of who is in power.
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jeffrey678
You don't happen to make it. You make it happen.
11:10 PM on 07/13/2011
Notice that the tax cuts NEVER stimulated the economy or created jobs.This is what they promised every time over and over again.The wealthy and corporatio­­­­­­­­­ns just take the money out of the country. That is why economic growth shrinks after each tax cut. This is recent history. You can look the numbers up yourselves­­­­­. The numbers are in and accurate.

Annualized Growth Rates, Before and After TAX CUTS

Clinton

1993 to 1996 Real GDP = 3.44%
1993 to 1996 Real GDP per capita = 2.22%

1997 to 2000 Real GDP = 4.44%
1997 to 2000 Real GDP per capita = 3.26%

1993 to 2000 Real GDP = 4.01%
1993 to 2000 Real GDP per capita = 2.81%

Bush

2001 to 2004 Real GDP = 2.62%
2001 to 2004 Real GDP per capita = 1.68%

2005 to 2008 Real GDP = 1.75%
2005 to 2008 Real GDP per capita = 0.79%

2001 to 2008 Real GDP = 2.31%
2001 to 2008 Real GDP per capita = 1.36%
iridium53
Semper Fi
08:34 PM on 07/13/2011
Your analysis is way too simplified.

Where there is adequate economic activity the first order effect of a tax cut is to provide a temporary economic stimulus. That first order effect is, later, overwhelmed by the negative effects on government income.

Raising taxes on the wealthy and using those taxes to directly create American jobs (not overseas jobs, not military jobs where the money is spent overseas) directly stimulates the economy. The effect of that stimulus can be short term (the, as noted payments to the unemployed), or considerably more long-term due to the effects of an investment (Hoover Dam, national highways, etc.) What creates the stimulus is not the taxes, but rather the spend that creates DEMAND.
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jeffrey678
You don't happen to make it. You make it happen.
11:13 PM on 07/13/2011
To maximize real economic growth in the United States, the top marginal income tax rate should be about 65%, give or take about ten percent.

http://www.presimetrics.com/blog/?p=268
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SoylentGreenIsPeople
Hmmm........Tastes Like Chicken !
11:24 PM on 07/13/2011
Page 224, 225, 226.

http://www.econ.berkeley.edu/~saez/derive.pdf
iridium53
Semper Fi
12:04 AM on 07/14/2011
OOOO - I like data.
But, alas, I cannot actually find this.
What is the title?
iridium53
Semper Fi
11:28 AM on 07/14/2011
Interesting.
Thank you.

"top rates should not be lower than 50% and may be as high as 80%."

Pretty much as they were before Reagan and Laffer.
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dctackett
08:04 PM on 07/13/2011
"Today we'll look at another Republican talking point in the debate over the federal budget: that tax cuts destroy jobs and tax cuts create jobs."???

I think you mean "tax increases destroy jobs and tax cuts create jobs"
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JScott
John Galt's last name is McGuffin-Smithee
10:46 AM on 07/14/2011
They don't do either.
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dctackett
07:59 PM on 07/14/2011
you're absolutely right... only demand for products and services accompanied by money will truely create jobs...
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Paul Tullis
02:44 PM on 07/14/2011
Yes, I acknowledge my careless reversal and it has been fixed. Thanks.
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ZeraLee
A Citizen's View from Main Street
07:53 PM on 07/13/2011
Mr. Tullis, this is a clear example of how a spell-checker is no substitute for a proofreader.

You will never convince anyone of anything using gibberish like this.
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Robert SF
12:46 AM on 07/14/2011
Why couldn't you just move on? Why did you have to make a point of being unpleasant?
06:03 PM on 07/13/2011
Paul, regarding: "Yesterday, I looked at the Republicans' claim that tax hikes boost economic growth, and tax cuts hinder it."

Who are the Republicans you are referring to? I think you have stated a policy directly opposite to what most of them believe.
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Paul Tullis
07:43 PM on 07/13/2011
Thanks for bringing this to my attention. My duh. Big time. Apologies for my careless reversal of the proper characterization of the Republican position on this issue. The first sentence should read:

Yesterday I looked at the Republicans' claim that tax hikes hinder economic growth, and tax cuts stimulate it. By looking at the actual data, it's clear that any correlation or causation is spurious at best.