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Paula Goldman

Posted: October 17, 2008 04:45 PM

Don't Move to Canada


The other day, I was having coffee in a café in Menlo Park, California -- a small town in the heart of Silicon Valley -- and overheard a horrifying conversation.

It was late morning on Tuesday. Four mothers, appearing to be in their early forties, had gathered to catch up. The subject on their minds: the election. They were all Obama supporters. They were outraged by the way some women seemed to support Palin based on feeling they could relate to her rather than on her qualifications.

"If your house is on fire," one woman asked, "do you want a fireman you can relate to, or one who is qualified to put out the fire? If you need triple bypass surgery, do you want a surgeon you can have a beer with, or one with a successful track record of curing the problem?"

I thought this to be an astute critique about the way we vote. And at the risk of being unpopular, I think the critique extends to the way we vote for candidates on both sides of the political aisle

But then they continued.

"I'm leaving the country if McCain and Palin win," one commented.

"It's awful," responded another. "I can't stand this country anymore. That's why I don't stand for the national anthem anymore. And I don't say the pledge of allegiance, and I don't let my children do it either."

"Do they still make them do it in the schools? I thought they'd finally stopped that," said the third.

It was all I could do to keep my jaw from dropping.

Here were four women, who were all well-dressed, educated, and articulate. They all seemed to be well off enough to have a few hours to spend with friends on a weekday for the sake of catching up. They seemed, in other words, to be some of the people most benefiting from the access to opportunity that this country has provided.

It wasn't just how bratty they sounded that bothered me. What really bothered me was these women's blindness to just how bad things really are here.

Let's get real, folks. There are a lot of things that are severely broken about our country that neither John McCain nor Barack Obama are going to be able to fix -- or even have the bandwidth to address. What we've seen in the financial markets is just the tip of the iceberg -- and no one is really sure yet just how big that particular iceberg is. Then there's our education system, which is broken. And our healthcare system, which is broken. The list goes on.

Don't assume you can leave for a few years and expect that things will get better when your side is elected to power, because they probably won't. There are too many fires burning to have one individual fireman put them all out.

No matter who is elected in a few weeks time, the future of our country is still going to come down to us. Ordinary people working more diligently than ever to make a difference. Now, more than ever, we need everyone to participate in finding solutions. Now, more than ever, we can not afford to sit back and expect others to solve our problems for us.

This country, which I have been raised to respect and admire, has lost its compass. And we need each and every one of you out there to help us restore our sense of direction. If you care enough to complain about the election, then care enough to help find innovative solutions to the multiple crises we face -- from global warming to our banking system.

They're complicated issues. Issues which require multiple cracks in the wall from thousands of different stakeholders -- business, government, non-profit groups, and private citizens. Get involved through whatever means possible- through your work, through volunteering, through political advocacy, through staring your own enterprise or community group.

But please, put aside your disdain and anger for "those other voters" who don't think the way you do. By buying into the myth of two Americas, we are buying into the same culture wars that are tearing our country apart, and distracting us from the real problems at hand. We have a shared future that is bigger than infinitely more important than the emotional tricks played on us by pollsters and political strategists. We need you here to fight for that future.

Don't get me wrong. This election is more important than any I have seen in my lifetime. This election really, really matters. So work all you can to see the candidates you support make their way into power.

But then, come November 5, roll up your sleeves and keep going. Don't pack your bags and move to Canada if you're unhappy with the results. And don't think the problems are solved even if your candidates win.

Either way, it's just the beginning.

And we need you.

The other day, I was having coffee in a café in Menlo Park, California -- a small town in the heart of Silicon Valley -- and overheard a horrifying conversation. It was late morning on Tuesday. Fou...
The other day, I was having coffee in a café in Menlo Park, California -- a small town in the heart of Silicon Valley -- and overheard a horrifying conversation. It was late morning on Tuesday. Fou...
 
 
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OutragedMom
08:21 AM on 10/20/2008
I will not go to Canada.....I am heading to Europe, most likely The Netherlands. If McCain wins, then that "great experiment," the United States of America, will have failed. The lack of civility in this country started with the rabid partisanship of the current Republican leaders. The dumbing down of Americans is part of the Republican plan so that they could establish a permanent Republican majority, controlled by hate and fear.
I want to live in a country where intelligence is admired.
10:36 AM on 10/20/2008
See the Newsweek article this week on Europe and immigrants.
11:30 PM on 10/19/2008
Oh, so cheerleader Paula is living in London!!! You had better hurry hurry home to the US, we need you, it's been great here.
01:51 AM on 10/20/2008
Actually, the bio is out of date. I live in San Francisco. But thanks for pointing that out.
10:38 AM on 10/20/2008
Welcome back, things are in a mess. I will not put up with people shooting bullets into obama signs with his face on them, or cutting his face out of signs. You don't see the mccain signs vandalized. Something has got to be done, I will not rest with four more years of this, and you offer platitudes. Spare me.
12:59 PM on 10/19/2008
while its fair to talk about the real challenges facing our next president, you do our country a disservice by writing anything that suggests these two campaigns are in anyway equivalent in their merits to individual and taxpayer.

McCain-Palin have contributed to the lowering of standards for clear thoughts and intelligent discussion of national issues in this country, following the trend begun by Rove-Bush 8 years ago.

Now lets be clear, Rove-Bush politics (and lack of policy) have destroyed much of what made America great in the 20th century. McCain-Palin obviously would do more of the same, given that they've hired the same despicable people, consult the same despicable "experts", and have been trying to peddle the same despicable crap to the American people.

Now if you want to appeal to our patriotism and issue some plea for us all to stick together, then it might be prudent to point out that one campaign has talked incessantly about what its going to take to come together, while the other campaign has dwelt on all things that can break us asunder.

The more thoughtful among us have every right to be angry about what Rove-Bush-McCain have done and are doing to this country by pandering to the ignorant and the scared and the disadvantaged.

So if you want us to stand firm together, why don't you lead by endorsing the only candidate that might make this possible: Obama 2008 for the future of America.
11:26 PM on 10/19/2008
Here, Here! Thank you for the good clear answer to the blogger. This country deserves a good, strong leader, and we will vote for the Obama/Biden ticket. But there are many, many of us out her who share a rightful indignation at what the last eight years have wrought upon this country by the Republican Regime, and we are deeply saddened. And we will vote the Obama/Biden ticket! Those intelligent women were expressing the desperation they feel, and they will vote the Obama ticket.
02:04 AM on 10/20/2008
John Scenic, I think you have a very good point. I should have mentioned, for example, that I spent the weekend canvassing for the Obama campaign. That I do not equate the two campaigns in my head. That I, like many of the people who posted in response, am doing everything I can to support positive change in this election.

And like the rest of the people who have commented below (and I am honored that people would take the time to even respond to this post), I also understand the anger and the fear. I understand it deeply. I share it.

But we simply can not be shortsighted about this, and we can not escape our own responsibility-- each and everyone of us-- for our collective future. And it's a responsibility that lies beyond just this election, as absolutely critical as this election is.
05:57 AM on 10/19/2008
I looked up the following link, and fully read it's contents 3 weeks ago (when the polls were nearly tied) just to prepare myself for the possibility of a McCain presidency:

http://www.cic.gc.ca/english/resources/publications/guide/index.asp

Need I say more?
07:15 AM on 10/18/2008
Like many of your respondents I must disagree. For one thing, I've said similar things (except that pledge of allegiance and standing for the national anthem bit -- I think the pledge should be rewritten to reflect modern sensibilities, and I can't sing our national anthem because it's way out of my range, but both are important parts of instilling a sense of pride in one's country from an early age, and reminding one of that pride throughout life). Personally I'm half-seriously considering Australia. Honestly, if the US citizenry can elect GW Bush two times, could re-elect Nixon just political moments before he was forced to resign, and then if we (yes, we are all responsible) elect McCain, it demonstrates how low we are setting the bar, how intolerant and racist our society is, how poorly informed and misled our citizenry are ...

I'm surprised that you were surprised. All that being said, I am far too patriotic to actually leave, but if McCain wins, I'm going to be forced to change from a progressive to an increasingly obnoxious ultra-left-wing radical. Something must change drastically in this country if in the face of all the evidence we can't even elect the most qualified candidate to be president this time.
07:13 AM on 10/18/2008
Interesting to note in this "most important election of a lifetime", that the conservative habitues of the blogworld are expressing a similar form of mental expatriation to the liberal fantasy of "going to Canada in my mind". (Apologies to James Taylor). More than a few are posturing about their readiness to "go John Galt" in the event of an Obama win, unilaterally withdrawing their creative energies from the society, or in some cases just their investment funds (perhaps indicating that they have misread Rand -- scholars??).

Both left and right are preparing to take their ball or bat and go home.

To follow Paula Goldman's line of reasoning, the greatest thing that's broken is the will of the people to work within an imperfect union. Patriotism is a debased coin in modern politics, but commitment, not disengagement, in the face of disappointment is the sterling measure of patriotism.
11:37 PM on 10/19/2008
yeah, really the will of the people has been broken by the last eight years. And you mean the will of the people will be broken if Obama wins when he has yet had the chance to prove his worth as a leader? Does not jibe.
11:58 PM on 10/19/2008
I think a preventive war is a little more than a disappointment.
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kymlosang
12:34 AM on 10/18/2008
roll up our sleeves? for what? there will nothing left to roll them up for. even my grandparents are saying we should all move to australia if mccain wins. my grandfather is 87. he is heartbroken at the state of the country. the sentiment of these women that you write about is the sentiment of this nation. we must have something good happen. and soon. there has been corruption and lies and corruption and lies and we have had enough. we want something decent now. it's got to happen. change the direction of this country or there wont be a country in 4 years and that is what we all know deep down in our guts.
10:52 AM on 10/18/2008
And We "ANGRY Liberals" are tired of being excluded and watching hopelessly as our country is further degraded. No No No. When Pat Buchanan says "McCain will make Cheney look like Ghandi" my anxiety over my DRAFT AGE Daughters is through the roof. Their ideology the way think feel and act is so unlike everything I was ever taught was decent, so No. Our suffering bad as it is now will be catastrophic with these 2 nonthinkers playing games with this nation and the world. And I might add George W. was a C student McCain was a D- so we will regress even further. So no 2 Americas it is if they are elected. Maybe it's always been 2 Americas because there seems to be 2 distinctly different human species living here, they don't like or agree with us on anything nor do we like or agree with them on anything. Perhaps it's time to cut the cord with each other and go our separate ways. No other country will have any of us if we elect McCain/Palin.
10:16 PM on 10/17/2008
The last line should read -- You betcha, I am outta here Sarah and John!
10:10 PM on 10/17/2008
Take me back! I graduated from the University of Toronto in 1975 and regret leaving. Underlying "dreaded Canadian socialism" is the premise that society benefits as whole from a platform upon which the community can prosper. We need roads, and firemen, but in the modern world, healthcare, public transportation, park systems and top notch educations are the basis of a healthy, educated stable middle class that allows the economy to churn without the disasterous volatility of the US economy. Nor does the cultural imperative exist of the ruthless independent self made millionaire. A source of angst, depression, and divorce. America is overly speculative, not investment oriented. Oversexed and anti authentic family values. Reagan began deregulation of every form of government oversight -- be it derivatives or children's toys which has now reached the point where free market enterprise has proven it cannot regulate itself at all from its own evil lust for exploitation - privatize all for profit! We are all paying the bad boys for their run for our money. We are now reluctantly socialist and shareholders in the dubiously valued collapsed American banking system. Had I stayed, I traded 5% in more taxes for free health insurance, great public transit, and excellent schools. If I returned I could afford the bigger house. Well, I owned the house, sold it and now have exorbitant health insurance and travel expenses that dwarf the difference. With my Canadian Tax ID and Health Card, if McCain and Palin win, I an outta
07:46 PM on 10/17/2008
Sorry, I understand where those ladies are coming from. If McCain and Palin are elected, then all bets are off. Canada would seem a good alternative to me. I don't really know much about that country, but they do seem saner up there, and you don't ever hear about Canada getting into any crazy wars. I can't afford to move now, but maybe I will be able to move there someday, if heaven forbid, things get any worse.
06:50 PM on 10/17/2008
Sorry Paula, but my husband and I have already looked at the map to figure out what region of Canada we'd like to move our family to. (We’ve even joked about several of us having to marry our one Canadian friend in a strange, new discovery of Mormonism.) If John McCain becomes the President of the United States, I believe that the final blow will have been struck. America is in no position for someone with no plan and limited health (backed up by someone with no experience and limited capacity for factual argument) to be in charge. I love America, and it angers me that the National Anthem has become a solo performance. But there are a growing number of us who will have to choose between revolution and becoming ex-patriots should we see either McCain or Palin anywhere nearer to the White House than they already are. The very thing that makes this true makes it necessary - that another Republican administration will force us into what is looking more and more like the sort of government we have always tried to avoid, that of a ruling class. Rome may not have been built in a day, but it took much less time to tear it down than it did to build it. Please VOTE!
05:42 AM on 10/18/2008
As someone who has lived in both Canada and US, I have to tell you that both you AND Canada can only benefit from having intelligent, informed and passionate Americans move in.

Canada's apathy has been both its weakness and its strength. It has, as you say, prevented them from getting into stupid wars for oil; but also prevents from ever being a world leader.

Reality: if America goes down the drain, Canada will not be long following. Canada's population is too small to protect itself from any corruption in its "big sister". The housing/credit bubble went from the US into Canada in short order.

For you and yours, fleeing to Canada will be postponement at best. Canada likes to think it's immune from the ills of the US - this is not true. America today still leads Canada and the rest of the OECD world. Whether this stays true or not depends on the sane American majority, people such as you and your family.

All I'm trying to say is, if people like you have to fly from the US, then the battle is lost for all of us, because at present the US has been a leader for good and for bad. I hope you won't plan on leaving - but will vote, believe, get active. It is no understatement to say that the less powerful world looks to the US and people like you now.
10:22 AM on 10/20/2008
Something I found out when I recently considered moving to Mexico (yes, as a political stmt), there really is no such thing as an ex-patriot, actually the term is ex-patriate , and simply means living out of the mother country, it has no meaning in regard to politics. We would , technically have to seek political asylum if we wanted to do that, and we would be immigrants. Doesn't sound like a such a statement anymore, does it? Newsweek has an interesting article this week on Europe's treatment of immigrants. The poster above who said no one will want us is probably correct, and I know that I cannot at age 62 become a Canadian citizen according to their immigration regulations. All countries have restrictions in this regard. Look at what immigrants went through here when they arrived at Ellis Island in the last century. It ain't easy McGee. We can leave, we just can't leave mad. I loved Mexico and would love to return, and maybe I will, but I won't be chased out of this country, and I do not plan on getting along with the McCain-Palin ilk should they succeed, so life is hard.
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larry91403
06:43 PM on 10/17/2008
Paula,

There are indeed two Americas and there are irreconcilable differences. Why stay in a country that not only acts in ways contrary to your thinking but also spends your money against your will? Aren't you tired of the blue states funding the red states? Think about what would happen if the all the blue state folks just got up and left? There would be no money left to fund the nightmares of the red staters. Naturally there are people of all ideologies mixed in but you get my point. Your argument is naive. This is a battle not dissimilar to Vietnam or Iraq and perhaps there is no way to win - maybe we just need to withdraw?
06:17 PM on 10/17/2008
I understand what you are saying and agree somewhat. But the fact remains that the toxic effect of the last eight years of Republican rule has so damaged and demoralized our country that the thought of four or eight more years give me nightmares and makes me want to run away. So I agree with Tina Fey, if the dirty rotten bastards win / steal the election, I'm leaving the planet.
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KaAp
06:05 PM on 10/17/2008
I voiced those same sentiments when Bush was elected again, and, then inertia set in. I wish we would have left for another country then. I have seen far too many of my colleagues leave the United States unable to engage in research: I paraphrase RFK Jr. by saying Torquemada's successors. I am terrified in McCain and Palin get into office. I fear there will be violence from both inside the country (you cannot trample on the people in the nation or steal elections or engage in everything we have witnessed these past eight years and think people will remain complacent) and from outside the country. I have children whom I love very much, and, I fear for their future: the environment, neo-fascism , and on and on ...
So, we will not stay ... we have investigated other countries and have narrowed our choices down and are actively seeking employment there ... we have no intentions of ever coming back ... since I doubt if there will be much of a nation to come back to and if we keep goose-stepping further and further to the right this country will no longer be a place I recognize ...
05:59 PM on 10/17/2008
Yup. Sorry Paula...arguments just not strong enough.