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With the Affordable Care Act Hanging by a Thread, It's Time for Single-Payer

Posted: 05/21/2012 5:55 pm

Co-written by Jonathan Stone

While the Affordable Care Act is being deliberated in the Supreme Court -- with no decision expected until the end of June -- progressives and all other rational human beings should ramp up their efforts to build the movement for single-payer and work to ignite the Occupy movement on this issue. The Occupiers are expected to become more visible at the beginning of July, and they could and should become a single-payer force. They could even join the loud chorus coming from the GOP to overturn the ACA and its mandate. Finally, something on which the left and right can at long last agree -- for very different reasons, of course.

The right wants to privatize health care, while the left wants a real national health plan as exemplified by a single-payer model. To date, we have still not seen a coherent health care proposal emerge from the right, while the left has been less than visible in voicing their distaste for the ACA. Too many Dems and so-called progressives in and out of Congress -- including unions -- have flaked out and publicly supported the ACA, while privately loathing it. It is the nature of politics to accept and vote for half measures and Band-Aid solutions to accomplish "something rather than nothing." Standing one's ground on principle is a foreign concept. Where are those 590 local union organizations, including 140 Central Labor Councils and Labor Federations and 40 State AFL/CIO's on this issue? All of them support single-payer and Rep. John Conyers' H.R. 676 bill, The United States National Health Care Act. The unions keep signing on in support of this bill, but have they taken their numbers to congressional leaders or the White House? Are they rallying in the streets? Obviously not.

A huge opportunity was lost when President Obama took office almost four years ago and all three houses were controlled by the Dems. Yet the silence from the unions even then was deafening. With nothing drawing them to single-payer, the Obama administration kept it off the table in its ill-timed health care debate. Our president said in those early days that if he was "starting from scratch," he would go to single-payer. Where was the will to do the right thing? Instead, the insurance industry was allowed to write the legislation, using Mitt Romney's Massachusetts health care plan as a template, which he created with the aid of the Heritage Foundation. As a result, they gave us a system that increases health insurers' control over people's health care decisions and will deliver some 31 million new customers into a system that is rotten at its core and does not essentially change how health care is delivered or paid for. The money continues to flow to the insurers, while delivering less in services each year and shifting more costs to the insured. People are downsizing their use of health care due the unmerciful costs, which remain un-contained. It is not hard to imagine the long-term effects of delayed or ignored health care. We see it every day in hospitals across the country.

Even corporations that have provided health insurance to workers for decades are scrambling to get out of the insurance game, so fewer and fewer have insurance on the job, which has kept untold numbers locked in jobs for decades they would prefer to leave. I'm sure they would bolt in a heartbeat if a comprehensive health care plan such as single-payer were helping not only to give them freedom of choice in the job market, but also bolstering the economy. The core of the ACA is to offer subsidies or Medicaid, which is costly and unsustainable. Corporations have every incentive to end on-the-job insurance and let employees fend for themselves, a truly GOP philosophy. We are the only industrialized nation that hinges health care to the job. It makes no sense now, but it did make sense during World War II, when labor was scarce and a great enticement was needed to bring those remaining at home into the factories. Health care coverage was the hook.

Now we wait for this activist Supreme Court to render its decision and put its stamp on health care policy for years to come. It will either let the ACA survive in bits and pieces, or find it unconstitutional as a whole and throw it out. While the right has yet to unveil an alternative plan, neither does the Obama administration have a "Plan B," as it is certain it will prevail and the bill will be found constitutional -- a foolish stance with the Roberts court in control.

If the GOP and so-called conservatives are sincere about cutting costs, fraud and waste in health care, they should embrace single-payer. After all, it would cut $400 billion yearly from health care costs, money that could certainly cover all Americans and be used for other national needs, other than further military buildups. Imagine the efficiency of rolling Medicare and Medicaid into one system of Improved and Expanded Medicare For All, all while operating at greatly reduced cost. The structure is already in place, with the current administrative cost of Medicare at a modest 3 to 4 percent. Better health care and lower costs -- what a revolutionary concept. Not to mention that single-payer would put an end to those 50 percent of bankruptcies that occur due to illness and medical bills. A healthier, more solvent middle class would emerge.

If the ACA is thrown out, President Obama should breathe a sigh of relief and finally push for single-payer. He would be vindicated and have a real opening, and the American people would support him and his bold new stance. Our president would be in his final term and free to finally deliver on that "change" he promised so long ago.

Right now, single-payer advocates are working in several states to institute single-payer programs. Even New York Assembly Chair of Health Dick Gottfried recently introduced his resurrected single-payer bill, which he first put forth in the early 1990s. Ever the politician, he feels there is a growing movement and support for such a bill right now and wants to get in on the action. Indeed, the single-payer movement as a whole must grow and become much more cohesive and effective if it is to play a role in reshaping the health care debate if the ACA is found unconstitutional. We all know that the first group to be thrown under the bus in any "compromise" legislation drafted to replace the ACA would be those folks with pre-existing conditions. Even within the ACA itself are cuts that will allow our government to essentially turn its back on the most vulnerable among us, like the little item of cutting $4.9 trillion from Medicare part A and B between 2014 and 2033.

There has to be -- and is -- a better way, and every effort must be made to continue to build the Single Payer movement, regardless of the outcome in the Supreme Court, for it is the only rational solution to our many national economic woes. Now, the single-payer movement must ramp up its efforts and become much bolder in its demand for a truly comprehensive national health plan. The American people have waited long enough.

 
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01:18 PM on 05/26/2012
Thank you, Pearl for writing this comprehensive summary of where we are at with Single Payer today.

Allying with the Occupy movement is extremely important. Mostly a young people's movement, they will inherit the current woes of this broken system, gravitating toward jobs that offer health care instead of realizing their own talents and dreams.

We are going to have go on the Offensive with this and Occupy could be that non-partisan bridge to other Americans that will allow us to demand this. No government, state or federal is going to give it to us, no matter how much fiscal sense it makes. They are 100% corrupted by their campaign contributions.

I'm sure you are aware of the 50 doctors who signed an amicus brief to the Supreme Court, also asking that the mandate be ruled unconstitutional. One of these, Dr.Margaret Flowers has connected with the Occupy movement through 'October 2011' .... you might want to contact her.

The straight facts of Single-Payer, Medicare for All need to be out there clearly:

---Medicare for All
---birth to death
---everybody in, nobody out
----includes vision, dental and mental health
---not connected with employment
---funded by employer/employee payroll taxes, a surtax on those making over $250K and a stock transaction tax.

Thank you again for your excellent article!!
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Pearl Korn
03:58 PM on 05/26/2012
And thank you for being exactly right and well informed in all you say. I would expect nothing less from a RN. Your profession is out there leading the charge in moving us to a better world led by those gutsy California nurses. Yes. I do know Doc Margaret Flowers a remarkable crusader who is blossoming as a national leader with her role with the Occupiers. Most of those young people are without health insurance and so should become fully engaged with single payer as their mission.

I also am aware of the 50 doctors and their amicus brief to the Supreme Court. Good for them, but why isn't that a brief by thousands of doctors which would have registered with the S.C? If we could only get doctors out there in great numbers joining with their nurse colleagues. On the streets from coast to coast, but they are caught up in the daily grind of working in a non functional system that poorly serves all of us and will only get worse. What will it take? And yes, yes we must do a much better job in informing the public as to the merits of single payer.

Money could be raised as you stated but also by getting rid of those insurers who provide no health services and do their best to deny services to prop up their corporate profits for themselves and their share holders. Health care as a commodity stinks.
05:34 PM on 05/26/2012
Profit and 'benefits' are perhaps the two greatest obstacles in building the movement. Once we air these issues and reach a consensus, we should have that groundswell of support.

Profit, that reaches into many of our lives in the form of public pension plans, 401Ks, IRAs... our nest-eggs for retirement. Perhaps the stock transaction tax should come solel from this sector.... you can profit off health care delivery but you must give back to fund universal health care.

The Market Cap today is $39 trillion in shares time share prices of value in Health on the Market. I have seen it over $70 trillion.
http://biz.yahoo.com/p/5yied.html

Benefits have been a tradition in Labor for over 50 years and many unions
won't give up their efforts easily. I am a union supporter, but I can also see where this tradition has to change.

Somehow the unions must be convinced to focus on Job lock and realize that ultimately dissolving the -employment-health care connection will give them much more freedom in their lives.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Job_lock

One more item .... there's actually a pilot Medicare program happening in Libby, MT and maybe eventually other Super Fund sites that we should be looking at..spnsored by Sen. Max Baucus (Mr. nay on Single Payer).
https://www.noridianmedicare.com/ard/docs/affordable_care_act_section_10323.pdf

Here's the web site enlisting people to sign up:
http://www.ssa.gov/libby/
08:34 PM on 05/23/2012
Great article Pearl, Single Payer is the ONLY way for our country to ever have a safe and sustainable healthcare delivery system. It is really time for the people to stand up and demand better healthcare for all.
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Pearl Korn
04:04 PM on 05/26/2012
The people have to make it happen, from the bottom up as it sure won't happen from the top down.We will have to make them do it.
01:24 PM on 05/23/2012
Having belonged to many unions over my working career,
I can tell you that the large national unions are just as corrupt at the top leadership circle
as the Democratic party is in it's top leadership circle.
More often than not, the rank and file have to go against their ''leadership'' in order
to effect real change.

I have both the Veterans medical care and the traditional medicare.
I prefer the traditional medicare, except that it is getting harder and harder to find doctors
who accept medicare.
The VA does it's best, but given the large numbers of veterans,
it is more like a factory health care system.
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Pearl Korn
04:16 PM on 05/26/2012
Hi EJ, Good to hear from you. And thanks for sharing your union experiences and experiences in the health care system as a vet. You really know the score on all counts. The top guys heading the unions are showing no leadership, and corruption as you point out does exist at the top levels. Rank and file must clean house. And vote them out of office if they do not represent their best interests.

The unions continue to fail to lead as you pointed out. How do we get them to unite on this mission at least in rising up and demanding a single payer system? My blog certainly shows there are countless unions that support such a system. They must come out from the shadows and show some guts and muscle and lead as they did so many decades ago. But they are are rapidly diminishing breed under constant assault. Look at Wisconsin. Rank and file must press and also show some spine. If we lose unions we lose America's heart and soul. They must survive and rebuild. A fight worth having for all of our sakes.
12:53 PM on 05/23/2012
Pearl, is right. Private insurance's goal is PROFIT not Providing needed services at a affordable cost! More drugs are being eliminated from Formulary drug plans that contract with Medicare. Many 60 years old meds have tripled in price, and many Generic drugs are not covered by Medicare drug plans that only cost $40.00 while newer meds that cost $600.00 are! Private Insurance in some areas is owned by the Hospital and Doctors which can create a conflict of interest. IMO. Medicare Advantage plans do not cover needed medical services still leaving people causing low income people to have file bankruptcy when they HAVE Insurance. In Oklahoma a Medical bills are Due and Payable at the time of the Service from the client not the insurance company. If the insurance does not pay in 90 days they sue the client ruining elderly patients credit. We Have a Broken Health Care System in the US and the doctors and insurance companies and the politicians that have investments in Private Insurance are laughing all the way to the banks!
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Pearl Korn
01:20 PM on 05/24/2012
Shocked to read of the Oklahoma awful experience in bill paying for health services on the spot. Where are you state insurance regulators on this? Call or write to them and your Gov. and State Senator. Things will not get better. Enough is enough. WE must demand a different system. This is further eroding by the day.
10:43 PM on 05/22/2012
A very well written argument Pearl. How I wish what was logical was always practical politically. Here is a piece on food industry practices which resemble insurance companies. http://push-hc4allpa.blogspot.com/2012/05/lessons-from-hbos-weight-of-nation.html
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Pearl Korn
12:22 PM on 05/23/2012
Thanks. Am glad I made the case. The nasty politics are a serious hinderance to so much in our daily lives. It will not be easy or fast to clean it up, yet it must be done so we can function once again like a sane society. And indeed serve the many and not a select moneyed few.

Pleased your site in Pa. is on the single payer issue and out there. Keep building it.I see one of my post's is up there on health care. Thanks for cross posting.
04:16 PM on 05/22/2012
Pearl, you are my hero. We need to get the unions out of the board rooms and onto the streets, with their voices and their wallets to enact a single payer system once and for all. If it doesn't happen at the national level, then states need to enact single payer in place of the "exchanges" another name for insurers getting more of our hard earned dollars. Single payer, ENHANCED MEDICARE FOR ALL, should be a bipartisan issue--unless the Dems and Repubs keep taking the insurance money, let Karen Ignani decide what is best for America, and "pretend" like they want to actually solve the crisis. Remember, of those 50% personal bankuptcies, 75% had insurance at the time, so the insurance industry is the problem, not the solution. You are right on that Obama lost his opportunity at the start of his first term. Maybe he will have "the cajones" to do it in his second term. And again, unions--get our your members and stop spending time at every negotiation dealing with health care. EVERYBODY IN NOBODY OUT.
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Pearl Korn
05:32 PM on 05/22/2012
Ha. Thanks very much for the kind words Scott.Yet again we continue to be very much on the same page. Your patience and mine are fairly thin in regards to the unions. They thought they would be at those negotiating tables early on with O in the White House and were repeatedly rebuffed. And went along with every crumby decision coming out of the administration, expecting to be embraced by the administration. It did not happen and still they can't find their backbones to speak for the country. They know full well what their message should be.

Glad you agree that indeed single payer should be a bipartisan issue. Glad you pointed out that among those bankruptcies 75% were insured at the time a health care crisis struck. This isn't even an issue in countries that have national health programs.

The unions need leadership and to resurrect their labor roots on the streets with picket signs.Have they forgotten that during after World War 2 they lifted all boats and so gave birth to the middle class?
02:16 PM on 05/22/2012
Single-payer systems may simplify the process and expand coverage, but how does the government formulate compensation plans? Look at medicare right now. Both sides of the aisle agree that the central flaw that will bankrupt the system is fee-for-service. Essentially the government has to contrive prices for every health service, drug, and medical device with a complex formula. We don't need to repeat the experiments of eastern Europe only to find that markets are the only source of efficient prices. I wouldn't trust any government to get the incentives right to keep health care sustainable. Check out the American Action Forum's ideas about fee-for-service: http://bit.ly/IWArsa
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05:44 PM on 05/22/2012
I did check the link and there is a lack of information as to who is running the org.? And all of the names listed as economists or experts are completely unknown with out a mention of their backgrounds or professional affiliations. No mention of a Paul Krugman, Stiglitz or a Dean Baker. All with heavy credentials and well respected. So forgive me for being skeptical.

Actually it was not govt. who gave us the convoluted pricing. It was the AMA who created those 7800 code numbers for every health care service imaginable, I have long been a foe of fee for service which fosters theft, greed, inefficiency and more. Markets as a source for pricing is the problem. Health care should not be a market driven product. It fails time and time again yet we keep using the same failed system.
09:23 AM on 05/23/2012
Thank you for your reply. I am still curious about how you would compensate doctors in a single-payer system. Can a government agency price 7800 code numbers any better than the AMA or any other panel of experts? Doctors will continue to lobby and push for higher prices, and by then the system will be so distorted that there will be no prices anywhere in the country to even compare to. I'm still skeptical. I expect bankruptcy, long lines, and a shortage of health professionals. But I'm not Paul Krugman, so apparently my opinion doesn't matter.
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Pearl Korn
12:33 PM on 05/23/2012
Oh I don't know. It seems that Medicare before the spectre of privatizing crept in was a pretty great system. One of our great achievements as a caring society. Who would want to give up Medicare? And look at the VA, a government single payer system. Ask any vet if they would give up that coverage which takes care of them from their service years thru the decades that follow.
Major health care inovations and discoveries have come from the VA which has benefited countless numbers.

We see the failure of market driven health care every day. That paradigm has failed and we keep right on using it.

One of my earliest posts was on the failure of a fee for service system. Check it out in my archive. Over 2 years ago.
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12:32 PM on 05/22/2012
This was the plan all along.
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jimpager
11:39 AM on 05/22/2012
WorldWar II babies soon become eligible for Medicare. Turning health insurance from a profit center to a cost center is critical...

Consider the IMMEDIATE and measurable savings brought about by extending Medicare to all...

1. No sales force required of 50 health insurance companies...you just register on the Internet
2. No advertising expenses of 50 health insurance companies
3. No bloated managerial salaries of 50 health insurance companies
4. No attorneys in 50 health insurance companies
5. 1 Computer system not 50
6. 1 universal records system not 50
7. 1 coverage and rate structure not 50
8. Fewer claims adjusters
9. Not required to manage 50 health insurance stocks
10. 1 accounting structure not 50
11. Transparency & Portability everywhere
12. 50 HMO/PPO health care rationers are reduced to a single health care standard
13. The medicare structure is already in place and well-accepted

The supreme court may do us a favor. Let's make SinglePayer Medicare the law of the land.
12:14 PM on 05/22/2012
Medicare Reimburesment is different in every state Jim. What may be covered in GA may not be covered in FL. It's not that simple. Also consider the ramifications of extending this coverage to all. Who foots the bill on that. Lastly, many people are actually satisfied with their present coverage. As I had pointed out in an earlier comment there are down sides to single payer.
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03:38 PM on 05/22/2012
Lax,

1. Those who like their existing program should stick with it
2. I think there needs to be a single national standard so people don't move from state to state shopping their coverage...Cancer in Georgia should be treated the same in Florida IMHO
3. In terms of making health care universal, it is a cost of living in a great nation. "life...and the pursuit of happiness" starts where health care starts.
4. My fundamental point above, perhaps not made very well, is that the demographics of the world war II population bubble, can only be dealt with by stripping out the massive duplication of cost in the for profit system. Making health care a government program, like Medicare, which is already treating millions, is the only reasonable way of dealing with this population bubble.
5. I have personal experience with existing private market coverage that is both inefficient, heartless, and borderline brutal. I would give up my private coverage for Medicare in a second based on that experience.
6. The way to expand Medicare to make it more universal would be to progressively allocate the costs of the poor to the rest of the subscribers in a "buy-in". Those not buying in, however, should be required to stay with their private market coverage at 65 and beyond when they will discover the reality of dealing with the "for Profit" free market system.

Thanks for your thoughts.
05:15 PM on 05/22/2012
Where are you going to get the money?
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Pearl Korn
12:39 PM on 05/23/2012
The money isn't the problem but the will is. $400 billion by getting rid of the wasteful insurance industry and its over priced CEO's. Up to 30% of every health care dollar goes to administration in the private sector. Wasteful when Medicare as my post pointed out runs at an efficient 3-4%.Small tax on employers and all of the rich who evade paying taxes at all and those off shore loop holes. And wasteful corporate subsidies.And down sizing the military. As you begin to see the money is out there. We just have to reset our priorities,
09:27 AM on 05/22/2012
Obviously, the present pace in the healthcare industry cannot be sustained.There are challenges from the left and the right, therefore, it's crystal clear that there is something that presently does NOT work.Therefore, changes are deemed necessary so that "each" American will have the opportunity to have access to the fundamental right to obtain healthcare.Having said that, I think that the time has finally come to place aside political ideologies and find common ground so that "each" American can say that the golden paradigm "Equal Justice Under the Law" also applies in the context of healthcare, that is, there is a need of an "Equal Healthcare Under the Law."After all, our Founding Fathers when conceived the concept of the "Rule-of-Law," it was also implied that there cannot be "Equality" if a selected group of Americans --say, because of "da money"--are allowed to be treated differently from those less fortunate.Indeed, the time has come to find common ground and a solution so that America will be known throughout the world as the land where the healthcare paradigm, "Equal Healthcare Under the Law" is equally important as the one of "Equal Justice Under the Law."What could be the common ground that the left and right political ideologies could find a solution? I respectfully believe that a "SINGLE-PAYER" system offers that opportunity, where America's healthcare fundamental right is preserved; therefore, there can be "Equal Healthcare Under the Law" in our beloved America!
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Pearl Korn
05:57 PM on 05/22/2012
Think you have offered a new amendment to the Constitution."equal Health care under the Law." There are those who insist it is a human right. I prefer to think of it in terms of simply the right and humane thing for all Americans. A more compassionate and caring society would emerge.
09:06 AM on 05/22/2012
It's no Silver Bullet Pearl - All countries that have adopted socialized healthcare have suffered from the disease of price-control-induced shortages. If a Canadian, for instance, suffers third-degree burns in an automobile crash and is in need of reconstructive plastic surgery, the average waiting time for treatment is more than 19 weeks, or nearly five months. The waiting time for orthopaedic surgery is also almost five months; for neurosurgery it's three full months; and it is even more than a month for heart surgery (see The Fraser Institute publication, Waiting Your Turn: Hospital Waiting Lists in Canada). Think about that one: if your doctor discovers that your arteries are clogged, you must wait in line for more than a month, with death by heart attack an imminent possibility. That's why so many Canadians travel to the United States for healthcare.
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Pearl Korn
06:18 PM on 05/22/2012
Ah the old story about those long waiting lines for treatment in Canada. NOT true as all necessary care is delivered rather promptly. That is stuff spewed by the right. I myself waited for an orthopedic shoulder surgery here for 4 months which turned out to be a disaster. Canada's health care funding problems have increased as their system is underfunded. The economy is a contributor. We could do it bigger and better than any other nation. And technically we are ahead of Canada due to finances. They don't have the number of MRI'S we have as one example. And do we even need the numbers we have at more than a million per machine? And this expensive equipment has to be paid for with excessive imaging.

I suspect waiting for heart surgery here for a month would not be considered overly long. In emergencies in Canada the patient is treated quickly. We do have a shortage of heart surgeons here and other high level specialists. But with the high cost of these procedures you can bet they are scheduled as rapidly as is possible with the need determining the treatment. The same for Canada. With more prudent use in Canada since doctors are salaried with no incentive to do excessive or perhaps unwarranted surgeries.
06:36 PM on 05/22/2012
I Beg to differ Pearl - Specialist physicians surveyed across 12 specialties and 10 Canadian provinces
report a total waiting time of 19.0 weeks between referral from a
general practitioner and elective treatment in 2011—the longest total wait
time recorded since the Fraser Institute began measuring wait times in 1993.
Patients in Ontario experience the shortest wait (14.3 weeks) followed by
British Columbia (19.3 weeks), and Quebec (19.9 weeks)
Patients wait longest to undergo plastic surgery (41.6 weeks) and wait
least for medical oncology treatment (4.2 weeks)
After an appointment with a specialist, Canadians wait nearly 3 weeks
longer than what physicians believe is “reasonable” for elective treatment.
Throughout the provinces, in 2011 people are waiting for an estimated
941,321 procedures. Assuming that each person waits for only one
procedure, 2.8 percent of Canadians are waiting for treatment
Only 9.4 percent of patients are on waiting lists because they requested
a delay or postponement
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Pearl Korn
12:48 PM on 05/23/2012
I checked your Fraser Institute and they certainly arent' providing info. onwho their CEO and board is comprised of . They appear to be a Canadian conservative think thank dedicated to RESPONSIBILITY, THE GOVT. ROLE IN THE PEOPLES LIVES AND MARKETS. And they are funded by organizations and the people. Who are those organizations and ind. donors? A familiar story. Even lauding bringing in speakers Margaret Thatcher and Milton Friedman.Look to other Canadian research. Indeed if you ask Canadians if they would give up their health care system the answer is a resounding No. They are smart enough not to want the mess we have.
08:14 AM on 05/24/2012
As I said Pearl they are conditioned to it. Many Americanes who work in Canada, and I know many, have very mixed feelings about their healthcare system and would not give up their fee for service model either.  In the end we may be having 2 different discussions since socialized health care they way Canada implements it may be different than just extending Medicare to all. In some cases Medicare reimburses the clinician better than third party  carriers and certainly Medicaid. The national discussion will be if the country is willing to add to the national burden. Again, a worthy discussion and I hope you can appreciate my debate.
08:27 AM on 05/22/2012
for the occupy little campers to be more visible they would first have to be visible now
08:20 AM on 05/22/2012
so let's get rid of it first
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Pearl Korn
08:33 AM on 05/22/2012
No. The work in preparation for its demise must continue, especially while it has the public's and govt. attention. Too late after the fact to mobilize.
08:41 AM on 05/22/2012
so go for it.........laughing
07:28 AM on 05/22/2012
If your a "rational human being" you clearly understand the absurdity of a single payer system managed by the government.
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Pearl Korn
12:50 PM on 05/23/2012
Traditional Medicare a model and envy of the world since 1965. One of our great achievements as a civilized society. The VA hospital system not so bad either.
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Pearl Korn
01:26 PM on 05/23/2012
Traditional Medicare enacted in 1965 speaks heaps about its success. A great achievement. And what of the success of the VA Hospital Health care system and its dedicated service to millions of vets? Both single payer systems.
09:02 PM on 05/23/2012
Having worked in IT in health care for over 7 years I know all to well the about the inefficiency and waste associated with Medicare.  
As for the VA program, Oh please were not talking great healthcare here.  
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oldStory
Southern hippy man dreaming on
07:25 AM on 05/22/2012
Single payer health insurance for our nation has the potential of becoming one of the most successful programs in history. Imagine every citizen belonging to one huge umbrella of care at birth. Issued a an account along with their SS. #. The entire population with the numbers to negotiate drug prices and establish the highest standards for health care, staffing, and long term quality of life. Administrators free to run hospitals for the good of the patients, Drs., nurses, and staff instead for the highest return on investment. The skills of the surgeons, the compassionate care of nurses would be focused on the main reasons they joined this profession; caring for the ill. The single payer countries like Japan, Switzerland and Canada all have private insurance as well. Buy as much as you want.
08:22 AM on 05/22/2012
no thanks
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Pearl Korn
08:47 AM on 05/22/2012
Care to explain why? Pretty convincing statements above by oldStory.
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Pearl Korn
08:40 AM on 05/22/2012
How eloquently you have delivered a beautiful sale on the merits of going single payer. SO logical and just good common sense. And this should be the sales pitch the single payer movement incorporates into its agenda. Simple and easy to digest with no down side.

Just one small correction. The only pure single payer countries are UK, Canada and I believe Taiwan. The rest use a public- private system that is non profit. Canada used our Medicare system and is so named as its template.
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Southern hippy man dreaming on
06:20 AM on 05/23/2012
Dear Ms. Korn, thanks for the article and response.  So many families with horror stories around this life and death issue.  Paying for care with a credit card, hospitals with finance and credit offices like a full service bank and waiting to see if your credit rating will be good enough for the treatment you need that night.   I think that as a culture at odds with the circumstances of life and law in this country, we know each other too well.  Rather than using this knowledge against one another, we need to find the mercy and grace to accept and perceive the bigger vision most strive to achieve for their families and themselves.  Thanks again.