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Women and Work -- Where to Now?

Posted: 11/16/11 12:00 PM ET

Regardless of where you fall on the scale of feminist ideology -- great progress to stubborn inequality -- in the arena of women and work, big shifts are afoot. The direction is clear. The destination is not. But by all indications, work and families have some adjustments ahead.

First the numbers. There was a flurry of headlines that, for the first time, there were more women in the workforce than men. Second-paragraph perspective pointed out that is mainly because of the depleted employee rolls of male-heavy industries like manufacturing and construction. Still, we've had recessions in the past, and the balance had never tipped toward women. The fact is, women were already getting close.

While there is still a wage gap, it's narrowing. One example with interesting implications for families: according to the Bureau of Labor statistics, two decades ago, 17.8 percent of women in two-income families made more money than their husbands. In 2007 -- even before the cresting of the layoffs -- it was 26 percent. With the flow of female graduates out of professional schools, and the fact that they already make up half of middle management positions, there is every reason to assume that the trend will continue. There will simply be more women making more money than ever before.

The glass half-empty contingent counters quickly with the statistics that show women bunched in the in the middle ranks like a crowd waiting for a stalled elevator. True, the numbers at the top reflect a puzzling lack of females.

We can debate the reasons for the disparity -- leadership stereotyping, lack of mentoring, exclusion from development, positions that don't create a career track to the top and time out for family. None of this is fair. None of it is right. But in the long run, none of it is going to be particularly important.

In the time it would take to dismantle the machinery of exclusion and inequity, events will do the job for us.

Economic growth will be in the service sector, where women are well represented and where, one could argue, the path to the senior ranks is more open than in industries that have been historically male dominated. Also, factor in the millions of female entrepreneurs starting new businesses; and the fact that organizations with females at the highest levels have more females being positioned to follow.

All things considered, the demand for female talent is going to grow exponentially. But what about the supply? Do women want to surge to the top the way they surged to the middle? And if they do, what does that mean to family life as we have come to know it?

Listen to many women, and the conversation trends toward that improbable state of being called work-life balance. For anybody who has tried to find, let alone maintain, that balance, time is the merciless variable. The ancient Egyptians measured daylight, twilight and darkness and came up with the idea of a 24-hour day. Nothing has changed since then.

One issue emerging in the inevitability of the female rise to power is what it means to those who have held that power throughout time. This has never happened before. We simply don't know what it means or where it will take us.

Can men evolve psychologically to match how women have evolved financially? We have eons of emotional wiring to unravel here.

There are more women with more education and more independence making more money than at any time in our history. How fast and in what numbers will they rise to positions of top leadership? And what will that mean to the fundamentals of organizations and families.

The power structures are changing. We are in the process of witnessing how new structures will work, and the world they will create.

 
 
 

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Junaid Noori
09:33 PM on 11/23/2011
I don't think the author has put forward any persuasive arguments. I don't even think she knows what she's saying. She's confusing college graduation with income pay, recessionary trends with feminist equality, "shifting power structures" with the value of a person. The article is laden with hypnotizing jargon that has confused almost everyone in the comments section. It's no wonder people have mistaken this as a celebratory hoora for the conquest of men by women.

I was walking through Iran a few months ago, and I went into Azad university. I had a chat with the professor of applied physics and he told me that 75% of his graduate students are women. There is not a single Western university that boasts such an astonishing ratio in the applied sciences. He reasoned (and I bought his argument) that because of the economic downturn, male, college-aged Iranians are trying to find work quickly, either with their father or their friends (maybe even start a business) while Iranian girls are afforded the luxury of having parents pay their tuition and not be expected to play the role of breadwinner. The same argument can be made on a global level. He argued that when college becomes valuable once more, men will come back in hordes.

I think what Peggy Drexler is crossing her fingers for is, in reality, an illusion. What we have is a momentary blip and is not the role reversal people think it is.
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Peggy Drexler
05:46 PM on 11/21/2011
One can parse the statistics, but there is no doubt that the blatant, discriminatory aspects of unequal pay are being driven out of the system.
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Peggy Drexler
09:30 PM on 11/20/2011
A 2008 University of Chicago study showed that male and female Chicago business school graduates start out making the same, but men make more after 10 years. The reason, the study concluded, was motherhood. You can argue that companies failing to support life balance is unfair to women. But the counter argument is that it’s also unfair to men.
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WilliamL
08:22 AM on 11/21/2011
The sooner women advance parenting issues as workplace issues faced by men and women as parents and not just a woman's issue, the sooner changes and gains might be achieved. There is a tendency among some women to treat men/fathers as second class parents when it is obvious with women advancing their careers/incomes men are and have been doing more and more as parents and in the home.

Although I am well aware that there are husbands/dads who do as little as nec as parents with the children, those men, I do believe, are not the majority anymore. I know plent of active, involved, nurturing fathers who are more involved in the day to day lives of their children than their wives/mothers.

When one looks at the content of the womens section and the sexual content of so many of the posts, on a basic level, having the parenting section included in the same section is questonable but more so it gives the impression that parenting issues are only women's issues.

Not only the content of much of that found in the parenting/womens section but the way in which men/husbands are portrayed and bashed by some has cultivated a level of hostility and negativity. I my self have read so of these post/articles/and responses and have simply shook my head at the nastiness of some towards men as fathers/husbands and simply people.
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Sheldon archer
Facebook name is Yuyun Archer
07:33 PM on 11/20/2011
Sorry to go against the grain but if all this was applied to the animal kingdom, they would be extinct in a very short time. Glad that I moved from the UK to Indonesia where the women are content to be mothers and wives. Been married for nine years without a single fight or even an argument. Never known my wife to be in a bad mood or not smiling. She claims that this is because she always feels happy. She WANTS to be treated like a woman. She will start wrestling matches with me to prove to herself that I am stronger than she is. She is no dummy. She is university educated and enjoys computer programming and the most difficult Sudoku. But above all she is a woman. She does not desire me to assist in the kitchen but rather to be her Mr. Fixit. You can keep your career women thank you very much.
08:23 AM on 11/21/2011
Does she have any single female friends or relatives, 18 to 25?
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Sheldon archer
Facebook name is Yuyun Archer
05:31 PM on 11/21/2011
Plenty and if you are serious about that question you can contact her on Facebook (Yuyun Archer) or namayuyun@yahoo.co.uk
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Peggy Drexler
03:00 PM on 11/20/2011
Whether the rebalancing is because more women are getting higher paying jobs or more men are forced to accept lower paying jobs (actually both, I suspect) is not really the point. The point is how does it changes family life.
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Olderandwiser55
getting older and wiser....
06:10 PM on 11/20/2011
Men are better fathers these days. What if fathers really took care of half of the cleaning, cooking and child care.....what if they dressed the kids, bathed them, helped with homework.....that's already happening in many homes.
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WilliamL
08:00 AM on 11/21/2011
I would include marriage/married life in the question. A dynamic that is reg overlook/diregarded in the conversation.
02:15 PM on 11/20/2011
The decline of education in the US can probably be correlated to the time that women have 'gone to work'. The answer is to revise the education system to compensate, not to systemically dismantle our education system and replace it with segregated cubicles of learning based on wealth, religion, color, race, or any other discrimination that the little engine of human bigotry can conjure up.

It is open society, and public education that have made America great. Isolationism is a fantasy of conservatives the world over. "If only we could isolate ourselves from all of that stuff that prevents us from self preservation and from doing what WE want, the world would be a better place", they fantasise.

Hitler tried it, Stalin tried it, and virtually every despot in the history of human kind has tried it. Like 'tax cuts', it just doesn't work, because humans are elevated by civilization (aka society), not by the wishes and dreams of a people who use the refuge of personal wealth to extend their refuge to everything and everyone around them :-) Their fears and their views of perfection become the zoos and that cages in which the rest of the world is managed and contained. It's an impossible dream, that is rooted in the worst instincts of human endeavor.
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mrhandyman3105
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01:14 PM on 11/20/2011
By Republican standards, women belong back at home barefoot, pregnant, taking care of the kids, cleaning the house, and making sure that dinner is on the table when the man gets home.

According to the Republicans, we need to put America "back" on course. And that involves putting women in their rightful place. Back in the home where they should be where the man is head of the household and makes all the decisions as he deems necessary for his family.

All of which I totally "disagree" with.

I believe that women should share "equally" in everything that are able to.
And that includes pay and benefits in any job(s) they take.

But most of all, I believe that men should share equally in maintaining a home and raising the kids too. That is why marriage is called a "Partnership in Life".
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Olderandwiser55
getting older and wiser....
06:06 PM on 11/20/2011
True. Men are more involved as fathers-maybe because women demand it, maybe because men have evolved. I also believe it should be a true partnership. Someday, maybe articles will look to men when they talk about "what happens to the family".
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RagMag
still living a Ragtime Life
09:26 AM on 11/20/2011
Female equality on male terms is a bad deal for all humanity.

The one thing women might to do help us all they refuse to consider.

That would be a return to mother led families - the family name passed down from mother to daughter not father to son.

Nothing would change human existence more. From the atomized father led family failures to growing networks of mother led families in a new female re-enculturization.

Why do you think mothers cry at weddings?
08:02 AM on 11/20/2011
Evolution is changes in genetic makeup, not advances or regressions in culture. The service economy is a decadent economy and the perversions of "evolved" roles for males and females will right themselves when the economy does.
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WilliamL
05:33 AM on 11/20/2011
Of these employment/income numbers, it sd. also be considered/remembered that there is a segment of the work force that has continued to remain dominated by males and their work is critical to the employment/economic advances made by women as well as enable economic activity to exist at all.

With two wars going on and the current body count from ten years of two wars and a dailly body count that gets lost in the day to days hoo haa of non-sense such as Kardashians and dancing with stars and so on and so forth.

This work force is predominantly male. It sd be remember by all including women that the economy/economic situation is does not just happen. Trade routes, domestic security, international trade-does not happen by majic or good wishes, a male dominated work for enables it to happen. Yes women are in the military/security but is male dominated.

This dynamic sd not be over looked when posting on the changes dynamics of the work force and income/employment advances of women. All civilians enjoy the benefits of the sacrafices of others and women need to be reminded that their income and employment has occured at a high price of others. Near 30,000 have been maimed in combat, heading towards 10,000 have been killed in combat following the events of 9-11. Of those causalties/killed, most were men.
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nix28
Ignorance stirs my inner demon...Sorry.
07:04 PM on 11/19/2011
While I still believe that we need to continue pushing for workplace equality, I also believe that it will come about solely due to the social, educational, and vocational environments that are being created right now. With more women graduating, going off to college, getting advanced degrees, and entering the workforce, it will not be possible to maintain a male-dominated workforce at any level.

I also believe that social roles have shifted and will continue to shift so that family life is more balanced, meaning that mothers and fathers are working together rather than either party picking up the bulk of family duties. I also hope that there will be more flexibility for men that opt to be stay at home fathers or that need to leave work to take care of family issues. We're definitely getting there, but we do need to keep pushing. We also have to have patience. As society continues to evolve, so will everything that touches it.
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Peggy Drexler
06:06 PM on 11/19/2011
To those who interperted my piece as some kind of score-card proof that women are “winning”, it’s really about adjustment to a rebalancing of economic power. Certainly, there is good news and bad news in every statistic.
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WilliamL
05:05 AM on 11/20/2011
Although you may not be advancing this post as a score card, there is the attitude out there amongst a certain circle of females that advances a cometition between men and women. It does seem that some women look at employment numbers as a level of vindication for the ill behavior of men in the past, social and employment standards and policies that disfavor women, and there does seem to be a level of joy with some women regarding income/employment numbers.

Combine this mentality of some with the sex/power model of female empowerment being advaced by some and do believe there are those who find the combonation of it all to be offensive on a number of levels. Too often in most of these posts, there is a lack of recognition and respect given by those men, fathers, husbands who have actively contributed to and supported women/families/children by means other than financial contributions. There is an increasing tendency to demonize all men in the same way that some men demonize all women.

Despite the shift in employment numbers/income, we are living in an economic situation that has waged war on men and women, families and the negative impacts are all around in loss of homes. livlihoods, as well as families and marriages. Women sd not be reveling in changes that have negatively impacted half of the working population in this country.
07:05 AM on 11/21/2011
Where's the balance on family power ?
07:40 PM on 11/18/2011
I hope you're right. But changing those structures is going to require either very heavy engagement or else a lot of patience.

A slow thaw for women http://wp.me/p1xS1Q-3X
04:03 PM on 11/18/2011
"Can men evolve psychologically to match how women have evolved financially?"

Let me try something... "Can women evolve psychologically to match how men have succeeded in science?"
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nix28
Ignorance stirs my inner demon...Sorry.
07:10 PM on 11/19/2011
Or we could say, "Can men evolve psychologically to match how women have succeeded in teaching, or nursing, or mental health, or childcare...?"

This isn't a comparison of evolution, in my book. I think the author is asking, since women's roles have changed drastically in the last 50 years, whether men are able to grow enough to accept those changes. I also think that men's roles have changed, and we as women need to be mature enough to accept that evolution as well. If we can't grow together, we'll be stuck in a gender war, and I'm sure that I don't want to go back to a male-dominated society, just as I'm sure that men would not want to live in a female-dominated society, either.
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03:36 PM on 11/20/2011
What does "grow enough" mean? What changes do men need to make? From what I've read, many men are adapting to changes in women's success by breathing a sigh of relief and stepping off the treadmill, or at least reducing their output and stress levels. Men haven't exactly been enjoying the amount of work our consumerist society demands. Now that women are willing and encouraged to jump on the treadmill and create their own purchasing power, some men are enjoying their "less neededness" by reducing thier production and consumption. This will also help the pay gap as men realize they don't need the huge income to enjoy life, and choose easier, lesser paying jobs. Sounds like they are adapting nicely.
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giftsthatpurr
zestful life
11:19 PM on 11/19/2011
I don't believe Ms Drexler was considering this to be a competition, but women are already "evolving" in science, and have been for some time.
08:43 AM on 11/18/2011
"Can men evolve psychologically to match how women have evolved financially? We have eons of emotional wiring to unravel here. "

What's that even supposed to mean? Can't anybody simply write a female positive article without slipping in a dig against the men?

From what I've seen in my 46 years, the average woman is hardly more psychologically evolved than the average man! And this from a psychologist?!
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Olderandwiser55
getting older and wiser....
06:17 PM on 11/20/2011
Parenting, being a caregiver....men have excelled in other areas. Being a good parent might give men equal rights in that area....men have traditionally not entered the caregiving fields
06:56 AM on 11/21/2011
I think that men have come a lot further in welcoming women into our traditional arenas than women have been about welcoming us into theirs.

From what I've seen of the women and men in my life both at work and at home, a comment that one gender is somehow more psychologically evolved than the other is laughable. On both sides I see a pretty broad spectrum. On both sides I see exemplary humans as well as childish idiots.

And when it comes to work I see an awful lot of women that could use some psychological development -- especially when it comes to making a hostile environment for someone they don't like for whatever reason and also for creating drama,
Morrisfactor
Just a little bent
12:43 PM on 11/21/2011
Olderandwiser-

I was an excellent male parent, the one who got up at night to feed my daughter, took her to doctors, dance, school, sports, etc. Didn't make a whit of difference when my ex filed for divorce and the judge proclaimed; "I don't know of any judge who would give custody to a father."

I have a good friend who is a male nurse - he experienced much abuse and discouragement during nursing school - only the fact that he was extremely stubborn enabled him to graduate.

And due to the demonization of men - that we are all rapists or child molesters, few men are willing to enter the fields of teaching children anymore, for fear we might be accused of something.

I have not found any evidence that Feminism is really about equality, it just seems to be a naked power grab.