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Men Behaving Badly: How Not To Pick Up A Woman

Posted: 09/11/2012 3:00 am

After divorce, I dipped my toe into online dating. More precisely, I cannonballed into a boiling lake of boys by joining OkCupid, EHarmony and Match.com simultaneously. I don't recommend this strategy. Before feathers get ruffled, let me say that online dating works for some people. I'm going to a wedding for one such couple that found love online, and I'm helping another couple move in together who met via the World Wide Web. It just wasn't for me, or I wasn't for it.

About two weeks into the adventure, I checked my various account inboxes, feeling overwhelmed by the volume of hellos, winks, pokes and painfully awkward introductory messages. "I'm a practicing Wiccan" may be true, but it's not a good introductory statement. I started instant messaging with a guy from OkCupid who invited me for a drink. I mulled it over -- worst case scenario: a free drink, mediocre date, something to do on a Friday night. Best case scenario: Love at first sight! Hallmark soul mates! Since my other option involved watching the Food Network with a cat-hair covered afghan, I agreed.

I dolled up; I was nervous because it was my first in-person meeting with anyone from online dating. The bar was a nondescript sports pub in a strip mall, near my place. (Note to worried readers: The parking lot was well lit, I texted two people to say where I was going and my expected return, and I Googled the bar to check for any weird stuff.) Peeking through the front door, he looked normal enough. We exchanged introductions and ordered beers. He gave me the twice over, nodded his head, and thus it began -- the worst first date.

Within five minutes, he said he liked my profile pictures because I "didn't do the fancy camera angle that makes women's arms look slimmer and their tits look bigger." My eyebrows shot up. It was an odd comment to make, but I wanted to give him the benefit of the doubt. Maybe he was nervous, I thought, or maybe he drank several beers already and felt loose-lipped.

He proceeded to whip out what I can only assume was the prepared set of questions for all dates. For the next twenty minutes, I was peppered with questions like: "You are walking alone in the desert and you come across a cube. How big is the cube? What color is the cube? How does that color make you feel? Can you see inside the cube? How big is the cube compared to the desert? You see a ladder. Is the ladder leaning on the cube? What color is the ladder? What is the distance between the cube and the ladder? You see a horse. What is the distance between the cube and the horse? What color is the horse?"

And on... and on. Apparently "The Cube" is a personality quiz meant to illuminate the true self and make the quizzer look insightful. Total fail. I haven't the foggiest idea what he gleaned by revealing that my ego is a shiny red box about the size of a throw pillow. I'd already passed on ordering food, knowing this would not be a long evening. He wasn't finished yet, though:

Him: "When I say flowers, what's the first kind that comes to mind?"
Me: "Um, roses?"
Him: "Oh, then you're a hopeless romantic who wants to be whisked off on a horse by a prince and taken care of. You're high maintenance."
Me: "Or, there's a bouquet of fake roses on the faux fireplace mantle behind you."
Him: "Try again."
Me: "Okay, I'm thinking of a multi-stemmed cluster of bright flowers. Peonies perhaps."
Him: "You're going to have lots of kids."

Seriously? Nervous or not, his pop psych questions rolled up into a resounding strike one. I steered the conversation towards him -- why meet at this bar, how does he spend his free time, what did he think about online dating. I told him that my marriage dissolved in large part due to cheating and that I was branching out to meet people. He nodded and replied that that hanging out at bars was "like a hobby." I rolled with the comment and asked what about bars did it for him. "I like bars because you can smack women's asses and get away with it. Hahaha." I blinked. What exactly is an appropriate response? Strike two. The nosedive continued.

He mentioned a child and I asked about his former significant other. He chuckled, took a sip of beer and replied, "I love my kid, but my wife was a real bitch. We were married for 10 years, then I got bored and cheated on her." Strike three.

I darted to the ladies room, shaking my head at the audacity of this asshole. I returned, looked him in the eye and said, "Let me give you some advice. I don't appreciate the use of 'tits' referencing women, especially when I first meet a guy, or smacking asses as an activity. I don't date cheaters, especially those that are fairly unreformed. Good luck." I went to shake his hand and he refused, saying "I don't shake women's hands." Apparently hands aren't for holding, but asses are for grabbing.

The next day I received a message on OkCupid from him. I thought perhaps it was an apology and softened a bit. Not that I'd see him again, but it would indicate that at least he recognized what a buffoon he'd been. The email read, "You are such a prude - there's nothing wrong with saying 'tits.' I got the impression you are sexually repressed."

Please. Have some respect. I blocked him and deleted my OkCupid profile -- along with those on EHarmony and Match.com. Thus began and ended my very brief post-divorce online dating stint. At least I got a free drink and a story out of it.

 

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After divorce, I dipped my toe into online dating. More precisely, I cannonballed into a boiling lake of boys by joining OkCupid, EHarmony and Match.com simultaneously. I don't recommend this strategy...
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02:32 PM on 10/11/2012
Wow this reminds me of a date I went on during my separation 6 yrs ago. All this man did was stare at my breasts. He never stopped but maybe once!
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TisKishnsing
Brutal logic, unexpected honesty
01:46 PM on 09/15/2012
datin in bar is so not cool
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TisKishnsing
Brutal logic, unexpected honesty
01:45 PM on 09/15/2012
1. Don't ask her if she can make u a sandwich
2. follow her lead
3. if anything goes wrong, go back to rule 2 while keeping #1. in mind
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12:07 AM on 09/15/2012
My credit card got rejected on a first date.

...it was also my our last date.
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Xak999
It came out of the faucet that way...
04:11 AM on 09/22/2012
Did that really happen GeorgeSmiley2010?

What a LOUSY establishment to not have the decency to request that you remove yourself from your situation and speak to you privately about it. A host or hostess, wait-person and bus-person can usually tell if two people are on a date. There IS such a thing as a mistake (whether it was 'validly' rejected or not is beside the point). And a woman who wouldn't give you the benefit of the doubt about something like that is obviously far too shallow to continue with anyway. It would be nice to say that having the card rejected may have saved you from a callous person, but am pretty confident if it were to happen to me in the city i live in, the reaction would be pretty much the same.

I was with a new client at a Saks Fifth Avenue and needed to purchase a small gift and for some reason they rejected my card--hardly any balance on it--for a reason that was fixed in a phone call, but never saw that client again. But in a case when you are on a date, it's situations like those that make a lot of guys feel like nothing but fertilizer with wallets to most (didn't say all) women.
11:48 PM on 09/14/2012
"He proceeded to whip out ...." When I read that I yelled "avert your eyes and run..." whew, only questions, still run...
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07:28 PM on 09/14/2012
My only question is, why did you stay on that date as long as you did? I mean, it's great material for an article, but wow.
05:26 PM on 09/14/2012
Ever notice if someone is on 1 dating site they are usually on 2 or 3 others if not more? You used to be able to browse these sites without paying to join and it was the same people everywhere. I agre with the poster who said women are somewhere between what they think they want, what their girlfriends tell them they need to want, and their mothers tell them, co workers, what they read or hear and many other sources that could include a therapist, a probation officer, a shrink, a minister, a next door neighbor, her sister or a favorite celebrity. Keep it simple and just be polite and courteous like your mama taught you is a good rule of thumb. You may come off as boring and predictable on a first date but boring and predictable means safety and no hidden unpleasent surprises and that puts you in the options category for another time when she is bored and dosent want to doll up and have her date face on. You will have plenty of time to show her your interesting unique skills, talents, bizzare humour, worldly wisdom, opinions and all the amusements you can provide later on.
02:51 PM on 10/09/2012
Great advice Steve! lol! You should know huh? The man that sneaks around all of those dating sites even when his girlfriend is in the same house!! Very rich!!!
04:26 PM on 09/14/2012
Uhhh, yeah. Umm, even among us guys, that was totally weird. Truthfully, any first date is an icebreaker, and a chance to get to know someone, make conversation and see where it goes, either friendship, a possible romance or just a nice pleasant conversation with someone at a bar. This was totally out there.
03:49 PM on 09/14/2012
Sounds like she found her Prince Charming. Why let him go?
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giaw66666
The voice of reason.
02:41 PM on 09/14/2012
Lolol, ok this was amusing. I have to give you credit because after his first "reference" I would've been gone. I'm amazed at how many men are so clueless and classless. Is it really that difficult to be polite?? I've decided I'm better off solo and I have to say I'm much happier. : )
Good luck to all you daters out there!
01:25 PM on 09/14/2012
I am a man, and I agree with you, that guy does NOT sound like "Long term relationship material!"-You were wise to steer clear of him!
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Zalkreb
12:08 PM on 09/14/2012
How is a woman who has been on one first date with an online contact a reliable source of practical information about how a man should behave on a first date?

Obviously, she's not. As comedy, this blog works. As practical advice, it's not so great.

Guys, if you want to learn what to do on a first date, or any date, watch and question guys who are big-time lady-killers. See what they wear, how they behave, ask them what they say, what they do. You'll probably be surprised what you learn. But if it works, it works.

Pay very little attention to what women say they want. Much if not most of what attracts a woman to a man occurs below her level of conscious awareness. The rest is twisted by what she thinks she should want, what her girlfriends tell her to want, what her mother told her and, for all I know, what she reads while standing in the grocery checkout line. Whatever its source, it's largely useless, except for comic relief.
04:31 PM on 09/14/2012
I don't know about that. One first date I went on was going great until she said "One thing I hate is nice guys". And I had flowers waiting for her in the car! I knew as a prospect I was done! Still, we had a nice meal and enjoyable conversation. :)
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Tazirai
Society is not your friend.
07:30 PM on 09/14/2012
I agree. Alot of my friends always ask How I get this or that woman. It's amusing when I tell them Confidence, Hygiene, and Charisma. NOT Arrogance, Body Odor, or Low self esteem.

Over the past 2 years I think i've spent MAYBE 100 dollars total on various dates, But that's the key, let her know what YOU want, and find out what she expects. They are often VERY different.
truckingfarmer
Don't blame me, I voted for Romney
11:55 AM on 09/14/2012
You escaped a fate worst than death, a date with an egotist.
11:51 AM on 09/14/2012
I agree that being honest and up front on the online dating sites is the only way to have positive results. I met my husband on eharmony, which of course, I think is the best of the dating sites. I had also been on match at one time. I don't think you should try to be on several dating sites at the same time, try one for awhile if it doesn't pan out try another. The eharmony site makes you go through a lot of back and forth via their site before you can venture off and talk or meet with the other person, which I find helps weed out anyone who isn't really serious. There are a lot of strange people out there, but if you on line chat/email and talk by phone for a bit before you actually meet someone face to face, I think you get to meet people that are more of what you might be looking for.
10:10 AM on 09/14/2012
I have to laugh at this story...

AOL's draw to see this story is "What Men Should NEVER Do On A First Date"...

but when you read the story the question that springs to mind is "On a FIRST Date??!!" On what date would this be OK?
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vitazen65
12:30 PM on 09/14/2012
lmao................. none