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Pawlenty Proposal: Worst American Tax Plan Ever

Posted: 06/17/11 04:22 PM ET

There's finally a serious Republican tax proposal on the table, and it's a plan which deserves consideration.

The nation, of course, now has a massive budget deficit. Not since four straight years of surplus under Bill Clinton has the government broken even much less had a few spare dollars. Under President George W. Bush the deficit increased by $4.35 trillion and it has also increased under President Obama.

Obama, of course, inherited not just a massive deficit that topped $10 trillion the day he entered office, he also took on the expenses of the Iraq and Afgan wars which began years before, as well as an economy that was in tatters as a result of the mortgage meltdown, falling real estate values and Wall Street bailouts.

Now comes Republican presidential candidate Tim Pawlenty, a former Minnesota governor and social conservative, with a detailed proposal to right the government and the economy. The specifics look like this:

Reagan

"Between 1983 and 1987," says Pawlenty, "the Reagan recovery grew at 4.9%. Between 1996 and 1999, under President Bill Clinton and a Republican Congress the economy grew at more than 4.7%. In each case millions of new jobs were created, incomes rose and unemployment fell to historic lows. The same can happen again."

What's not said is this: Reagan raised taxes. According to Bruce Bartlett, Reagan signed off on at least 11 tax increases during his presidency -- and Bartlett is hardly a liberal. He served as senior policy analyst for President Reagan and was the deputy assistant secretary for economic policy at the Treasury Department during the George H.W. Bush administration.

Tax Rates

Pawlenty says,

On the individual rates we need a simpler, fairer and flatter tax system overall. I propose just two rates, 10% and 25%. Under my plan, those who currently pay no income tax would stay at a zero rate. After that, the first fifty-thousand dollars of income or one-hundred thousand for married couples would be taxed at 10%. Everything above that would be taxed at 25%. That's it.

This is essentially a version of the flat-tax plan long advocated by fiscal conservatives such as Steve Forbes, an heir to the Forbes magazine fortune.

If enacted the Pawlenty proposal would create massive unemployment among accountants, make doing taxes a snap and, alas, bankrupt the country. It would lower the margin top rate for billionaires from today's 35 percent to 25 percent. Given lower tax rates, less money would flow into the government, a government which already has a massive deficit. In comparison, the top marginal tax rate under President Reagan was 69% and 92% under President Eisenhower, 91% under Kennedy, 77% under Nixon and Johnson, and 39.6% under Clinton.

No Taxes For The Rich

"In addition," says Pawlenty, "we should eliminate all together the capital gains tax, interest income tax, dividends tax and the death tax. Government has no moral or economic basis to claim a second share of the same income. When you deposit a dollar in your bank account. Every penny should be forevermore yours and your children's. Not the federal government's."

To understand what Pawlenty is saying, look at the mechanics of his proposal: If you earn $50,000 a year from work and overtime your income will be subject to the income tax. If you make $50,000 a year from interest, dividends or selling stock you pay zero. If you make $100 million a year from interest, dividends or selling stock you pay zero. If you inherit $20 million there will be no tax.

The Pawlenty tax program, if enacted, would split the country in two. Most households would be taxed on all the income they bring in -- because all the income they bring in is from labor -- while the richest among us would pay little or nothing to support what would be left of the government.

The Pawlenty plan is great for the wealthy, a gift to plutocrats and those who believe the government should be made smaller, really smaller, by reducing tax revenues. The Pawlenty proposals would create a patrician class while denying money to the government for Medicare or Medicaid. If a tornado, hurricane, earthquake or fire hits your town, too bad. You won't get a dime in federal assistance unless the money can be taken from elsewhere in the budget. Since there will be very few dollars in the federal budget, good luck.

Corporations

"American businesses today pay the second highest tax rates in the world," says the former Minnesota governor. "That's a recipe for failure, not adding jobs and economic growth. We should cut the business tax rate by more than half. I propose reducing the current rate from 35% to 15%."

The obvious point is that corporations are not paying the official tax rates. What they actually pay are the effective tax rates and those rates are often zero and less than zero.

Here's an example:

"General Electric, the nation's largest corporation, had a very good year in 2010," reports The New York Times. "The company reported worldwide profits of $14.2 billion, and said $5.1 billion of the total came from its operations in the United States.

"Its American tax bill? None. In fact, G.E. claimed a tax benefit of $3.2 billion." (See: G.E.'s Strategies Let It Avoid Taxes Altogether, March 24, 2011)

GE, of course, is not the only corporate behemoth that benefits from massive tax loopholes. Oil companies, tech firms and banks -- among others -- pay less than their share and when they pay lower taxes and no taxes because of lobbyists and overseas tax havens guess who pays more?

Combine little if any taxes for major corporations along with the right to make unlimited political donations under Citizens United decision and you get representation without taxation, the exact opposite of the traditional arrangement.

In the end -- and no matter how dressed up -- what Pawlenty and others like him are proposing is not a new tax plan, it's a new society, one without a safety net, something along the lines of what they have in Mexico, Haiti, Romania and Brazil; places where a few rich live in great splendor, most live in poverty, kidnapping is common, bribery is rampant, and no street is safe.
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There's finally a serious Republican tax proposal on the table, and it's a plan which deserves consideration. The nation, of course, now has a massive budget deficit. Not since four straight years of...
There's finally a serious Republican tax proposal on the table, and it's a plan which deserves consideration. The nation, of course, now has a massive budget deficit. Not since four straight years of...
 
 
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Peter G. Miller
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02:20 AM on 06/20/2011
If you think the last paragraph is overstated, consider this:

In Rio De Janeiro, "photographers and cameramen from The Associated Press on the scene have seen hundreds of police officers and troops invading the Mangueira shantytown, backed by helicopters and several armored vehicles."

See: World Cup 2014: Brazilian Police Raid Slum To Secure Stadium

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/06/19/world-cup-2014-maracana-raid_n_880120.html
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Hoosierbrad
I know it when I see it.
08:21 PM on 06/19/2011
Gov. Pawlenty is merely following a long list of Republicans who want to starve our government of funding until it is small enough to flush down the drain. They will then wish to open the drain. The result - modern feudalism, with the rich being the feudal lords, and us peons the serfs economically dependent upon their beneficence. Of course, knowing these guys beneficence, we serfs will all starve to death.
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Peter G. Miller
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08:42 PM on 06/19/2011
Whether stated or not, the effective idea is to go back to the era before the first President Roosevelt when there were no income taxes, no regulations and no safety net. This made possible such things as the Triangle Shirtwaist fire.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Triangle_Shirtwaist_Factory_fire
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Hoosierbrad
I know it when I see it.
08:54 PM on 06/19/2011
Exactly, I have given that example myself in posts on HuffPo. Nice to see how we think alike.
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12:23 PM on 06/19/2011
Tax laws made it easier to lay off workers, sell assets to pay off dividends. Short term stupidity for America. Put tax incentive to labor will make more jobs. Incentives to unearn income means more speculation and risky behavior like the real estate bubble. But the reason we have taxes is to pay for government, they just can't be zeroed out.
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12:03 PM on 06/19/2011
CEOs: why pay taxes on a pay check when you can get stock options and dividends. Of course that doesnt apply to us little folks.
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tubette
10:32 AM on 06/19/2011
It seems very clear to most thinking people , but for some odd reason the conservatives can't understand math and probably are working with less than facts to begin with.
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camelias and sweet tea
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08:13 PM on 06/18/2011
If the REALLY want to be like St. Ronnie, RAISE TAXES, that is what he did.
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Peter G. Miller
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08:29 PM on 06/18/2011
This is exactly right. Mr. Bartlett has the list on his site:

http://capitalgainsandgames.com/blog/bruce-bartlett/1632/reagans-tax-increases

This is a good link to have whenever folks explain how Reagan "lowered taxes...." I know it's unfair, but sometimes facts and reality ought to count.
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Lordstrom
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12:26 PM on 06/18/2011
Thanks for making the case that I should vote for Pawlenty. Btw, making money in capital gains and interest is far riskier than taking home a paycheck. A Fair Tax system would make all of it moot anyway, but liberals cling to super complicated tax code for it's redistribution properties at the expense of the tax payer.
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Peter G. Miller
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01:38 PM on 06/18/2011
Lord --

How, exactly, are capital gains and interest more risky than labor? But, more importantly, why is a dollar not a dollar for tax purposes, regardless of how earned?
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Lordstrom
A right-wing stock trader and buddhist
02:03 PM on 06/18/2011
You can't lose money working at a job, sir. As to your second question, income taxes in general are repugnant. But when you're doing something that has the risk of LOSING money, taxes make even less sense. Why artificially diminish the returns on investments? Why punish economic growth?
06:03 PM on 06/18/2011
Read the very last part of the article.

It says something I have being saying. (Nice for somebody else to say it.)

The streets won't be safe.

With grinding poverty for the masses, do you really think the high and mighty rich will enjoy the freedom to walk the streets and do as they please like they do today?

Destroy prosperity of the lower classes and the upper classes will live in fear of them.
Like they do in some countries today.
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Peter G. Miller
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08:33 PM on 06/18/2011
Thanks. There's a parallel article saying we can RAISE Social Security benefits at:

http://twurl.nl/wtk0ua
10:31 PM on 06/17/2011
The paragraph "No Taxes For the Rich" is the scariest of all. A permanent idle rich class, with the rest of us picking up the slack in paying taxes. I fear we are headed back to a modern version of the Middle Ages, complete with feudalism, religion trumping science, the Crusades, and a modern political version of the Inquisition.
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Aerin Gael
Eternal vigilance is the price of liberty.
02:15 PM on 06/19/2011
Agreed, this is at the root of our economic problems.
http://www.businessinsider.com/the-truth-about-the-economy-in-two-minutes-2011-6
10:01 PM on 06/17/2011
Instead of slaying the people that are trying to fix the problem maybe the Dems should come up with some ideas themselves. Obviously the ones Obama came up with have failed. How about Plan B? If you spend less time tearing down ideas and more time thinking of new solutions I bet we could work together and fix the economy before it all goes down the toliet.
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Peter G. Miller
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10:40 PM on 06/17/2011
Sure. Here are some starters.

Increase Social Security benefits by taxing ALL income, not just labor wages up to $106,800.

See: http://twurl.nl/wtk0ua

End the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan. End the drug war -- this would reduce government spending as well as bankrupt the Taliban and gangs in Mexico and elsewhere. Spend half the money saved to re-build America, to fund new energy-saving technologies and to make health coverage available to all. Spend the other half to pay down the deficit.

Tax the profits of all companies that operate in the US, less their actual tax payments abroad -- even if their alleged "home office" is in an overseas tax haven. Let's see how many want to give up the US market.

See: http://twurl.nl/z5fxsj

And this is just a start.
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Hoosierbrad
I know it when I see it.
08:25 PM on 06/19/2011
Expand your idea to Medicare taxes and we take care of two problems. One other, tax all income the same, whether earned or unearned. For estate taxes, I have a simple idea - give the estate a deduction of all taxes the decedent paid during his/her lifetime, and then tax the remainder as if was income to the beneficiaries.
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egal
Reality disagrees with Conservative assessments
01:16 AM on 06/18/2011
The Dems have plenty of ideas. Unfortunately, the GOP is against the wealthy and corporations paying fair taxes and no longer getting taxpayer money to unnecessarily supplement their massive incomes.

Which takes any rational plan off the table and leaves only the GOP's irrational plans for the rest of us to tear down because, frankly, there is NOTHING worthwhile in them. There can't be--they've refused to hear all the effective solutions. Apparently, they're not the only ones.
08:46 PM on 06/17/2011
Your question should be...should 'we the people' give the government more of our money to spend as they see fit, or should 'we the people' give our money to the rich to spend as they wish?.A question on who do we trust, and at the moment, I don't trust this government run by a liberal, who has absolutely no clue on how this economy is supposed to work
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shryock
It never is what it is anymore
10:02 PM on 06/17/2011
well, since you seem willing to give your money to some rich person to spend as they wish, i would like to sign up. i am rich and can always use more money to spend as i wish. please send a check.
04:53 PM on 06/20/2011
you're good....
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LeftCoastEng
Obsessed with failed trade
04:05 PM on 06/18/2011
"I don't trust this government run by a liberal, who has absolutely no clue on how this economy is supposed to work "

Yes, that Bush guy knew how the economy was supposed to work. There was a little trouble there at the end though.
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procrustes13
08:33 PM on 06/17/2011
The enemies of America should try to get Pawlenty in the presidency.
gconners
A Hard Rain's A-Gonna Fall
07:12 PM on 06/17/2011
"American businesses today pay the second highest tax rates in the world," says (Pawlenty).
As you note, they do not PAY the second highest rate of taxes, they just COULD, but most DON'T!
It wouldn't matter if the top tax rate were 90%. If a corporation pays 0%, what difference would it make?
Since I brought it up, in the 1950s, our top individual tax rate WAS over 90%. Few paid it. And, if they did, they had lots of money left anyway and lousy accountants!
I'm getting real tired of people screaming about, again as you note, "official tax rates", rather than telling the truth about "effective tax rates."
I think these people need to be called on it EVERY time they say it:
"Our corporate tax rate is too high!"
"Who pays the top rate?"
(cricket...cricket...)
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Peter G. Miller
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01:51 PM on 06/19/2011
It's very important to have higher marginal tax rates. Here's why:

If the highest marginal tax rate is 35 percent then deductions will be used to offset the top marginal rate. Virtually no one will pay 35 percent. If you make the top marginal rate, say 69 percent, as it was under Reagan, then deductions will be used to reduce the top marginal tax rate and it will be possible for people to actually pay 35 percent or 39 percent.
gconners
A Hard Rain's A-Gonna Fall
06:51 PM on 06/17/2011
Pawlenty says, "we should eliminate all together the capital gains tax, interest income tax, dividends tax and the death tax." On the "death tax" mis-speak (lie?), I think he meant the "estate or inheritance tax." There IS no "death tax."

So, can I see a show of hands from all the people who would love to have a Dad/Mom, Grandpa/Grandma or other relative leave them, say, $20-30+ million and spend the rest of your lives living off dividends, interest and capitals gains and NEVER pay a CENT in federal income tax OR payroll tax? It would REALLY make you feel like you were a part of something bigger, a part of a country, a society, an economy, etc., right???
07:29 PM on 06/17/2011
There are rich people who get it and think tax rates should be higher. See:

http://patrioticmillionaires.org/

The argument is not rich versus non-rich, it's greedy versus non-greedy.
12:14 PM on 06/18/2011
Warren Buffett has said the same thing numerous times - his tax rate is lower than his secretary's and he thinks his rate should be higher.
05:27 PM on 06/17/2011
Thankfully Pawlenty, and hence his plan, has no chance. If he ever did, he blew it when he backed off of his Obamneycare comments during the debate.
07:26 PM on 06/17/2011
Perkus --

I also doubt that Pawlenty will be the GOP nominee. That said, the same tax plan in one form or another or with another name is constantly trumpeted. The essential argument is that we can't have a better government or pay down the deficit because it would be unfair and immoral to tax those who get the most benefits from society. And yes, it does turn logic on its head.
04:56 PM on 06/17/2011
What's wrong with Pawlenty? Plenty!