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Where Is the Greed in Climate Change Markets?

Posted: 01/13/12 03:03 PM ET

Investors representing staggering sums of money gathered at the headquarters of United Nations to hear a day of discussions on climate risk and energy solutions this week.

The packed room included bankers, pension fund executives, policy-makers and the usual crowd of climate change professionals largely made up of consultants that cycle in and out of public and private organizations wearing different hats but often propounding the same message. Their message is one that seemed welcome in the last decade -- that markets could be harnessed to solve climate change problems, that a price on carbon emissions would be good not just for health but for businesses currently facing (in the oft-quoted Nicholas Stern phrase) "a result of the greatest market failure the world has seen."

Before the Great Recession diminished the appeal of markets, and before President Obama's anticlimactic appearance at the climate change negotiations in Copenhagen, banks and insurance companies were gearing up to provide business with the host of services that a trade in carbon emissions would require. From data services and engineering to legal interpretations and trading desks, a new industry representing ever-more lofty amounts would be created by finally encompassing all the world's largest economies in a single program, the promise went.

None of that happened. Climate change negotiations straggle on, bearing half the carcass of the Kyoto Protocol process with them as they attempt to bridge still-enormous gaps between developed and developing nations in a fast-evolving economic and political power structure.

It is hard to blame the U.N. or the enterprises with climate change businesses models for getting bogged down in the latest morass of global history. The organization was perhaps never the ideal body for handling the issue, but now it is in charge and a bureaucracy is entrenched to handle the ever-proliferating details of an ever-shrinking program.

But the biggest question for presenters at the U.N. event, sponsored by Ceres and its Investor Network on Climate Risk, went largely unasked: Where is the greed?

Greed is a strong word, but if the climate change community is serious about finding a market solution to the crisis they are so good at describing, it is also an effective one. Greed is an essential -- if sometimes toxic -- element in markets.

At the U.N. this week, esteemed scientists rolled out the dire forecasts based on compelling and huge data sets everyone is now familiar with. Dying species, costly weather events and sick children all were raised as specters of climate change, and there was little reason to discount the evidence.

Pension funds and state treasuries have led in responding to these fears, and as the appointed guarantors against our fears of destitution or havoc their actions are logical. The interest of the banks that must devise investments to sell them was equally self-evident, as was the presence of large data providers that will need to quantify everything so lawsuits can be avoided.

But no one made a compelling case for action. Fear is one emotion thoroughly covered by the climate change industry, greed is not.

The other side of the coin, the question of how money is made and how resource allocation based on ambition rather than horror are motivated to fight climate change through investment in reducing carbon emissions has yet to be answered by the climate change industry. Passing mention was made at the Ceres conference of new industries created by regulatory fiat in the past, but the examples of history largely fail to match the reach and pervasiveness of a subject like climate change and the resulting implied, or even explicated, doom.

To close the gap on climate change action, to reach a real and widely-held consensus, the debate needs to move beyond the science. For most people, the science barely matters in their individual and daily lives; increasingly only the doctrinaire on either side of the debate bother to argue it. Fear and greed drive markets in turn.

Climate change markets have fear down pat. Where is the greed?

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Investors representing staggering sums of money gathered at the headquarters of United Nations to hear a day of discussions on climate risk and energy solutions this week. The packed room included ba...
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BluePhantom2
The Blacksmith & the Artist reflected in their art
07:39 PM on 01/19/2012
Madness! The money folks will come when green energy provides a stable return on their investments without subsidy.
Genders
Love, Tolerance, Enlightenment
11:04 PM on 01/16/2012
Sorry, I haven't a clue what you are talking about. Greed is bad.

Green energy investment have beat the daylights out of fossil and nukes.,

So what is your beef?

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2011-11-25/fossil-fuels-beaten-by-renewables-for-first-time-as-climate-talks-founder.html.
08:15 PM on 01/15/2012
OK, say there's 100% agreement, we're significantly affecting climate change.

Problem is,there is ZERO agreement as to what can and/or should be done to slow this...or are we shooting for reversal....or is it too late & we need to move to adaptation? Green icon Jim Lovelock says a) it's already too late, and b) the ONLY thing that MIGHT work would be a global shift to 100% nuclear power in 10 years or less.

Who controls & receives the $hundreds of billions$ in carbon taxes you're talking about? Who decides if we should focus near term (switch from coal to natural gas) or long term (solar/wind/tidal)? How much is funneled to 'studies' and 'research'...how much to governments...how much to green companies? Which nations get how much?

Admit it, you KNOW it would be the most corrupt, geo-political money-grab in human history & would just devolve into global wealth redistribution. Surely, we'd be looking at maybe 10-25% of the money actually being used to 'do something' about climate change.

Look at how most states handled their 'big-tobacco' lawsuit money. It was supposed to be used for anti-smoking programs & to pay the healthcare costs they incurred, but MOST of the money got funneled into their general-fund accounts & used for everything EXCEPT what it was intended for.

Now imagine that on a global scale...yikes!
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artleads
Let's have a national retreat.
02:52 PM on 01/15/2012
I've disagreed with your outlook before, and will again here. Pandering to the mindset we have now is not the way to go. People are better than that. We can't afford the worldview that promotes industrial logging of rainforests to make our houses or cuts down the boreal forest to dig up tar. We just can't. Please try again with something more visionary.
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GEOENGINEERINGWATCH DOT ORG
12:14 AM on 01/15/2012
North Pole ‘Melting?’: Global Warming Alarmists Launch ‘Santa is Drowning’ Campaign to Raise Cash

By Madeline Morgenstern

http://www.globalclimatescam.com/2011/12/north-pole-%E2%80%98melting%E2%80%99-global-warming-alarmists-launch-%E2%80%98santa-is-drowning%E2%80%99-campaign-to-raise-cash/
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ClimateHawk
Think before posting.
08:45 PM on 01/15/2012
NSIDC tracks this kind of information:

http://nsidc.org/arcticseaicenews/files/2012/01/20110105_Figure3.png

or just go to www.nsidc.org and browse for all kinds of good stuff.
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02:21 PM on 01/17/2012
And updates from the University of Washington's Polar Science Center:

http://psc.apl.washington.edu/wordpress/research/projects/arctic-sea-ice-volume-anomaly/
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06:26 PM on 01/14/2012
Big Energy has consistenly showed the GREED side of the equation, not only in bankrolling denialists, but monopolizing "clean" energy solutions and disenfranchising ALL of us while reaping tens of billions of dollars from "fear" based programs like RES/RPS.

Germans actually modeled their response to the obvious environmental, economic and climate issues facing the world by ENGAGING AND INCLUDING regular people, not killing their wilderness and jacking up their rates for greenwashed power. Every person there has an opportunity to participate in the green economy as a PRODUCER of clean energy from their rooftop, and be paid fairly for doing so.

Contrast that with Bright Source (aka Chevron, BP, Morgan Stanley, etc.) bulldozing thousands of acres of healthy tortoise habitat to hugely hugely overbill us for solar power while our legislature forces us to buy this deadly wasteful power and refuses to implement the FIT that would make non-deadly local solar power available at half the cost. Corruption, greed and crony capitalism are alive and well in "climate change markets" as we speak.

The real question is - where is the populism? Where are the occupiers and tea partiers who should be demanding energy independence, economic benefits, property value increases and refusing to accept the eminent domain, destruction of recreational areas and crippling corporate welfare of Big Solar and Big Wind?
03:45 PM on 01/14/2012
We don't have carbon emissions markets for one reason - greed.

The Koch Brothers own the GOP, the Tea Party movement, and Congress. They also saturate the media with phony advertising. In addition oil companies get an $ 8 billion annual subsidy.

Green technology is an emerging market, but thanks to the GOP, we are destroying this market - at least in America. Abu Dhabi is investing heavily in solar energy. If an oil shiekdom recognizes that the Petro Party is over - what's wrong with the US?
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abbienormal
What hump?
12:35 PM on 01/14/2012
Greed, schmeed. What we need is an initial price on carbon set through regulations. Any economist knows that, without regulatory support, externalities are not priced.
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06:29 PM on 01/14/2012
as well as biodiversity destruction, water waste, embedded GHG emissions and other externalities that socialize the costs of ALL Big Energy (including deadly Big Solar and Big Wind) onto the commons, and privatize the profits.

clean, democratically-owned, affordable energy could be produced on our rooftops with a German style FIT, but our legislators and Big Enviros are fighting that, and instead greenwashing Chevron, BP, Goldman Sachs and friends. if anyone's gonna clean this Big Energy and Big Bank mess up, it will not be industry, government or corporate NGO's - it will have to come from the grassroots.
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ClimateHawk
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07:33 AM on 01/14/2012
There is money to be saved and made through energy efficiency and clean energy.

Here's a sales pitch to businesses: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lT-g__695Go&feature=player_embedded#!

The web site for more info: http://rmi.org/ReinventingFire
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06:30 PM on 01/14/2012
did you see that just a tiny new regulation on "phantom" power from mobile device chargers in CA will save enough energy every year to fully power 350,000 homes? 350,000! why is this not happening on every single piece of equipment and every structure and vehicle we have???
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MrBIgp
If I'm wrong, please show me
03:32 PM on 01/15/2012
What it the cost of compliance for this "tiny new" regulation.
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05:30 AM on 01/14/2012
There are less than 10 years left until human caused Climate Change becomes irreversible, according to the UN.

"A senior environmental official at the United Nations...says entire nations could be wiped off the face of the earth by rising sea levels if global warming is not reversed.....Coastal flooding and crop failures would create an exodus of "eco-refugees", threatening political chaos...governments have a 10-year window of opportunity to solve the greenhouse effect before it goes beyond human control...."

Link

http://tinyurl.com/6x8r9yc
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ClimateHawk
Think before posting.
07:40 AM on 01/14/2012
Meanwhile, people in Australia are dealing with a fierce heatwave.

http://worldnews.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2012/01/03/9909971-australia-in-grip-of-fierce-heatwave

You are out of touch with reality. Take a break and read up on what is really happening now.

I'd recommend http://climate.nasa.gov for a good overview, especially the key indicators section for the long term trends.
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06:06 PM on 01/14/2012
Aussies Shiver In Coldest Summer For 50 Years

http://news.sky.com/home/world-news/article/16133817

You are out of touch with reality. Take a break and read up on what is really happening now.
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gallon
Those who fail to remember history are, um
09:21 PM on 01/14/2012
Orkney has found that it is cold at the beach, apparently.
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banana republican
Next in line for crumbs from the King's Table
10:52 AM on 01/14/2012
@Orkneygal - you offer evidence that those who forget history are destined to repeat it. http://tucsoncitizen.com/wryheat/2011/04/20/earth-day-predictions/
Al Schrader
Don't limit your potential
04:45 AM on 01/14/2012
You can take a 10 gram piece of copper chilled to near absolute zero and suspend it in an evacuated (vacuum) glass cylinder suported by a micro-thread into a 77 degree F room. And in a short time it will be 77 o F room temperature same as everything else in the room. I discovered the reason why this occurs when I found the source of heat itself. Until now, everyone thought heat was caused by the atoms vibrating, but it is not. It's caused by something else. On paper, discovering this technology makes me the wealthiest person on earth....Alfred-
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Robert Fanney
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10:50 PM on 01/13/2012
Too much greed all around. That's the reason we're in this mess and you think it's a solution. What about the ambition for human progress? Heck Henry Ford paid his employees enough so that they could afford a Ford. His vision was long term. His company wasn't profitable for decades. But it changed the world and, in the end, created both tangible and intangible wealth. Well, the EV, wind, and solar are the energy and transportation systems that can mitigate climate change. There's money in it if you're willing to build the markets. But the massive influence of the oil industry is squashing these alternatives and brainwashing the masses. If the horse industry had the same influence as the oil interests, we'd probably still be riding horses.