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On Greens and Libertarians

Posted: 07/16/2012 1:52 pm

American political culture, campaign finance and ballot access laws, and the structure of our institutions have served to buttress the two party system. The basic structure of our politics has remained unchanged even as Americans themselves continue to move away from both parties.

Attempts to offer real third party choices reached their zenith with the independent candidacy of Ross Perot in 1992. Since then they've largely fallen flat, most spectacularly with the collapse of Americans Elect earlier this year.

Yet choices remain in the form of the Green Party and Libertarian Party, two hearty entities that continue to go nowhere electorally. Neither has the organization, fundraising, or name recognition for its nominees to do much more than a few percentage points this fall, if that.

Yet they have the potential to be remarkable spoilers to the parties that are closer in ideology to their own.

Imagine Jill Stein of the Green Party capturing a mere 1 percent of the vote in a state like Ohio but throwing the state to Mitt Romney and the Republicans as a result. Likewise, Gary Johnson need only keep a small amount of the popular vote in a state like New Mexico to keep the Obama campaign alive there.

Ralph Nader is blamed for handing Florida to the Republicans in 2000. That charge is overstated but the popular impression hurt Nader and the causes with which he associates. It will not do the Greens or Libertarians any long term favors to be viewed as spoilers.

It is rightfully disconcerting to many that parties which register so poorly in national polls can possibly throw an election. This is, of course, the result of an electoral college system firmly ingrained in American political life, a two party system, winner take all elections, etc. In essence, the main feature of our politics both prevent the widespread adoption of a multi party system but then allow those other parties the potential to play a hugely outsized role in a close election in any given state.

Why go through with a national campaign they are going to lose, that keeps them in fringe territory, and risks throwing the election to the party they most disagree with? I would suggest that this strategy of trying to run a national campaign with its attendant risks helps to keep both the Libertarians and Greens at the fringes of our national debates.

Herewith a solution: don't. Don't run a national campaign and take the Nader risk. Run a selected state campaign in those states where the electoral college math is neither at risk nor in doubt. A state that is so reliably Republican or Democratic that your potential supporters know that supporting you will not risk throwing their state to the party they oppose. And then make that case explicitly.

For the Greens, why not focus on states like Hawaii, Vermont, Rhode Island, New York and the District of Columbia. President Obama won the latter by a margin of 92 percent - 6 percent. His average victory in the first four was 34 points.

For the Libertarians likewise but why not Oklahoma, Wyoming, Utah, Idaho, Alabama, and the 3rd District of Nebraska. John McCain's average in those five states and one district was just under 30 points.

A 5-6 state strategy would not earn either party the enmity of a good many of their somewhat natural supporters nationwide because they would not play the role of spoiler. It would give both the opportunity to demonstrate real strength in key states upon which they could eventually build real alternatives.

Such a strategy is also more likely to earn both parties some of the policy outcomes they most covet. Given the contours of our current electoral system, neither of the two main parties will pay any attention to the policy proposals of the Greens or Libertarians unless these two can demonstrate real strength somewhere.

 

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05:24 AM on 09/12/2012
Screw you!
You sound like a gambler with a bet on the outcome...
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01:17 PM on 07/18/2012
The author is operating under the mistaken premise that Third Party voters view the major parties as different in some substantial way. Oh, their rhetoric may be different, and the intended audiences to which they market their rhetoric may be different -- but what they DO is very much the same. Someday he'll figure this out, but until then just understand that it makes no difference to me which major party wins the election. You can all flip a coin as far as I'm concerned. I just refuse to reward bad behavior and give my permission to evil anymore....
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08:53 AM on 07/19/2012
Amen!!! I don't know why people think we have 2 separate parties. We haven't for a while now. I am tired of compromising my values and voting for someone who does not represent me. I'll vote Green this year and will sleep better for it.
12:30 PM on 07/17/2012
Seems like you're blindly following the meme of the day politically.

Green Party candidate Jill Stein has made primary matching funds for the first time in the Green Party's history.

FEC rule that a party and candidate get 5% in the popular vote get funding that go a long way towards providing resources to run a viable election in the next cycle.

In 49 out of 50 states, getting a vote threshold gets the party ballot access which makes local Green candidates viable as they expend less resources on petitioning and more on outreach.

Citizens put candidates on the ballot and citizens have the right to chose whom to vote for. There's a name for forms of gov't that limit who they can vote for. It's sad you imply support for such forms of gov't rather than democracy.

The major parties have the ability to pass laws supporting Instant Runoff Voting if they were concerned about election results. That they don't, speaks about their political objectives.

It's Orwellian the way the Democrats paint Republicans sinister, yet they continue to move closer to Republican economics. It's a spiral into devastation the public, third parties, activists can stop. The ONLY way to impact power is to leverage it. Corporations do it with their donations. We have our votes. If the major parties are concerned about losing votes, they can enact policies to regain them. When both major parties are bringing quality of life into rapid decline, some of us seek an alternative.
09:34 AM on 07/17/2012
Democrats and Republicans are projecting their black & white thinking onto 3rd parties. It's like they think that 3rd parties are just offshoots of the D's and R's.

Libertarians are nothing like Republicans!!! I'm personally interested in legalizing LSD. How well do you think an idea like that would go over with the Republican Party?

Tell me, how does civil liberties, cognitive liberty, privacy rights, and a non-interventionist foreign policy go over with a 2008 McCain voter?
10:37 PM on 07/16/2012
I don't think most Libertarians are measurably happier with either Republicans or Democrats in charge. Certainly, their pocketbooks and personal freedoms are similarly threatened.
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09:08 PM on 07/16/2012
The assumption that Libertarians "least disagree" with Republicans or "most disagree" with Democrats is not an assumption for which there's much evidence.
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06:05 PM on 07/16/2012
Thanks for the article. The specific strategy of focus on a few states proposed has already been used by the US Libertarians with modest results. It was concluded that a national focus was the best way to continue, though donors wishing to focus on particular states were welcome..

Both Libs and Greens are co-operating worldwide and in the US on ending ballot access restrictions and for legal reasons must run presidentiual candidates to have lawsuit standing; and studies have shown the spolier effect is nonsense except in a few cases: They draw from non-voters, the Greens somewhat from the left, the Libertarians from all groups with a bias to centrists. The political effect is to alert the major parties there is a constituency they must, and do, address.

In addition, both parties to a great degree run national candidates at this time to strengthen interest in getting people in public office locally.

Both change the debate with presidential candidates-Green policies are now everywhere; 'wild' Lib proposals from massive tax rate reductions, gay marriage, more voluntary Green approaches, an officially rights-based foreign policy, easing IRA's and home-schooling and NASA privatization use have been implemented. A close study of their actual goals, time lines and proposals show they're winning in many areas as fast as is possible.

For info on people using voluntary Libertarian tools on similar and other issues, please see the non-partisan Libertarian International Organization @ http://​www.Libertarian-Internation​al.org ....
02:45 PM on 07/16/2012
You are telling me that as a voter I should choose between the evil on the right or the evil on the left. I've got news for you. I can't morally vote for Democrats or Republicans as both parties believe that it is okay to steal from people as long as it is the government doing the taking, and both parties believe in global domination and warmongering. This November I will first vote for every Libertarian on my ballot starting at the top with Gary Johnson. Remember what I said about not being able to vote for D's or R's? It's true, but I can and will vote against any incumbent on my ballot where there are no Libertarians in the race. The American people deserve better than what the Democrats and Republicans have been offering over the last decades. When it comes right down to it, the D's and R's are two sides of the same coin the either will continue to destroy our countrys freedoms and economy.
02:18 PM on 07/16/2012
The Prohibition Party never got more than 2% in a presidential election, but it was instrumental in getting its big policy idea implemented in law. The Prohibition Party cost the Republican Party two presidential elections, 1884 and 1916. After the first instance, Republicans around the nation burned the Prohibition Party's presidential candidate in effigy; but after it happened the 2nd time, in 1916, the Republicans in Congress decided the party was sick of losing presidential elections because of the Prohibition Party, and they passed the 18th amendment. That amendment had been sitting in Congress in every session since 1875 and had never gone anywhere, until Republicans got behind it in 1917 and sent it on to the states. That shows the power of voters who persist in voting for minor parties.
10:49 AM on 07/17/2012
Bravo Richard!. While I will personally be voting for Gary Johnson this fall I encourage everyone to send a big message to the duopoly by voting for some third party candidate. Lets make sure that the "winner" takes it with well less than a majority whoever he is. The next step is to get congress to authorize Ranked Choice Voting (also called IRV in single seat elections) for electing the President. At least that way we'll get some realistic data on what support third parties really have.