Obama the Conservative Choice

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Posted April 2, 2008 | 07:09 PM (EST)



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Huffington Post progressives should look to the conversation that is going on among traditional conservatives if they are seriously interested in nominating a candidate who would be both electable and good for the country. As a conservative, it is frankly incomprehensible to me that anyone would want to go back to the sleaze, constant political triangulation, sense of aggrieved entitlement, and low-life characters like Sandy Berger that characterized the Clinton White House. Nor is it possible to understand why anyone would want to cast a vote that would seem to establish a dynastic principle in American politics in which the White House alternates between people named Bush and Clinton. The American people and the country surely deserve something markedly better than the Bushes and Clintons that we all have experienced. Jeb and Chelsea, step aside please! Find a real job.

Taking aim at the deficiencies of the Clintons is not to exonerate George W. Bush, who has been a far worse, more corrupt, and much more dangerous president than Bill Clinton ever was. But let's face it, as presidents go, Clinton was an ethical mess, actually making George Bush look good on the personal integrity scale. Hillary is in the same mold as her husband as she lies, dissimulates, and misspeaks her way through her campaign and makes clear that, in her own mind, she was born to rule. There is also the practical issue of electability. If Hillary is the nominee it would surely galvanize the Republican Party base, which despises both her and Bill. If progressive Democrats want to do something to bring out the GOP vote to produce the ultimate horror of a President John McCain, nominate Hillary.

Many traditional conservatives (not the neo-con subspecies) are embarrassed by George Bush and are looking for a way out of the foreign and domestic policy nightmare that he has engineered. They also understand that John McCain would be more of the same or even worse. There is a lively discussion of Barack Obama that is taking place both in the blogosphere and in the media directed at a conservative audience, and much of the discourse is surprisingly receptive to the idea that Obama, though a liberal, could bring about genuine change that will benefit the country. A recent article by Boston University professor and former army officer Andrew Bacevich appeared in The American Conservative magazine and is available on the internet at www.amconmag.com. It is entitled "The Case for Obama" and makes the point that Obama is a candidate that is certainly no conservative, but he is the only real hope to get out of Iraq and also avoid wars of choice in the future. Bacevich rightly sees the Iraq war and its consequences as a truly existential issue for the United States, one that should be front and center for voters in November. Any more adventures of the Iraq type will surely bankrupt the country and destroy what remains of the constitution. Bacevich also notes that the election of John McCain, candidate of the neoconservatives and the war party, would guarantee an unending series of preemptive wars as U.S. security doctrine and would validate the disastrous decisions to invade Iraq and wage an interminable global war on "terrorists." Electing Obama instead would be as close as one could come to making a definitive judgment on the folly of Iraq and everything that it represents, a judgment that is long overdue. Many conservatives would agree that the Obama commitment to leave Iraq is the right way to go and long to return to the days when America only went to war when a vital interest was threatened.

Other conservatives have observed that Obama might also seriously address the hemorrhaging of America's manufacturing base that has taken place under the auspices of President George W. Bush, a trend that would undoubtedly continue under either McCain or Clinton, both of whom are either ambivalent about or committed to globalism and free trade. America must put its own house in order first and it is time to challenge many of the economic and social assumptions that have driven policy over the past 15 years.

In short, Obama for president is beginning to look pretty good to many conservatives and that means that a Barack Obama administration might actually bridge the gap between right and left, finally bringing together American citizens who are intent on righting the foundering ship of state rather than preserving the status quo. Clinton and McCain represent little more than two nightmarish visions of an out-of-touch political reality that has manifestly failed and should be rejected.


 
 

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- TheAlchemist See Profile I'm a Fan of TheAlchemist permalink

Never underestimate the power of the independent thinker.

Some may feel that Bush"s second midterm election was a landslide for the Democrats. Others may feel that Clinton"s second midterm election was a landslide for the Republicans.

Perhaps in both cases the election was actually a landslide toward the middle.

Will this large group of independent thinkers vote for Hillary? For Barack? Or for John?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:42 AM on 04/04/2008
- PioneerKing See Profile I'm a Fan of PioneerKing permalink

rotfl lol can't get up off the floor lol
there isn't a red meat conservative republican in America who's going to vote for the black man over the white man who's a former prisoner of war
good try

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:28 AM on 04/04/2008
- indie17 See Profile I'm a Fan of indie17 permalink

Define "conservative".

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:49 PM on 04/04/2008
- RadioResearch See Profile I'm a Fan of RadioResearch permalink

Traditional conservatives believe in such crazy things as fiscal responsibility, non-intervention in foreign affairs instead of overseas adventureism (Iraq war), social equality, civil rights, sound monetary policy, conservation, self reliance, and bipartisan dialogue and action. To neo-cons these are liberal views. My, how far we have come down the road of semantic revisionism.

Of course, traditional conservatives will vote for Obama. Who else among the candidates (other than Ron Paul who is still being ignored) can bring back these traditional principles that we hold. McCain and Hill are just more of the same old bovine excrement we've been hearing and have been expected to eat for the last seven years.

Every over 50 Republican I know is waiting for Obama to win so we can vote for someone "inexperienced" enough in the government to listen to the people and do the job right. He doesn't even have to spend his money convincing us - we are tired of the SOS (same old shit) coming out of these political dynasties.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:54 PM on 04/03/2008
- tbone99 See Profile I'm a Fan of tbone99 permalink

Only a conservative would have the gall to make a comment like ; "it is frankly incomprehensible to me that anyone would want to go back to the sleaze,.. low-life characters like Sandy Berger that characterized the Clinton White House"

This, after they gave us us Cheney, Karl Rove,Jack Abramoff, Albert Gonzales, Chelabi , David Yoo and Wolfiwitz.!

And then, after putting Bushes in the WH. three times to add -"Nor is it possible to understand why anyone would want to cast a vote that would seem to establish a dynastic principle.."

What Chutzpah!!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:09 PM on 04/03/2008
- JulieSA See Profile I'm a Fan of JulieSA permalink

Sandy Berger is a disbarred and convicted felon who is one of Clinton's advisors.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:13 PM on 04/03/2008
- tbone99 See Profile I'm a Fan of tbone99 permalink

Its only trials that seperate the many members of the Bush administration from being in convicted as well.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:35 AM on 04/04/2008
- RadioResearch See Profile I'm a Fan of RadioResearch permalink

You are confusing neo-cons with real conservatives. Neo-cons are former Trotskyites who became disllusioned with liberalism because it wasn't totalitarian enough for them so they became neo-cons. They couldn't call themselves conservatives because we all knew that they were not at all conservative. It was the neo-cons (emphasis on the "con' part) who brought us these excesses.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:58 PM on 04/03/2008
- tbone99 See Profile I'm a Fan of tbone99 permalink

Cheney and Rumsfield were Trotskyites?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:50 AM on 04/04/2008
- frustratedinohio See Profile I'm a Fan of frustratedinohio permalink

I know I'll be branded as a racist for saying this, but you don't think republicans, especially the Bush 30% who approve, won't come out in droves to kill the chances of an Obama presidency? All those Bush rednecks? All those religious right Bushies? This is better than putting gay marriage on the ballot. A black man running for President. Are you kidding me? Republicans will be knocking each other over to vote for their candidate. That along with revenge voting and Hello President McCain. I have seen this so many times and on every issue here, Obama supporters rationalizing some fact of life to make it not true. It is astounding.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:16 PM on 04/03/2008
- frustratedinohio See Profile I'm a Fan of frustratedinohio permalink

A conservative who drank the Kool-Aid. Wow. Now I've seen everything.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:00 PM on 04/03/2008
- outnow See Profile I'm a Fan of outnow permalink

The GOP is demoralized by the endless war and the state of the economy. I am sure that some in the GOP are tired of the corruption. A few of the religious right are realizing that the central message of Christianity is at odds with the goals of the GOP - to make the rich richer despite the environmental disaster and the human costs in maintaining the American Empire.

Clinton as a woman rubs many old white men the wrong way. Any woman would. I was raised around these old white men over fifty years ago so I know what their attitudes, beliefs and values are in private where they freely confide their true prejudices. Having been raised as one of them, I can say that nothing gets their goat as much as the Clintons do. Hillary is even worse for these rich old men that is Mr. Obama.

The barriers to the "good ole boys club" are higher for women than for black men. Hillary is her own worst enemy, however. I believe that she would antagonize many in the right, men and women alike. These voters would then vote for John McCain. It's the singer, not the song. I don't envy the Clintons successes. I just wish they had represented Main Street, not Wall Street.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:50 PM on 04/03/2008
- tbone99 See Profile I'm a Fan of tbone99 permalink

Face it the conservatives remain pissed that they were outmanipulated by the Clintons in the 90's., and that Bill Clinton and Hilary are astute strategic players that know their tricks.

Of course they want Obama for two reasons: One,because he is relatively new to the national scene ( what else could explain his overlooking of Rev W.!) and so they can play him like a fiddle.Add to that ,his drooling over Reagan , Bush Sr ,Lieberman& Lugar and the their 'party of ideas.Flattery will get you everywhere.

Secondly , he'll bring the Dems most dependably left progressives ( the black community) along without any real commitment to help them, something they've wanted for years.

It's a two'fer.!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:33 PM on 04/03/2008
- jazzman See Profile I'm a Fan of jazzman permalink

I can only speak ancedotally but I have been receiving this message from many of my conservative friends who say that they are either considering voting for Obama or definitely would vote for Obama if he gets the nod.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:43 PM on 04/03/2008
- siciliabel See Profile I'm a Fan of siciliabel permalink

I've often wondered if true conservatives-by the literal definition-don't just cringe at what has occurred in their "name" during this administration. I also think there probably isn't a more unifying event that the Republican party could ask for than Hillary Clinton as the Democratic nominee. Those who wouldn't necessarily want to vote for McCain would be only too happy to vote against Clinton.

This, by attrition, leaves Barack Obama as the logical choice. But there is so many more reasons why he is the better choice. His ability to bring so many first time voters into the fold speaks well of his ability to unify. It sure sounds better than more of the same.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:39 PM on 04/03/2008
- GLBorchert See Profile I'm a Fan of GLBorchert permalink

Most of my friends are diehard Republicans. What Giraldi says squares with what many of my conservative friends tell me. They really hate the Clinton's. They don't trust McCain or think he is too old. They don't like Obama but can look at him as the lesser of three evils.

One neighbor, a 60 year old guy who has never voted for a Democrat in his life, told his wife the other day that if Obama runs he'll vote for him. There are enough people like this out there to make a significant difference.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:37 PM on 04/03/2008
- lwise1129 See Profile I'm a Fan of lwise1129 permalink

Mr. Giraldi,
I would like to thank you for posting your thoughtful article. I'm a yellow dog Democrat, originally from Chicago, who had many conservative leanings until things got so nasty (circa 1994). Since then, I saw many good Democrats AND Republicans leave government in disgust.
I worked for a Congressman in Chicago for many years. We counted as our friends and Colleagues, the staffs and Congressmen from both parties; and went to them often when we needed help.
I would love to see the return of a true bipartisan partnership in America; not just in the government, but also in our communities. I live in Indiana now; in a Republican county/Democratic city area and the warring is amazing. I'm afraid to put a bumper sticker on my car, for fear of being keyed.
Thank you again for your post.
Voting for Obama on May 6th

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:36 PM on 04/03/2008
- chandler02 See Profile I'm a Fan of chandler02 permalink


I saw on Olbermann last night that only 22% of Republicans think Hillary could win. Obama's percentage was around 60%.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:04 PM on 04/03/2008
- misspeach2008 See Profile I'm a Fan of misspeach2008 permalink

When Republicans say nice things about the Clintons, then they're trying to get Hillary nominated because they know they beat her, but when they say good things about Obama, it's because they are going to vote for him? That's called being very selective in your listening. Hearing only what you want to hear. . .

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:22 PM on 04/03/2008
- myownwings See Profile I'm a Fan of myownwings permalink

Very interesting post. As a fiscally conservative-leaning voter who also has the sense to realize that we are also working for a social equality, I find Obama to be the person to bring back the facets of the two parties that have drifted into oblivion in the last 30 -40 years. When people make those lines in the sand between conservative and liberal, red and blue, etc., you know we are losing sight of truth. So many people are capable of thinking more deeply than that. In fact most of us live differently every day in our personal life decisions. There will be many people anxious to be at the table of an Obama presidency when we can finally work together and be listened to in a more open process that will encourage true conservatives and progressives to fill the seats of those who have occupied them for much too long a time.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:01 PM on 04/03/2008
- oracle99 See Profile I'm a Fan of oracle99 permalink

Good post .......these labels need to end...it just divides us and stops us from achieving a common goal...what is best for this country. Liberals, conservatives, whatever...the end should be the same save our country, our economy, and end this war. You are right ...no one in their right mind should want these dynastys over and over again.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:53 AM on 04/03/2008
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