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Brad Hirschfield

Brad Hirschfield

Posted: June 14, 2010 01:23 PM

This is the other mosque story developing in New York City. And while it is unfolding not a mere few hundred feet from the site where the World Trade Center was attacked, but in a quiet neighborhood of NYC's quietest borough, the rage provoked is no less real or disturbing.

The struggle is between members of the Muslim American Society, a group seeking to build a mosque on the grounds of a former Staten Island convent, and members of the local community, some of whom have described this as "the community's D-Day" and an important part of "the war against Islam". To be sure, neither side is behaving well, if by behaving well one means actually trying to find a solution which works for as many people as possible.

Instead, as is so often the case, each side is simply operating out of their worst fears and tendencies. In the case of the local Muslim community, that means two things. First, they seem to have an allergy to direct answers to direct questions. Whether that is simply cultural, or indicative of something more nefarious, does not matter. Until direct questions from the larger community, however stupid they may be, get direct answers, suspicion and fear are created.

Second, as with many minorities struggling to attain the full civil rights to which they are entitled, the people representing the local Muslim community, at a recent town hall meeting which exploded into an ugly shout fest, kept talking about what they had the right to do and failed to address what was wise to do. Too often, having the right to do something and the eagerness to assert that right blinds us to the more important questions about what is wise and productive to do.

Issues of transparency and the distinction between rights asserted and wise action remain genuine challenges for the Muslim groups trying to establish mosques, both in Staten Island and at the site near Ground Zero. But none of that excuses, or even explains, the kind of rage which these attempts have stirred.

D-Day? Is that really how locals want to frame the issue of their objection to the building of a mosque in Staten Island? Do they really experience this struggle with other New Yorkers trying to build houses of worship as the 21st century equivalent of the Allied war against the Nazis?

Leaving aside the pathetic irony that in choosing this metaphor, those supposedly defending the shores of our nation and its culture would be the Germans, must they invoke the language of war to raise awareness? And if they must, then how different are they from the Jihadists they oppose? In each case, a group waves a banner of holy war against some group whose existence they claim threatens their own.

There is an old adage in combat which teaches that the longer one engages an enemy, the more alike the two sides become. While it may not always be true, it seems to be the case here. And frankly, for most of us, the prospect of being caught in the crossfire between these two groups is not so good.

I would love to see a series of town hall meetings across the country (the issue is stirring anger and defensiveness all over the nation) in the months ahead -- meetings in which the tapes of the public conversations which have already transpired around the building of these two New York City Mosques were shown to audiences who were asked not to respond to the question of whether they should be built, but instead to the following questions:

1. With which side do you most identity in this conflict and how could representatives of that side have behaved better in the conversations which you are watching?

2. What is the real fear which animates the side with which you disagree, and what could you do, without giving up your position, to address that fear?

3. If the mosque to which you object could be built elsewhere, would you support it? How come?

4. What is it that the "other side" most doesn't get about the side with which you identify? And are you willing to learn as much about them and their concerns as you want them to learn about you and yours?

Whether this process will ensure the result that either side wants is uncertain. What is certain, however, is that when different religious, ethnic or even political communities operate with these questions as their guiding principles, we are all safer and better off.

 

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This is the other mosque story developing in New York City. And while it is unfolding not a mere few hundred feet from the site where the World Trade Center was attacked, but in a quiet neighborhood ...
This is the other mosque story developing in New York City. And while it is unfolding not a mere few hundred feet from the site where the World Trade Center was attacked, but in a quiet neighborhood ...
 
 
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11:32 PM on 06/20/2010
This horror is playing out in my community where I live.Every single person protesting is Catholic and Republican.I cringe at their hate filled agenda. I do not believe in God ,however I have always believed and still believe that if you wish to worship and it gives you comfort ...great. I see the great comfort it gives my wife. I wish these people who say such stupid things Like Islam and it's followers are all terrorist would realize if that's the case then all Catholics are pedofiles.Just because you have extremist and nut cases in every Religion doesn't mean that all of you are like that. It is foolish to believe we all have the exclusive truth in God because we don't. But to spread a hate filled agenda and call it a parking problem is a lie.Just another reason why Republicans make me sick to my stomach and Call themselves Christian where is all that acceptance and love of your fellow human that your savior taught.I am a Staten Islander and not one of these yoyo's and hate mongers
11:43 PM on 06/19/2010
Moral equivalence is misplaced in this instance. One group is looking to receive local approval to exercise their constitutional rights, and the other side is abusing their freedom of speech by drawing outlandish comparisons to Nazis and world wars. The Rabbi is right. We should sit down, but with him, and get a proper explanation on the appropriate application of moral equivalence. Your pit bull is off his leash on you unfenced front yard, some kid wants to keep his limbs, hmm, let's explore....
10:51 PM on 06/18/2010
What they have a right to do as opposed to what is wise to do? Are you honestly suggesting that because something makes cowardly bigots angry, it should not be done? I hope not, for that is clearly an unacceptable and untenable position.
10:38 AM on 06/18/2010
Would it help if they painted the crescent on top of the dome red, white and blue?
11:36 PM on 06/19/2010
Islamically speaking, I don't think there is a problem with a stars and stripes crescent - the US constitution is a fantastic document in that it provides each individual with religious freedom, something that, ironically, escapes some of the most die-hard Muslims. Individual faith is the cornerstone of the entire faith, the first pillar, the bedrock upon which the practice of the faith follows - there is no hierarchy, no pope, no person who can come in between a person and his Creator.
12:17 PM on 06/17/2010
The good rabbi overlooks what should be the central question: Why should the construction/location of a mosque be any more controversial than the construction of a temple, a church or a boy scout headquarters? In Florida, if a property owner is arbitrarily deprived of the right to develop her property in any legal way she sees fit, she is entitled to sue the local government for damages.
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11:19 AM on 06/17/2010
Personally I have never visited Staten Island. As per the people that come from Staten Island, I have only met a few. Sadly, the few representatives I have encountered from Staten Island have all been the most closed minded, openly racist morons I have ever seen. Not saying they are all like that, and I imagine they are not, but that's been my experience.
02:04 PM on 06/17/2010
Having grown up on Staten Island I can tell you I don't fit your description. But I surely know the type. Like Archie Bunker on crack.
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01:56 AM on 06/17/2010
"War against Islam" - that's a pretty direct statement. The US media has done a good job brainwashing a lot of people.
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10:00 PM on 06/16/2010
When I do read cases such as this one an old idea of my comes to mind. I believe when there is no recourse among two parties then they should choose their weapons and hit the battle grounds. Society should designate a large area for disputes between nations or any party, that for some fanatic reason, cannot coexist as civilize people, then they should be allowed to sort it out their differences by brutal force for the peace and tranquility of all. I may send this suggestion to the United Nation to be adapted. Why the entire population has to pay the ultimate price for the lunacy of a few.
08:35 PM on 06/16/2010
It shouldn't be a problem if Muslims want to build a mosque on Staten Island. Muslims are allowed to live in the US along with everyone else, and they should live how they like. As long as it doesn't break any laws, then who's to deny them their basic rights?

However, Muslims also have to remember that must allow the non-Muslims they share the country with continue to live their chosen lifestyles. When someone tries to infringe on another citizens rights, we cannot ever concede that such behavior is acceptable. And fortunately, we haven't yet.

The recent, notorious example. A few Muslims living in America made death threats against Trey Parker and Matt Stone for nearly showing an image of Mohammed on South Park. That was against the law, and it was a blatant infringement upon their rights to free speech. That is why there was the retaliation on May 22, Everybody Draw Mohammed Day. Anyone who tries to restrict free speech in the United States will just have it pushed back in their faces a thousand times over. Free speech is what defines the United States, and we won't let death threats come in the way of these rights.
04:05 PM on 06/18/2010
But isn't the foundation of religion restrictive, and contrary to the rule of law and freedom of speech? Christianity has been watered down by progressives, secularists, and the enlightenment. Islam has not had their enlightenment yet, as they are a younger religion, and are still extreme (in the sense that more people follow their holy book literally). This is why it's so difficult to co-exist - completely different values. Religion = control, Democracy = freedom (of speech, rule of law, etc.)
01:21 AM on 06/20/2010
The foundation of religion in the government is restricted, but people are still allowed to gather and talk about their religion.

It might be difficult to co-exist, but I believe that it's possible. More than that, it's necessary unless Western nations are prepared to abandon their core values. It requires cooperation from all sides, of course.
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07:17 PM on 06/16/2010
can I build a church in MECCA? NO so as long as the that happens I don't think so.
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08:13 PM on 06/16/2010
Because the Saudis will not allow a church to be built in Mecca should have nothing to do with a mosque being built in Staten Island. As a Muslim, I wouldn't mind or even care if a church was built in Saudi Arabia and I think in the coming decades the Saudis will change their mind on this ruling. It takes time for people and governments to change. 60 years ago black people had to sit on the back of the bus but now things are different. Muslim countries will become more liberal as time passes.
09:50 PM on 06/16/2010
Have you become a citizen of Saudi Arabia? Did you know some of the first African slaves were Muslims? The difference is Christian imperialists have malicious intent towards Muslims in Arabia, whereas the Muslims are simply trying to live their lives and mind their own business.
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12:34 AM on 06/17/2010
Musa that's crap. The biggst slavers in the world were Moslems. The Turks and Arabs. The Turks enslaved Christians and forced their male children to become Janissaries and their daughters were forced into Harems. When the Europeans came it was the Arabs who sold them slaves. Islam had a long and bloody history and it was Islamic "imperialists" who occupied large parts of Europe until they were tossed out. Good for the Europeans for doing to the Moslems what the Moslems had done to them for centuries.. A
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Religion poisons everything
10:48 AM on 06/17/2010
No BS now, the Muslim religion is NOT a religion of peace and you know it. By living their own lives, I suppose you mean. The physical and mental abuse of their women and female children. The desire to destroy western society , and their refusal to follow the laws of what ever western country they live in. and the desire to blast us back to the stone age. That is the Muslim religion.
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Todd Fisher
03:10 PM on 06/16/2010
The fact the want to build on the grounds of a former convent makes it religously wrong to do so. For the same reason that the temple mount can not be rebuilt on top of the dome of the rock. There are rules as to how the religions interact with each others holy ground. or at least there is supposed to be that's why Isreal has not simply torn down the dome and rebuilt the temple.
03:37 PM on 06/16/2010
Actually, I think Israel has managed not to tear down the Dome of the Rock not out of respect for Islamic tradition but because they don't want to start World War III. Also, isn't the Third Temple supposed to be built by, or descend with, the Messiah on his return, thereby making man's building of any Third Temple forbidden?
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Todd Fisher
04:05 PM on 06/16/2010
actually the return of the Messiah well not happen until the building of the third temple, which can not be built on the ground on which the dome the rock stands unless the ground can be purified which can only be done by the Sanhedrin(not in existance at the moment) the blood of a red calf(extremely rare) and specific type of oil (none in existance anymore). I'm not sure Iseral cares what the other countries think or want.
06:02 PM on 06/16/2010
lol The Crusades lol
lol pagans are devil-worshippers lol
lol natives of the Americas must be introduced to Christ lol
lol The Christian Church can do no wrong lol
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12:41 PM on 06/16/2010
Wait...I dont get it, what right do they have to not let them build whatever silly thing they want?
It is private land, and private money, they should be able to build a temple to Dracula if they want.
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HerrMonk
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01:07 PM on 06/16/2010
There would probably be less objection to that.
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clearwaterclearmind
couldn't stand bush. can't stand obama for the sam
08:09 PM on 06/16/2010
di immortales dracula approbare, non adhibere debent
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11:49 AM on 06/16/2010
There are no churches in Riyadh....
12:08 PM on 06/16/2010
That would be beacuse their are no christian residents.
12:21 PM on 06/16/2010
And perhaps that's because apostasy is, well, "frowned" upon in Muslim circles.
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Todd Fisher
03:13 PM on 06/16/2010
they just are'nt allow to practice
02:23 PM on 06/16/2010
I love that stupid argument......no churches in Riyadh. Therefore we should become a theocracy and ban all other religions except evangelical Christianity. We should get rid of freedom of religion and ban all mosques. Way to go!
04:27 PM on 06/18/2010
But doesn't the fact that they DO have theocracy in many islamic nations tell you something about the nature of the belief system? Don't you think this runs contrary to western values?
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JohnFromCensornati
The End is near
10:47 AM on 06/16/2010
That's still too close to the Holy Hole in the Ground.
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09:57 AM on 06/16/2010
I'm sorry - I think all churches should be abolished! Or at least taxed.
02:30 PM on 06/16/2010
Any politician who would promote taxing churches would be committing political suicide. He/she would not be on the job very long.
04:28 PM on 06/18/2010
Islam is not alone. Christianity has done a helluva job in making societies more regressive. The tax exemption for religion infuriates me.