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Does Michele Bachmann Speak for God?

Posted: 08/29/11 12:26 PM ET

Apparently Michele Bachmann thinks that she does, in fact, speak for God. Just hours after what a Chief of the FDNY theorized was a tornado touching down on my block early Sunday morning -- a tornado that felled giant trees and started two fires -- the GOP presidential candidate explained to an audience in Florida why this was happening, and her explanation was a doozy.

"I don't know how much God has to do to get the attention of the politicians. We've had an earthquake; we've had a hurricane. He said, 'Are you going to start listening to me here?' Listen to the American people because the American people are roaring right now. They know government is on a morbid obesity diet and we've got to rein in the spending."

As a New Yorker whose block was featured on the cover of today's New York Times as the preeminent example of the damage Irene caused, as a religious person and as an American (not mention one who struggles with my weight), those words cut close to home. While I appreciate Bachmann's sincerity, I have to ask myself, "Is she nuts?" The answer is not as simple as one might imagine.

Having gotten through the day safely, despite burning electrical wire near my front door, 50 foot trees fallen across our street and a house fire across the way, many neighbors repeatedly commented, "Thank God nobody was hurt." If there is a God to thank for sparing us, then that same God is to be blamed/credited with the devastation caused as well. I have no quibble with people who accept both sides of that equation, even if I wrestle with it. It's actually the approach of most classical faiths and is entirely coherent, if not acceptable, to all of us.
Whether it's my well-intentioned neighbors or Bachmann, people want a clear source for the otherwise unreasonable chaos which invades all of our lives. I appreciate that and even admit to expressing gratitude to God for having gotten through the storm with little more than a loss of power, limited water and the need to relocate for a day or two -- I hope not more. But that is where the similarity between what my neighbors expressed to each other and what Michelle Bachmann said about the storm ends.

It's one thing to invoke a source for otherwise unexplainable occurrences. We humans seek meaning and purpose in all things, and especially so during times when the otherwise reliable patterns in our lives are interrupted. One could argue that religion is always doing one of two things: comforting us by providing meaning and purpose to those interruptions, or purposely interrupting patterns in order to help us lead more meaningful and ethical lives.

Bachmann, however, takes it one very dangerous step further: She imagines not only that there is meaning and purpose to such events and that they are controlled directly by God, she imagines that she knows the mind of God and can tell America what such events mean. That is called prophecy, especially when done in such an immediate and direct way, and as far as I know, Michelle Bachman doesn't claim to be a prophet. Or does she?

While not making that claim overtly, Bachmann consistently approaches both politics and religion from a position of absolutes -- the kind of absolutes that, if not 100 percent correct, can be pretty dangerous. From defaulting on our national debt to abortion to this weekend's hurricane, there is, according to Michelle Bachmann, only one right answer -- hers. And unless someone speaks with the absolute knowledge that most believers ascribe to God or prophets, that's a pretty dangerous way to speak.

Bachmann's God and her politics are one. They are clearly understood by her, they are 100 percent correct and all those who disagree are worthy of punishment. I get it. That's not my God and those are not my politics. In many ways, the coming presidential election is about the place of absolute answers in this country and how much space is made for those who disagree with whoever wins.

Michele Bachman let it be known this weekend that she believes the price for disagreeing with her is death and destruction.

I can't help but hope that she would speak differently at the funerals of those who died because of the storm, or even standing amid the destruction in front of my family's home. That's my hope. Of course, the real question is not simply what candidate Bachman says, but what her supporters will say, now that she has spoken.

 

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Djay0252
America needs to Bless God
10:52 AM on 09/05/2011
I feel SO safe now knowing that Ms Bachmann has a direct connection to the Almighty but in truth she is just another politician telling the people what SHE THINKS the people want to hear.
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bbertaud
Je ne regrette rien, rien de rien
08:52 PM on 09/03/2011
Does Michele Bachmann Speak for God?
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As much as Bristol Palin speaks for the Virgin Mary
08:44 PM on 09/01/2011
It seems to me there are there are only 2 explanations regarding Bachmann's statements,

1) She was NOT joking therefore she is lying when she says she was
2) She WAS joking and therefore ridiculing the spiritual beliefs of most if not all of her followers

AND if God is using earthquakes and hurricanes to express some sort of disapproval, did it ever occur to her and like thinkers that he is angry because she and like thinkers want to turn their backs on the people most in need?

Just wondering!
02:54 PM on 09/01/2011
It's like when Jerry Falwell and Pat Robertson claimed that the 9/11 terrorist attack was God's punishment on homosexuals, the ACLU, "Secular Humanists" and Liberals in America.

Leaders of the "fundamentalist religious right" did it again when Hurrican Katrina hit New Orleans, claiming that "God was punishing all the sinners" there.

Now they're doing the same thing with Hurrican Irene. And, because of that, some progressives have been mocking them, jokingly saying Hurrican Irene was God's wake up call to Republicans in D.C. for causing so much conflict, division and trouble.

What the right-wing religious zealots do not realize is that God does not cause such things. But Man's arrogance, vain folly, carelessness, thoughlessness, violence and damage to the earth certainly wreaks all kinds of havoc, from which we all suffer.

Actually, there's a relevant article about that, called The Nature of God, at http://messenger.cjcmp.org/natureofgod.html
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rich3324
Likes: Chasing villagers. Dislikes: Fire
12:19 PM on 08/31/2011
The earthquake and hurricane can be explained by science. Maybe bachmann needs to pick up a science book.
PATOISJAM
reason: strategize: succeed
10:26 AM on 08/31/2011
It is obvious that MB does not know God or the contents of the bible. In fact, I bet if you were to ask her if God was the ruler of the world she would say yes, and yet the bible time after time says it is Satan the Devil. So if she does not really know the bible then she is twisting it her way to play politics like so many before her.

Jesus Christ gave an example of how wrong it is to ascribe responsibility of tragedies to God when he spoke of the collapse of the Tower in Siloam. Eighteen people were killed in that local disaster. However, Jesus made it clear that the victims were not being punished by God. They died simply because they happened to be in the wrong place at the wrong time. (Luke 13:1-5)

1 Timothy 2:3-4 clearly states what God’s will is: “This is fine and acceptable in the sight of our Savior, God, whose will is that all sorts of men should be saved and come to an accurate knowledge of truth”. It is not God's will to bring hurricanes and earthquakes and the like to kill innocent people.
05:54 PM on 08/31/2011
But if God is all-powerful, anything that happens on this planet is at His will.
PATOISJAM
reason: strategize: succeed
04:55 PM on 09/01/2011
He is all powerful but he is not the Ruler of the World. God's will is working in a different way to save lives and that is by learning and obeying his commands. The saving of the lives will be dependent on completing God's will. It's like how God told it to Baruch (Jeremiah's secretary). Baruch wanted to go live his life and get away from Babylon. God told him if he did his protection would not extend to him. Baruch had to remain in Babylon and complete God's will. The only thing God promised him was his life. Not even the clothes on his back.

When Adam & Eve sinned it opened up a can of worms. Everything is out of control and until everything is in place for God to end this wicked world of mankind, we will be subject to many hardships. God calls this time we are living in "a time for weeping" which means that happiness will be interspersed with much sadness, unfortunately.

While God is allowing these things to continue, it was certainly not his will for humans to suffer harm and pain and sorrow.
11:50 PM on 09/01/2011
Have you ever considered the concept of free will? Man sins be causes he chooses to. God is waiting patiently, shout His Love for us. We just ignore Him.
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Dave24
Without God, life is everything.
08:24 AM on 08/31/2011
God exists in the minds of those who believe there is a God.
That doesn't mean there is one.
01:51 AM on 08/31/2011
Dear God

I believe the time has come for you to make a personal appearance here on Earth, to clarify whether or not you endorse the people who claim adherence to you.


Thankyou.

Yours Sincerely

The Library Of Codex

Huffington Post, MVP
PATOISJAM
reason: strategize: succeed
10:38 AM on 08/31/2011
Your words find an answer in the prophet's words at Ezekiel 20:9-10 when God helped the Nation of Israel.

It says:

"And I (God) went acting for the sake of my own name that [it] might not be profaned before the eyes of the nations in among whom they were, because I had made myself known to them before their eyes on bringing them forth from the land of Egypt."

The sanctification of God's name rightly means more than the life of all mankind and it is a guarantee that God will show his hand at the hour that he has chosen.
06:10 PM on 08/31/2011
Thanks, but I want confirmation from God himself, not via his published works.


I want him to descend from the heavens and hold a press conference.
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Shawn Longino
04:33 PM on 08/30/2011
You want Michelle Bachmann's followers to think critically about her? If they could, they wouldn't be following her in the first place.
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Adam of CA
Independent Information Hunter
03:34 PM on 08/30/2011
I want to assure Brad that Bachman is not a prophet. Scripture states that the test of a true prophet is consistency about predictions. Bachman has already been caught in seven lies by the news press corp. So, everyone, inhale a sigh of relief. Bachman disqualifiies herself as a prophet. Her true title has to be adlieber.
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guitargeorge1964
Independent!!!
01:45 PM on 08/30/2011
I think all would be Presidents should take a lesson from a recent President when claiming to know their God's mind. President Bush said he prayed and God told him to invade Iraq because of the WMD's. In hindsight we now know there never were WMD's in Iraq. There could only be 3 answers for this. #1) God never spoke to him, #2) Bush interpreted the answer wrong, or #3) God lied to him. Being an agnostic at best, atheist some days, I'm leaning towards #1 myself. Any way you look at it, it's not a ringing endorsement for letting God enter politics.
ThinkCreeps
Seriously, it's time.
08:09 AM on 08/31/2011
Seriously.

If I was an omnipotent omniscient supernatural being, I'd definitely be more careful about who I spoke to.
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11:54 AM on 09/01/2011
That is not God speaking it is personality disorders, Do you really think God would listen to Bachmann,s madness??????????
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xscd
Bemoaning the endangered GOPosaur
10:15 AM on 08/30/2011
At least Michele lets everyone know exactly what kind of person she is, what kind of person we're dealing with, what kind of person she would be if--God forbid!--she were ever to be in the White House. She seems incapable of editing her own thoughts and speech; it all just spills out for everyone to see. That means she would probably be a very bad liar (which does not bode well for a politician) and actually believes all the--stuff--that comes out of her mouth. The more I see Bachmann in the news and on TV and the Internet, the more I think that if she were to be the Republican presidential nominee (I think more reasonable, rational, moderate and nonreligious conservatives would hate that thought) she would ensure that Obama would win the next election.
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mavelous
12:56 AM on 08/30/2011
People don't understand Michelle and her special sense of humor. She is wonderful, and SO funny...........really funnny..........just so outrageously funny. Yeah.......
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guitargeorge1964
Independent!!!
11:45 PM on 08/29/2011
This reminds me of an incident in my hometown about 10 years ago. One of my Dad's neighbors house blew up because of a gas leak on her hot water heater. The lady had just stepped in to the house and boom, she was launched out the front door in to the lawn and came out with just some bruises. My dad said that she needed to thank God for protecting her. Me, being the smart aleck I am, replied "Dad, God just blew up her house and launched her in the yard. He's trying to rub her out like the mafia".
I guess it's how different people look at things.
11:21 PM on 08/29/2011
Why are these stoopnagles running for President of the United States? Oh my.
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LynneE
A not-so-elite liberal.
12:29 AM on 08/30/2011
Because there aren't any other theocracies that will have them?
PATOISJAM
reason: strategize: succeed
10:41 AM on 08/31/2011
doofuses added to that!