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The Bin Laden Dialogue: An Imam, Rabbi and Minister Struggle Over What to Preach this Weekend

Posted: 05/05/11 10:07 PM ET

Two days after the news of Bin Laden's demise, an Imam, Rabbi and Minister reflect on what it means for people of faith: the 'celebrations,' the burial, and what to preach about this weekend. Sohaib Sultan is the Muslim Chaplain at Princeton University. J.C. Austin is the Director of the Center for Christian Leadership at Auburn Seminary in New York and Justus Baird is the Rabbi at Auburn Seminary.


Preaching Topics

What should clergy preach about this weekend?

For Muslim Communities

Imam: I think I would reflect on the following passage in the Quran: "Among mankind is he whose speech impresses you in worldly life, and he calls God to witness as to what is in his heart, yet he is the fiercest of opponents. And, when he goes away, he strives throughout the land to cause corruption therein, and to destroy people's earnings and lives. And God does not love corruption." Qur'an 2:204-5

Rabbi: I like this framing of bin Laden as silver-tongued yet destructive.

Imam: In his death, it is important to reflect on this type of personality in the human condition, but also to ward off lesser forms of this hypocrisy within our own hearts and lives.

Rabbi: Could you say more about 'recognizing hypocrisy' in ourselves -- and how a Muslim preacher might find the balance between talking about bin Laden and turning it into an opportunity for personal growth?

Imam: I think that whenever we see greater manifestations of evil in the world, we have to recognize that they are born out of corrupt hearts, and it is a warning to human beings as to how much destruction one can cause with such a corrupt heart. So, it is an opportunity to refine our inner selves, to cleanse our hearts from hatred, anger, jealousy -- all those things that lead to evil in the world. And these things are especially dangerous when we try to shroud them with religious cloth and ask God to bear witness to our hatred and anger.

Rabbi: That would be powerful, to find a way for us to see how bin Laden's wayward life can help us reflect on our own limitations and negative behaviors. This would be quite different than labeling bin Laden as 'evil' and 'other' and beyond the pale in some categorically different way.

For Christian Communities

Minister: Many Protestant churches follow the Revised Common Lectionary as their source for preaching, which is a series of readings that cover most of the Christian Bible over a three-year period. The Gospel reading this coming Sunday is the Road to Emmaus story, where some of Jesus' disciples are leaving Jerusalem dejectedly, not knowing he has been raised from the dead. He joins them on their walk, though they don't recognize him, and they tell him how they had hoped he would be the one to bring salvation, but he was killed. He chastises them for not having understood what Jesus was really up to and how Scripture laid it out. They are quite taken by his teaching, but don't truly recognize him until they persuade him to join them for dinner and he breaks the bread for them. Once they recognize him, he disappears, and they run back to Jerusalem to tell everyone. I actually preached on this a couple of weeks after 9/11, and used it as a way to say that we need to recognize Christ's unexpected presence among us and get back to the city to embody his radical love and grace.

Rabbi: How might Christians connect that text to these events?

Minister: I might focus on the idea of Christ being recognizable in celebration. I'm interested in the kinds of gatherings in which Jesus shows up and makes himself recognizable. It happens after walking with him, trying to understand Scripture, and attending to basic human needs of sustenance and community.

Imam: I see where you're going: it connects to our conversation about communal gatherings on such occasions.

Minister: This connection literally only occurred to me a few minutes ago, and I'm not absolutely certain it works. Loving your enemy is a long and difficult road, and we Christians often don't start down that road because it takes us where we don't necessarily want to go. Perhaps the first step we can take is not "delighting" in the death of our enemy, which is what I hear when I hear "celebration" and which seems to characterize some of the more visible demonstrations.

Rabbi: It sounds like you are drawn to this idea of loving enemies, and using bin Laden as a quintessential enemy to sharpen the Christian teaching on the topic of how we behave toward enemies.

Minister: In the Matthew version of the "love your enemies" commandment, that teaching includes Jesus saying "You have heard that it was said, 'an eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth.' But I say to you, do not resist an evildoer." It goes on to the "turn the other cheek" teaching, and then into "love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you ... " I often stay with the version in the gospel of Luke because it doesn't include the line "do not resist an evildoer." Just praying for your enemy in this case seems challenging enough for us all.

For Jewish Communities

Rabbi: Here's a fascinating textual juxtaposition. Jews around the world will be reading exactly that passage about an eye for an eye this Shabbat (Parashat Emor). Leviticus 24:17 is also going to be tempting to rabbis who are looking for a text to preach on: "If anyone kills any human being, he should be put to death." Putting that verse into a traditional context will be important. The Torah suggests that taking life can mean you are liable to be judged with your own, but the rabbinic tradition goes out of its way to set up court systems, rules of evidence and witnesses to regulate -- if not prevent -- the kind of vigilante communal justice that one might try to justify using these passages in Leviticus 24.

Imam: One person I was talking to was arguing that they would want even bin Laden to have his day in court rather than assassination without trial.

Rabbi: I think you could make a strong Jewish case that even bin Laden should have gotten his day in court. From what I've read, Obama authorized the capture or killing of bin Laden -- and supposedly, had bin Laden not resisted during the raid he would not have been killed.

Imam: There is a similar law in the Quran [about killing those who murder others], but the very next passage says 'If you forgive that is better for you.' In this piece of Torah, is there ever a concept that sometimes forgiveness is better or higher than take the life of a murderer?

Rabbi: In this passage [Lev. 24], the Torah doesn't mention forgiveness. In the rabbinic tradition, however, they interpreted the teaching 'eye for an eye' to mean if someone harms you, they would owe you the monetary value of that which they took from you. In other words, if you break my arm, you pay me restitution.

Minister: In one of the prominent Christian scriptures when Jesus teaches us to "love your enemies," there's nothing in there about forgiveness, though such a teaching appears in many other places.

Imam: I'm wondering about the question of healing now that bin Laden is dead. Can there be healing without forgiveness?

Rabbi: My first thought is that the person who's loved one was killed in the attacks has one type of healing to go through in this moment, and the average American who has been watching the wars on TV has a very different healing process to walk.

Minister: Agreed, Justus.

Imam: Yes, that's very true.

 
Two days after the news of Bin Laden's demise, an Imam, Rabbi and Minister reflect on what it means for people of faith: the 'celebrations,' the burial, and what to preach about this weekend. Sohaib S...
Two days after the news of Bin Laden's demise, an Imam, Rabbi and Minister reflect on what it means for people of faith: the 'celebrations,' the burial, and what to preach about this weekend. Sohaib S...
 
 
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DrImranKhan
Neurologist
05:04 PM on 05/17/2011
It seems like all three imam, rabbi and minister agree on everything then all religions are basically the same. Excellent discussion here
New Yorker
Roman Catholic, Anti-DEATH, Combat Vet, Sinner
09:00 PM on 05/07/2011
I see no reason why the political events of the day should have any bearing upon what the Religious instructors teach from their repective 'pulpits' to their respective congregations. The execution of a man known to be a threat to millions is no more worthy of consideration than the elimination of traffic hazard on a highway. Religious teaching has simply a more, make that infinitely more imporatnt task which is to teach the people about God and how we relate to God. Evildoers are executed all across the world every day, no one notices, and that's how it should be for a religios teacher. These are subjects for tabloids, and TV "If It Bleeds, It Leads" sensationalism, nothing more. The minister should discuss the men going to Emmaus encountering the risen Christ, it is important to know. It has no 'connection' to the tabloid headlines, nor should it.
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Wanderland
Barbie arm candy
02:48 PM on 05/07/2011
Oh.

When I saw the headline, I thought I was going to get a "An imam, a rabbi and a minister walk into a bar" joke. I'm no longer in the 'comedy' section, am I?
02:31 PM on 05/07/2011
I'm glad I don't need to be told how to think about someone's death.
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Rational Thought Plz
Is the Micro Bio Half
12:26 PM on 05/07/2011
Fantastic piece. It is great to see 3 different Abrahamic Religious leaders have a nice discussion about differences, and finding out that all mostly agree in teaching.

Still, The WHOLE time I read the article, I couldn't think about the headline "An Imam, Rabbi and Minister.." and try to think of a catchy 'walk into a bar joke' ;)
10:16 AM on 05/07/2011
Maybe they could do us all a favor and stay home and reflect.
Instead they a trying to figure out what spin to put on it so their people will know how to think and what to feel.
08:31 AM on 05/07/2011
So apparently Bin Laden's neighbor tweeted the raid as it was happening. Afterwards, the neighbor was interviewed by several news agencies. They asked him what it was like living next door to Osama Bin Laden and he said, "He was a quiet guy who kinda kept to himself..."
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Laura Kabel
Trekkie
04:25 AM on 05/07/2011
I am really glad I read this article.
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KOisGod
To thine own self be true
10:37 PM on 05/06/2011
And if you would know God be not therefore a solver of riddles.

Rather look about you and you shall see Him playing with your children.

And look into space; you shall see Him walking in the cloud, outstretching His arms in the lightning and descending in rain.

You shall see Him smiling in flowers, then rising and waving His hands in trees.

Kahlil Gibran

The Prophet
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Greenkid
08:28 PM on 05/06/2011
Furthermore, I find the Rabbi's "eye for an eye" passage being turned into a monetary issue laughable.

Might as well say "Don't treat your neighbour as you would be treated, just make sure you can PAY to keep him quiet!"
hfpf
Wake up World.
04:39 PM on 05/07/2011
No, you have misunderstood the concept. The monetary restitution exists to PREVENT people from going out and harming the one that harmed them.
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Billy Fritts
I love the Lord Jesus Christ
09:08 AM on 05/09/2011
Preach Jesus Christ and him crucified--Arose the third day abd now hes alive for ever more--
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Greenkid
08:26 PM on 05/06/2011
Great article, keep it up HuffPo.

It is my hope that Americans weren't necessarily going bananas over the DEATH of bin Laden, but more so the fact that they have the oppurtunity to end a long and bloody war/occupation.
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John Camp
Pastor, teacher, former techie
08:15 PM on 05/06/2011
This is actually a sad commentary on the state of preaching. If you exposit the scriptures verse by verse (as was the practice for most of church history) you don't have to worry so much about what to preach in reaction to an event, because you will be consistently bringing your people the whole council of God.
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JohnCochtosten
06:18 PM on 05/06/2011
I don't consider myself spiritual or religious, but reading this made me feel much better about the state of the world. Thanks to all three gentlemen who participated.
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booboo111
micro-bio
05:51 PM on 05/06/2011
I seemed to have missed the punch line. What happened after they entered the bar?
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BarryWolk
OCCUPY CONGRESS!! Never Vote reThuglican Again!!
06:34 PM on 05/06/2011
Too FUNNY, BooBoo!!
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Kache
Toodlum, wake up, I hear a prowler downstairs
12:24 AM on 05/07/2011
Exactly!!

"What happened after they entered the bar? " That would make a good micro-bio.....
04:46 PM on 05/06/2011
How about: "If You Can't Be a Good Example, You'll Just Have To Be a Horrible Warning"
07:26 PM on 05/06/2011
Attribution: the very funny and wise author, Jennifer Crusie