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With Bin Laden's Death, Torture Is Still Not The Answer

Posted: 05/05/11 02:28 PM ET

Since the death of Osama Bin Laden on Sunday, the architects of the torture program have rushed to resurrect their claim that enhanced interrogation techniques protected our nation in the aftermath of 9/11. Disregarding the absence of clear facts and overeager to justify an illegal operation, Jonathan Yoo, Jose Rodriquez, Marc Thiessen, Donald Rumsfeld, and others have claimed credit for capturing bin Laden by the use of waterboarding and other acts of torture on high-level detainees during the Bush Administration. In their minds, their despicable acts have been vindicated.

But the truth is that torture did not help America find Osama bin Laden. And torture did not keep us safer. It created enemies, passionate enemies, who feel compelled to respond to the degradation and inflicted pain. It is well accepted that the pictures of Abu Ghraib were used as a recruiting tool by al Qaeda since they became public in 2004. News of the torture program has also cost us the good will of potential allies in the search for bin Laden, who could have helped us locate him years earlier.

Torture debases the persons tortured, as well as the torturers, and it violates the basic tenets of all major religions. It is illegal and it is immoral. As the Statement of Conscience of the National Religious Campaign Against Torture states, "Torture violates the basic dignity of the human person that all religions, in their highest ideals, hold dear ... It contradicts our nation's most cherished values. Any policies that permit torture and inhumane treatment are shocking and morally intolerable."

There are two truths that are common to most people of faith: that every human being is created in God's image and that we should love our neighbors as ourselves, the innumerable variations on the Golden Rule.

Being created in God's image is not trivial sentiment. If one takes God seriously, as Americans of faith do, then one has to take the image of God seriously, to recognize every person, even one's enemy, as sacred. Torture desecrates the image of God found in the victim. Not even our own survival permits us as a nation to torture, because if we desecrate the image of God to do so, then we have survived as monsters.

But the Golden Rule is also a powerful moral compass. We cannot do to our enemies what we would not want done to our own troops. Indeed, Americans of all religious backgrounds are less likely to support the use of torture when they understand that it permits those who would harm us to inflict these techniques on American soldiers.

The Universal Declaration of Human Rights was written in response to the horrors of the Second World War. It begins with the sacredness and equality of all human beings, stating: "Whereas recognition of the inherent dignity and of the equal and inalienable rights of all members of the human family is the foundation of freedom, justice and peace in the world." Article 5 prevents the use of torture and the Convention Against Torture, signed by 77 countries including the United States is a result of that Declaration. It prohibits the use of torture under all circumstances, without exception. Indeed, torture regarded in international law as so reprehensible that it is akin to genocide or slavery. But the proponents of torture now claiming success restricted the American legal understanding of torture to allow for a range of illegal interrogation techniques, including waterboarding.

In the days after 9/11, we were told that the world had changed and that the gloves needed to come off in dealing with our enemies. Appealing to moral values, to the values that have held in the United States since the Revolutionary War (when George Washington would not torture British prisoners) is painted as weak. But it is actually a sign of strength, a counterbalance of the impulse for revenge. Acting out of revenge is easy. Finding God in every human being is hard.

The proponents of the Bush torture program still do not understand that torture was not -- and is not -- the answer to keeping America safer. They cannot use bin Laden's death as a cover for having permitted the United States to break American and international law on the use of torture. This is the time to establish a government-sponsored Commission of Inquiry with full subpoena power to let the public know the full extent and consequences of the torture program. The vehemence of the proponents' support for the torture program and the lack of a complete record of what the United States government did in the secret prisons, Abu Ghraib, Guantanamo, and Bagram demand a full accounting. The supporters of the Bush torture program should welcome a Commission of Inquiry. If they believe what they say, they should not be afraid of the facts. We all deserve to know the truth about torture.

Rabbi Rachel Kahn-Troster is Director of Education and Outreach for Rabbis for Human Rights-North America and a member of the board of the National Religious Campaign Against Torture.

 
 
 
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Farsha
12:44 PM on 05/09/2011
"Torture or not" this whole discussion is to console guilt of common people.

CIA using torture in not something new or specific to operations in middle east or Bush administration thing. Yes it might have been in spot light due to frequency of cases and explosion of media and internet.

politcal killings, kidnappings, renditions, threats and arm twisting are a norm. Ex: Sister Dianna ortiz , a american nun in her book "Blindfolds Eyes" tells how even she was not spared and was repeated raped and tortured in Guatemala
02:47 PM on 05/07/2011
I have always felt the United States of America was better than this. We teach our children to be true to themselves and their beliefs. We teach children to play the game fair and are alarmed when an athlete cheats at the game and we then punish him/her. For us to go beyond what civilized society has stated is the limit in interrogation is unexceptable. We are then no better than the people we are fighting. If government officials have gone beyond the boundaries of laws and treaties then they should be punished. If we do not punish those government officials for these violations then the Nation is no better than the perpetuators. Torture certainly does not fit my concept of "Christian". Two wrongs don't make a right.
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Dosadi
Political agnostic
09:02 PM on 05/06/2011
Hey! We should listen to someone who knows. The testimony of the man who questioned KSM http://judiciary.senate.gov/hearings/testimony.cfm?id=3842&wit_id=7906
ALABAMALEFTIST
What is to be done?
02:56 PM on 05/06/2011
I don't know if people who commit torture enjoy it or not but I sure know people who enjoy hearing about it. They seem to be fascinated by the idea, they wish they could do it themselves. They are the same people who favor the death penalty and think it is not invoked frequently enough. They are the same people who want to let people starve and suffer without medical care. They want to put undocumented aliens in prison and punish women who have abortions. They want to attack and kill people who don't like us because we attack and kill them. Funny, none of them are socialists or leftists or progressives or liberals. They're Republicans
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mansterEZ
searching for secular humanist fact-based truth
09:22 PM on 05/06/2011
Go figure. Conservatives used to be all about supporting individual freedom, but were hijacked by abracadabratards somewhere along the way. They have become the brunt of most jokes. This must be waking Uncle Ronny up from his alzheimer's stupor.

Here's a caveat: A secret benefactor from PA donated enough money to erect a billboard supporting atheism in heavily conservative Orange County CA that reads: "DON"T BELIEVE IN GOD? Join the club". A non-believers convention is being held at the Irvine Hilton May 15 and I plan to attend. The vitriol in the local paper (OC Register) and subsequent postings regarding this sign is Christian exceptionalism & demonization on full display. If I didn't know better, I'd think we were on the brink of full-out war.
02:00 PM on 05/06/2011
Would you kill a child to save 50?
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Dosadi
Political agnostic
09:03 PM on 05/06/2011
That is akin to asking "Would you kill your parents to save yourself?"
09:07 PM on 05/06/2011
No, not really. 2 forced deaths for 1 life would beyond the bounds of morality.

One for on is sketchy. But 1 to save 50 is a life saving slam dunk!
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mansterEZ
searching for secular humanist fact-based truth
09:34 PM on 05/06/2011
How about executing one innocent person to justify keeping 1000 others on death row? Gov. Brown in CA is considering commuting all death row inmates to life in prison without the possibility of parole which would save the state Billions of $. It costs the state 3X what it takes to house a normal convict (apprx 50K/yr). There are apprx 180,000 inmates in CA state institutions not including county and city jails. There are 713 inmates on CA death row, yet the state hasn't executed anyone since 2006 (29 have died of natural causes since then).

What is the definition of insanity again?
02:00 PM on 05/06/2011
How the heck does she know this?

"But the truth is that torture did not help America find Osama bin Laden. And torture did not keep us safer. "
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Dosadi
Political agnostic
09:01 PM on 05/06/2011
Because it didn't.  Even Rumsfeld has said as much.

The guy who interrogated KSM says so.

Who is saying otherwise?

The testimony of the man who questioned KSM
http://judiciary.senate.gov/hearings/testimony.cfm?id=3842&wit_id=7906
researcher
researcher
01:58 PM on 05/06/2011
have you noticed that the more a person considers themselves religious the more they promote torture. this nation claims to be a christian nation and we have the death sentence, wars for corp profits, wall street greed, pre existing medical conditions to enhance CEO mega bonuses, a capitalist system of profits over people, now we torture. christian nation indeed. :-(

hold your heads very high fundamentalist christians as you promote torture and support your wars for corp profits and deny medical coverage to people in need of medical care. not!
01:59 AM on 05/08/2011
Consider reading "Moral Minority, Our Skeptical Founding Fathers." -2006 by Brooke Allen
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DocJoseph
A bleeding heart will heal; a cold heart will not
11:45 AM on 05/06/2011
@non-radical.
Torture is ineffective, but more importantly, it's illegal. The latter is indisputable. Bush can't leave the country because he would be arrested in almost every civilized country (including, I believe, Switzerland).
As for being ineffective, the torture program ended 6 years before the killing of bin Laden, and the "link" to that method of obtaining information is tenuous at best. In fact, it seems that the tortured lied while being tortured. It was ordinary intelligence, technology, and dogged diligence that led to bin Laden.
11:24 AM on 05/06/2011
"Torture violates the basic dignity of the human person that all religions, in their highest ideals, hold dear ... It contradicts our nation's most cherished values. Any policies that permit torture and inhumane treatment are shocking and morally intolerable."
It would be very difficult for any human being of goodwill to disagree with this quote. However, is it not a fact that the diverse religious "scriptures" available and used to "educate" our children are contaminated by allegoric references of violence, including torture and death? Shouldn't we--for the benefit of our children, and Humanity at large--revise these "scriptures" and rid them of any and all references to violence and torture?
In the hands of selfish, violent, extremist political manipulators, these references are frequently used as an excuse to incite acts of revenge and violence, the cause of pain and suffering to so many humans throughout History.
Is it not time for all secular and religious leaders to come together in a unified effort to promote a fresh narrative of high morality, and publicly denounce and condemn any act of violence--including torture--and disrespect of human life, dignity and intellectual freedom?
Your effort in this article is appreciated.
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AlanDente
Noses: made to hold glasses
05:03 PM on 05/07/2011
The 2 almost-saving graces of Christianity and reform Judaism are the fact that, on the whole, the process you describe above has happened and is happening. Many strands of Christianity in particular have a funny trait of constantly self-revising whilst often insisting that what remains is- and always will be- the unchanged and inerrant word of God. We let them get away with it 'cos it makes us safer and happier ;)

One of the main problems currently is that mainstream Islam does not allow for this type of revision and reform. Islamic scholars, on the whole, quibble over very minor points and any potential reformist is often pilloried and threatened with violence (see the example that occurred recently here in the UK of a man called Usama Hasan- can be found on Dawkins' website or, like, google or whatever).

It is possible to be a very patient, moderate, kind and intelligent citizen of a progressive European nation, whilst at the same time tacitly approving of the murder of your muslim neighbour for the 'crime' of apostasy.

You are right that scriptures often resist revision- however, some resist far harder (and more violently) than others!
01:38 AM on 05/08/2011
"We are entitled to our own opinions, not to our own facts."

Religious fanaticism thrives on answering while bypassing questioning. The same old, antiquated narratives, interpreted--with exclusivity and arrogance--by people intolerant of healthy questioning and reasoning, have failed to move us to a higher ground.

I am not so worried about how the body of "OBL" may have been buried, as to how we are going to bury his negative message of intolerance, violence and terror.

Maybe if we open our minds and change the narrative, we increase the chance for a better and more peaceful future.
10:33 AM on 05/06/2011
1) The arguments supporting torture, and claiming that it produced "the critical intelligence" always assume that torture is the only method, and/or the best method for obtaining that information. Under torture, anyone will eventually confess to anything and say anything they think the torturer wants them to. Again, read what "Sherwood Moran USMC" had to say on the subject. He was the expert.

2) The white house legal experts were asked to write a legal opinion justifying torture, not an opinion on whether torture is justified. There is a difference. As skilled lawyers they could just as effectively produced a legal opinion going the other way. That's what lawyers do.

3) If any means are acceptable, would you torture a person's children in front of them to get them to reveal the information. That's been done in the past with considerable success, but as I recall, it was disapproved of at both Nuremberg and Tokyo, with fatal consequences for the proponents.

I don't believe that our western values are so fragile that we have to destroy them in order to protect them. We don't have to burn down the village in order to save it.
10:15 AM on 05/06/2011
Torture is always wrong, but especially wrong in the specific case of the aftermath of 9/11. Why? Because our use of torture puts our own soldiers and operators at greater risk for so little payoff. The information gleaned from torture is unreliable. There are better and more reliable and efficient ways to get the same information. The identification of bin Ladin's hideout took 10 years. This fact alone especially illustrates that we had time to employ other methods. Finally, if we are a Christian nation (I am not saying we are, but this is one point of view) or if we are an enlightened nation deserving of continuation (I am not saying we are, but this is one point of view) then we ought to be willing to suffer to uphold certain principles, including the non-use of torture, unprovoked first strike and undeclared war surprise attack.
09:56 AM on 05/06/2011
Keep your head in the sand. Torture? YES!! ABSOLUTLY!!! Water boarding? YES!! ABSOLUTLY!!!
If brutal interrogation is what it takes to make people talk BEFORE innocent people are blown apart. Yes!! What ever means necessary to protect YOUR family. The leaders of this country are surrounded by Cops and Agents from a dozen branches of service. Who is protecting your family? Make terrorists talk by whatever means necessary. If it includes torture and waterboarding YES YES YES. USN Ret.
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conscioushope
"There is no darkness but ignorance." Shakespeare
10:01 AM on 05/06/2011
NO, NO, NO.
10:47 AM on 05/06/2011
YES YES YES!!!!!
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Cindbird
10:41 AM on 05/06/2011
Torture does NOT get you facts, it gets you made up stories so you will STOP. If we can't torture a kidnapper in the police station to get the whereabouts of his victim, then we can't torture the enemy because he "might" blow something up. This country used to be a country of morality. We used to say, no torture at no time. Not ONE of the people tortured under the Bush Administration EVER gave the location of OBL. Not ONE. The man had been living in the same place for at least 5 years. So for the last 3 years of the Bush Administration he was living in plain sight. Did ANY of the people who were waterboarded give an address, a phone number? No. They made up stuff, they lied, they said whatever it took to make it stop. It didn't make us safe. It put our soldiers in MORE danger. It created MORE terrorists. And it destroyed the morality of the Americans who were doing it. It created a military state under the guise of National Security. And it has become a stain on this nation's conscience.
10:50 AM on 05/06/2011
You Cindy have not clue what your talking about. During the Vietnam war. They gave three majors a ride in a helicopter. Asked questions. No one answered. Gave one his airborne freedom. Asked the next two the same questions. No one answered. Gave the next one his airborne freedom too. Couldn't shut up the third. It works.
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Shirley Fisk
Homeless Old Crank
07:23 AM on 05/06/2011
5/6/11
7:23am
Washington, DC

I don't remember reading anything about torture in the Torah or the Bible. The leaders would consult their prophets for advice.
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AlanDente
Noses: made to hold glasses
07:53 AM on 05/06/2011
Some might argue that public stoning to death equates to torture. And there's plenty of mention of that in both.

Still others might suggest that deliberate repression of homosexuality in a population that must have contained homosexuals is psychological torture, particularly when coupled with the threat of the above punishment.

I would argue that 'Thou shalt not torture' at least deserves to be one of the 10 Commandments!
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conscioushope
"There is no darkness but ignorance." Shakespeare
08:26 AM on 05/06/2011
I'm with you, Alan! I can't believe that we have to have the discussion of whether or not torture is acceptable or not. faned
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Shirley Fisk
Homeless Old Crank
01:07 PM on 05/07/2011
5/7/11
1:07pm
Washington, DC

"Thou shalt not torture" would be a good one.
09:59 AM on 05/06/2011
There wasn't any torture. They just flat out killed everyone. Men, Women, Childeren and all the animals. They were infected in their bodies, their minds and their souls. Even the animals were corrupt. God instructed their vanquishment, clean out the varmin. The Hebrews didn't listen so we are still dealing with their decendants. Great just great.
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AlanDente
Noses: made to hold glasses
05:18 PM on 05/07/2011
During Joshua's bloodsoaked conquest of Canaan, the Israelites were instructed to keep the virgin girls for themselves. Forced integration/rape by foreign invading forces (such as sometimes takes place in central Africa, for example, today) is now thought of as a weapon of war- perhaps on a par with torture.

But yeah, to be fair to the Ancient Israelites, they did tend to kill everything before torture became an option. It was more of a logistical issue, than a moral scruple, I think.
lastpost
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07:00 AM on 05/06/2011
“It is well accepted that the pictures of Abu Ghraib were used as a recruiting tool by al Qaeda since they became public in 2004”.
Barack obviously appreciates that imagery can be used as propaganda, and acts to withhold such artifacts when he can. But for those instances where that power of suppression refuses to conform to his purview, there is another strategy he must master. Never allow it to occur in the first place.

“There are two truths that are common to most people of faith: that every human being is created in God's image and that we should love our neighbors as ourselves”,
And in addition. The moral high ground is not a plateau, perched at the very pinnacle of a pile of prostrate people. Only the true infidel, shows no fidelity to humankind.

“This is the time to establish a government-sponsored Commission of Inquiry with full subpoena power to let the public know the full extent and consequences of the torture program”.
Logic dictates that those who support it could offer no reasons. Why it should not be used upon them, in pursuance of the truth about torture.
10:00 AM on 05/06/2011
Abu Ghraid was NOT torture. It was loud music and humiliation. NOTHING more. Dropping people off buildings now that was harsh. That is what Saddam Insane did.
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patches12
05:34 AM on 05/06/2011
Stop your insipid moralizing... its very easy to do from the comfort of a chair in your office or home

George Bush also made a very tough call... he knew we were at war with terrorists... people willing to die to kill us.....He knew we needed a way to extract information to prevent future attacks so he asked his CIA & Justice Department to see what could be done. The came up with enhanced or harsh interrogation techniques including the now infamous water boarding.

First some facts:

1.we water boarded only three key al queda operatives including the 9/11 mastermind, KSM
IT WORKED - we go a whold bunch of important information and anyone who denies it is a LIAR - waterboarding was not used on everyone captured and was not routinely used outside three key operatives... it was used with discretion on high value suspects in the presence of a doctor who monitored the subjects and prevented any physical harm! All of our special ops guys including the SEALs who shot bin laden are water boarded in training

2. all these techniques were approved by very reputable lawyers within the Bush Administration and notwithstanding all the bombast from the Left about breaking the law... no laws were broken.. no indictments handed down.. nothing -PERIOD..
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conscioushope
"There is no darkness but ignorance." Shakespeare
08:28 AM on 05/06/2011
Say what you will. Torture is never OK....I don't care who "approved" it. Never.
01:22 PM on 05/06/2011
1. We have engaged in forms of torture other than waterboarding. That is, if you want to believe the head judge at the Military Commissions tribunals, inspectors general, Pentagon reports, President George W. Bush's General Counsel of the Navy, several generals, scores of officers in the JAG corps, and virtually every independent organnization that has examined the issue.

2. No reliable information was obtained. FBI Director Mueller, when asked whether any attacks had been disrupted by information obtained through torture, said, "I don't believe that has been the case."

3. In training, our SEALs do not believe they might be killed. We also train soldiers by putting them in gas-filled rooms with no gas masks. Are you suggesting we could do that to prisoners?

4. The "very reputable lawyers" were harshly critcized by the Justice Department's Office of Professional Responsiblity, and their legal opinions were withdrawn by the Bush Justice Department. Their "advice" was at the far fringe of any accepted legal theory, and they could not have possibly believed any courts would uphold their reading of the law. The more likely view is that their "advice" was merely providing legal cover for already decided -- and maybe already engaged in -- illegal practices.

5. Multiple laws were broken. By refusing to investigate allegaltions of torture, by blocking all attempts at civil remedies, by rendering prisoners to countries that systematically engage in torture, by having secret prisons, the Obama administration is also failing to comply with treaty requirements.