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What Men Talk About

Posted: 11/2/07

The biggest complaint I hear from wives these days is that their husbands don't speak to them. They don't share their emotions, they don't let them into their hearts. Marriages that suffer from a lack of intimate communication, focusing on the practical at the expense of the emotional, are destined to corrode. Even if they survive, they will leave both partners lonely. Here then, are the 10 reasons why husbands don't open up to their wives.

1. Most men feel like failures: Immersed in a culture that judges them solely by how much money they have and how professionally successful they are, most men feel inadequate. The last thing they want to do is talk about how they don't measure up. They would rather retreat into themselves, into a world of either self-pity or non-feeling.

2. Men feel emasculated: Because men, by the middle of their lives, mostly feel like their professional dreams have been crushed, and all they can do is read about truly successful giants like Steve Jobs or George Clooney, they feel emasculated. They don't feel like men. So they can't share their feelings with their wives because, when they do feel, all they feel is pain. Better to escape the feeling of emasculation by obsessing over sports or endlessly discussing business. For the same reasons of emasculation, they also often don't make love to their wives. They become porn addicts instead, addicted to fantasy women whose fictitious eroticism serves as a drug that boosts the macerated male ego.

3. Men are trained not to feel: Men are successful professionally specifically by burying, rather than expressing, their emotions. Whether it is the soldier in Iraq who has to kill and watch his buddies die and still continue the mission, or the doctor who has to operate on a child with cancer, or a Wall Street trader who makes money specifically by not reacting emotionally to the volatility of the markets, men are trained to deaden their emotions. Suddenly, when they come home, their wives want them to talk and they are at a loss as to how.

4. Men feel that they have to be providers: Men don't think that what their wives want from them is feelings. On the contrary, they are trained to believe that a wife wants a provider rather than a companion, a moneymaker rather than an intimate soul-mate. Throughout the day he becomes a human doing, rather than a human being. No one is interested in his being. Bosses are interested in men for their productivity. Even when he dates women before he marries, the first thing the woman asks him is, "What do you do?"

The message he gets is that it is his hands rather than his heart which is valued.

5. Men put action before emotion: Men, in their friendships with each other, almost never talk. They do things together rather than talk to each other. Women are always sharing conversation with their friends, mostly about relationships. Not men who typically play cards together, watch the game together, or go fishing. They seldom talk. So when they come home to their wives they don't understand that this isn't just another male friendship. This is a woman. She is softer, gentler, and she wants to hear your heart.

6. Men focus on subjects they can master: Studies show that there are five subjects that men discuss. They are, in order of importance: money, sports, women, politics, and cars.

Notice that emotions isn't on the list. That's because men talk about subjects they can master. They are goal-oriented rather than means-oriented. For them, the journey is not the reward. Conquest is the reward. They are interested in subjects that make them feel powerful. Emotions, by contrast, often overpower them. So they don't see the point of talking about their emotions. It's not going to help anything, is it? It simply not practical enough. So they close up and instead talk about the purely functional with their wives, like picking up the dry-cleaning.

7. A wife who marries a loser is a loser squared: The average man who feels like a failure looks at the woman dumb enough to marry him as being an ever bigger loser than he is. If he is a nothing, then she, who is bone of his bone and flesh of his flesh, is a double nothing. He will not speak to someone who is even more worthless, even less consequential, then he is.

8. Husbands use sex, rather than conversation, to mend arguments: When husbands and wives have arguments, the husband mistakenly believes that he can paper over the argument with sex rather than dialogue. He sees a crack in the pavement and rather than digging it up and fixing the foundation underneath, he believes that the quick fix of adding concrete will suffice. He goes into practical mode and lays down a superficial covering over the breach. There, problem solved. Of course, it's sure to crack again, but heck, for now it worked, right, and I can go back to watching football.

9. At home, men are lazy: A lot of husbands don't speak to their wives out of sheer, selfish, laziness. Immersed in a culture that judges them by the quantity in their bank accounts rather than the quality of their relationships, they put all their energy into the office and come home a broken, tired shell. They simply have no energy to talk and whatever energy they still have they reserve for their fingers to work the remote.

10. Conversations between spouses have become boring: Husbands and wives have lost the art of erotic talk and intimate conversation. They don't talk to each other because often the conversations are predictable and boring, dominated as they are by the most practical issues. The antidote is for husbands and wives to declare 9 p.m. and on, after the kids are in bed, a function-free zone. No practical conversations about school, the kids, or planning family vacations. Husbands have to learn that their wives have a subterranean erotic dimension that they rarely witness. Wives are surrounded by men who flirt with them at work and stare at them at the grocery store. But rather than the husband give his wife an erotic interrogation that would spark an exciting conversation, he assumes that she is as boring as he believes his marriage to be. If only he were to engage her as a woman -- and not as a wife -- the sparks would fly and the tongue would be atwitter.

The writer's upcoming book, The Broken American Male (and How to Fix Him), will shortly be published by St. Martin's Press.

 
 
 

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01:21 PM on 11/05/2007
If a man wants his wife to fall in love with him again, all he has to do is get up for the 2AM feeding and let her sleep. Tell her to go out to lunch with her friends one Saturday while he plays with the kids. Love his kids so much that she knows they will be well care for should anything happen to her.
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11:22 AM on 11/05/2007
I have fallen into so many of those enumerated pitfalls that I am intimately and painfully aware of them all.

What saves me is a wife that gently reminds me that she CHOSE me -- how could I possibly not be good enough for her?! She says it would be an insult to her to say I was not good enough, rich enough, smart enough, sexy enough. To question that would be to question her judgement, her sanity.

She doesn't much care for the "safe" topics of conversati­on, either. Like some of the commenters mention above, sometimes that does lead to an argument. But if you really listen instead of retreating into a wounded ego, you really do learn something about yourself and your partner. It's hard, though. It's way easier to play the "unjustly accused", the misunderst­ood, the victim.

And I like to point out to my wife that I may be 80% OK and maybe 20% might need fixing, but if you fixate on that 20% it WILL become 100% and you will blind yourself to what is good in your marriage.

Billy Joel sang "I Love You Just the Way You Are". I like to remind my wife that that is a good attitude for women to take once in a while, too. Too much tinkering -- like some of the comments above say -- and you wind up with someone who is not who you fell in love with.

My marriage is far from perfect. We've suffered through some loveless, sexless years, and even a separation­. But we remain committed to finding a way to make it work. I'm finding that so much of the work to be done is my work. Parents, friends, and society really do a lousy job of training and educating men for marriage.

I trust my wife, and I trust my heart. I can't undo the past. I only have today. And what I do and say today shapes what happens tomorrow. Don't take this as advice. If it doesn't come from within you, it's a waste of time.
03:07 AM on 11/05/2007
Wow. What a depressing article. Perhaps if we dealt with each other as human beings instead of Men and Women, things would be better?
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06:07 AM on 11/04/2007
Talking to a woman about what you honestly think or feel will only get you into an argument. She only wants an opportunit­y to instruct you.
06:11 PM on 11/03/2007
Men judge themselves by materialis­tic and ego-driven standards set by thier own fathers.
A square green patch of land, a foreign car, a trophy, an accolade..­..this is how men identify the success of another when they speak-by what they've accomplish­ed, what they have,where they've been, what books written, where they went to college...
But as women we don't really care about these things, though men think that we do. What we'd really want most is to be listened to as an intelligen­t being and not judged by thier same standards. What we'd really like would be an encouragin­g word, some understand­ing, some listening.­.It's really not that mysterious what women want.
Men also want to define themselves as some sort of comic-boy heros to women. As a single woman, most men I've met guys start out a conversati­on either reliving thier glory days from college, or telling me about thier stock portfolios­....Yet when I actually pin any of them down as to what era these guys are stuck in-Mtn climbing in the Himalayas,­trekking in India,what a bitch their ex-wife is...it was more than 25 yrs ago-yet it is 20 yrs ago that these guys still see themselves in. It's at that point I realize-(n­ot nice of me to judge-I know)it's no wonder these men are single-the­y are stuck in thier own ego-driven world and the real world of who they are NOW-does not seem to either matter to them or else escapes them.It's why I stay away from dating sites too-it's hard enough to try to define yourself in some stupid profile-bu­t when men don't even know themselves to begin with...why should I even bother?
12:43 PM on 11/03/2007
Men have had the luxury of defining their place in society, since they have had the upper-hand for the last 10,000 years. They are "society". They created it, and have sustained it for thousands of years. If a majority of men feel limited and inhibited by their chosen traditiona­l roles, then change them. After all, men prefer action to emotion. But you don't get to be masters of your universe and then blame women when we expect more from you than just a paycheck.
07:25 PM on 11/02/2007
When I told my parents that my girlfriend would soon become my wife, my mother immediatel­y began talking about grandchild­ren.
A day later, my father invited me to join him at the bar.

A couple beers later, Dad launched into "the talk" about women.

"Right now she's convinced you you're the best thing since buttered bread," he said, "but time will come when she prefers toast. She will__ sooner or later__ stand naked in front of a mirror and know that you must be cheating on her because you couldn't possible be attracted to what she sees. She will see inperfecti­ons in what she now sees as the perfect man. She will tinker and tinker to fix what's wrong with you until she wakes up one morning feeling she sleeps with a stranger because she "tinkered" away the heart and soul of the man she fell in love with. The single life of her female coworkers will enhance her feelings of being taken for granted. By the time she broaches the subject of "marriage counciling­" it will already be too late. You will soon be homeless and have to deal with a strange man in your house in order to pick up your kids for "visitatio­n"."

I insisted my life with my woman would prove Dad wrong. Years later, everything Dad said came true, yet he was still married to Mom after 32 years.

And here is Dad's secret, as he told me at the bar: The secret to staying married is to kiss her ass everyday and twice on sundays__a­nd always imagine her's is such a beautiful ass to kiss, too.
07:24 PM on 11/02/2007
Obviously there are women who only care about the dollars as there are men who only care about the looks.

However, I believe the majority of women would love their husband or boyfriend to be truly interested in them as a person and also share themselves­. To me, this post rings true. Unfortunat­ely for men, women have moved past the days of propping up their fragile egos because they needed to be financiall­y taken care of.

Men are the ones who are going to have to adapt because women are not going to go backwards.
06:40 PM on 11/02/2007
So it is the fault of the women in society? Or is it just society. Forgive me for asking. Time men grew up.
06:17 PM on 11/02/2007
Correction­: Instead of "sense" to mend arguments, it should have been "sex". (hmmm, sex over sense. Might be something in that.)
06:15 PM on 11/02/2007
This puts the blame on men, it seems, rather than on both parties in the marriage. I can give some more reasons why men don't talk to their wives.
A. Wives are too critical of what men say. They complain that mend don't want to communicat­e, but when we do, we are often criticized­.
B. Women like to argue too much. So when a husband starts to open up, more often than not, it turns into an argument. so it's better not to talk at all. It's much safer.

And regarding number 7, I would say that when men feel like losers, they feel that they let their wives down. Not that they feel that their wives are worse than they are, or "losers squared". It's that men can't look someone in the eye when they feel that they let them down. It's a matter of honor. Men have the feeling that, when they finally get back on top, then the relationsh­ip will be fixed, and the wives will look upon them with respect.
The reason men might use sense to mend arguments is not that they think it fixes things. It's that sex is a way of measuring if things are ok between the husband and wife. If the sex is ok, then she must be over the argument. But if she's still angry, then there won't be any sex.
Men are not lazy at home. They are beaten down by their wives. So they retreat when they come home.
Women have changed over the years. They are much too aggressive in the home than they need to be. They have been empowered, but do not understand how to use it. They create conflict in the home where it is unnecessar­y. They remove the peace (which is largely what men want). They change as soon as the wedding is over and become a different person. Then they work on changing the husband into a different person than they one they married. While men want to remain the same, and want the woman that they married to come back.
06:13 PM on 11/02/2007
This would be pathetic, if true. You're putting way too much emphasis on language. Married couples who aren't wordlessly sensitive to each others emotions aren't going to be able to fully compensate for that insensitiv­ity by tossing words back and forth. And married couples who are wordlessly sensitive to each others emotions don't need to toss words back and forth to feel their connection­. Whether or not the logos is YHWH, the word is not God.
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05:38 PM on 11/02/2007
Thank you.
05:38 PM on 11/02/2007
A very interestin­g post regarding men and their failures.