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A Hundred Shades of Grey: Are Sexual Submission and Gender Equality Mutually Exclusive?

Posted: 05/04/2012 6:50 pm

E.L. James' bestseller Fifty Shades of Grey speaks about women's secret longing to be sexually dominated by a powerful and controlling man. While I appreciate its message and worldwide appeal to women of all ages, I have some deep concerns. Many commentators appear to be assuming that this longing is in conflict with the political, legal and social gender equality that women have courageously achieved.

As a trained sex therapist, clinical psychologist and marriage counselor, I have dealt with intimate sexual connections for over four decades. I concur that the predominant sexual fantasy for many women is to be "taken" by sexy and powerful men who will, of course, ultimately fall deeply in love with them. Those fantasies can take many forms, but they are created within the minds of the women who have created the scripts, therefore they are inherently consensual.

After all, don't we encourage our young would-be princesses to adore their Snow Whites and Cinderellas from the time they are old enough to emulate them? The ultimate goal would naturally be to someday find their prince charming and be carted off to an unknown place, completely safe in the arms of their hero. I don't ever remember thinking that they would be in danger once the prince-rescuer took them over.

I never remember those rescued damsels-in-distress feeling forced to comply. They all seemed perfectly confident that their fate would be nothing but wonderful. More recent fairytale heroines, though still in dire circumstances until their rescuers arrive, are pretty feisty and don't seem in any way concerned that their momentary contract of submission to a male would endanger their power to influence their future relationship. Their heroes have changed somewhat as well; they seem more vulnerable and welcome the egalitarian and shared power that it takes to overcome their common enemy. Think Fiona and Mulan.

There are more and more public examples of shared consensual power between intimate partners as well. The new Duchess of Cambridge was able to get the British Parliament to overturn a three hundred-year-old-rule in England that gave automatic succession to the first boy child regardless if he had older sisters. If her first-born is a girl, she will be first in line for the throne. That's a pretty amazing real-life heroine, despite the fact that her position of power does not seem to in any way conflict with the comfort of being second to her husband in many other ways.

To imply that women's desires to be dominated by their men would be incompatible with the joyful accomplishments of higher education, satisfying careers and gender equality seems presumptuous to me, and I am distressed at how that is being played out in the media.

Consensual dominance/submission in intimate relationships, whichever gender assumes whichever role, has been part of the interaction between the sexes since the beginning of recorded history. In the past, Knighthood of the past often included sacrificing domination and power for the women they served. Princess Bride, the wonderful classic princess-over-servant-relationship and her submissive and agreeable slave's alternate role as the dreadful pirate is a superb example of a contractual dominance/submission role, where both are fully aware of what they are choosing and find comfort in either role.

The assumption that women's deep desire for dominance automatically places their fight for gender equality in question at all can be easily challenged by applying the same standard to male sexual fantasies and what they might imply were we to use the same standards. In my training as a sexual therapist, I was taught -- and later observed in hundreds of men -- that their most predominant sexual fantasy is watching two women making love. I don't believe anyone would immediately assume that men secretly want to be women or a passive observer. I don't believe that anyone would conclude that men are perhaps secretly tired of the responsibilities of hierarchal power and really wanted a more egalitarian, intimate relationship -- or that wanting that would make them seem less masculine.

Why are my female patients the only ones reading Fifty Shades of Grey? My male patients tell me they're really not interested in a woman's romantic sex novel. Why wouldn't more men want to know more about this deep hunger that women have, if their primary sexual fantasy was to play the male dominant role? If they wanted to play the counterpart to the dominance-desiring woman, why wouldn't they be as avid readers of these kinds of novels as women are?

Please understand that I am not taking sides here. My first understanding of the genders was primarily about men. I spent many hours as a child in my father's elite barber shop in Beverly Hills. Waiting for him to complete his workdays as "Barber to the Stars," I was privileged to sit quietly in a corner in the barber shop, seen but not known. I was also taken along when my father practiced his art on movie sets and in the privacy of powerful men's homes. I learned about these high-achieving men and what they found important, yet never formed the biases that many of my female friends had. I understood consensual and non-consensual contracts, and knew which one I wanted when I grew up.

The span of the years I've been married has covered the transition from I love Lucy to Desperate Housewives. The sexual revolution and the woman's movement, fought for elegantly by courageous and forward thinkers, only served to underscore what I already knew in my heart. There is a huge difference between consensual contracts and one-sided dominance, and both men and women often exchange roles in the former and have no say in the latter. True egalitarianism just means that both partners have more options to enjoy life when they help each other. I was never interested in accepting any role definition that had to remain fixed, no matter who it benefited or deprived.

Raising three would-be princesses who became successful and prominent strong women never seemed to be a conflict for me as a mother, or for them as women. They have shared with me that men who are comfortable with strong, self-defined women are harder to find, and that makes them sad at times. But they have also met men who welcome the sharing of power that also allows them to feel vulnerable without a loss of value. They want their men to stay confident and strong in the presence of their partner's own strength. Maybe that's where we should be searching for true answers in our own complex experiences, not accepting automatic assumptions.

 
 
 

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E.L. James' bestseller Fifty Shades of Grey speaks about women's secret longing to be sexually dominated by a powerful and controlling man. While I appreciate its message and worldwide appeal to wome...
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Jeremy Perron
01:44 PM on 06/02/2012
"The new Duchess of Cambridge was able to get the British Parliament to overturn a three hundred-year-old-rule in England that gave automatic succession to the first boy child regardless if he had older sisters. If her first-born is a girl, she will be first in line for the throne. That's a pretty amazing real-life heroine, despite the fact that her position of power does not seem to in any way conflict with the comfort of being second to her husband in many other ways."
I am sorry but where did you read that Parliament did that under Kate's insistence. There had been a movement to do that since the nineties. Also although the Act of Settlement was about three hundred years. The rule of 'sons first' dated far longer than just three hundred years.
10:09 AM on 05/08/2012
As contradictory as it may seem to some people I consider myself to be both a feminist and submissive. Oddly I find I have more honesty, respect, and trust, and hence more power in a d/s relationship than any other I have. The reality is that no scene can occur without the submissive consenting for it to happen and any dom/me who doesn't recognize that isn't one worth having.

I lost my virginity to being raped and then again by an ex-boyfriend, as a result I find that some of the scenes I have with my partner to be completely cathartic in that I can release emotions that under normal circumstances I would be too afraid to do. Being with someone who not only is into the same kinky stuff as me but is also someone I can completely trust, is more empowering than a lot of people realize.
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justsomeotherdude
02:55 PM on 05/07/2012
For the fellas on here in a bind because they feel like society, or a domineering mother, or whatever has emasculated them and they would be unconfrotable as the aggressor, I have a piece of advice when it comes to the sexy time.
"It's better to ask for forgiveness than permission", but your apology must be genuine.
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06:01 PM on 05/06/2012
The reason men are not interested in reading a women's romance novel is because we see the same type of guy getting the girls in real life. Except in real life the powerful, dominant man tends to be a sociopathic liar, with a fake personality. Sadly its dumb novels like this that lead women to believe that the guy who quickly don juan's them into bed, will be the one who will "love" them forever.
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jf12
Esta vez saldré como las otras y me escaparé.
07:40 AM on 05/07/2012
That is correct. Women cannot understand how deeply most men are repulsed by the fact that women are so easily misled by these bad boys.
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02:26 PM on 05/07/2012
So called bad boys, most are wimps when it goes down
12:35 AM on 05/08/2012
So COMPLETELY true! Repulsed is the word...
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Mike Dehart
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08:38 AM on 05/08/2012
What ive found in my own experiences though is that later the woman tends to go running back to the "safe" guy when the relationship with the "bad boy" goes south. What women tend to forget is the guy friend telling her all along that the bad boy is no good and her ignoring it. As men we often laugh at this behavior. What annoys us the most is when that lightbulb goes off and the woman relaizes that the "bad boy" she thought was rough, tough and in control is really narcisistic, shallow, lame and ignorant they think we forgot what was said or done to us when we tried to approach her the first time.

I ran into one of my high school brushoffs years later...she wouldnt give me the time of day..but she was sure happy to try to talk to me when all the bad boys had gone away and she is left with 2 bad marriages, 3 children and nothing to show for her life. While I didnt comment on her life I simply said...."You didnt talk to me then..I have no interest in talking to you now." and walked away.
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see-ellen2001
04:12 PM on 05/06/2012
I read a quote years ago that said something to the effect of domination fantasies are when Robert Redford just won't take No for an answer :)
reciprocat
On November 6, 2012...God blessed America
09:51 AM on 05/08/2012
Oh that's good!
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jamie461
01:41 PM on 05/05/2012
I don't think it's necessary to over-analyze these issues. There are many of us women who are "in charge" in our careers and elsewhere in our public lives. How hard is it to understand the desire to surrender yourself entirely to a man in private?
02:53 PM on 05/07/2012
Part of the reason people keep talking about this is a desire to assume all women want the same thing, all the time.
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jf12
Esta vez saldré como las otras y me escaparé.
01:20 AM on 05/05/2012
"Men .. are sad" because we tend to not believe that women want the men to be confident and strong, because women behave as if women want the opposite.
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oregonian68
McCarthy was right.
12:19 PM on 05/07/2012
Women do want confident and strong men. They don't want some guy crying in the front of them without good reason. It makes them look weak.
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jf12
Esta vez saldré como las otras y me escaparé.
12:34 PM on 05/07/2012
What women want is "that" man to be confident and strong, the one who isn't her husband. "This" confident strong man, women will exert all their wiles and influence to bring down so he knows they do not find him so confident and strong.

I seriously do not know any women that are not constantly testing and goading their husbands.
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oregonian68
McCarthy was right.
01:28 PM on 05/07/2012
Good grief, Can we have a mens section? That's where women can listen in on our conversations and save lots of money by going straight to the source, not silly magazines written by single and gay people. No offense to gays.
12:51 AM on 05/05/2012
"Why are my female patients the only ones reading Fifty Shades of Grey? My male patients tell me they're really not interested in a woman's romantic sex novel. Why wouldn't more men want to know more about this deep hunger that women have, if their primary sexual fantasy was to play the male dominant role?"
Don't have answers but I wonder is it ;
-because men feel even less comfortable discussing romance, broaching with their partners what they both want ?
-perhaps practically because what is depicted is a female fantasy?
-are men generally (not ones attending psychologists) - in line with all other aspects of their health- even less willing than women to discuss their sexual intimacy issues- maybe they still see themselves as strong & silent & not allowed to ask for help- embarrassed ?
- even women -from the little I can tell - still feel problems with sexual relationships are extremely embarrassing to discuss & when they do- assume always it's going to be a physical thing- a hormonal problem, a weak pelvic floor etc that needs a quick fix and resist the idea a relationship might just need application, discussion, romance, some "creative kink". Like some libraries do they both still see these ideas as intrinsically improper or indecent things within relationships
02:42 PM on 05/07/2012
Yes!

Especially:

"perhaps practically because what is depicted is a female fantasy?"

Fifty Shades of Grey is no masterpiece, but people do have a habit of dismissing anything targeted at women as "low." Men don't need to read it or appreciate it. It is enough for women to like it.
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12:18 AM on 05/05/2012
I agree with the author that desiring some male domination in the bedroom doesn't negate the gains of feminism. But there is still a mixed message. With all the indoctirnation we men get about rape culture, male privilege, and DV, I would not for a minute consider being a sexual aggressor or dominant. Not only does it fly in the face of the aforementioned indoctrination, it seems extremely risky from a legal perspective. Today consent can be withdrawn after the fact just by stating it was never given. In a he-said:she-said before a judge I have no doubt which party would be in jail.
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MissTake1989
Equal means equal, hypocrites.
06:51 AM on 05/05/2012
And the modern feminists win.

A small cadre of misandrist speaks for all women and men believe them and most women suffer.
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05:55 PM on 05/06/2012
Well said. I for one have a hard time hitting on women because I somehow feel I am "violating" them. It really is confusing to be raised one way by society, then be expected to act the opposite way. More than once I have confused women by trying to be nice and respectful, and they confused me socially expecting me to make all the moves.
11:21 PM on 05/04/2012
Great blog! I am a successful professional woman and I have been happily married for ten years. I can certainly speak for myself that as much as I enjoy being a strong, independent, professional working woman, I love my husband being the dominant in the bedroom. Its exhausting to be strong and the dominant everywhere in my life.
I have read all three of the Fifty Shades books and I love the books for their message - you can find your equilibrium in a relationship when it comes to many factors such as love, sex, power, etc. The key is that it takes time to find the equilibrium and there has to be constant communication in the relationship to arrive at such an equilibrium. Thanks EL James for the great message your trilogy sends.
To the haters of Fifty Shades - perhaps you should take some time for some serious introspection to determine why you are threatened by these books.
12:54 AM on 05/05/2012
I am getting a feeling the story has made women - at least for now- feel its now almost a mainstream thing to openly broach these ideas
07:41 PM on 05/04/2012
Great article Randi, thanks for sharing
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12:10 AM on 05/05/2012
Hey Christian, I accidently flagged your post as abusive. Sorry about that. I've sent in a request to have it cleared.