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Rep. Raúl M. Grijalva

Rep. Raúl M. Grijalva

Posted: April 30, 2010 09:31 AM

Arizona's Dangerous Precedent -- and the Path Forward on Immigration Reform

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Last week, Arizona Gov. Jan Brewer signed a statewide law forcing local police officers to question and potentially detain anyone they "reasonably suspect" to be an undocumented immigrant. If you believe our local law enforcement agencies, who will be required to implement the mandates of this law, it will lead to mistrust between police and the people they have sworn to protect. The law violates due process, civil rights, and federal sovereignty over immigration policy. While I believe the courts will quickly overturn it, I am concerned that the damage to my home state's credibility has already been done.

Arizona has long been the epicenter of our national immigration debate. Unfortunately, that debate has been driven by extremists like Maricopa County Sheriff Joe Arpaio, who is under a federal investigation for civil rights abuses. Arpaio, like Gov. Brewer, seems to believe that every immigrant is equally capable of being a violent drug dealer to be dealt with harshly. Although this belief has no basis in fact, it has been the foundation of a fear-based campaign against immigrants and people of Hispanic descent for years.

Indeed, opportunistic political voices have worked hard to make a connection between crime and immigration where none exists. Forget the rhetoric for a moment and consider the facts. In 2008, the Immigration Policy Center found that on the national level, U.S.-born men aged 18 to 39 are five times more likely to be incarcerated than immigrants. While the number of undocumented immigrants in the country doubled between 1994 and 2005, violent crime declined by nearly 35 percent and property crimes by 26 percent over the same period.

Unfortunately, this information doesn't change the way people think about immigration. It's become a gut reaction issue. If you think immigrants are criminals, then a law targeting anyone "reasonably suspected" of being an immigrant sounds like a good idea. Even though prominent officials at all levels - from President Obama to border county sheriffs - have called the law unjust and counterproductive, there will always be a constituency for this kind of punitive measure.

Turning immigrants into scapegoats for every social and economic setback is not what America should be about. The new Arizona law has introduced the unspoken word "race" into the debate. By promoting racial profiling as a legal tool, it has effectively unmasked a very real motivation for some people to oppose meaningful immigration reform.

I believe we need comprehensive, nationwide immigration reform, and while we continue to debate what that should look like, I believe the laws of this country should be enforced and respected. Those laws include the principle that the federal government, not state or local authorities, sets immigration policy. States can no more supersede federal immigration law than enter into their own treaties with foreign governments. By inventing a new way for local officials to treat American citizens as potential criminals, Arizona has violated that principle. The state has said, in effect, that if you're walking down the street and forgot your wallet at home, you could be hauled downtown because you look like an undocumented immigrant. That's not how the rule of law works in this country.

On a practical level, local law enforcement agencies do not have the manpower or financial capacity to serve triple duty as street cops, Border Patrol agents and Immigration & Customs Enforcement officers. Conservatives who worry about government overreach and unfunded mandates should be up in arms about this law. Their silence is disappointing. This is not a left-right issue, it's a question of basic Constitutional process.

Voters should not be blind to the troubling aspects of this law: it sets a legal precedent that anyone "reasonably suspected" of a crime is subject to questioning and search without a warrant, and it suggests that other states should feel free to invent their own immigration laws. This is not a road we want to travel any further down than we already have. This law should be overturned without delay, and Congress should take up comprehensive reform the same day.

As far as what that reform should look like, I remain a proud co-sponsor of H.R. 4321, the Comprehensive Immigration Reform for America's Security and Prosperity Act of 2009. That bill takes a broad-based approach. It would protect our borders by requiring the development and implementation of border security initiatives, including information-sharing, international and federal-state-local coordination, technology exchanges, anti-smuggling initiatives, and other actions to secure the borders. It creates new opportunities for young people who were raised here, worked hard in school, and want to pursue higher education or serve their country in the military to adjust their immigration status. It requires employers to comply with new employee document verification requirements and creates a phased-in electronic employment verification system. It creates a path to legalization by requiring undocumented immigrants to register with the government, submit to a criminal background check, pay any back taxes and speak English.

This is what real reform looks like: focusing on the realities of our immigration system, not the myths and falsehoods that have led us to where we are now in Arizona.

 
 
 
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ugly american
Just say "No!" But to What?
12:28 AM on 05/17/2010
"H.R. 4321 - requires employers to comply with new employee document verification requirements and creates a phased-in electronic employment verification system. It creates a path to legalization by requiring undocumented immigrants to register with the government, submit to a criminal background check, pay any back taxes and speak English."
There is already a verification system called "E-Verify" It was proven to work but but congress refuses to make it law for employers to use it. Put that into law with stiff penalties and I think it would help keep more employers on the straight and narrow.
Legalization, you say? The way it's described is easier for illegal immigrants to become citizens than those who do it right. Many people spend years, thousands of dollars and all of thier time in thier country for the right to come here and work.
So People who sneak in should have the difficult path to citizenship reduced to a formality?!!!
It is not racist or hateful to want everyone to have to follow the same path to citizenship.
In fact, amnesty is direspectful to everyone of any color or origin whose grandparents, parents or themselves have gone through the grind America requires to become a citizen. Becoming a citizen is not even easy for people in American territories, but you would make it easy for people who violated our laws? People should be outraged at that idea, not that Arizona proposes to enforce laws the Federal government does not.
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voyager48
Illegitimi Non Carborundum
06:55 PM on 05/05/2010
Arizona is not inventing its own laws merely adding the same verbage that already exists on federal laws and requiring officers to apply them to the full extent required by federal law or be sued.

The 14th and 4th amendments activey addressed these issues long before the Hispanics strated to spread racially motivated hysteria. Minority rights derive from the constitution and laws. What is troubling is the spin that everyone is putting on it. Selective morality is what got us into this mess.

We have to strat somewhere and this is a good a place as any. We do however have to respect peoples rights and apply the law even handedly. So I ask what will be the first thing that happens when the officials encounter someone who speaks spanish and has no english. Chances are that a hispanic police officer will be asked to conduct the interview. Not some white cop who is looking for excuses to discriminate against brown people.

Probable cause and reasonable suspicion are not terms invented to create panic. They derive preceident and meaning for case law - which is where this bill will be tested. Innocent till proven guilty - that should apply to this law as well. The presumption that all law enfoprcement are going to go on the rampage is rediculous.
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voyager48
Illegitimi Non Carborundum
05:18 PM on 05/05/2010
So let me throw this one out there. 1 in 20 people in the USA today are here illegally. 1 in 4 hispanics in the USA is here illegally and this is probably a higher percentage in Arizona.

Profiling is not automatically racism but if 1 in 20 drivers on the road is illegal I say put up road blocks and check everybody's drivers license.

Estimated Hispanic population of the USA = 47 million. http://www.census.gov/Press-Release/www/releases/archives/facts_for_features_special_editions/013984.html

Estimated Illegal Mexican population 15 Million based on monies remitted to mexico in 2005 ( 16 million in 2005 and an estimated 1 million returned due to the economic downturn) with 4 - 6 million non mexican illegal immigrants

http://www.census.gov/Press-Release/www/releases/archives/facts_for_features_special_editions/013984.html
04:29 AM on 06/21/2010
15 Million you say that are illegal. Everywhere worldwide there are immigrant. Just like animals need certain other species in order to survive. Same thing in America. Migrant workers come to The United States Of America to work and pay taxes. They dont recieve the same benefits as legal ones do. Yet they struggle and manage to pay every single one of their taxes. They are putting money into are banks. Wich helps our economy bosst up a little. Imagine throwing all those 15 Million out. Our Economy is going to be in the gutters. That 15 Million bodies that work hard to support their families and live the american dream. But with this law our whole country including Arizona is going to go way down.! So please think outside of the box. Don't just have a tunnel vision like the majority of america cpmmits their action.! (:
11:12 AM on 05/04/2010
On its merits alone, amnesty is catastrophic to the USA in every conceivable way. The twenty million (or so) amnestied will have the legal right to bring in their immediate familes - which explodes the actual number to over 60,000,000, within a decade. See Robert Rector's analysis on the dire effects of adding that many people, so fast, to the welfare and social security systems - not to mention the overwhelming strain on schools systems, hospitals, health care, crime, etc. And how then are that many people expected to assimilate to the dominant culture and the English language when at that moment in time they will constitute fully one fourth of the American population? If balkanization is the desired outcome, amnesty (or its euphemism, "pathway to citizenship")is the way to go. This is utopianism and wishful-thinking off the scales. A recipe for social unrest or worse. The only sensible course for both US citizens and illegal immigrants is to do everything to encourage the migration to halt. That means finally securing the border, creating the conditions for voluntary self-deportation by penalizing unscrupulous employers and instituting a massive Marshall Plan for Mexico and Central America.
mlondeaux
A nation of sheep breeds a government of wolves.
12:21 PM on 05/06/2010
I completely agree with you Karen. Your dire portrayal of what the U.S. will be like in the near future should be frightening to everyone. Are the people in the White House so stupid that they can't foresee the problems amnesty will bring to this country? They live in a glass bubble and have no idea what the rest of us are going through. Our way of living has been compromised in so many ways. I was surprised when they started putting both Spanish and English instructional inserts into everything. Then banks, post offices, the cable company, phone company, etc all started automated systems with Spanish or English options. Now job offers giving special preference to people who can speak both English and Spanish. I went to the local drugstore the other day and asked a salesperson for help. She admitted that she couldn't understand me because she didn't speak English. How did this girl get hired? Pretty soon Spanish will be a required course in our schools. And the thing that gets me the most is when when thousands of illegals show up at protest rallies demanding amnesty. Who do these people think they are? They are here illegally and the police should take this opportunity to round them up and send them back to Mexico where they belong.
mlondeaux
A nation of sheep breeds a government of wolves.
07:51 PM on 05/03/2010
Well, it looks like the hyperlink worked after all. Forget what I said about copying and pasting. :)
mlondeaux
A nation of sheep breeds a government of wolves.
07:48 PM on 05/03/2010
To keep things fair, here is another point of view from Arizona state senator Sylvia Allen. I tried to create it as a hyperlink but it doesn't seen to be working. Copy and paste this into your browser. http://tucsoncitizen.com/the-cholla-jumps/2010/05/01/state-senator-sylvia-allen-responds-to-sb1070/ OR all I did was type in state senator sylvia allen responds to sb1070 and it automatically brought up the web page. It's about time some of the other politicians are defending Jan Brewer.
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Uncle Bill
ex-lawyer and teacher
10:12 PM on 05/03/2010
Bureau of Prisons, contrary to the Senator's claim, only 18% of federal prisoners are Mexican nationals, which would include legal residents and illegal aliens alike. Her claim is that 35% of prison inmates are illegals. http://www.bop.gov/news/quick.jsp#2 Approximately 20% of state prisoners in Arizona are non citizens in total, not just illegal Mexican immigrants, and some of that 20 are legal resident non citizens.
Her claim of 80% of law enforcement officers killed by illegals is unsupported by the most recent data from the FBI if she is referring to Arizona or the Nation as a whole. She's pulling these numbers from somewhere other than legitimate sources.
mlondeaux
A nation of sheep breeds a government of wolves.
06:37 AM on 05/04/2010
And you're pulling your numbers from where?
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Uncle Bill
ex-lawyer and teacher
01:05 PM on 05/03/2010
G. A PERSON MAY BRING AN ACTION IN SUPERIOR COURT TO CHALLENGE ANY
12 OFFICIAL OR AGENCY OF THIS STATE OR A COUNTY, CITY, TOWN OR OTHER POLITICAL
13 SUBDIVISION OF THIS STATE THAT ADOPTS OR IMPLEMENTS A POLICY THAT LIMITS OR
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Uncle Bill
ex-lawyer and teacher
12:55 PM on 05/03/2010
If this law is intended to help law enforcement, why does it give anybody a right to sue any cop if they think they aren't arresting illegal aliens fast enough? Has there ever been a law allowing private citizens to sue cops for not arresting any other kind of criminal, say child molesters, or white collar criminals to the citizen's satisfaction?
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ugly american
Just say "No!" But to What?
11:34 PM on 05/16/2010
The apparent intent of provisions "F" and "G" in SB 1070 is to put a stop to "sanctuary cities". It is to be expected that cities such as Phoenix will simply try to refuse to enforce the laws and continue to harbor unregistered foriegn citizens. Don't forget that a majority of Arizonans polled indicated that they support the law. Obviously the city governments do not care about these opinions.
These parts of the law say "they better care."
As far as the other laws you speak of, there has never been a cop ordered by the city not to arrest people for those crimes except the last. Congress orders them not to do that.
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Uncle Bill
ex-lawyer and teacher
01:13 AM on 05/17/2010
So why not create a bill that allows citizens to sue police departments whenever they think they can prove that the police haven't enforced any other Arizona or federal law, say the one that criminalizes HIRING illegal aliens when the employer knows or should have known that the employee was not authorized to work in the US?
BTW, the executive branch of government at both the state and federal level is who sets the priorities and sets enforcement policy for law enforcement. So I call BS on your "Congress orders them not to do that" comment and challenge you to cite the Congressional bill or statute that orders federal or state law enforcement agents not to arrest white collar criminals.
08:33 AM on 05/03/2010
Si, se puede! Yes, we can put our illegals in prison for two years, the way Mexico does. Give them all to Joe Arpaio!

NO AMNESTY. NO CITIZENSHIP. We should reform our guest worker program, to make it easier for migrant workers to come here to work for a living wage. But giving our illegals a path to citizenship? ABSOLUTELY NOT!
nam medic
Service above Self ...Always
09:01 AM on 05/02/2010
I do not know what an Illegal looks like. I do know what the DEA's Most wanted looks like. There are hundreds of Photos on their website and they over 90% Hispanic. Close our borders today.

http://www.justice.gov/dea/fugitives/fuglist.htm
08:35 AM on 05/03/2010
Legalize marijuana, and starve out the drug trade. I'm not all that opposed to legalization of cocaine and heroin, if it will bring down incarceration costs and put an end to the cartels. Strangely enough, William F. Buckley had the most sensible take on this, ten years ago: We lost the war on drugs, and should have the sense to admit it.
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Uncle Bill
ex-lawyer and teacher
12:51 PM on 05/03/2010
I know what the FBI ten most wanted looks like- most are white. Ready to round up caucasians?
http://www.usa.gov/Citizen/Topics/MostWanted.shtml#Most_Wanted_by_Organization
mlondeaux
A nation of sheep breeds a government of wolves.
07:56 PM on 05/03/2010
If those caucasians committed a crime then I'm all for it. How about the millions of illegals that are in the country. Ready to round them up?
02:52 PM on 05/01/2010
We agree with this perspective, as far as it goes. But we add to this with some analysis [at http://theradix.net ] of precisely how the new law will actually result in a discriminatory impact on legal immigrants and even American minorities.
mlondeaux
A nation of sheep breeds a government of wolves.
08:34 AM on 05/01/2010
Like everyone else against the new law in Arizona, he is misrepresenting what the law says. Police officers can't just stop anyone walking down the street and ask them for ID. It has to be during a traffic stop, when someone is already potentially breaking the law, or when someone has committed a crime. I figure if you're here legally and you're not committing any crimes then you have nothing to worry about. Immigration reform is just another word for amnesty and if someone entered this country illegally, and I don't care how long you've been here, you committed a crime and should be deported back to your own country.
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Beckel411
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12:22 PM on 05/01/2010
I was born in Michigan and live in Ohio. If I get stopped for a broken taillight while driving in AZ and the police officer asks me for proof of citizenship, I DO have something to worry about because I don't have any of the forms of ID that are on the list of accepted proof of citizenship. As a fellow American, I'm no longer free to visit one of the states in MY country without risking detention in jail. But, as an American, no place else in this country requires me to carry proof of citizenship upon my person. I don't have anything that will satisfy the requirements in AZ. Ohio driver's license won't do it and my Michigan "certificate of live birth" isn't valid according to mose Arizonians. So what do you suggest those of us who live in the other 49 states do? And you wonder why so many of us think this law violates our rights? How can it be possible that I can no longer visit another state in my country???
08:39 AM on 05/03/2010
First, let me offer my condolences. Being born in Michigan is bad enough, but having to live in Ohio? God gave Michiganders Cleveland, so we'd have something to laugh at. :)

It would seem to me that the way to correct the problem in question is to correct the law, accepting drivers' licenses for those states that will confirm citizenship status. We should link the DoL and other databases anyway. At least, Arizona is doing something.
mlondeaux
A nation of sheep breeds a government of wolves.
08:12 PM on 05/03/2010
That explains your naivete, Beckel. You live in Ohio. Try living in Arizona, New Mexico, California, or Texas and you might change your opinion. People who don't live in border states and aren't right there in the front trenches have no idea what it's like. My sister visited Montana and didn't see one minority there. So, unless you're overrun with illegals you can't even imagine what it's like. For a different point of view try reading this article written by Arizona state senator Sylvia Allen. It might give you a different perspective.
http://tucsoncitizen.com/the-cholla-jumps/2010/05/01/state-senator-sylvia-allen-responds-to-sb1070/
03:11 PM on 05/01/2010
Your understanding of the law is actually incorrect. If you read our analysis, or indeed the law itself, you will see that all that is required is that a law enforcement official be "in contact" with a person, and have a reasonable suspicion that they are not lawfully in the United States. "Contact" could mean having a conversation in a donut store, or a myriad other situations. Moreover, the law creates pressures to ensure that police will adopt an aggressive interpretation of the law.
mlondeaux
A nation of sheep breeds a government of wolves.
12:09 AM on 05/02/2010
And if a police office has a "reasonable" suspicion that someone is here illegally (breaking the law) then I feel they have every right to check that persons status as a citizen. It's the same way that they can check out any person (black, white, Mexican, etc) who they feel is selling drugs, engaging in prostitution, committing a burglary, etc. I don't see what the difference is.
02:08 AM on 05/05/2010
Citizen minorities, specifically Black Americans, are being forced into a corner by the tide of illegals flooding into the USA, taking jobs, and filling schools, and using up education funds better spent correcting civil rights injustices than giving an illegal alien a job and education at the expense of an American Citizen.
Illegals aliens, specifically mexicans, should go back and raise hell in their own country. Their weak presidente Calderon is doomed to lose his war on drugs. But he needs the money sent down south from good old Estados Unidos. He probably won't make it anyway. He is outmanned, and outgunned from the git go.
mlondeaux
A nation of sheep breeds a government of wolves.
08:02 AM on 05/01/2010
I find it interesting that he admits the number of undocumented immigrants in this country has doubled between 1994 and 2005. What I find even more interesting is that he uses the term "undocumented." Why doesn't he just say illegal? He also says "Turning immigrants into scapegoats for every social and economic setback is not what America should be about." How ironic that's exactly what the Democrats are doing to George W. Bush, turning him into a scapegoat for everything that's wrong with this country. In a sense, Obama has a free ride because even when he eventually runs our country into the ground it will be blamed on Bush.
08:46 AM on 05/03/2010
Let's admit it: Hispanic activists are racists, advocating for La Raza. "Por La Raza todo, Fuera de La Raza nada," To deny this fact is irrational.

As for Bush being a "scapegoat," that GOP talking point borders on the risible. Bush maxed out our American Express card, entangled us in two strictly optional wars of empire, eviscerated the Department of Justice, dismantled our manufacturing base ... I could go on and on. Heckuva job, Bushie! Colorado got saddled with that [unprintable] self-absorbed horse association president Michael Brown, who belongs in prison for honest services mail fraud in connection with Katrina. No, there is nothing good that can be said about the Bush Error.
mlondeaux
A nation of sheep breeds a government of wolves.
08:23 PM on 05/03/2010
I'm sure in the future the same will be said about Obama who, by the way, has the lowest approval rate after his first year in office than any other president in history.
06:17 AM on 05/01/2010
Boycott the employers of illegals.

Tyson Foods.

McDonalds.

do a search online.
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masher
software engineer
03:16 AM on 05/01/2010
Here is the problem, when you say "immigration reform" you are lying because you know this isn't about immigration. This is about labor market manipulation. This is about crushing the US middle and working classes. And you want another Reagan style amnesties.

Just admit that you want to crush the US middle class and you will never secure the borders.
08:51 AM on 05/03/2010
And that's what it really comes down to. Progressives are naturally anti-illegal-immigration and were in the dawn of the last century, when the epithet "WOP" stood for Without Papers, and it invariably referred to the ancestors of one Tom Tancredo.

For the "Viva, Viva, Reconquista" crowd, I would suggest that you spend a little time south of the border, to see what America will look like if trends continue. Mexico is actually a fairly wealthy country, but wealth is concentrated in the hands of the few; it's GINI score approaches 70. This is the America you want?

NO AMNESTY. NO PATH TO CITIZENSHIP. LET'S PRESERVE THE MIDDLE CLASS.
mlondeaux
A nation of sheep breeds a government of wolves.
08:37 PM on 05/03/2010
Well, Boulder, we might not agree on Bush (I'm a Texan and my dad's in the military) but there's one thing we both agree on. Amnesty will only be confirming to the illegals that they had every right to be here in the first place. And, believe me, more will be following in their footsteps. And, I agree on another point you made in another post. Hispanics are racists and it amazes me how much that term is used only for white people.