We had the right ideas back in the 70's. RL is on to them again. Check out the Lovins video here: http://www.ted.com/index.php/talks/view/id/51 where he describes winning the oil end game.
December 29, 1940. Nazi Germany had conquered much of Europe and allied with Italy and Japan, and collaborating closely with the Soviet Union, was mortally threatening Britain, the last frontline holdout of democracy. On that day, in one of his venerable fireside chats, Franklin Roosevelt highlighted the phrase that America would become the "Arsenal of Democracy", wiping away any sense of complacency from a then isolationist America. It was a symbolic call to arms. He called on Americans to become the "spearhead of resistance to world conquest". He focused on the then "splendid cooperation between the government and industry and labor" and "how important the manufacture of weapons and vehicles is to being strong as a nation".
FDR then continued in words whose sense of urgency could be applicable to our current enslavement to fossil fuels and the accelerating threat of global warming: "Emphatically we must get these weapons to them, get them to them in sufficient volume and quickly enough, so that we and our children will be saved the agony and suffering of war which others have to had to endure."
That was then and this is now. Then in 1940, almost overnight, Detroit, the city that became metaphorically the "Arsenal of Democracy", in close cooperation with the Washington of that era, changed from being the world's most important builder of passenger cars and vehicles to building the tanks and motorized equipment and armaments that carried this nation and its "greatest generation" to ultimate victory.
As destiny called upon the "greatest generation", so too it beckons to us and to our progeny. 9/11 taught us that we are at war, and that the ongoing risks to our environment, our economy, our national security and to our self respect cry out for definitive action, and definitive action now! Our addiction to driving fossil fuel burning, carbon emission spewing cars have turned them into the wardens of our self imposed imprisonment. It is an imprisonment that we must escape before we become the vassals of the oil producers and our children choke on despoiled and poisoned air.
Our politicians tell us there is no silver bullet. The oil industry tells us that our consumption of oil will continue to grow exponentially, (check out CEO Tillerson of Exxon Mobil). This administration continues to slumber away, content on the riches being visited on their cronies in the oil industry both here and abroad.
Well, they are wrong! Renault Nissan, and California-based Project Better Place, are working together with the government of Israel to make the country oil independent by 2020. Denmark has already signed on to implement the sinews of this major electric car initiative.
In broad outline, Renault Nissan will build cars powered by lithium-ion batteries running purely on electricity and delivering performance on par with a 1.6 liter gas engine. These electric car models will become available as of 2011. A key component will be the preparation and development of a national infrastructure to access electric power. "Project Better Place" will arrange for the installation of 500,000 charging hook-ups throughout Israel. It is estimated electric power charging costs for the lifetime of this car will approximate the cost of fueling an equivalent gasoline powered vehicle for some two years at current gasoline prices.
Denmark plans to provide the power supply for electric cars with wind power. Israel is planning huge mirrors in the Negev Desert to capture the solar energy needed for its electric cars. With an extensive grid of plug-in locations there will be no need for lengthy charge periods so that charging up shouldn't take much more time than tanking up currently.
Will it work? Yes, the cars here described will be limited in size and range (about 120 miles). But since when has evolving greater size and broader scale been an American limitation? Conceptually, it sets the broad outline of what could be replicated here. Especially now that the price of energy is pushing us toward recession and stagflation, and that Detroit and the American auto industry's business is at the lowest ebb in years, with U.S.-based automakers share of their home market dropping to only 48.4% of cars sold. What a boon it would be to have a renaissance of our historic "Detroit Arsenal", with our government and the automobile industry working together once again on a program critical to the nation's future. Together, to begin replacing our gas guzzling toxic spewing cars with their electric-powered counterparts on a massive national scale, bringing us back to the spirit of FDR and the "greatest generation", and in the words Martin Luther King, making all of us once again "free at last".
Certainly, it is a program that will be fought tooth and nail by the oil industry and those beholden to them. This administration won't touch it.
Yet given the political season in which we find ourselves we can fairly ask: what can we expect from those now running for high office? How welcome their comments would be.
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We had the right ideas back in the 70's. RL is on to them again. Check out the Lovins video here: http://www.ted.com/index.php/talks/view/id/51 where he describes winning the oil end game.
What you see happening is the result of stupid and greedy leadership. The people running our government, I woudn't even hire to mow my lawn. Then behind them you have our real shadow government of international monied elites telling our politicians what countries to attack, so the can profit from both sides of the conflict.
It might be time to borrow France's guillotine for a while.
Standard Oil (the parent of Exxon and Chevron) and General Motors, through their creation, National City Lines, worked feverishly in the mid 20th century to buy and destroy rail-based mass transit systems in the U.S. They bought up about 50 metropolitan rail lines, including the largest one in the world, in Southern California. Today, those rail systems of transit are closed.
Those cities which refused to sell to Standard Oil, such as Chicago and New York, still have light rail transit systems. Standard Oil, through its shell company, NCL, successfully defended its actions in court, as being something they were entitled to do in a "free market" economy.
So, given these and other corporations' past actions, does anyone think that they will stand idly by and allow their profits to be slashed by good governmental decisions?
Detroit is an abandoned city.
Detroit"s situation is urgent.
People of Detroit specifically children are unfed, unsheltered and uneducated¦.
Seemingly leadership on all levels have abandoned Detroiter"s.
It"s shameful.
Mr. Learsy while an expert in his field does not understand the urgency of the situation.
Only 25% percent of Detroit students graduate from high school.
According to Detroit News columnist, Nolan Finley is his column today Shut Down Detroit's Dropout Factories; Seventy percent of Michigan prison inmates are high school dropouts, as are 40 percent of the state's welfare recipients.
On the Wayne State University resource http://www.detroitkidsdata.org/dkdhome.htm Children of Detroit, and especially African American children, evidence extraordinarily high levels of low birth weight, infant mortality, high lead levels, sexually transmitted diseases, violence and substance abuse.
Bill Couzens, Founder Lesscancer.org
Detroit will never be what it was. The reason is that there are now too many other major players and more coming on the scene in countries that can compete with us and win in the catagories of cost and efficiency. Detroit is history and you only have to go there to see the sad facts. Detroit automakers screwed up royal when they pushed the SUV market and rallying on the fears of soccer moms and kids safety. Yes, they actually sold that hogwash and most stupid Americans bought the farm. is suffering really agonizing fuel costs (heh heh). By the way Hydrogen is the wave of the future and the electric ass we know it is only a mid stop along the way. Detroit can't even do that right. I remember when the first delegation of Japanese came over to look at what Detroit was doing. I remember at the time that everyone was laughing at them and expecially the exec's in Detroit. Guess who is having the last laugh now. Unfortunately Detroit did not realize that greed leads to stupidity and stupidity leads to poverty. If you don't believe me just take a tour of Detroit.
I'll grant you that there is some potential in electric cars but realize that conventional lithium-ion batteries don't work below at all well the below the freezing point of water because their electrolyte is water. In Israel that my not be an issue but in most parts of the US it would be.
Most of us here are thinking too narrowly. The car itself, and our evolution of the suburban-commuter lifestyle, have turned out to be a big step in the wrong direction. We need to get to a society based on networks of smaller towns, where people can live and work locally (and depend on locally produced goods as well).
Solar power is the wave of the future. Germany has embarked on a far-sighted program that emphasises local /Private Enterprise production of solar electric power, that would de-centralize power production - and should make grid improvement easier!
I think that use of thin diamond film solar panels might increase efficiency enough that the cost/ kw-hr. would come down even more!
Mr. Learsy, coward that he is, is afraid of the words "Peak Oil." The reality of it. The reality--that is here.
Good to see the coward finally talking about solutions, instead his endless flights of fancy.
Shawn,
Shhhhhhhhh, you mustn't imply "Peak Oil" is real. This is a partisan site, and Dems do not permit rational thought on that topic.
And what has our cowardly deserter-in-chief had to mumble on the matter, Shawn?
Aim your derision at a deserving target, how about it?
In a few more years Plug-In electric cars will be available in the u.s. Buy one, put soar panels on your roof and wha-la! your dependence on fossil fuels is massively reduced. If the people will lead the leaders will follow.
electric cars are available now: tesla motors.
You are correct sir, I just don't have a spare 100 grand to drop on one right now. When they get one under 25,000 I'm all over it.
Yeah, It's a hand made sports car. some of the hybrids are supposed to allow extended electric range and external charging.
As much as I agree with your solution, why do you say that 9/11 taught us that we are in a war? Such thinking is playing into the hands of Bush and his oil cronies, and justifies needless continuous bloodshed and instability. War is not the only solution. Why not smooth out your message.
How does Renault's business model for their electric car compare with the U.S.'s big three's business models? GM had an electric car, but pulled it since its business model clashed severely with GM regular line. If GM's electric became successful, GM would not have seen the uber profits from the trucks, SUVs and Hummers of the last 10 years. GM will not change. They are doomed to become a niche producer and refuse to extricate themselves. Hydrogen-based cars are a dream and still fossil fuel-based, as the cheapest way to create hydrogen is from natural gas.
The GM electric car would only do well in warm weather because of the batteries, it would go 80 miles at 80 F and only 25 miles when the temp was 25 F. GM has the new batteries just developed in some test cars now for testing, this is the drive train for the Chevy Volt. They hope to get 40 miles on battery power alone, plug-in at night, it will have a small engine that will charge the batteries. The new Two-Stage hybrid in the Chevy Tahoe gets over 25 mpg, pretty good for a huge truck.
Hank
GM owns a majority share in Ovonics, the largest Ni/Metal Hydride battery manufacturer in the US. Yet they have not used them in their electric vehicles.
Ni/Metal Hydride batteries are currently used in most of the hybrid vehicles. Ni/Metal Hydride batteries provide nearly twice the capacity per pound of lead acid batteries.
GM owned about half of Ovonics at the time the EV1(The first version of the electric car). For some reason, the EV1 was sold with lead acid batteries and an almost unusable 80 mile range. Later the EV was sold with the Ni/Metal Hydride batteries as the EV2, and got nearly twice the range, but the damage was done.
As for the Volt, its pathetic 40 mile range(using lead acid batteries), is just a consumer rip off. GM is following the same market destroying game plan that they did with the EV1.
Look at the Aptera electric vehicle. This is what a real electric vehicle is!!
Eh?
I'm no fan of GM, and what they did with the EV1 was a crime. But let's not misrepresent the Chevy Volt. It will use lithium-ion batteries. Not lead-acid, and not NiMH.
http://www.greencarcongress.com/2008/04/gm-provides-sna.html
Build 400 nuclear reactors on shuttered US army bases and you can close all the coal and nat gas electrical generators in the US and exceed France's 80% of its energy from nuclear generation. Do that and mandate that all cars going forward are electrical and CO2 and air pollution and foreign oil problem is solved. As for the energy source, uranium if found in Canada, US and Australia and not the Mid East.
We have lots (60 to 80) of small very efficient reactors with 90+ percent pure fuel in our now defunct Los Angeles Class submarine force. These reactors have been and are currently being dismantled and stored in a location in Idaho. I think it is absolutly short sighted to have dismantled these VERY SAFE reactor plants only due to their design lifespan of the hulls for dive suface cycles of the sub .. They could have been and still can be de-weaponized and hooked up the the grid around the US coastlines and used for many more years to provide at least 50 -60 Mega watts each and used to cut down on the use of oil or coal for electricity. Stupid to spend all that money on the weapon system then only to de-commission them and scrap them. These subs and some ships have a lifespan of fuel that could last for 15+ years without refueling. Swords into Plowshares I say.
No. There is only 25 years worth of the world energy needs available for the once through nuclear reactors, then a million years of waste: a really bad deal.
For the same installation cost, you can have wind and solar forever.
Refuel them and they are good for another 15 years; and what installation cost? They are already self contained and moveable. My submarine could hook up shore power anywhere with a dock within minuits. Granted it may require some modification to be able to transform into a shore power provider but a lot less then installing a wind farm to block Ted Kennedy's view. As for waste; that is a red hearing. Do you know what the NRC considers waste? Things like tools, booties, gloves, pencils, etc used in the maintainence of the reactor in the compartment. These items are not contaminated and only due to the very slim possibility that they are are they considered hazardous. THAT is why they say that there is so much waste it is not the tons of core material that the MSM and anti nuke wackos want you to believe.
No. There is only about 25 years worth of uranium 235 needed to fuel the reactors using the "Once through process". The tons of high level waste that come out of that cycle are deadly for about a millions years.
http://www.euronuclear.org/info/encyclopedia/u/uranium-reserves.htm
Gong nuke, will put us right back on the the resource war path of oil.
Don't take those radioactive tools home if you don't want cancer.
Hey, Mr KNOW IT ALL research, I dont see you recomending anything creative...and you and your little link doesnt tell anyone anything about the supplies available. Just like the amount of oil available it is only because the Libs wont let us extract it and or refine it here; they want us to be at the mercy of OPEC and the enviro-Nazis.
Wind and Solar are not reliable sources of energy 24/7, they need back up.
Solar peaks on hot sunny days, the same time electricity demand for air conditioning peaks. WInd picks up at night.
Pumped Hydro is by far the cheapest storage, But Hydrogen is also a good energy storage system. The cheapest fossil fuel backup is natural gas, also the cleanest.
One idea is to use the electric vehicle batteries of parked cars for load leveling.
It's all easily solvable with the sort of money we are wasting stealing the Iraqi's oil.
quote " It's all easily solvable with the sort of money we are wasting stealing the Iraqi's oil. "
Wrong statement, we are not stealing Iraqi oil.
You are also wrong about wind, at least in the midwest, it is stronger during the day and goes down at night.
Solar varies with angle of the sunlight and amount of cloud cover. Depending on what part of the country you live in depends on how many hours of sun you might have, and how much storage you would need.
This is not nearly as easy as you seem to think it is.
Compared to endless war crimes in Iraq and Iran, it is both cheap and easy.
Thank you Raymond for an inspiring view of what is possible with true leadership. Let's hope that Obama or whoever is the next President can provide that leadership. I believe it is unlikely that it will come from within Detroit.
we could power the entire country on wind power by setting up enough turbines in the land that's not being used in the Dakotas.
one more comment - the birth and adoption of the automobile was widely heralded because it was thought to be a clean technology. At the time, urban areas were choking with Waste from Horses - urine and fecal matter. Cities stank to high heavens. The auto has served us well in many ways - maybe a positioning of this type of program as the logical next step in it's evolution (vs. "revolution") is the right way to frame this.
I also think petrochemicals are FAR to valuable for other uses to be burning them as fuel.
I will be sooooooo happy to see the demise of the current monsters that Detroit has been pushing on us, now with their added hideous "custom" engine noise, which has somehow abrogated the normal function of exhaust systems to make an obscene noise apparently for advertising or "marketing" the vehicles. These giant ugly divisive beast vehicles are a huge blow to quality of life in America and foster aggravation, anger and aggression in people The faster the big 3 go belly up the better it will be for America. Hopefully they will be gone with the Bush madness.
Unfortunately, those "giant ugly divisive beast vehicles" satisfy a perverse NEED in the psyche of MANY "Americans," i.e., that of the perception of DOMINANCE. In short most of the owners just don't want to seem outdone..... Trucks and SUVs are not merely transportation but PROJECTIONS of a desired self-image....
Smaller, quieter cars have always been around.....but not PREFERRED...... Change the psyche; the non-polluting, more efficient behaviour will follow.....
That is why the only Hybrid that sells well is the Prius, people drive them to project an image. All the rest of the Hybrids look just like a regular car or truck, who would know you're driving a Hybrid? That is why they don't sell.
Also change zoning laws to encourage mixed use instead of segregated use, so you don't need to drive to go to the stores or work.
Posted April 4, 2008 | 07:55 AM (EST)