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Did Pimco Play a Role In S&P's Downgrade of U.S.Debt

Posted: 08/07/11 09:28 AM ET

On Friday S&P downgraded U.S debt from AAA to AA+, the first such downgrade in the nation's history resulting in grave concerns over the outlook for the U.S. economy. Yet simultaneously they must have been popping champagne corks in Newport Beach, California, home base of Pacific Investment Management Co. (PIMCO) one of the worlds largest investment funds with a focus on bonds with some $1.2 trillion under management and an affiliate of the Insurance giant Allianz SE of Munich.

Back in April of this year Pimco let it be known that they were betting billions against U.S. Treasuries. Since that time there has been a relentless media blitz by Bill Gross who runs the fund and most particularly his CEO Mohamed El-Erian and co-Chief Investment Officer appearing in front of any microphone and television camera that would have them to bemoan the state of the American economy and predicting, whenever the questioning led in that direction, that a rating agency downgrade of U.S. Treasuries was in many ways inevitable. To quote El-Erian, "High, persistent unemployment, sluggish growth, balance sheet issues and the failure of politicians to deal with deep structural problems... " as he would put it.

When the rating agencies were slow to react, their credibility was put into question as well. El-Erian called for "some kind of process to evaluate the performance of the agencies" much in the tradition of "I'm Shocked, I'm Shocked." Rarely did El-Erian's interlocutors pin him down as to whether such a downgrade would help or hurt his book, leaving most listeners with the impression that they had received the accumulated wisdom from high on the hill unaware that the sermon being delivered was from atop a mount built upon billion dollar bets against U.S. Treasuries/U.S. Debt instruments.

Given the steadfastness of the other two rating agencies -- Fitch and Moody's -- one wonders, given its enormous size and connections, whether Pimco had some influence on S&P's downgrade. To quote Paul Krugman:

...it's hard to think of anyone less qualified to pass judgment on America than the rating agencies. The people who rated subprime-backed securities are now declaring that they are the judges of fiscal policy? Really?


Just to make it perfect, it turns out that S& P got the math wrong by $2 trillion, and after much discussion conceded the point -- then went ahead with the downgrade...

In short S&P is making stuff up-and after the mortgage debacle, they really don't have the right.

So this is an outrage- not because America is A-OK, but because these people are in no position to pass judgment.



But pass judgment they did and one need ask why and at whose behest. Did Pimco's ubiquitous and powerful influence have sway?

Far fetched you say? Then let me take you back to September 2008. There was this billion dollar moment when the very same Pimco turned a massive about face on its much vaunted investment strategy of quality only, making huge investments in what was then widely recognized as quintessential junk, namely Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac subordinated debt. Carrying a higher coupon, it was at significantly higher risk than regular bond holders, representing but 1% of the company's debt, thereby being hardly critical to the functioning of Fannie and Freddie given the disastrous straits in which they already found themselves.

With the seriously deteriorating situation in the financial markets in September 2008 investors fully expected a subordinated debt wipe-out at Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, or at the very least a massive restructuring calling for a significant haircut. Yet Pimco piled in, loading up on the subordinated debt for pennies on the dollar. Certainly the beaten down status of Fannie and Freddie sub-debt was well outside the parameters of Pimco's broadcast policy of dealing only with high quality products. Why this sudden shift? Perhaps the following played a crucial role.

-Then, much as Gross and Mohamed El-Arian have today, Gross had almost unlimited access to CNBC and other broadcasters, permitting them to endlessly lecture listeners and those with authority about the systemic dangers of a Freddie and Fannie collapse, or currently to goad the rating agencies to bring about a ratings downgrade. In 2008, the coziness with the broadcasters was such that Pimco never had to answer a query of whether they would, and how they would benefit from a Fannie and Freddie bailout.

- Gross and Pimco are incredibly well connected, into the highest reaches of government. This extends to offering revolving door employment to high government staffers such as Neel Kashkari, the former head of the nation's TARP Program. In 2008 Gross availed himself of his close relationship with Treasury Secretary Hank Paulson to confer regularly. At the time, according to Gross, he was not out of line pushing for a bailout from which Pimco would benefit outrageously because, as he would say, "Pimco had no official role in formulating the plan..we want safe agency guaranteed mortgages. We don't want to take a lot of risk in subprime space". Huh? Fannie and Freddie subordinated debt safe and guaranteed in September 2008 when Pimco piled in? Maybe he was watching the wrong movie.

And then, abracadabra, the Treasury without thought of renegotiation or shared risk, paid out Fannie and Freddie sub-debt at 100 cents on the dollar. It thereby set the standard for covering Wall Street speculation and all that was to come thereafter. Others could bet and lose, but Wall Street would be given a pass.

At the time, the Wall Street Journal with rightful outrage penned an editorial, "Bailout for Billionaires", suggesting that the sub-debt bailout enriched "some of the world's richest people and largest financial institutions". Both Pimco and Goldman Sachs were mentioned, as was a reference made to Treasury Secretary Hank Paulson's prior Goldman ties, "where Mr. Paulson used to work."

For Pimco it was the biggest one day pay-day in their history, an outrageous and unconscionable $1.7 billion dollars lifted from the pocketbooks of Americans throughout the land and into coffers of the Pacific Investment Management Co.

Given Pimco's current booked positions on U.S Treasuries/U.S. Debt Instruments, given the intensity of El-Erian's and Gross' sightings as talking heads on myriad television programs and op-eds, one need wonder if some version of the Fannie/Freddie rip off is taking place now. After all, the last act was shamefully successful and they got away with it without having to look back once.

Should this hypothesis prove to be correct, that it was Pimco pressure on S&P that brought about a downgrade, we are beyond the cusp of a serious dysfunction in our society and financial system. It bespeaks of a system that can be rigged for private gain at the expense of the well being of the nation at large. All of us will have to live with the consequences of the downgrade in terms of higher interest rates, lost jobs and a seriously slowing economy while those who stacked the deck become ever richer. That is not what American capitalism was ever about. It is a total perversion of what we once respected as a level playing field and a magnificent meritocracy. And if so, we must stop the financial engineers who add nothing to our society in terms of goods and services other than financial hocus pocus rendering unto themselves egregious private gain through their financial tricks while the rest of society endures massive financial loss and places the entire economy at risk.


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09:42 AM on 08/08/2011
Every Investment Manager 'talks their book'. The folks at PIMCO are no different.

Hedge Fund Manager John Paulson shorted the housing market and made huge profits for his clients and himself. His follow-thru was going long gold and he made huge profits for his clients and himself. He went both long and short and made huge profits.

Mr. Gross and his colleagues at PIMCO have made similar investments both going long at times and short at times. As you point out, he has been correct more often than wrong. Please, stop this nonsense of folks having inside information when the information was readily available.

And one more thing - Morgan Stanley started the year believing that interest rates would rise. They were wrong and cost their clients money. Some investment houses see information and get things right; some investment houses get things wrong. Do not fault the people who make the correct investment decisions.
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PosterNutbaG
Micro-bios are for losers... Oh wait...
11:20 AM on 08/08/2011
It's one thing to make a smart informed decision but it's quite another to manipulate markets and rating agencies in order to make your decisions profitable.
03:59 AM on 08/08/2011
I figure S/P wants to help the Repugs deflect any blame and try to pin it on Obama.
Obviously the oligarchs and big corporations want Repugs in power and in the White House.

Also....WHO makes money if America's credit worthiness is downgraded?
WHO is betting against America?
Follow the money......
jhNY
Mercy.
06:18 PM on 08/07/2011
This ought to be investigated, and if there's anything substantive to these charges, somebody ought to be in a lot of trouble. But nobody will, so somebody won't.
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sanmigmike
01:59 PM on 09/22/2011
Regrettably we do have revolving doors between business and government. At one time I think the idea was to hire a wolf to guard the hen house so that you would indeed have someone that knew the tricks of the Con Artist Class and could work against them. Now it is more like they are taking turns...."You look away while I steal the next billion and next week I'll look away for your billion!" My big problem is that we seem to have no problem understanding someone stealing a case of beer, a carton of cigarettes or a car but we just can't seem to understand that someone might be tempted to steal or gain by fraudulent means billions of dollars. Billions, even such a small amount as millions, no one would steal for...but steal a can of beer...yah sure! (Life in prison for it too when they get caught!) The only real difference I see between a Wall Street or other big business CEO and a guy doing a beer run is that the CEO steals more and has figured out how to pay off the cops.
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politicky
just follow the $$$
02:34 PM on 08/07/2011
Boy do I feel like an idiot. I bought into the peak oil theories. My bad :(
02:28 PM on 08/07/2011
Aside from Raymond Learsy's rant and the dispicable corruption in ratings agencies recent past, the S&P statement on the downgrade provides this ever so poignant gem:

“In contrast with the US, we project that the net public debt burdens of these other sovereigns (Canada, UK, France & Germany) will begin to decline, either before or by 2015.”

Those who are fully aware of the Federal Govt’s debt/deficit trajectory know the 10yr & 30yr treasuries are junk. There is not a chance in hell of the USA being able to redeem these. They will be worthless unless Congress changes course by at least six to eight trillion dollars by 2021.

The USA has currently has two AAA downgrades. The Moodys & Fitch are inevitably on the way. Then "B: is on the way. And "C" is inevitable upon Debt/GDP & Deficit/GDP attaining 123% & 5.9% in 2021.

The root of this is America's bastardization of Keynesian economics by Congress' refusal to pay down Debt at the top of business cycles. It only luvs the part about using deficits to escape from contractions...

TRENDLines Debt Meter chart: http://trendlines.ca/free/economics/DebtMeterUSA/DebtMeterUSA.htm
04:05 AM on 08/08/2011
So.....what do you think about raising taxes to help lower the deficit?

Or do you think cutting "entitlements" and public education (etc.) only should do it?

Americans might not mind as much if it is SHARED sacrifice.....but when you take tax increases on the upper classes off the table, a lot of us don't believe the politicians are serious about dealing with the debt.
Ditto when they won't touch corporate welfare.

*****WHY does Big Oil with HUGE profits get corporate welfare anyway?

(Yea, I know they give a lot of money to the politicians' campaigns and expect to be paid back with corporate welfare.)

We have a spending AND a revenue problem.
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spoonbill1963
01:30 PM on 08/07/2011
Expensive oil isn't always a bad thing.
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spoonbill1963
01:27 PM on 08/07/2011
Bill Gross is just plain genius. I love this guy and he is always right. When he bet against treasuries, I did too. Thanks, Bill. You're my man...you're my main man.
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12:17 PM on 08/07/2011
"while those who stacked the deck become ever richer. That is not what American capitalism was ever about. It is a total perversion of what we once respected as a level playing field and a magnificent meritocracy."

What cave have you been living in? Quit pretending there has EVER been transparency or integrity on Wall Street. The way you make money there is through connections. You start a rumor, and you are the one who benefits when the price moves because...well...you are the one that made it move. It is not surprising that the most adept at that process have decided to play for a bigger payoff. If you reward their behavior, they will repeat it. This is not complicated. Buying into the "good ol' days" fantasy that never EVER existed is not productive.
11:54 AM on 08/07/2011
Thank you for raising this. The ratings agencies should have been put out of business by the subprime debacle. If what you suspect is true, then big finance now runs our world and government is but a bystander. How scary is that?
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wmnorton
Moderate where moderate used to be
11:01 AM on 08/07/2011
Once again a rateing agency rates something that profits one of the groups that pay their bills.What we need for rating is way to pay for rateings that is not at the mercy of the the people who are likely to profit one way or the other. Maybe make the rateing agencies a public/private identity like Fannie Mae where the underlying solvencey of the group is guaranteed by a tax that is imposed on all the wall street transactions.
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spoonbill1963
01:28 PM on 08/07/2011
The US earned the downgrade fair and square. Don't blame the rating agencies. Blame Obama and his welfare spending.
04:42 PM on 08/07/2011
Using one's own version of the facts may give one temporary solice but it does nothing to help our discourse or our country.
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05:09 PM on 08/07/2011
Broaden your horizons and learn, my friend. I hear the right wing echo chamber through your words.
10:09 AM on 08/07/2011
How come there was a big sell off on Thursday? I'll tell you what I think. This was privy information given to the institutional investors two days before the downgrade was announced. I lost a lot of money because I (an average investor) was left in the dark. That is what needs to be investigated. This whole thing smells like a Monday fish sale.
04:46 PM on 08/07/2011
The trick is to watch CNBC and then run screaming from anything they say. These PIMCO guys are always on and are treated as if their words are coming from on oracle. If this information is true, they should go to jail and lose every penny they gained. CNBC needs to be put on some kind of probation for their continued lack of integrity and continued selling out of the people they claim to serve.
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OneManRoaring
Tech specialist, former educator & active citizen!
09:58 AM on 08/07/2011
I agree that 1) the display of malfeasance prior to the subprime market meltdown would eliminate the rating agencies from having any credibility at this time (ask Lehman investors/workers and 2) a two trillion dollar mistake?! What kind of math are they using?

Isn’t PIMCO’s actions described above just as bad, perhaps worse than, insider trading? If the allegations are proven to be true, is this a treasonous act? Would the lame government we now have in place take any action or would they fall back to the no-harm, no-foul position that has allowed the Bush cronies to get away with violations of US law, if not the Constitution itself? These are thought provoking concerns for all who care to think about the welfare of the country and its people!

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wmnorton
Moderate where moderate used to be
11:08 AM on 08/07/2011
I've read other of you post and generally agree with you. I would become a fan except the picture you use to describe yourself is not of a male lion roaring it is a female lion not roaring, almost asleep even. The choice of that picture leaves me wondering if you are conflicted about your positions.
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OneManRoaring
Tech specialist, former educator & active citizen!
01:16 PM on 08/07/2011
Sorry to disappoint you and I guess you are correct about the picture. I wanted to use one of my own pictures and that was one that I had. I will search for another roaring animal I might have or perhaps I will search the archives of "free-to-use" photos. I guess when a man is roaring, it has to be a man's roar!
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IndyVoter777
09:32 AM on 08/07/2011
Pimco is certainly allowed to call it as they see it. They are also allowed to watch our elected officials at work and make a call on whether or not the have what it takes to fix the problem.

Pimco is certainly also allowed to make an investment based on what they see. They see ineptitude and unwillingness to swallow the bitter pill so they decide to make a legit call on which way to invest.

They simply watch and react to our terrible politicians from both sides.

The author should be ashamed of himself for impuning these people without one shred of evidence to the contrary. They hire people that used to be in the goverment? OMG! It's never been done before!

I know this is a blog so therefore the author is not required to actually do real homework. However, I was taught that when you accuse someone you should bring real evidence to the table.

This author just preaches to his choir without any real evidence whatsoever.

Shameful.
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Ars longa, vita brevis
11:49 AM on 08/07/2011
You have a good point though Mr. Learsy is not alone in his suspicions. Like Paul Krugman, Dean Baker in a recent HP article also questioned S&P's downgrade. Unlike Mr. Learsy, Mr. Baker didn't name names; he ended his article about S&P, "We can only speculate about the true motive."

How to Think About Standard and Poor's Downgrade
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/dean-baker/how-to-think-about-standa_b_920148.html
avg american
It's about jobs, jobs, jobs...
02:17 PM on 08/07/2011
The downgrade is just another method of the rich to steal from the middle-class and the poor.
09:31 AM on 08/07/2011
I would add that Pimco did announce an small increase in Treasuries when QE2 ended. It was very unexpected because QE2 was used by the Fed to inflate bonds' prices (and lower mortgage rates), therefore, anybody with half brain wouldn't purchase inflated bonds, but Pimco did it. I bet it was a card for Pimco in order to avoid a public outcry and show us the card after S&P's downgrade.
09:31 AM on 08/07/2011
Re: "It bespeaks of a system that can be rigged for private gain at the expense of the well being of the nation at large. "

This is like suddenly a revelation to you? Where have you been?