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Raymond J. Learsy

Raymond J. Learsy

Posted: March 30, 2010 07:17 AM

Methane Oozing in Alaska, Cows Jumping Over Mars, Dinosaurs in Arabia -- Peak Oil Pranksters Don't Read This!

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The oil industry and its complicit profession of English speaking geologists, many on oil industry staff, have been working for several generations to make us believe unquestioningly that oil and gas are of biological origin. It is a cornerstone of the Peak Oil Dogma that has indoctrinated us into the belief that oil is consummately and imminently finite permitting the oil industry and its allies to drive all over us, setting prices beyond the wildest dreams of Croesus. You see if oil supply is running out quickly -- as we are taught (as it has according to oil industry and geological gospel ever since that first well in Pennsylvania in the 1850s) -- a lesson that the oil industry wants us to learn each and every day is that we will have to pay, pay, pay.

Well just suppose we have been purposely misled. That the Peak Oil Pranksters and their geologist sidekicks have been the purveyors of one of the great con jobs in history. That oil and gas is not the biological phenomenon that has been drummed into us. Rather that oil and gas are a geological phenomenon, inherent to the geological construct of the earth and all that means to its expanse and availability.

Just recently the Wall Street Journal published an eye opening article informing us that a large sector of the Arctic seabed, sitting on a methane reservoir, has become unstable and is releasing methane into the atmosphere ('Arctic Site is Oozing Methane", 03.03.10). The article goes on, "Of the roughly 500 million tons of methane emitted annually world-wide an estimated 40% has a natural origin, such as wetlands and the digestive processes of termites." I kid you not, "the digestive process of termites"..."while the rest results from human activities including cattle farming..." Then quoting a researcher at the University of Alaska, "This particular source has never been taken into account in tallying methane emissions."

Well bravo! That gives us an important clue toward solving another newly evolving mystery. You see last year a team of NASA and University scientists achieved the first definitive detection of methane in the atmosphere of Mars. This discovery indicates, according to NASA, that the planet is either biologically or geologically active. Giving credence that the existence of methane might indeed be of geological origin rekindles the question whether the theory attributing the origins of oil and gas to biological (fossil) origins on earth is in large measure a myth.

Our friends in the oil patch and their geologist allies would in all likelihood have a very focused explanation, aligning themselves with biological phenomenon. Perhaps it would flow along the following lines -- that we have gotten it wrong for generations, that;

Hey diddle diddle,
The Cat and the Fiddle,
The Cow jump'd over the Moon,
...

was in fact altogether incorrect. It was not "over the Moon" but rather "The Cow jump'd over Mars." That it was in fact many cows, all leaving a trail of methane-rich flatulence while jumping over Mars, ergo 'hocus pocus' methane's presence in Mars' atmosphere. Far fetched? Not if you try to envisage the huge size of the dinosaur farms in Saudi Arabia and Texas needed to turn up as the hundreds of billions of barrels of oil all these eons later.

The methane oozing in Alaska and its presence in the atmosphere of Mars seems a dead giveaway that the theory of biological origins of oil and gas is deeply flawed.
Please understand that methane with its four atoms of hydrogen bound to a carbon atom, is the main component of natural gas on Earth. Given methane's existence in such non biological environs as Mars and conceivably the Arctic seabed brings into question once again the facile dismissal of Abiotic Oil theory by our oil industry and its OPEC allies.
As cited in the post here, "Why Does Abiotic Oil Theory Ignite Peak Oil Theorist Fulminations??", 08.14.08," which questions why so little has been published on this issue in English language scientific/geological journals. This in spite of the rigorous work done by the Russian/Ukrainian geological community which is highly supportive of the theory of the geological origins of oil and gas.

It is time to revisit this issue, especially at this moment when we find an oil market awash with oil but with oil prices at levels leaving all semblance of market reality. Natural gas prices are touching six month lows while oil prices are now a whisker from six month highs. Given the traditional relationship between these two fuels, wherein one would closely track the other, there is something clearly and profoundly amiss. It is long past due that our media and our government agencies begin to deal with the plethora of misinformation emanating from the oil industry and its allies that have reduced the consuming public to being passive and paralyzed bystanders in one of history's great swindles (please see: "The Billion Dollar Day Extortion; A Somnolent Administration and Dysfunctional Congress' Gift to the American People," 02.22.10).

 
 
 
 
 
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masanford
11:03 PM on 05/25/2010
Wondering what I just read - seems a bit on the conspiracy side to me.

In other reading I find "A small number of geologists adhere to the abiogenic petroleum origin hypothesis and maintain that hydrocarbons of purely inorganic origin exist within Earth's interior."
Well - this will be interesting ..
However .. the article didn't really tell me that ..
The idea that petroleum is infinitely renewable (Don't need dinosaurs) does not ring true to me.
06:00 PM on 04/03/2010
This point of this article is devisive, conspiratorial, and ultimately moot. to make the "conspiracy" seem real, the author must include those who warn us of the scam, into the ranks of the conspirators.

Yes, it's true that the accepted wisdom has been that oil is produced from the compressed remains of whole ecosystems. It's also true that there is controversy on that point. But at the rate at which we use that resource, and the evident rate of its (supposed) "replenishment" by geological processes, the difference between the two concepts comes down to pure symantics.

Oil wells go dry and are capped off. When/if they are reopened, any quantity of oil in them is readily explained by gravity-driven concentration of quantities that were too small to profitably recover the first time -- hot water is put down wells to drive up the last oil; and over time the oil rises to the top of that water. Not to mention that increasing scarcity leads previously unprofitable wells to briefly become profitable again for short periods; until once again they go dry, or again become unprofitable. Rinse and repeat.

There is no market difference between a truly limited resource, and one that's replenished at rates far below replacement. It has NO effect on pricing, which relates to market availability NOW. The author hangs his hat on a concept with no teeth in it. Even if the mineral-genesis folks were right, we would still have to "pay, pay, pay."
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billw8017
History looks like this
08:11 PM on 04/03/2010
This is a telling point. Peak oil has already come about. The original theory assumed oil with a certain ease of access. This point has passed, and we are now working on inferior sources -- always known but not economic at the time -- such as lighter fields, tar sands and shale oil. In the future we may resort to salad (but not necessarily food grade) oils. This is all about rising prices.
11:59 PM on 04/01/2010
Russian research has shown that the Earth doesn’t need dinosaurs to produce oil
http://network.nationalpost.com/np/blogs/fpcomment/archive/2009/09/12/lawrence-solomon-endless-oil.aspx
or;
Squeezing the last bit of oil from Mother Earth
http://www.thestar.com/business/article/698246

interesting reading that supports this article and its premise...
05:16 PM on 03/31/2010
This is the dumbest thing you've ever printed, Huffington Post. The homeopathy and other pseudoscience was bad enough, but this is just bizarre. What's next? A special blog by David Icke (who will of course be billed with some benign tag like "Internationally Renowned Author, Blogger") about how Obama is a lizard person from space? Crystal healing? Past life regression? Actually, you've already gotten pretty close to the last one.

If the Huffington Post ever expects to be taken seriously as a media source, it has to start living up to SOME standard of journalistic integrity. You're an embarrassment to yourselves and the entire progressive community, and you deepen the association of the left with pseudoscience. You're as bad as Republican young earth creationists.
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billw8017
History looks like this
07:58 PM on 04/03/2010
In the 1920, the New York Times published an editorial critical of the Goddart experiments with rockets, saying rockets could never be used for propulsion in space because space was a vacuum and there was nothing for them to push against. If the Huffington Post publishes radical and even bad science, it is in the best of company.

One way, one truth is all well and good if there is nothing more to know, but it denies all progress.
12:59 PM on 03/31/2010
This blog writer needs a bit of education. The subject has been debated for decades (re: an earlier comment about the late Thomas Gold). Dr. Gold caused the Swedish government to spend several million dollars to test the theory of mantle origin of methane with a 20,000 foot drill hole at a site which had shows of methane at the surface. No methane or oil at depth! Only problem was that the site is close to one of the richest source rocks known! Even the Soviets gave up the mantle source for commercial oil or gas deposits over 30 years ago!
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billw8017
History looks like this
07:43 PM on 04/03/2010
When Gold published the results of the Siljan drill, he reported pockets of oil in the depths and that he had pulled out 15 tons of oil. He considered it a conclusive proof of his theory. Gold died in 2004 and his work in this field was about 20 years before. The 'facts' seem to have traveled ever further from his reports since then. Gold had a few original theories and most have become accepted.

His ultimate source of oils, they're part of the original components, does seem unlikely. Any such should be squeezed out immediately. This is what my speculations are meant to replace. Exactly why nuclear processes within the sun must have cooling effects must be interesting but it does seem to be the case and the sun is more cool than calculations of the compression would require. Some say this is due to a cycling effect. I have read a theory that fission has a blast effect to slows compression and, therefore cools the sun: Now, that should be improbable!
08:55 AM on 03/31/2010
Actually, even if oil and gas generation were geological process rather than a biological one, that would not eliminate the fact that these deposits, however they were created contain a set amount of oil and gas in them. The fact that world consumption is depleting those known sources appears to be the case. It is also the case that for the oil deposits, the US does not appear to have many of the geological sites that provide this resource. That means that we are still dependant upon foreign oil regardless of origin. Petroleum products still have all of the ancillary problems they always have, regardless. That is why we require a new innovative process for generating part or all of our energy requirements. Otherwise this conjecture is just a new version of how many angles can dance on the head of a pin (if an angle can actually dance, a topic for this authors next effort).
uhavenoface
eat my shorts
02:28 PM on 03/31/2010
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this is what it looks like when angles dance
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billw8017
History looks like this
06:02 AM on 03/31/2010
I understand the temperature of the earth's interior is from gravitational compression, and the nucleus of atoms are unstable there. Nuclear processes of fusion or fission work both ways, and turning (alluding to the maturity of the processes) iron to hydrogen absorbs energy -- which, as it is said, there is plenty in the core. This would explain oil -- and oxygen and nitrogen and hydrogen -- rising from deep in the earth through billions of years without being depleted. Hydrogen would be converted to iron by the Bose Einstein Condensate in the chill of deep space.

My friends with a scientific education find this theory even personally offensive. I don't really care. It is ironic that this is the opposite of the consensus theory. Being ironic, it is more likely true.
12:16 PM on 03/31/2010
Your friends find your theory offensive because you have no idea what you're talking about. Hydrogen is not converted to iron in deep space. It is converted to iron through nuclear fusion in the core of stars. The temperatures and pressures inside the Earth are not nearly sufficient to sustain either fission or fusion. I have never heard of any process by which iron is fissioned into oxygen, nitrogen, and hydrogen. Go read some basic geology and physics textbooks.
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billw8017
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01:58 PM on 03/31/2010
This was the resistance I referred to. Notice the vehemence.

You have heard of processes where hydrogen fuses. This process is theoretically two way. It is exactly my point that the processes that convert hydrogen to heavier elements is one that releases energy, but the temperature of the sun is less than predicted just from compression alone. So, one physicist argues that nuclear fusion blasts the components of the sun apart, slowing the compression and reducing the temperature absolutely. This, though more tolerable to consensus theory, is not all that reasonable.

My theory explains why the sun's atmosphere is hydrogen. The role of the Bose Einstein Condensate explains why the background temperature of the universe is at the point where the B/E Condensate breaks. Gamov's calculation of a background glow from the Big Bang was originally about 10x higher, and was quickly accepted as a "ballpark" number.

I have given this matter some thought. It is entirely likely that I am wrong, but if I am right to any degree, this is a transformational theory like Copernicus or continental drift. It undermines the theory of the Big Bang, implies the universe is older than said, rejects the theory of the first and second generation stars, and is radical in other ways.

Whatever, you think of me, you cannot burn me at the stake. Ha, ha, ha!
12:47 AM on 04/01/2010
why is it ironic that this is the opposite of the consensus theory
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billw8017
History looks like this
04:46 AM on 04/01/2010
Thanks for your interest. I was hoping to say more on the subject.

What I've been calling the consensus theory has some problems: One is the neutrino emission from the sun: There are too few and they're the wrong kind. This has led to a theory that something changes the neutrinos on their flight from the sun. Furthermore, a recommendation was made that I might check out elementary texts: This is a good idea because the texts do not agree with one another and the high science of 50 years ago is rejected in some details today. As one Nobel winner observed, we are living in an age of discovery. New things are being established, new lands being mapped, so to speak, so the grounds will be established from here on out. yet, some brings to mind Ptolemaic circles drawn within circles to make false notions work.

The irony is that nobody believes this, yet it may be the truth. Our friends -- who quite correctly condemn "junk" science -- may one day and probably fairly soon will just accept all this as obvious. Real truth does often seem simple while the junk wears a thousand colored ribbons.
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billw8017
History looks like this
04:46 AM on 04/01/2010
Consensus cosmology borrows from established truth. We have vestiges of Aristotle's theory of gravity: that materials go to their level and fire goes to the sky. His generation believed comets shine by their own light. So Decarte writing in the seventeenth century wrote of the burning earth gradually becoming cooler as the sun, much bigger, hotter longer, begins to cool about the spots we see on it. Cold body coalescence, what we might call the dust bunny theory of planetary origins is more acceptable today.
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AlwaysRightLeftist
too long; didn't read
03:04 AM on 03/31/2010
Of COURSE it's not from dinosaurs. The earth is only 6000 years old after all.
01:46 AM on 03/31/2010
It really doesn't matter to Peak Oil theory whether oil is biological or geological in origin. What matters is the time frame involved, which is geological in EITHER case. Although there is some evidence of minor migration or flow of oil within a formation or nearby formations, oil reserves do not on average regenerate on a human timescale.

New reserves can be discovered, and we now know there are enormous amounts of hydrated methane on the ocean floor, especially the Arctic. But we don't have the technology to capture this methane, and methane is a gas, not oil. It isn't quite as convenient as oil. What Peak Oil says is that we are on the downward slope of discovering new RECOVERABLE (conventional) oil reserves AND HAVE BEEN FOR 20-30 YEARS. We are therefore near the peak of production. Whether the lower production of conventional oil can be offset by higher production from tar sands, deep sea drilling or substitution of methane captured from the sea bed is a different question. But in any case, it appears that such substitutions will be expensive, or the market would have driven us to them long ago.
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05:57 AM on 03/31/2010
I think that is exactly correct, hydrocarbons may be forming continuously but may not be recoverable or keeping up with our rate of extraction. That was well said but with one important omission -- -- The real problem as to fossil-fuels (Oh, should I have just said hydrocarbons) is not their scarcity.

Rather, the problem(s) are geopolitical and environmental!
01:15 AM on 03/31/2010
My vote has coal derived from plant remains, petoleum from animicules. The lapidary process of polishing pebbles by rotating them in a grit slurry has produced explosions blamed on methane release / generation, but it is doubtful that something similar happens as the world turns. A good humorous article, hard to hold on to one's thinking cap while laughing aloud. There is a rock on my shelf composed of about 20,000 limey little shell remains. I imagine one of them in the middle of his little high rise shouting, "Look at me, I'm the one!" An important contributor to my gas tank. It is likely that my husk, as well as yours gentle reader, will also recycle, to benefit the top organism in some future food chain. The mountains will rise again!
11:31 PM on 03/30/2010
Look to both geological (deep oil - pore process) AND biological origins of Earth oil. Fred Hoyle, in 'Frontiers of Astronomy' (1955) ascribed the pore theory of deep oil to Thomas Gold, and described both processes - ref. pages 45-46.. 'Peak oil' is a myth - there's oodles of it! 'Cept accessibility may be problematical.
uhavenoface
eat my shorts
07:43 PM on 03/31/2010
fred hoyle also believed in a static state universe even after every shred of evidence said he was wrong
09:39 PM on 03/30/2010
Where does this guy get his information?
Billions of barrels of oil coming from Dinosaur farms? While I realize he was being (somwhat) facetious, it still shows that he thinks all this oil is coming from Dinosaurs.. not the vast numbers of trees that have dominated the planet for the past 400 million years.
And while I don't disagree that OPEC and friends are lying to the public in order to control prices, how can he possibly use the presence of methane on mars as proof that methane is of geological origin? Life is not nearly as impossible a notion as many seem to think it is. This writer should be a little more cautious with his accusations, or he is very liable to be put into the same category as the liars he is fighting against.
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Cosatjockomo
12:38 PM on 03/31/2010
There are oceans of hydrocarbon fuels on a Saturn moon which has never been warm enough to produce a significant amount of even the simplest life forms. There is no way life could account for the vast quantity present. Any "scientist" that still holds to the idea that hydrocarbons come from decaying life are just dogmatic ostriches with their heads in the sand.
06:37 PM on 04/03/2010
So?

Yes, THAT methane is produced abiotically, having condensed with the moon itself (methane is found in space, along with other ingredients of life). Then, gravity makes it rise to the surface. THEN, being light, it eventually escapes back into space. THEN, it is replaced from underground sources over time, leading to Titan's ongoing situation. When Titan is finally old enough, it will no longer deliver its methane to its surface.

But on a WARM planet, the methane boils off MUCH faster (all gone in the first billiooo,ooo,ooon years); and what's left, is that produced by life. That's why the eggheads at NASA, who don't do their research for anyone's political agenda, use methane signatures as an all-but-sure sign of life on temperate planets.

And, if I might say so, to use your limited understanding of the science, to ridicule science itself, is not a valid intellectual stance to take. Before you ridicule someone, I think you owe it to them to understand what they are saying. Otherwise, you are also open to unwarranted criticisms.
06:26 PM on 04/03/2010
Such "misarguments" are part and parcel of our limited minds and imaginations. We start with an opinion, and take anything and everything as "proof," forgetting all the evidence against.

That's why dinosaurs are blamed for the actions of whole ecosystems.
09:29 PM on 03/30/2010
Arguments based on giant conspiracies, mockery, misperceptions, bad science and speculations.
09:31 PM on 03/30/2010
I forgot name calling and theology, how could I?
09:08 PM on 03/30/2010
Maybe all you negatists should do a little research before you start knocking people down about there theories and insights.
Did you know that on the moon of Saturn (Titan), that it rains oil because there are oceans of oil there according to our own Space agency NASA our maybe it had an over abundance of Dinosours?
Nasa has also discovered huge oceans of frozen methane on Europa a moon of Jupiter with possible water below the ice. Even our own moon has frozen water, how do you explain?
All I see Raymond saying is that you have been Duked because there may not be a shortage of oil and if you like giving the oil companies your money when there is no need for it then I have a few bills I need payed off! Could you Help me out since you have lots of extra cash?
09:24 PM on 03/30/2010
That's right, because dinosaurs are the only source of Methane.

And of course, I -heart- oil companies. (And no cash for you!)
06:24 PM on 04/03/2010
Methane is indeed produced abiotically, but it doesn't last at warm temperatures, as on the Earth. Methane on a temperate planet is a sure sign of life OR of small tick-along geological processes.

But to take the very small portion of it that's produced by normal geology, and use that to say that it ALL is, is a huge misuse of the science -- and such a huge misuse of science must call into question one's motives, in spreading such misinformation.
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DaveCarroll4
Retired Substance Abuse Counselor. Long-time Democ
09:06 PM on 03/30/2010
A new conspiracy theory? Someone said this was about "banana oil"... I like "SNAKE OIL"!