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Raymond J. Learsy

Raymond J. Learsy

Posted: August 4, 2010 05:12 PM

Well there you have it in the opening sentence of an eye-opening article in this Sunday's New York Times, Tracing Oil Reserves to Their Tiny Origins: "If you believe petroleum came from dinosaurs, think again and look toward the seas."

Here, in the Science section, the Times tells us that the emphasis these many years on "fossil fuels turned out to be wrong." The article goes on to detail the evolution of vast reservoirs of oil that owe their origins to microscopic life that fell into the sea over the ages and was "cooked" into oil through the earth's inner heat. That over 95% of the world's oil traces its genesis to these origins. That the most productive regions are centered on shorelines and coastal regions (think the Gulf of Mexico). According to the article, the broad shelf areas are some of "the best "factories for biogenic proliferation," especially the shore of the Tethys Sea (a prehistoric, ancient ocean that bordered the equator some 100 million years ago and was to form along its southern shore the oil laden sectors of the Middle East).

Similar Cretaceous period events, we are now learning, may have yielded munificent reservoirs of oil. As an example: when the mass of Africa pulled away from South America, "Big rivers poured in nutrients. A biological frenzy on the western shores of the narrow ocean ended up forming the vast oil fields now being discovered." It is not for naught that Brazil alone has unveiled a five-year, $224 billion investment plan to tap and develop these vast oil deposits.

Combine this information with equally impressive work done by Russian and Ukrainian geologists on the theory of Abiotic Oil, (which states that oil is inherent to the geological make up of the earth) and the dimension of extant oil takes on a whole new meaning.

It has been the cornerstone of Peak Oil dogma, which has indoctrinated us into believing that oil is imminently running out. It has permitted the oil industry to get away with setting prices unrelated to the forces of supply and demand -- prices achieved by having successfully lulled the oil consuming public and their governments into a trance of blind acceptance of costly oil.

The peak oil geologists and their prediction of the imminent arrival of peak oil is science paid for in large measure by the best geology that oil money can buy. One after another, the Peak Oil Pranksters are falling all over themselves, fine tuning their prophecies of physical depletion to "well its not so much that there is a physical shortage, but it is more difficult and costly to access." That may be the case (especially with regards to offshore reservoirs, as we all now know). But that is a very different argument than the oil industry's self-serving cries of, "there just ain't no more, so please pay, pay, pay."

 
 
 
Well there you have it in the opening sentence of an eye-opening article in this Sunday's New York Times, Tracing Oil Reserves to Their Tiny Origins: "If you believe petroleum came from dinosaurs, thi...
Well there you have it in the opening sentence of an eye-opening article in this Sunday's New York Times, Tracing Oil Reserves to Their Tiny Origins: "If you believe petroleum came from dinosaurs, thi...
 
 
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02:44 PM on 08/21/2010
So I'm curious as to wether the comments made disputing this article are made by qualified people or do you just think you know that there's in fact a REAL decline in production of oil. I tend to believe the article and the big oil corps will do anything to support there claims of declining reserves. Why would the oil companies admit for even a second that there's more oil available. That would only undermine there absolute control and drive prices and profits down. Exactly how many independent studies "not funded by the Oil Corps" have been enacted? I saw a short clip on how much oil BP claimed they were pumping out of the horizon well and how much ended up spilling into the gulf. The difference was staggering. Suspicion's were BP said there was far less oil in the well then in reality due to the fact the government gets a percentage of the amount of oil pumped. Therefore BP pay's less. BP has been caught in so many lies its farcical. Yet they spin everything with a government whose in bed with them and supports the mis-info. You can't get independent studies anymore because there's not enough money to support a real study. The government won't fund it and oil might as long as it's outcome favors there big lie.
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11:03 AM on 08/08/2010
What does a new theory about origins of oil has anything to do with Peak oil? Peak oil is about production, and we all know that it’s going down.
09:15 AM on 08/08/2010
Raymond,

There is nothing in that New York Times article contradicting Peak Oil. Oil results from biological dead zones in the sea (no oxygen, hence no decomposition of organic molecules). The coastal areas have been well explored. There is no surprise bonanza waiting there.

Indeed, the conditions required for oil to form are very stringent. It requires that dead organic material settle at the bottom of the sea in areas where the sea bottom is dead due to lack of oxygen. Quite rare conditions either today or in the last 500 million years.

According to both CERA and the EIA, the vast majority of giant oil fields (defined as producing more than a half million barrles every 24 hours) are declining at a rate estimated to be between 4% and 6% annually.

So the math is against you. The world needs to add a Saudi Arabia to productoin every four years to prevent decline.

That's not going to happen.

By the way, oil production in the Gulf has not prevented either Mexico's or the United States productoin from declining. Mexico peaked in 2002 and is now 30% below it. The US peaked in 1973 and is now 50% below. Norway and Great Britain are also in long term decline.

If you think there is an oil price conspiracy, you are naive. There are way too many players in the oil market to coordinate prices. Oil price conspiracies are a hobgoblin of the populist Left (as opposed to the intelligent Left)
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aligatorhardt
Cut on the bias
11:04 AM on 08/08/2010
I cannot agree with complete dismissal of price setting conspiracies. The OPEC group agrees on pricing and influences prices on the market. That is by definition a conspiracy, although legal, it is price fixing. They also agree on production volumes which influences price. While some independent sources like Venezuela act separate, they are still indirectly restrained by the actions of OPEC.
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11:17 AM on 08/08/2010
Oil prices are regulated by New York Mercantile, International Petroleum Exchange (London) and Singapore International Monetary Exchange. OPEC sets quotas for member states to ensure that global markets are supplied adequately. Venezuela is an OPEC member but there are major producers like Russia and Azerbaijan are independent.
11:29 AM on 08/08/2010
History supports my position.

OPEC was able to push prices up in the early 70s because OPEC became the swing producer after the US became a net importer (after US oil production peaked in 1972 and went into decline).

But OPEC able to maintain discipline when the 1982 recession reduced demand and as Norway and the UK ramped up their fields.

Then prices fell even further in the 90s and got to the $12 a barrel level.

Price conspiracies tend to unravel themselves because cheating is very attractive to the smarller OPEC players. OPEC has only one enforcement mechanism - Saudi Arabia's ability to ramp up production and drive prices down to punish cheating.

But how much excess capacity does Saudi Arabia have? The same Saudi Arabia that is planning to build nuclear power plants and is constructing solar powered desalination plants.

A country that is foregoing investing in new oil discovery ...

Sounds like a country preparing for a post oil world ....
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12:17 PM on 08/08/2010
Great, so lets go ahead and focus on sources other than oil for our energy. But lets write the grants so somebody besides oil companies can qualify for them. Oil companies have suppressed research into alternative energy for decades. Nobody except the dumb right (including the dumber right) thinks we should stay addicted to oil.
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Throw away the dogma, keep your dog.
09:17 PM on 08/05/2010
The biggest misunderstanding about Peak Oil is that it's about more than half of the source being gone. It's not that. It's about predictable declines in oilfield production which has to do with how the oil is drawn out of the ground, not how much is down there to draw. No country that has passed Peak Oil Production has ever managed make a new production high.

As far as the vast reservoirs of oil being down there or about abiogenic oil just cooking up fresh supply does not square up with the well known and documentable fact that new discoveries of oil are shrinking in size and in the frequency of discovery.
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10:14 PM on 08/05/2010
Hi Matt. of course you are correct that "new discoveries of oil are shrinking in size and in the frequency of discovery."
What Cornucopians, and some "greenies" believe is that "alternatives" and unconventional sources (like tar-sands) can make up the difference.
Magical thinking does not, and will not, deter history.
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12:27 PM on 08/08/2010
I promise you that "greenies" are not interested in strip mining tar sands. The oil spill slime brownies are the ones interested in that. In fact "greenies" are not looking for more oil at all. "Greenies" want to stop burning oil for many reasons, including the idea that oil might be much more valuable for applications other than burning it. All the "magical thinking" I see comes from right wing sources. The truth is, the "greenies" have been right for 40 years about depletion, pollution, spills, health degradation and economic effects. But no, the "free" market will control and solve everything. Well, it's coming home to roost now, and the oil slime brownies are all scrambling to be the last one to the well.
03:08 AM on 08/06/2010
"No country that has passed Peak Oil Production has ever managed make a new production high."

Uh yeah . . . by definition. Countries have made come backs. Russia had a big comeback although that is leveling off. The USA has gone up a little bit in recent years.

But yeah, overall overall it is a problem.
09:19 AM on 08/08/2010
I'm afraid Russia is the example that proves Peak Oil is correct. The US, Mexico, UK, and Norway are all in long term decline along with another twenty countries world wide.

What separates Russia from the rest of the world was a lack of capital in the 1980s and the plunging of oil prices in the 90s. It was underinvestment that caused their production to decline in the 80s and early 90s. Special circumstances.

In no country where there have been open access to capital and technology has oil production peaked, gone into decline, and then reversed itself to reach a new peak higher than the former.

Russia is a special case that has not been replicated elsewhere.
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11:24 AM on 08/08/2010
For some unknown reason, US department of energy has been including Canadian production to US numbers for some years. North American conventional reserves are in rapid decline.
08:21 PM on 08/05/2010
Peak Oil Explained by U.S. Representative Vernon Ehlers
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gSdGU3XZmLk&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yjcHuRphIas&feature=related
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10:09 PM on 08/05/2010
Nicely put together citizen- I especially liked the double speak from "its all about access" Tillerson.
thanks.
02:17 PM on 08/06/2010
Thank you. This thing is something I put together a couple years ago as a means of bookmarking my links when I began researching peak oil. When I realized it was being accessed I began adding some visuals to illustrate how much volume of oil the world economies consume to support their GDPs.

For example: Since everyone has seen 55-gallon steel drums I covert barrels into drums and then build a pipeline out of those drums. At 85M bbl/day of consumption you could fill 64,909,090 drums. At 3 feet tall laid end to end you could make a pipeline of drums stretching 36,880 miles long. At 24,900 miles circumference of the earth those drums would encircle the earth 1 1/2 each day, 540 times per year. And flow rate through that pipe would be twice the speed of sound, Mach 2. Here's the math: http://oildepletiondebate.blogspot.com/2009/07/steel-drum-pipeline-of-oil-encircling.html

At 86,400,000bbl per day (a 1000bbl per second) you could fill 2,044,000 Olympic pools. They'd encircle the earth 2 1/2 time each year.

That tells me a couple of things:
1 the world produces huge amount of oil but those volumes are needed to run the modern world.
2 Comprehending that consumption and then believing it would be easy to replace the energy equivalent in those barrels with bios, or whatever, is delusional.
02:31 PM on 08/06/2010
I caught this on C-Span but it isn't on Youtube (this part is on Youtube, however http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PUaY3LhJ-IQ). Right after Maxine Waters shot her mouth off John Hoffmeister said: The American public needs to understand what's involved here. The US economy consumes oil at a rate of 10,000 gallons of oil every second, every second of every day. It consumes 60 billion cubic feet of natural gas everyday and if you stacked those cubic feet on top of each other they'd reach to the moon and back....25 times! And it consumes 20 rail cars of coal every minute. That's a 100 rail car trainload of coal every 5 minutes.

If a person knows that and then hears a politician saying "yes we can transition to advanced bios and do it within ten years" or "drill baby drill" has to ask themselves a couple of questions: Either this politician knows nothing about what's at stack or that politician is using campaign rhetoric to get votes from an energy ignorant populous.

I get these emails about how the 300B bbls of oil in the Bakken Shale. Only a fraction of that volume is producible. The USGS increased its estimate of total Bakken recovery from 350,000bbl to 4B bbl using horizontal drilling. Problem is since the US consumes 7B per year and 3/4 of that is imported the Bakken's 4B only equals a year's worth of US imports.
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06:01 PM on 08/05/2010
One more item Raymond-
If as you say, "...peak oil is science paid for in large measure by the best geology that oil money can buy." -can you please contact someone at the NYT or Exxon and inquire for me as to where my check is?"
Thanks a bunch,
GAB
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aligatorhardt
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05:07 PM on 08/05/2010
this is a theory that needs proof to become any more than wishful thinking. Perhaps if the oil industry can develop a safe way to conduct ocean drilling and a capability to respond to blowouts and accidents, then one day we might be able to test the theories. The air and water pollution from oil is such a serious problem that oil use should be avoided and clean systems installed as quickly as possible. We might be able to continue using oil if coal was discontinued, but the present rates are unsustainable. This may well be just another denial story to avoid new energy and prolong the monopoly position of the oil industry. The ocean cannot stand more deep water drilling at this time.
07:46 PM on 08/05/2010
Broadening the Peak Oil Conversation
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0JJ_4As4LXQ&feature=related
09:30 AM on 08/08/2010
You can't prove until happens. It is very similar to Global Warming. People want proof. The proof will be when it happens.

In other words, you posing a standard of evidence that is not pragmatic and will lead to paralysis.

There are many levels of evidence ranging from plausiblity to preponderance of evidence to beyond a reasonable debt to proof.

Proof is not the right criterion.

Oil discoveries peaked in the 1960s. Reserve figures are probably exaggerated due to OPEC. Certainly any new oil being discovered has a marginal cost in the $60 to $90 a barrel.

Peal oil is very plausible just like Global Warming. Time to prepare ...
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aligatorhardt
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10:37 AM on 08/08/2010
My lazy sentence has failed it's job. The proof I was requiring is the proof of competence of oil drilling operatives to respond to the inevitable accidents of drilling. Broken pipes and oil gushers are typical problems which certainly should have procedures and equipment for resolving an accident. To take 3 months to cap a pipe is completely unacceptable. They should not receive permit to drill in the ocean without proof of better competency. I am convinced that oil is running out and will continue to increase in price when the economies pick up again. I am also convinced that the pursuit of oil is far more expensive than we can afford.
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03:29 PM on 08/05/2010
Man, with this complete debt of faith in innovation from the right wing you would think americans have never changed the world before..alternative energy solutions are out there we just need to think of them..if Thomas Edison was a rethug we would all still be sitting in the dark
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aligatorhardt
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05:12 PM on 08/05/2010
I think it's all about maintaining a monopoly on energy production, it is hard to understand any other reason for the ridiculous denial stories. Clean, renewable energy will be so much better in so many ways that once the public becomes familiar they will not choose oil again.
09:34 AM on 08/08/2010
Renewable energy is extremely expensive and it doesn't scale well. We will be lucky to get 20% of global energy from renewables by the year 2025.

Given the French success, it seems clear that nuclear is the way to go along with a very heavy of dose of conservatin. Since German enery intensity per dollar of German GDP is half that of the US, conservation will be key. That probably means an energy tax.
02:26 PM on 08/05/2010
Learsy makes it seem like the NYTimes article "in the science section" is revealing dramatic new information about oil supplies. He even takes the phrase, "turned out to be wrong" right out of context, making it appear that the scientific consensus was wrong. But the Times article was merely stating that its own charicature of the popular understanding of the origins of oil "turned out to be wrong". The Times condescendingly implied that the simple-minded public thinks that oil literally comes from dinosaurs.

In fact the Times article is just a transparent advocacy for off-shore drilling. This is unsurprising given the huge popular backlash against such drilling, for obvious reasons. The Times is just fulfilling its role as advocate for big coprorate interests.
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10:16 PM on 08/05/2010
we'll have to call you "Nailin-it-Noam". Very succinct.
thanx.
08:51 PM on 08/04/2010
All you have to do is google Raymond Learsy to quickly see that he has a flat-earth style vendetta against peak oilers. He's in no way credible. The fact that he would pounce on this story to try to breathe life into the flat-earth-grade abiotic oil theory should be enough to cause anyone with half a brain to disregard his propagandistic talking points.
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08:25 PM on 08/04/2010
Peak oil, shmeak oil. Scientists also discovered electrolysis of water, some centuries ago. Today, both GE, and Siam corporation make a commercial grade electrolyzer, for hydrogen production. Hydrogen. It's part of water. 2/3-3/4 of the earth's surface is covered in water. All you have to do is purify it, and power the electrolyzer, and in theory at least, you've got a limitless supply of hydrogen. And, if you get to the point where you can 'grow your own', that's the last time you'd ever need to stop at a um, 'gas station', and pay 3 bucks a gallon for industry leftovers. Enough with the politics and the price manipulations, let's go Beyond Petroleum, make the stuff obsolete.
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09:05 PM on 08/04/2010
Rube Goldberg? Is that you?
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10:26 PM on 08/04/2010
As long as yu have a limitless supply of electricity to hower the electrolyzer, then you can have an unlimited supply of hydrogen! Why didn't I think of that before.
anthonyve
An exmilitary, excorporate Aussie
07:53 PM on 08/04/2010
How is this relevant?
Even if the world was swimming with oil, we should be getting off it asap.
finding and consuming oodles of oil in a world that is otherwise becoming uninhabitable due to its unrestrained use has to be a really dubious strategy.
Anthony
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09:48 PM on 08/04/2010
Absolutely correct.

But anything that helps break the OPEC/BUSHCO stranglehold on humanity is something that we need to factor into every element of our transition planning.
11:34 AM on 08/08/2010
Peak oil is relevant because countries are assuming there will always be enough fossil fuels available to fill the energy gaps left by renewables during the transition period.

That's highly unlikely given that oil production will probably fall sometime early this century. Oil production will fall before any migration to other energy sources is underway.

The economic disruption could be very severe, particularly for an energy hot like the US.
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07:38 PM on 08/04/2010
Good try Raymond- thought you'd sneak it by us "pranksters" eh? lol.
Actually, we are past peak- Peak meaning the apex of supply of crude and condensate (c&c).
You want the uninitiated to believe that PO is promoted by Big Oil, whereas, like most new-speak, it denies the reality that Big oil, along with the USGS, has been Cornucopian- NOT promoting Peak Oil or conservation- like you, Raymond. How many times have we gone over this?
Our love of the tar sands and deep ocean oil is testament to the precarious nature of supply.
We're going to coal now, so that we can drive our little "green" 'lectric cars.
As to Idiotic, er, Abiotic oil, you and i wish. If I wish for an afterlife, it doesn't make it so.
Just come out and say it with me- we don't need no stinkin' conservation!
09:55 PM on 08/04/2010
Really! I've always found Learsy to be a fairly balanced voice. He even found ways to help make sense out of the most recent oil price drop to near $30/barrel. And I've never seen him to be married to continued consumption, OPEC, or any other manifestation of BIG OIL.

I wonder how long, by chance, you've been reading him.
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12:18 PM on 08/05/2010
Hello OPS,
Me and Raymond go back a long way. His posts used to be all I would comment on back in the heady days of $140 oil. He was my first, and for the longest time, only fan- ya, kinda funny but he fanned me back when i eschewed all that nonsense and had no friends, no fans.
I do like Raymond and think in real life we'd be good friends with a lot to argue about.
I wish he'd do like some bloggers and respond to commentors.
As far as him not being "married to continued consumption, OPEC, or any other manifestation of BIG OIL" i agree, but he prefers to conflate "peak oil pranksters" with Big Oil interests, whereas as i've pointed out with chapter and verse over the years that OPEC and B.O. have been the primary deniers of peak oil for obvious reasons. Also, Raymond seldom (if ever) has promoted conservation which happens to be the lowest hanging fruit for solving energy problems. He prefers to say how abundant oil really is with the only impediment to our birthright to cheap fuel prices being greedy Oil barons, bankers, and sheiks.
Obviously, i disagree.
Hope that clears that up.
regards, GAB
11:47 AM on 08/08/2010
Raymons confuses Peak Oil advocaes with Big Oil. Big Oil is an enemy of Peak Oil since Peak Oil suggest that nations should migrate from oil to other energy sources.

Raymond can't seem to figure that out. :)

Raymond embodies what I call the 'dumb left'. The Dumb Left never took a basic economics course and believes that any price rise that affects the common man must be a price conspiracy by rapacious capitalists. Falling prices is always fair ... Rising prices always bad ...

Rising prices encourage conservation and encourage new supplies. It is an intelligent rationing system. Not perfect, and needs to be supplemented, but an essential ingredient in a world of scarcity.
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07:24 PM on 08/04/2010
A couple questions.

1. The shape of the continents and oceans was significantly different in the Cretaceous, so why should all these deposits currently be under seas?

2. Can we rely on deep water drilling to be safe?

3. If a field is very far from land, the middle of the south Atlantic for example, won't that make the extraction costs higher?
10:06 PM on 08/04/2010
Let's see: (1) The Middle East was mentioned, and I would suspect that West Texas, Sakhalin Island, and the North Slope (among many others) might very well fit the hypothsized pattern. (2) I'm pretty sure that we can count on much of the easy stuff to have already been produced, and much of the remainder to be varying degress of problematical. and (3) Everything indicates that we can and will (with appropriate prioritization) develop alternative energy technologies that will completly obviate the need for humanity to look to our hydrocarbon resources (with the possible exception of some residual use of natural gas) for anything other than industrial feedstocks.