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Romney's Religion

Posted: 12/27/2011 5:24 pm

Yesterday was a federal holiday honoring a religious celebration; if there is a War on Christmas, Christmas is winning. So this is as good a time as any to discuss Mitt Romney's religion, and the separation of church and state.

One of the unwritten rules of American politics is that you should never express disappointment with the voters. They can express their disappointment with you, each time you're on the ballot. But it's strictly a one-way street.

Nevertheless, I was disappointed to read last Thursday that a Mason-Dixon poll found that 26% of all American voters would be "uncomfortable" with a Mormon as president. Last month, a Public Religion Research Institute poll put that figure at more than 40%. In June, a Quinnipiac poll put the figure at 36%. And a Gallup Poll in June found that 22% of all voters would not support any presidential candidate who is an active Mormon.

The Constitution could not possibly be clearer on this point. The penultimate sentence of the Constitution states: "no religious Test shall ever be required as a Qualification to any Office or public Trust under the United States." Note that this was in the original Constitution; the First Amendment and the Bill of Rights came later.

In fact, the Founding Fathers had very strong views on this subject. This is reflected in the inscription on Thomas Jefferson's tombstone, which Jefferson wrote himself. The tombstone identifies Jefferson's three proudest accomplishments -- interestingly, his being president for eight years didn't make the cut. Instead, Jefferson's tombstone recognizes Jefferson as (1) the author of the Declaration of Independence, (2) founder of the University of Virginia, and (3) author of the "Statute of Virginia for Religious Freedom." That statute eliminated the Anglican Church as the official state religion of Virginia, and opened state government to all religions.

Perhaps this is one of those times when people need to be reminded of what Lincoln called "the better angels of our nature." Bigotry is wrong, whether it's directed against African-Americans, gays, Jews or Mormons.

Mitt Romney got this right, in a speech during his 2008 campaign. He said: "I am an American running for President. I do not define my candidacy by my religion. A person should not be elected because of his faith, nor should he be rejected because of his faith."

Amen to that, Brother.

It's not that I'm soft on Romney. When Newsweek asked me about Mitt Romney a couple of weeks ago, the only good thing that I could say about him is that "he would be less bad than some of the other candidates who are running for the Republican nomination." Mark Shields said that Romney has "more positions than the Kama Sutra." When I watch Romney, I see someone so conflicted that he can't make up his mind whether to flip or flop. And I never got to see the Republican Presidential debate that I really wanted to see: Romney 2006 vs. Romney 2011.

But here's the thing: we need a president who will find jobs for the 24 million Americans who can't find full-time work. We need a president who will find health care for the 50 million Americans who can't see a doctor when they are sick. We need a president who will find food for the 48 million Americans who need government assistance to feed themselves.

You find me a president like that, and I don't care if she is a left-handed, gay, differently-abled, Latino Mormon. Or a Moslem, Buddhist, atheist, Protestant, Catholic or Jew.

I just want someone who can do the job.

Courage,

Alan Grayson

 

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Yesterday was a federal holiday honoring a religious celebration; if there is a War on Christmas, Christmas is winning. So this is as good a time as any to discuss Mitt Romney's religion, and the sep...
Yesterday was a federal holiday honoring a religious celebration; if there is a War on Christmas, Christmas is winning. So this is as good a time as any to discuss Mitt Romney's religion, and the sep...
 
 
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HufferDave87
Give me the facts, then I'll decide...
05:38 PM on 12/29/2011
I agree with Alan Grayson on most of what he has to say, but I have to disagree on this point:

"The Constitution could not possibly be clearer on this point. The penultimate sentence of the Constitution states: "no religious Test shall ever be required as a Qualification to any Office or public Trust under the United States."

In the context of a Presidential election, the Constitution merely prohibits any laws that REQUIRE a person to have a particular religious belief to be elected. In other words, there can be no LAW that essentially says, for example, "You must be a Christian to be President of the United States".

There is no such law in this country. Although it might be ignorant and unfortunate, it is entirely within the rights of any and all voters to choose not to vote for someone because the person does not hold a particular religious belief. The Constitution says nothing about what criteria voters can and can't use for choosing the candidate for which they vote.
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AcademicFreedom
Often banned; always factual
08:15 AM on 12/29/2011
If an "effects test" were applied to the Federal Reserve, it would indicate that religion is generally a requirement to be on the Board of Governors, or be a FRB Bank President.
08:11 AM on 12/29/2011
Prediction 2012: Romney-Huckabee
08:11 AM on 12/29/2011
"I don't care if she is a left-handed, gay, differently-abled, Latino Mormon. Or a Moslem, Buddhist, atheist, Protestant, Catholic or Jew."

Just not Republican.
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parlimentMike
Don't settle for less evil, demand good
10:42 AM on 12/29/2011
That's a start, but they shouldn't be Democrats who push Republican policies either.
03:43 PM on 12/29/2011
Seems my sarcasm was not sufficiently blatant.
04:43 AM on 12/29/2011
Alan, if I told you that I believe GOD was really Donald Duck and lived on the dark side of the moon, would you want me to be President? I think not.

In Mormon theology, the Mormon god lives on his own planet, Kolob, and has many wives. That's just the beginning. If you have ever lived in a state like Idaho or Utah you most certainly have a different perception of what Mormonism represents not just as a religion but an organization that tries to impose it's own morality on the rest of society. Kinda like dare I say, the Taliban.
GHarry
Kitty wrangler
05:11 AM on 12/29/2011
As far-fetched as Mormon beliefs might be, they are no more far-fetched than the beliefs of any other religious group. Religion is merely superstition and fantasy posing as wisdom. And most religious groups also are coercive. Try living in a Southern town with a large Baptist church dominating the skyline. Asking that American voters think logically is apparently too much to ask, so we are obliged to choose the representative of the least-harmful cult.
02:49 PM on 12/29/2011
Comparison to Mormonism and the Taliban is utterly ridiculous and you should be ashamed of yourself for suggesting it.
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03:59 AM on 12/29/2011
I think you will need to find a candidate whose true religion isn't Wall Street - no matter what other religion they hide behind.
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OzzieTonto
“Hatred, the only thing that lasts.”
03:44 AM on 12/29/2011
Always encouraging to hear from Mr Grayson. And I hope to see you serving your needy country again soon.
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Vitorio
Healthy, Educated America will always prosper.
03:08 AM on 12/29/2011
..."Amen to that Brother"...oh no you did not write that......useless
ThinkCreeps
Seriously, it's time.
01:57 AM on 12/29/2011
That's all very well and appropriate, but there is a difference between Mr Romney having parents from a mormon background, which he can do nothing about, and defining himself like that.

Mr Obama is black. There's nothing he can do about that. Mrs Clinton is a women. Likewise she can't change that. Those characteristics are inevitably part of those politicians, and cause a loss of support amongst some potential voters. Whereas Mr Romney is free to stop being `mormon' at any time. He could choose to be a different religion or none.

The most worrying thing for democracy is that taking undue account of iron-age traditions has any influence on the electoral process.
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mcartri
01:24 AM on 12/29/2011
Alan, if Romney was as much an adherent of Scientology as Tom Cruise, would it be fair to question whether he should be POTUS? Some people believe certain "religions" are cults and will not support an individual they believe belongs to a cult.
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bridgeman
Jesus was a Jazz fan
12:43 AM on 12/29/2011
Bets Post of the week
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bridgeman
Jesus was a Jazz fan
12:44 AM on 12/29/2011
Best...it's getting late;)
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Grichde
Little Hope, Wrong Change
11:36 PM on 12/28/2011
President Obama gets mediocre marks for his handling of the economy, and Mitt Romney easily outpolls his Republican rivals, in an Associated Press survey of economists.

“Health care reform wasn’t necessarily the most important thing to be dealing with when you’re in the midst of the worst recession since the Great Depression,” says Joel Naroff, president of Naroff Economics.

Mr. Sinai notes that public-works projects failed to pull Japan out of a long economic slump that began in the 1990s and continues today. After the money is spent, “you’re left with deficits and debt.”

Some critics say Mr. Obama’s 2009 stimulus program relied too much on public-works projects that were slow to get going. Decision Economics‘ Mr. Sinai says the president should have favored more tax cuts that put money in Americans’ pockets immediately.

Mr. Sinai notes that public-works projects failed to pull Japan out of a long economic slump that began in the 1990s and continues today. After the money is spent, “you’re left with deficits and debt.”
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mcartri
01:28 AM on 12/29/2011
Obamacare is the American Heritage Foundation's plan, which Romney got Massachusetts. Every plan to stimulate the economy by Obama has been fought by a GOP caring more about defeating Obama in 2012, than caring what happens to the NOT RICH.
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mechadave
08:20 AM on 12/29/2011
Are you mistakenly commenting on the wrong article? It wasn't about President Obama or economics.
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way2sunny
11:21 PM on 12/28/2011
I agree, but it won't matter what I think -- only what the GOP voters think. There's a significant shortage of open-minded republicans these days, especially about religion.
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mcartri
01:33 AM on 12/29/2011
Romney's pro-choice, but the Christian Right, which is neither, will choose the white guy in a second over that less than lily white Obama. The GOP has been using the conservative Christians for decades to not be their brother's keeper after gaining office. The GOP worships money and their idol is Ayn Rand, who detested Christianity.
02:51 PM on 12/29/2011
If you think religious people are close-minded, you should read the numerous posts by atheists on HP pages, especially in the Religion section. Many just plain mean-spirited.
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mcartri
09:26 PM on 12/29/2011
God only knows you can't trust those atheists commenting on God.
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Lisa Shields
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10:54 PM on 12/28/2011
When a Wicca stands half a chance at being elected, I will cede you your point.
You see, I agree with freedom of and from religion....and I don't believe in holding someone's beliefs against them.

Mr, Romney can quell a lot of his critics by letting us see his tax returns.
People do, after all, vote their wallets.
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rovezaleeker
The Koch Brothers are terrorists.
10:07 PM on 12/28/2011
Any voter who chooses not to vote for a Mormon because of their crazy beliefs needs to include all other religions in that goofy reasoning. There is not a religion on the planet that does not have some whacked out superstitious beliefs. Most of the nuts who discriminate against the current President of the United States of America because of his skin color don't accept the fact that Jesus was dark skinned. These are the same people who believed Saddam Hussein brought down the World Trade Center and thought that George Bush wanted to have a beer with them. Don't hide your ignorance behind religion
10:33 PM on 12/28/2011
//Any voter who chooses not to vote for a Mormon because of their crazy beliefs needs to include all other religions in that goofy reasoning.//

I do. I treat all their goofy reasoning equally.