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Sen. Bernie Sanders

Posted: August 14, 2009 09:11 AM

Health Care Town Meetings


For much of America, the all-American values depicted in Norman Rockwell's classic illustrations are idealistic. For those of us from Vermont, they're realistic. That's what we do. When Norman Rockwell lived and worked in Vermont, the people he painted were from here. That town meeting depicted in the painting called "Freedom of Speech," it took place in Arlington, Vt., where, as it happens, I will be hosting a town meeting on Saturday in a public park.

I don't recognize the raucous and rowdy town meetings in other parts of the country that have grabbed big headlines this month. Those shouters and screamers talk about "freedom," but what they are doing is trying to disrupt meetings. That's the absolute opposite of what freedom of discussion is about. They are trying to shout down speakers and shut down town meetings because they are afraid to debate the real issues and the unprecedented set of problems our country now faces.

In terms of health care, they are afraid to debate the fact that we have a disintegrating health care system with soaring costs, that we have tens of millions uninsured and underinsured, the fact that over 18,000 Americans die every year because they don't get to a doctor on time, or the reality that some 1 million Americans will go bankrupt this year because of medically-related bills. These people are screaming and yelling so we can't have a real discussion of the real health care crisis.

If what you want is a real debate, let's have it. Let's ask why countries around the world have better health care outcomes than we do at half the cost. Let's ask why we are the only nation in the industrialized world that does not have a national health care program guaranteeing health care for all of their people. Let's ask why some 60 million Americans, including many with health insurance, do not have access to a physician on a regular basis. Let's ask why private insurance companies, which pay their CEOs outrageous compensation packages, deny coverage to people with preexisting conditions or refuse to extend their policies when they need it most. Those are the kinds of questions that we ought to be discussing.

There's a back story to the town meeting protests. The health care industry in America is doing everything it can to stop reform. Incredibly, it has spent $130 million just in the last quarter trying to influence Congress. The Washington Post has reported that $1.4 million a day is being spent by well-paid lobbyists to do everything they can do to stop health care reform. There is a reason for that intense opposition. Private insurance companies in America are reaping huge profits. Drug companies in America are charging the American people, by far, the highest prices in the world for prescription drugs. Of course, they don't want health care reform. Of course, they'll do everything to try to stop us.

I look forward to discussing those issues at town meetings in Vermont this month and, when I return to Washington after the August break, with Americans across the country.

I have had hundreds of town meetings in every corner of the state since I was elected to Congress in 1990 and the Senate in 2006. I do them because I like them and because they are what an elected official should be doing. I want to hear what's on peoples' minds, and I want to inform them of what my office is doing to address the very serious set of problems currently facing our country, problems that go beyond the health care crisis.

As Americans, we need a serious discussion about the collapse of the middle class and the growing gap between the very rich and everyone else. We need to find a way to address the incredible greed on Wall Street while, at the same time, our manufacturing base is collapsing. We need to determine how we can create millions of good-paying green jobs as we address the terrible threats of global warming.

Shouting down and intimidating someone from speaking their mind is not exactly a Vermont town meeting value, nor should it be an American town meeting value. It simply suggests fear of ideas that you may not be familiar with or disagree with. Unlike some other places around the country, I am confident that in Vermont people will be respectful of differing points of view. I hope we can be a good example for rest of the country.


UPDATE: Senator Sanders held two town meetings in Vermont on Saturday. Both showed a strong turnout and civil discourse. Watch the video here.

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For much of America, the all-American values depicted in Norman Rockwell's classic illustrations are idealistic. For those of us from Vermont, they're realistic. That's what we do. When Norman Rockw...
For much of America, the all-American values depicted in Norman Rockwell's classic illustrations are idealistic. For those of us from Vermont, they're realistic. That's what we do. When Norman Rockw...
 
 
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12:36 PM on 08/17/2009
Wow! I'm a freedom loving Aussie and I find this paranoia over decent pubic health care amazing.

We've had it for almost 30 years.

I've expounded on this in many of Huffo's threads but let me simply say... America you deserve better, do not believe the Conservative lies.
07:59 PM on 08/18/2009
Thanks Jemborg. I bet we must look pretty stupid fighting health care this way. Most of us who want it are making it through work each day and can't get to the town hall. Of course, the GOP is counting on that. I wish they would have stood up and fought the war like this, because then we'd have the money for good health care reform. It's funny that they went along with the war like herded cattle, but will bring out the guns to make sure our brothers don't get health care.
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11:33 PM on 08/16/2009
The reason we can't get a public option is because Kent Conrad's biggist contributors are Peter G. Angelos,- Robins Kaplin Miller chresi,- Baron & Budd,- Waters & Kraus, All personal injury lawyers who specialty is medical malpractice.
Theres Amgen inc, a drug company that has 10 approved drugs for 15 conditions, Than theres Todd organization, specialists in executive benifits and long term care insurance,
Theres Clark/Bardes consulting---healthcare group, The nations leading executive and physicians compensation consultants, Theres DaVita inc another consulting company, Goldman Sachs? More law firms like Patton Boggs LLP,- Simmons cooper LIC,- New York life insurance, the list just keeps going on, and on, and on, too many to list.
07:36 PM on 08/16/2009
I always listen to Sen Sanders when he answers questions on the Thom Hartman show. Bernie is a voice of reason, and a strong advocate for the American people. He knows that most of us are being ripped off, big time, by the health care complex. BC BS is totally out of control, raising my rates each and every year and now they will raise me 33%, double my co-pay and reduce my services. Services are being rationed now, with some pencil pusher deciding whether or not I get reimbursement. I will be paying $200.00 more per month next month to crappy BC BS. Our Congress, other than Bernie and a scant few others don't give a sh** at all about assisting kicked in the teeth Americans. All they wanted and got was to get out of DC for their month long vacation this month. They packed up and left people sick and dying at the mercy of these filthy health corporations. What is happening to the American people is totally outrageous.
02:00 PM on 08/16/2009
I wish Bernie Sanders would run for President in 2012 so I could vote for him.
01:21 PM on 08/16/2009
Senator Saunders,
People are angry at the town halls because of the arrogance of our government. The Fed has printed enormous sums of money with no accountability; our government added monstrous debt for our children in the stimulus bill and corporate bailouts. And there was no serious debate no follow-up audits before these were enacted. Now the democrats have promised to ramrod through healthcare reform with their control over Congress and the Presidency. If the government mismanages our health care, more people will get sicker and more people will die. So, yes, people are angry because of the arrogance and incompetence of our government.

I agree that debate is better than yelling in a town hall meeting and healthcare reform is necessary. I would like to hear answers to some questions. How will the proposed health reforms save money? Based on data from the Washington Post, we spend $1.1T in Medicare and Medicaid to insure 79 million Americans, at an annual cost of $13,924 per person. Simply buying all these folks a private plan, would save enough money to cover the uninsured. In these current proposals, how will you pay for the costs? How will you avoid rationing care? How will these improve the quality of our health care?

I'd love for an open debate on these topics which includes the people not just the deep pocketed special interests like insurance companies and unions. Our rare chances to be heard by politicians are via the town hall meetings.
02:45 PM on 08/16/2009
Okay I'm sounding like a broken record here but (let's try this again) WHERE WERE YOU when the "gummit" was spending billions and trillions in the totally mismanaged Iraq War by the arrogant and incompetent Dick and Bush???
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anotherwomanfromva
Trickle down didn't work; It's time for trickle up
08:05 PM on 08/16/2009
The town halls could be your chance to be heard but instead they are taken over by people paid by insurance lobbyists or by people whose intense hate for President Obama has completely clouded their judgment.

Frankly, all your talk about costs are a little late. You should have been posting and ranting when the previous president turned a surplus into a deficient. But they you were just being a good patriot, right. It seems a little ironic for all you fiscal conservatives to come out of the woodwork now when money is going to be spent on the people of America. You guys were nowhere to be found when my tax dollars were given to haliburton.
07:45 AM on 08/16/2009
Why is it ILLEGAL to commit suicide, but LEGAL to die since you don't have health insurance?
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metogamekun
non-violence takes guts
05:15 PM on 08/16/2009
Because that way, in both cases, insurance companies don't have to pay up.
12:44 AM on 08/16/2009
Some people seem to be under the impression that the people who don't have health insurance are people who drink and smoke. Somehow it hasn't occurred to them that most of the people without health insurance are the working poor and middle class. Many don't smoke or drink. The rolls of the uninsured are increasing daily because of unemployment or very high premiums. The man in the video I feel sorry for because he doesn't realize that the CEO's of these insurance companies view him as an illiterate f00l. They view most of these angry, screaming, sickly looking, hungry looking anti health care reform people as cannon fodder. It's really getting very embarrassing that the world is seeing that we have so many illiterate people in America.
08:57 PM on 08/15/2009
Here are a few healthcare facts:
1) Healthcare amounts to 16% of GDP and is growing rapidly
2) The government insures about 1/3 of all those insured via Medicare, Medicaid, and VA while 2/3 of the insured are covered by private insurance companies. That means that government is a big insurer already.
3) Government insures those most in need of health insurance: the elderly, the malnourished, the maimed veterans.
4) Private insurance companies “spend” 50% MORE per person than government in providing coverage: insurance companies spend 12% of GDP vs 4% of GDP by government. But is it on actual health care?
5) The overhead of private companies is about 40% - 20% administration and 20% PROFIT! That means that they skim about 2.4% of GDP off the top as profit. The answer to 4) is a resounding – NO!
6) In order to maintain those profit margins private insurers put low-level case workers between you and your physician to throw stumbling blocks in quest for non-payment of medical bills.

Give me a government bureaucrat any day - with a few SNAFUs every now and then- rather than a corporate clerk trying to maximize profit standing between me and my doctor,- questioning ME on every recommendation, ME on every diagnosis, ME on every expense until I simply pay the bill or give up altogether. If you think government-run programs are so bad remember ENRON, MCI, WorldCom, AIG, Wall-Street Banks, etc, etc. Wake up America!
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bbrecht
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09:41 AM on 08/17/2009
Fantastic facts, thank you!
05:44 PM on 08/15/2009
Watching CNN waiting for the President's town hall in Colorado, and looks like the bad guys are getting a little help from them today. Don Lemon's "guests" today are "Hands of my Healthcare" people. They keep displaying that on the banner at the bottom of the screen. These are the Rick Scott people, the Dick Armey people, Freedom Works and Americans for Prosperity, they are Don's guests today.

He had two doctors on, I guess to provide some TRUTH and FACTS, but these doctors and Don wimped out when Don says "I want to ask you about this euthanasiaa thing"

What? This was debunked at the very least days ago on many newsa shows. So, Don keeps asking if there's anything to it, and the doctors want to talk about rationed care. When pressed about euthanisia their responses were rather subdued. Eyes downcast, "I don't think that's a fair word to use" one said.

What is this? Friggin Invasion of the Body Snatchers? Doesn't CNN and Don Lemon know that Dick Armey and Rick Scott are the ones perpetrating the lies? FOR GAWD's SAKES, have they no decency?
08:25 AM on 08/16/2009
I caught a segment on BBC America news the other night. It's always interesting to get a European view on what's happening here. This segement was on Rick Scott and his commericals showing people dissatisfied with the NHS system in Britain. Turns out it's another Rick Scott lie!

One of the women featured says her segment is totally distorted and while she works for improvement within the NHS, she is overall satisfied and the way her story is represented in Scott's ad is false.

Years ago the FCC passed a truth in advertising law, because companies were making false claims about thier products. We need a truth in polical advertising laws as well. While I have no argument with civil disagreement or the need for opposing views to present their case in the best possible way (defense lawyers do it all the time). Out and out lying as in Rick's Scott's ad on the NHS need to be removed from the airwaves (including cable) and the company sponsoring them heavily fined.
11:54 AM on 08/16/2009
Amen to that. Allowing these people our airwaves to be bought and sold for what they pass off as truth does a grave disservice to our country and it's citizens. Something must be done. Thank GOD for Rachel Maddow. She's setting a new standard or returning to the old true standard of good old fashioned fact based reporting, connecting the dots.
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03:49 PM on 08/15/2009
For those who complain about the protests, a couple thoughts come to mind:
Jesse Jackson - "The only justification for ever looking down on somebody is to pick them up".
Oscar Wilde - "Discontent is the first step in the progress of a man or a nation".
04:45 PM on 08/16/2009
The beatings will continue until morale improves.
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socalgal38
03:33 PM on 08/15/2009
I am all for Health Care Reform, not at all interested in Health INSURANCE reform.

Senator Sanders comment that it is not true that the reform will not affect 55 or older in respect to health care is incorrect. You will be forced to pay more for coverage than the younger citizens. The reform of insurance companies where they give the insurance companies a reason to drop you using fraud is not reform but the exact same thing now being done.

The HR3200 does not have a public option that is backed by the government meaning it is just another insurance policy that will have to fend for itself. The restrictions on the public option will only be for people that do not already have insurance. There is medicaid that will segregate the low income. A single person making more than 1201 a month does not qualify.

If HR3200 gets enacted it will be a give away to the insurance company with no cost containment.
11:04 PM on 08/15/2009
Insurance Premiums are based on age now.
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billw8017
Obama/Biden 2012
02:26 PM on 08/15/2009
What's to be said: People who liked prohibition and support the war on drugs want more of the same. When they prevented the tobacco company from selling smokeless cigarettes, they somewhat took over the responsibility for deaths from smoking,

Addictions tend to lose power and to become a simple pleasure from restoring a certain comfort level. We see with foods how mother's milk leads ultimately to a person with a hunger for meat and potatoes. Addictions have no other purpose except to create an appetite with satisfactions similar to food. A person can live without them and, probably, more cheaply. So, addictions are waste, beguiling waste and a personal pleasure. It is sad that people in opposition to a personal pleasure will create vicious outlaw gangs.
01:57 PM on 08/15/2009
When the crisis that is looming around the corner strikes, those who dependent on MSNBC, NBC, CNN, ABC, CBS, and other government or George Soros run propaganda machines will be caught unprepared and will fail to take the necessary action needed to protect themselves, their families and their possessions.
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erinker
08:58 AM on 08/17/2009
More fear mongering. Big surprise!
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gabemill
03:55 PM on 08/18/2009
more like cybercrackpot
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12:48 PM on 08/15/2009
Dear Senator,

It is sad that 18,000 people died because they couldn't get to a doctor in time. It's also sad that 440,000 died in 2005 from smoking, and countless millions from alcohol. Maybe we could fund national insurance by taxing cigarettes and bourbon three times the suggested retail price.
03:37 PM on 08/15/2009
So you think just the rich who can afford it should be allowed to have vices.

The poor due to their circumstances should be forced to live by the rules of the elite.

Where is your mavericky, free to choose, live free of government sayso NOW?

Don't you people ever think?
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04:15 PM on 08/15/2009
Without cigarettes and alcohol, the poor would (1) be richer, and (2) live longer and require less medical care. I am poor but I pay the same for gasoline as the rich. My poverty is not an excuse for smoking my lungs away and expecting you to pay for it. My car has carried me 410,000 miles---and it doesn't clunk.
08:29 AM on 08/16/2009
How soon we forget. Up until th 1970s smoking was considered an safe way relax after a hard day at work or dealing with lifes downs.

Doctors smoked. In fact, many still do. Just pass by any hospital or medical facility and see how many staff members are still puffing away. Secondaly, it's now accepted that nicotine is just as addictive as any narcotic.

While I quit smoking over 20 years ago, I still wonder if at some point it will come back to haunt me. Should I be denied care because I enjoyed a passtime promoted by my doctor?
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01:56 PM on 08/16/2009
Yes.
11:51 AM on 08/15/2009
This is no longer about a healthcare payer system, this is about Republican against the Democrats, The north against the south,
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socalgal38
04:34 PM on 08/15/2009
Keep thinking that way.

It's not about politics it's about the insurance company keeping their loot. Their plan has always been the same as all those elites. Divide and conquer. Keep the Repubs and Dems fighting while we rake in the profits.

How well is it working? Read the HR3200 and you will see just how well it is working.