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10 Reasons to Oppose the War in Libya

Posted: 06/21/11 03:54 PM ET

1. It is unconstitutional. Article 1, Section 8 of the United States Constitution gives Congress the war power. The president has made it clear he believes he does not need Congressional consent to conduct this war. If Congress does not challenge this war, there will be more wars to follow.

2. It is illegal. The War Powers Resolution was passed over a presidential veto to allow the president latitude to respond when there is an imminent threat to the U.S. while retaining the constitutional duty of Congress. Even the President's own top legal advisers at the Pentagon and Department of Justice determined the War Powers Resolution applies to the war in Libya.

3. Americans don't want it. A CBS News poll dated June 8, 2011 found that "six in 10 Americans do not think that the United States should be involved in the conflict within that country. Just 30% of Americans think the United States is doing the right thing by taking part in the current military conflict in Libya now. A majority of Republicans, Democrats, and independents alike think the U.S. should not be involved in Libya."

4. Distraction. The flailing economy demands the full attention of Congress and the president. The American people have little patience for less, especially for a war of choice.

5. Cost. The U.S. has spent $750 million so far for a war locked in stalemate. It was supposed to be a quick -- and therefore relatively inexpensive -- job. Iraq was too.

6. We are paying for NATO's war. According to the most recent data available, until May 5, the U.S. provided 93% of the cruise missiles, 66% of the personnel, 50% of the ships and 50% of the planes in the war. The administration has claimed the U.S. share of the burden has decreased and the U.S. role is ostensibly "non-kinetic" with little risk to Americans since the U.S. passed off the war to NATO in early April. However, since then, according to the New York Times, "American warplanes have struck at Libyan air defenses about 60 times, and remotely operated drones have fired missiles at Libyan forces about 30 times, according to military officials."

7. War to protect civilians is killing civilians. According to the Washington Post, a NATO "blast flattened a two-story house, killing two children and seven adults" on Sunday. This war was sold to Congress and the American people as a "humanitarian war" meant to protect Libyan civilians. U.S. participation is fueling a civil war. Civilians die in wars.

8. The U.N. Resolution that authorized limited military action did not allow for regime change. U.N. Security Council Resolution 1973 allows for a no-fly zone but does not allow for regime change, which has nevertheless become the stated goal of NATO member nations.

9. Allies weakening. Some governments are showing reticence to continue participation in the wake of the civilian deaths. Other participating governments are facing waning support at home.

10. Stalemate. We are fueling a civil war and stalemate. Both sides claim to be winning. Both are losing. We ought to be promoting a political solution, because there is no military solution.

 

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1. It is unconstitutional. Article 1, Section 8 of the United States Constitution gives Congress the war power. The president has made it clear he believes he does not need Congressional consent to ...
1. It is unconstitutional. Article 1, Section 8 of the United States Constitution gives Congress the war power. The president has made it clear he believes he does not need Congressional consent to ...
 
 
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03:24 AM on 06/26/2011
also: 1 million man civilian march through tripoli in support of qaddafi. schools and universities being hit in Tripoli by NATO bombs. Both Qaddafi and "rebel leaders" have said they are done fighting and ready to talk but a panel of non-governmental american neocons are pushing the complete removal of qaddafi as the only acceptable end. Obama doesnt even want to do this but Wall Street is just too powerful for him to control. This is goldmans sach war in libya make no doubt about it.
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becky bradshaw
"In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth
10:01 AM on 06/23/2011
1. the United States Constitution gives the President authority of commander in chief. Their is ample precedent for a President to conduct a limited military action.

2. It is illegal: Under even the most stringent interpretation of the War Powers Resolution, the President can conduct a campaign for 60 days + a 30 day extension.

3. Americans don't want it: Americans are very misinformed about the U.S. role in Libya. The U.S. is certainly fatigued with the cost of the Middle East campaign, but Libya is barely a blip on the overall picture. We have spent more in Yemen for example.

4. Distraction: if there was any truth to the point that the President and Congress are not solving the economic problems because of Libya, you would have a point. This is a weak argument.

5. Cost: $750 million: it sounds like a lot until put into context. This number, in fact, proves how limited the scope of the Libya action.

6. We are paying for NATO's war: the U.S. is a part of NATO, so NATO is not "3rd person", they are us. We have always had to bear most of the weight of NATO.

7, 8. Libya can protest to the U.N. There are mechanisms for this function.

9, 10. It will be over soon.
10:59 AM on 06/23/2011
Thank you Becky. According to the UN, there is more than 18,000 civilians killed by Gaddafi, and an estimated 30,000 killed. The money is a drop in the bucket compared to federal spending. It's like a morbidly obese man being criticized for ordering french fries with his triple bacon cheese burger. The American public is grossly misinformed about what Gaddafi is doing. i haven't spoken to anyone who is opposed to it once they know Gaddafi is shooting cluster bombs at children's hospitals.
12:50 PM on 06/23/2011
An you can independently verify this without using NATO countries or groups from NATO countries?

Didn't think so...
04:40 PM on 06/24/2011
Becky, like your mother said - too many of those funny smelling cigarettes can really confuse your thinking processes. What planet do you presently reside on?
07:25 AM on 06/23/2011
Why I love Kucinich in 5 paragraphs...
04:05 AM on 06/23/2011
Why is there a media blackout about the Italien FM's decision to halt bombings in Libya?

Also:

The most recent figures from Libya’s health ministry show 856 civilians have been killed in NATO air raids since they began in March. The figure could not be independently confirmed.
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carolm62
01:28 AM on 06/23/2011
For an excellent explanation as to why a "humanitarian war" is doomed to failure by its inherent illogic, check out this article by George Friedman of Stratfor Global Intelligence. The perspective is geopolitical, not ideological. http://www.stratfor.com/weekly/20110404-immaculate-intervention-wars-humanitarianism
06:10 PM on 06/22/2011
LIBYA (under its "brutal dictator"):

1.) Ranks #53 on the United Nations Index of Human Development.
2.) Literacy rate before Gaddafi: 10%; Literacy rate now: 90%.
3.) Under Gaddafi, undernourishment reduced to 2% (Compare this with U.S. figure)
4.) Under Gaddafi, homelessness wiped out (U.S homelessness: 2,000,000, any given night).
5.) Education free, at every level (including college) paid for by Libyan government.
6.) Free health care.
7.) Highest standard of living of all African countries.
8) Equal rights for women--highest example of respect for women in the Middle East.
9.) Land given away free to any Libyan who wants to farm.
10.) Under Gaddafi's oil-revenue-sharing program, every Libyan citizen gets $500 [DOLLARS] a month dumped into his or her bank account.

WE'VE BEEN DUPED AGAIN!! First it was, "weapons of mass destruction." Now it's, "brutal dictator." When will we EVER learn!
05:04 PM on 06/24/2011
You forgot to mention that its level of religious freedom is greater than in any Arab country.
04:24 PM on 06/25/2011
Yes, thanks for reminding. In addition, Gaddafi has extended a HUGE helping hand to the black African countries. At one time, African countries were paying Europe $500,000,000 a year to use Europe's satellite system for communcations. Gaddafi put up part of the money to free them of that yearly bill, and now they have purchased their own satellite system, running their own communications systems. That's just ONE reason Europe is highly pissed off at Gaddafi. And, unless NATO decides to bomb Algeria next, Africa's first satellite, built from the ground up, and inspired by Gaddafi, will be completed in 2014, I think. I invite people who want to learn the REAL DEAL, in detail, to visit mathaba.net. As shocking as it might seem [sarcasm intended], we all have been lied to--AGAIN! And our tax dollars are going to SUPPORT these lies. Is anybody TIRED of this!!?? I mean, DAMN!
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04:54 PM on 06/22/2011
Dennis Kucinich works with Ron Paul
Ron Paul works with Dennis Kucinich

... Why would it stop after 2012 ...
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carolm62
04:52 PM on 06/22/2011
Amen, Rep Kucinich!

Ron Paul/Dennis Kucinich 2012
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timbohp
Ignorance is Far More Expensive than Education
03:24 PM on 06/22/2011
Dennis, PLEASE run for President!
01:17 PM on 06/22/2011
This is really a European war with France leading the pack. However, US has certain capabilities that other Nato members don't have, such as long-range guided land-attack cruise missiles, BGM-109 Tomahawk that US only sells in limited numbers to UK and it was crucial for taking out Libyan SA-5 long range air defence in the early days of the war. That's why US provided 93% of the cruise missiles. US is also best equipped for missions designed to suppress air-defences, and clear out remaining Libyan SA-2 systems. Since SA-2 is mobile and Qaddafi hid them away, US air crafts are necessary to continue monitoring Libyan air space for these buggers.

Nato has been our partner in Afghanistan since the start, and for that matter, if they need US capabilities to reduce risk to their air crafts, I think, it's our responcibilty to provide it.
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12:55 PM on 06/22/2011
While "technically" this 'war' is illegal and unconstitutional, it is no more so than what was waged in Iraq or in Afghanistan and what we supported with verbiage in Egypt and Tunisia. The growth in the presidency has come because of the commander-in-chief powers and what Congress is willing to "let go by the board" because it has the appearance of patriotism and high-flying nationalism. Think also that Obama was perhaps offered only a little, too little, and too late in the beginning if the rebels were to get the impression that they had the United States as well as most of Europe on their side. There were a few weeks of sizing-up the rebels...who were they, terrorists or democrats, and in-between. The time to have been staying out of the game should have included words, from the lips of our Secretary of State and from our President. We've offered encouragement before but that really didn't help the Hungarians, Czechs, Egyptians,.... We aren't the beacon we think we are.
12:51 PM on 06/22/2011
The best reason: We ain't got no friggin' money. And wars cost a lot.
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12:26 PM on 06/22/2011
Those are some interesting points. However, opposing the war because of the lack of congressional approval isn't a very compelling argument when you consider the catastrophes that are the two congressionally approved wars.

A much better argument can and should be made on purely pragmatic and moral grounds.
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carolm62
04:55 PM on 06/22/2011
He isn't arguing that congressional approval means a war is a necessary war. He is arguing that congressional approval is required under the constitution.
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hodz
12:22 PM on 06/22/2011
The West has definitely lost the moral ground in the Libyan war. It is time to stop NATO from supporting the terrorists in the skin of 'rebels'. http://www.counterpunch.org/patrick06202011.html
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hodz
12:12 PM on 06/22/2011
This is an illegal war and the world is fully aware of the atrocities committed by NATO. The leaders of the West who started this war must be held responsible for the war crimes. http://www.counterpunch.org/zadeh06172011.html