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Drones Direct Hit Upon Rule Of Law

Posted: 08/17/11 11:27 AM ET

The Obama Administration continues to use unmanned drones as a tool of war - a tool that according The New York Times, the Administration claims has killed 600 militants in Pakistan and no civilians since May 2010. But the math doesn't add up. Nor does the policy.

Think of the use of drone air strikes as summary executions, extra-judicial killings justified by faceless bureaucrats using who-knows-what "intelligence," with no oversight whatsoever and you get the idea that we have slipped into spooky new world where joystick gods manipulating robots deal death from the skies and then go home and hug their children. Everything America was once said to stand for: the rule of law, the Constitution and the Bill of Rights is in danger of becoming collateral damage as our fearful leaders continue to kill suspects and innocent alike, mindlessly unaware that the hellfire we are sowing will surely be reaped by Americans in the future. The proliferation of drone technology and its inevitable extension to civilian law enforcement is a leap into the arms of Big Brother.

The Bureau of Investigative Journalism recently estimated that at least 2,292 people have been killed by U.S. drone strikes in Pakistan since 2004. The Bureau determined that of that number, over 350 are civilians. A July 2009 Brookings Institution report stated ten civilians die for every one suspected militant from U.S. drone strikes. Yet another study by the New American Foundation concluded that out of 114 drone attacks in Pakistan, at least 32% of those killed by the strikes were civilians.

President Obama has greatly expanded the use of drones over the past several years, authorizing more drone strikes during his first fifteen months in office than President Bush did during the entirety of his eight years in office. In addition to the use of drones in Pakistan, the Administration has authorized strikes in Yemen and Somalia. The increasing reliance on drones and the lack of recourse for the families of innocent civilians that are killed by such strikes demonstrate the impunity with which the U.S. uses this technology.

Drone attacks undermine our moral standing in the world. They foment anger and resentment toward the United States. We have spent years in Afghanistan and Iraq under the guise of nurturing democracy and the rule of law while at the same time, our use of unmanned drones severely undermines the rule of law.

Challenging the legality of drone strikes in Pakistan and calling to light their indiscriminate nature is vital to prevent a dangerous precedent from being set that would allow international law and the laws of war to be stretched to justify strikes elsewhere. The legal justification for their use in Pakistan can and will be used to justify their use in other countries. Under this legal framework, the battlefield could be stretched to include anywhere in the world. Anywhere.

 

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02:14 PM on 08/19/2011
An excellent post. The problem, however, will not be solved by simply writing an article on the issue. Given your position, it is about time to raise your voice in the congress. Drone strikes are brutal tools with heavy loss of civilian life.
12:59 PM on 08/19/2011
The "Rise of the Machines". The pilot of a drone flying over Afganistan actually sits at a console in Las Vegas, gets in his car after his shift is over and goes home to his wife and kids for evening supper. Some reports, however, indicate they are having the same combat stress factors as those in actual combat, even though they are thousands of miles away from the explosion and the only thing they ever had their finger on was a joystick.
03:20 PM on 08/19/2011
Isn't it amazing? Like a video game except that those killed are humans like you and me and many of them are innocent victims.
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02:30 AM on 08/19/2011
The collateral damage is not going to happen, it has already happened and our only hope is to
salvage what is left.
Semper Fi
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06:13 PM on 09/02/2011
What makes you think that there is anything to salvage, and if there is something what do you think it is? Certainly no pride.

These wars apart from being against the wishes of the world have lasted longer than WWI and WWII combined.
08:12 PM on 08/18/2011
Thank you Congressman Kucinich for saying what none of your colleages have the temerity to say .. crying shame there is only 1 of you.
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04:05 PM on 08/18/2011
Now we are building multi-million $ drones that travel at 11,000 mph. What are we building them for and why are we launching them into the Pacific Ocean?
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11:44 AM on 08/18/2011
Majority of drone strikes occur in the area whcih are Pakistani only on the map.
Waziristan is de-facto independent area controlled by various warlords.
It is known as Islamic Emirate of Waziristan.
Therefore, no violation of Pakistani sovereignty occurs.

Pakistani rulers, both civilian and military play a hazardous double-game. They provide intel to Americans while playing up anti-American and anti-infidel card for the Muslim "street."
10:32 AM on 08/18/2011
These people hate us because we are a Christian nation and because we live in a fantasy land compared to the rest of the world.
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12:17 AM on 08/19/2011
These people hate us becuase we're not a fundamentalist Muslim nation.
And becuase we 're the only thing which stands between them and their devolutionary Caliphates.
11:38 AM on 08/22/2011
Amen.......
09:59 AM on 08/18/2011
Not only that but your face is now scanned into the FBI database at Langley. Here in Colorado we have to wait two weeks for our drivers licenses to come because our fingerprints and our faces must be filed away. Facial recognition software from the camera on a drone can make this even more frightening. You could be killed, from the sky, without anyone ever knowing how or why
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12:10 PM on 08/18/2011
"Here in Colorado we have to wait two weeks for our drivers licenses to come because our fingerprin­ts and our faces must be filed away"

Sigh... the instant text message generation.
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09:44 AM on 08/18/2011
Thank You Dennis.

All one has to do is comtemplate what Japan, Germany and Iraq reaped after the end of WWI and first Gulf War

The bully position of the USA Foreign Policy is attrocious and very bad Karma
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11:45 AM on 08/18/2011
Bully? What are you, in a kindergarten?
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Bill Duckworth
It is a DOOZY
06:19 PM on 08/18/2011
I would not say the Constitution is kindergarten. The republicans and democrats have yet to figure it out in 276 years.

It is simply as boolean logic thought A and B, A or B and A union B. You just have to be able to read the Rule of Law.

Noting allows USA to Drone or start Unprovoked Wars
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Bill Duckworth
It is a DOOZY
12:06 PM on 08/20/2011
"You pass the mineral rights on to your descendant­s.
And you can't take your Holly Book or a copy of Village Voice with you either.”

Estate Taxes were created by my Granddad to keep Wealth from being passes on to those who did not earn it and redistribute the Wealth so new Opportunity and Technology can be created. The VOID we have today

The Spirit of the Book is what you become from the WORD. The Teaching of Christ. No need to take the book with you, once you become Righteous and the Spirit of GOD. But you do have free will to choose FLESH which dies with the body or become Spirit and the Energy and Light of GOD, which is exactly what you become on Resurrection, Samhadi, and Nirvanna
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09:32 AM on 08/18/2011
Sadly, drones are the future of warfare, because they provide a technologically advanced country with the means to attack people who are ostensibly their enemies, without risking the lives of the technologically advanced country.
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11:46 AM on 08/18/2011
"they provide a technologi­cally advanced country with the means to attack people who are ostensibly their enemies,without risking the lives of the technologi­cally advanced country. "

Sounds good. Obviously, you'd prefer if we had to risk the lives of our men and women on the battlefield.
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09:16 AM on 08/18/2011
The Germans called their unmanned drones "Vengence" weapons. The V1 and much bigger V2 rockets were fired willy-nilly at britain toward the end of the war, just to kill people. Just for the sheer hell of it.

Interesting to see that the idea lives on in the "global war on terror"
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Bill Duckworth
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10:15 AM on 08/18/2011
You missed the USA's fire bombs and 2 atomic bombs killing Japanese Civillians because we wanted to end the War quicker. A price for USA that will live in infamy. The use of Thermal Nuclear War not seen by any other country but the USA against Mankind

Reverend Write and OBL were right about this legacy. GDA
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11:49 AM on 08/18/2011
There's nothing "willy nilly" about the drones. Their attacks have eliminated hundreds of Jihadist militant leaders in precise attacks.

Only people who lob missiles "willy-nilly" at the civilians are Palestinains from Gaza.
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05:09 AM on 08/19/2011
Or the Israelis who drop 10,o00lb bombs on markets in Gaza, or destroy schools and hospitals and mosques with white phospherous and high explosives, no matter who is inside.

BY the way drone attacks may have eliminted hundreds of militant leaders (and THOUSANDS of civilians) but what int he world makes you think the USA has a right to say who or what leadership they have in afghanistan. Its not our country, its theirs. WE are the invader. We are the bad guy.
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09:09 AM on 08/18/2011
"Under this legal framework, the battlefield could be stretched to include anywhere in the world. Anywhere. "

But lets be clear, not anywhere WHITE people live.

The global war on terror - as a reaction to the mass murders of 911 have now taken a toll of at least a million deaths worldwide (the British medical Journal the Lancet estimated over 1 million excess deaths due to the invasion of Iraq alone). The wars on Iraqis and afghans had as their respective justifications the existence of Weapons of Mass destruction in the first instance, which proved to be a lie, and the capture of Osama Bin Laden in the second - which has been done.

What further justification can there be to continue adding to this prodigeous body count?

Shall we kill everyone who does not love the US? By killing them will they love us more?

The people defending their homesteads in distant kandahar - are they terrorists? After all, it is we who are bombing them in their country, not the other way around.

There being no victory condition, no planned exit strategy, no definition of who exactly the enemy is, where they are or what their agenda might be it seems to me that the global war on terror is just a liscense for the US to kill anyone anywhere for any reason forever.
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Bill Duckworth
It is a DOOZY
10:20 AM on 08/18/2011
You are mentioning the MENTALITY of Cheney, Rumsfeld, Wineberger and their quire boy GWB dating back to Richard Nixon Watergate, and Iran Contra by Operation 40.

The have distorted our loss to Vietname as they will in Iraq and Afghanistan. 10 years for the worlds super power to be unsuccessful at defeating a handful of terrorist with machine guns and a few chemicals
darcy
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09:02 AM on 08/18/2011
Mr. Kucinich, if you will run for president as an independent, I will work tirelessly for you. I've lost all hope that most democrats will do what's right for the country.
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Bill Duckworth
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10:07 AM on 08/18/2011
Both parties are working for the same Stock Traders and against the workers of America.

Just last week more steps were taken to help Wall Street while Main Street and the Public suffer for a long time.

If that does not explain that the 2 party system is evil, nothing will. Privatiztion of Profit and Nationalization of Debt. Taxing the Worker for all the Debt while freeing the rich from taxes.

Allowing the Expiration of the Bush Tax Cuts would have been so simple by simply letting it die without a debate or discussion. Creating the equal taxation of Bill Clinton once again.

Insead, more tax cuts to corporations and stock traders LOWERING REVENUE and RAISING DEBT for the work to pay.

I will not vote for the 2 party system either. Paul or Kucinich or write them in
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10:30 AM on 08/18/2011
Writing them in, very good idea! darcy
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10:20 AM on 08/18/2011
Paul and Kucinich in a co-president non-2-party systems.
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01:38 PM on 08/18/2011
Bill advocates Roman political system of two-consuls ... nice!

Why not. U.S. already has the Senate, comitias, Pax Americana and whole bunch of quasi- Roman buildings and coliseums.
Why not the two- consul system.
Hey, as long as "comitia centuriata" elects the two, I am game.
08:35 AM on 08/18/2011
Thanks Dennis for standing up to the warmongering thugs in this administration. There are too many democrats accepting policies that are as bad or worse than those carried out by the Bush administration.
08:14 AM on 08/18/2011
Thank you Dennis.

What the U.S. is doing the world over is shameful.

U.S. citizens will pay the price for our corrupt ineffectual government, Pentagon, and incompetent MIC brass.
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09:10 AM on 08/18/2011
They are paying it right now