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I went to the prison at Guantanamo Bay on June 16 with a small bi-partisan group of House members. It was my third trip, and I came away thinking that those Congressional visits may not be helpful in generating support for closing the facility. (That conclusion, by the way, has nothing to do with the true fact that I fell on a step and fractured my foot while at the facility.) The problem is that a one day guided tour can easily leave the wrong impression.

What one sees at Guantanamo is what appears at first blush to be simply an efficiently managed prison, the mission of which as described by the congenial and impressive Rear Admiral David Thomas, Commander of Joint Task Force-GTMO, is the "safe, transparent, legal and humane treatment of detainees." He answered all our questions, fed us lunch, and took us on a tour of the facility. This man is clearly a strong and popular leader who is doing his job and doing it well.

Admiral Thomas took us on the grand tour. One of the must-sees is Camp 4 where prisoners live in barrack-style units, 5 to a unit (though built to accommodate 10) who are "free" to move in and out of an outdoor yard 20 hours per day. Camp 5 and 6 are medium and maximum (not counting the high value detainees) and visitors are shown the small individual cells and are told that these prisoners are given up to 4 hours per day out in the yard with other prisoners. Camps 4, 5, 6 are comfortably air-conditioned.

There is barely a dissonant note, unless of course you remind yourself of the 229 detainees currently held at Guantanamo none has been convicted of anything. And for the vast majority, no charges. None. No trials. No due process. NOTHING.

This is hard to remember as you take the tour and see men (Muslim men) in prison garb in a prison setting. It's especially challenging when the group of more than a dozen Camp 4 prisoners who are on a "Rec Strike" -- they refuse to come inside from the yard -- yell obscenities at the tourists as we pass by. It's much easier to think of them as "bad guys", which some of them most probably are, than possibly innocent men that were arrested after a sizable bounty was paid to the person that fingered them in Afghanistan.

Ask a few more questions, and other troubling facts come to light. There was another suicide two weeks ago, this time in Camp 3. No details. Still under investigation. Guards are supposed to check every three minutes on prisoners in Camps 5, 6, and every one minute in Camp 3 where 9 prisoners are in solitary confinement. Those detainees are described as the real troublemakers at Gitmo, the ones that disrupt the order of the prison. It was here, in defiance of the regulations, that the suicide took place.

In response to another of my long list of questions, provided to me by a habeas corpus lawyer friend of mine, Gary Isaac, we learn that 29 prisoners are hunger strikers, and 26 of those are being force fed -- 3 of that group, "for years." Prisoners are considered to be on a hunger strike if they eat less than 1/3 of a meal for nine meals in a row. The International Committee of the Red Cross, representatives of which visit the prisoners every three months, opposes force-feeding at the stage at which it begins at Guantanamo.

Admiral Thomas, to his credit, asked to be fed through a tube down his nose, for a week, to assure himself that the procedure met the "humane" standard. He pointed out that his father, who recently died of Alzheimer's, was fed that way for a long time. I asked to see the chair in which the detainees are restrained while being fed, (Thomas rejected the term "force fed") and it looked less than benign to me. Thomas said he was not about to let someone die of starvation. Remember now: not convicted of ANYTHING. Apparently, regardless of which camp they are in, many prisoners are not happy campers. Rec strikes; hunger strikes; suicide.

Decisions about placement of prisoners are made entirely based on their level of compliance within the facility. It has nothing to do with alleged terrorist activities or crimes, since no one -- you got it -- no one has been convicted of anything. It is easy to think that prisoners in Camp 5 or 6 are a greater danger to the United States of America because of their stricter level of confinement. This has nothing to do with it. A prisoner who is non-compliant, perhaps assaulting a guard, is placed in a higher security Camp. I get this. But what it means is that this place where people are held without charges (don't forget), incarceration takes on a life of its own.

Then there are the Uyghur's, members of an oppressed Muslim minority group living in Western China, an area they call East Turkestan. The U.S. government has detained 22 Uyghur's at Guantanamo. On August 24, 2005, the Washington Post reported that 15 of them were determined to be "No longer enemy combatants" but were still incarcerated and still shackled to the floor. As of June 22, 2009, thirteen Uyghur men remain incarcerated. Two years ago, an Administrative Review Board declared all but one to be "approved for release." According to the Washington Post, the Pentagon had previously determined, reportedly as early as 2003, that the Uyghur's could be released. That would be six years ago!

I saw the Uyghur compound from the outside. Surrounded by rolls of barbed wire and fences, the Uyghur's are "free" to move about an area the floor space of what looked like an average Chicago school playground. An added attraction that I hadn't perceived, according to a young and well-meaning soldier, was "the beautiful ocean view." I'm not kidding.

I went to Gitmo the first time in the summer of 2003. Most of the prisoners were still in open air cages -- literally. They looked like a larger version of something you would put your dog in. The only amenity was a tarp over the top to protect against overhead sun and rain. Many prisoners had been there since early 2002 when the prison first opened. Major General Geoffrey Miller was the commander at the time. In a sprightly, upbeat manner, he explained that everyone there was a "Bad Guy". "How do you know?" I asked. "Because," he said, "we have foolproof screening process in Afghanistan," never mentioning the bounties that were paid for them. Donald Rumsfeld called them "the worst of the worst."

It is now well known that prisoner abuse at Guantanamo occurred under Miller's watch, though he showed us carpeted interrogation rooms with 2-way mirrors where prisoners were offered snacks for information. Miller, having done such a swell job, was transferred to Iraq where he made recommendations for improving intelligence-gathering at Abu Ghraib. Everyone knows how that turned out. Miller ordered the arrest of James Yee, the Army Captain who served as a chaplain for Muslims prisoners at Gitmo. Yee was part of the entourage that showed me around in 2003. Miller accused Yee of stealing classified documents and smuggling them out of the prison -- charges that were later dropped, and today there is no Muslim Chaplain at Guantanamo. Geoffrey Miller is now retired -- without consequences.

I came limping back to Washington on my fractured ankle more convinced than ever that Guantanamo must be closed. As long as it isn't, it remains a stain on the reputation of our country. President Obama understands this. Closing Guantanamo was one of his very first decisions. The President has created a task force that is making recommendations about what to do with each and every prisoner individually. We then need to apply our well-tested Constitution, rule of law, due process -- our system of justice that is the envy of the world -- to these prisoners. Some of them likely committed terrorist acts. Others may have been detained by mistake. We need to know and to act with all the legal and moral integrity our country aspires to. I look forward to the task force report.

The Congress voted to require a detailed plan from the President before any funds will be appropriated to close Gitmo. The demagogues are raging every day about not allowing terrorists to set foot in the United States for any purpose. I haven't recommended to my colleagues that they visit the prison at Guantanamo Bay. It's just too easy to feel comfortable there, riding the boat through beautiful waters from the leeward to the windward side of the U.S. base, and taking in the beautiful ocean view seen from the prison where no one has been convicted of anything.

I went to the prison at Guantanamo Bay on June 16 with a small bi-partisan group of House members. It was my third trip, and I came away thinking that those Congressional visits may not be helpful in...
I went to the prison at Guantanamo Bay on June 16 with a small bi-partisan group of House members. It was my third trip, and I came away thinking that those Congressional visits may not be helpful in...
 
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- Nosepuede I'm a Fan of Nosepuede 8 fans permalink

Perhaps you have not recommended a visit because your visits appear to in no way have influenced your opinion. You provide no concrete reasons to close the prison nor do you offer any viable alternative.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:51 PM on 06/26/2009
- jmpurser I'm a Fan of jmpurser 202 fans permalink

OF COURSE we need to close Guantanamo! It's America's "native" Abu Ghraib and gulag all rolled into one.

We elected a Democratic President and a whole raft of Democratic congressmen in 2008 and one of their specific missions was to close that infested boil on America's name. It still hasn't happened.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:58 AM on 06/26/2009
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So you guys think potential terrorists caught on the battlefield should be locked up at a prison near you?
think about it for a second.. lot of prison gangs in the US and those gangs can reach out and touch US citizens anytime they want to.. ever watch lockup? don't you bleeding heart progressives? liberals think that its a high possibility that these terror suspects would have the same ability to continue in their efforts to kill American people? I've seen these terrorists handiwork up close and it would be bad for America and for Obama if one of these terrorists or man-made disasters wound up in a US prison conspiring to kill Americans.These people should tried in court an dteh ones that cant be tried have to be released in a DIFFERENT country other than the US. Us citizens shouldn't be put at risk because of our governments decision to close GITMO

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:34 AM on 06/26/2009

So you are saying the USA has been keeping prisoners without due process, habeas corpus etc. under the vague and unproven assumption they are "terrorists" and at the same time you are to cowardish to have them on your very own grounds ??? How does that go along with "Home of the Braves" ???

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:45 AM on 06/26/2009
- LeeCalif I'm a Fan of LeeCalif 83 fans permalink

Many of these inmates were sold by people who were just trying to make American dollars - NOT on a battlefield.

And yes, think about those prison gangs,you alarmist. Think about San Quentin in the middle of San Francisco. Have we heard about death and mayhem there?? NO, because American prisons are
the most secure prisons that exist. And we are not even talking about the SUPER MAX Prisons.
Those are nearly airtight. So stop being an alarmist. That's what got us into this mess to begin with.
Non-thinking, go-along-with-George-Bush alarmists.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:28 AM on 06/26/2009
- jmpurser I'm a Fan of jmpurser 202 fans permalink

Most of us aren't so great a coward as to be afraid of prisoners.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:59 AM on 06/26/2009
- Gidster I'm a Fan of Gidster 223 fans permalink
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Who are they going to reach out too? Do you believe as Cheney did that there are hundreds of terrorist sleeper cells in America? Ohnoes!! a non English speaking terrorist is put in a super max prison in the heart land....Just where he wants to be?!?!?!? Get real!

Maybe they did not hate the US before, but after 7 years of unjust imprisonment and torture, even the most mild of men would hate us now.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:01 PM on 06/26/2009
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yes, as people who didnt know much of the uS and its freedoms, I am sure afet this experience they will hate everythign about us, adn all it takes is one agitator in the jail, and aftr 7 years where you have to stick together to survive, you have a like minded bunch.
its a disaster that was made by the US govt.
I lived in Chicago legally for 20 years, I love this town and its people. Some one made false accusationsabout me, and I was dragged off to jail,anddeported. Now that there is absolutely no proof of any antiamerican activity on my part, I am home on a visa, but I have been told not to engage infree speech...unless tehy decide to cancel it.
havinglivedin UKand USA democracies, I can say that I dont hate either country - but I am highly unimpressed with the Govt of both, who caused me so much harm, when i have done nothing but live in a lawabiding fashion,and pay taxes. But do some harm? why would i bother, I have to rebuild my life...here in Chicago.
but doubtless, they will continue to follwo me around and shine a flash light up my arr
again at some point. All paid for with my 20 years of tax dollars. good ole democracy, and homeland security...never felt so safe runnign thru airport with my shoes in my hand!
http://www.josieg6.wordpress.com

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:29 PM on 07/13/2009
- LeeCalif I'm a Fan of LeeCalif 83 fans permalink

First, the headline introducing this article: Rep. Jan Schakowsky: A Beautiful Ocean View: My Trip to Guantanamo

Sounded like Rumsfeld wrote it. If you didn't write this, Rep. Schakowsky, you should definitely demand an apology from HuffPo for such a trite headline for a deadly serious matter.

I am gratified you repeat "And for the vast majority, no charges. None. No trials. No due process. NOTHING. " Americans seem to forget this.
Using the 'bad guys' term is so juvenile. Can't we get past it and try to be more adult. Also, it is not known that most or even more than a few will be found guilty of crimes, more likely, they will be driven insane due to isolation and torture.

"Admiral Thomas, to his credit, asked to be fed through a tube down his nose, for a week, to assure himself that the procedure met the "humane" standard."
- the prisoners complaints have been the tubes were RAMMED thru their nostrils with bile and blood from the previously force fed inmate. You were incredibly misleading on this, to your shame.

" many prisoners are not happy campers. Rec strikes; hunger strikes; suicide. "

Seriously, who are you addressing with this off hand tone?
You can NEVER satisfy a fearful/hateful person, so don't stoop to their level.

I hope your ankle is mending with adequate medical care.

Stay American.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:13 AM on 06/26/2009
- LeeCalif I'm a Fan of LeeCalif 83 fans permalink

And American to me is due process and never torture or force feeding.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:21 AM on 06/26/2009
- bbrecht I'm a Fan of bbrecht 20 fans permalink
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Yes! How can we claim to bring democracy without due process?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:13 AM on 06/26/2009

This is a precedent! Now that it has been established, that we will allow our government, to hold non-citizens indefinitely without even filing charges, how long will it be, before they openly hold American citizens, indefinitely, without filing charges? Didn't we just replace the President? What happened to the change that we voted for? We already have millions of our people, in prison. Some have committed serious crimes but many arrestees, are only charged with possession, of a certain illegal substance. Nearly a million people a year are arrested on marijuana charges. It is unknown how many were actually in possession of the pot, before their encounter with the police. Is the torture still going on? Is the waterboarding more successful under Obama? Are the confessions coming? That's just for non-citizens? Right?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:46 PM on 06/25/2009
- jimrs6 I'm a Fan of jimrs6 12 fans permalink

How many prisoners are you prepared to relocate into your district?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:19 PM on 06/25/2009
- LeeCalif I'm a Fan of LeeCalif 83 fans permalink

Troll Dialogue aimed at shutting down discourse and all thought processes.

Glug glug. Have more koolaid.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:53 AM on 06/26/2009
- Gidster I'm a Fan of Gidster 223 fans permalink
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In Indiana we have a state and a federal super max prison. After they are convicted, the Federal prison is available.

That's where McVeigh was kept, how many hundreds of people did he kill after he went to prison???? Yeah, that's what I thought.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:04 PM on 06/26/2009
- LeeCalif I'm a Fan of LeeCalif 83 fans permalink

Well said !!!!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:57 PM on 06/26/2009
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Speaking of Guantánamo Bay when are we planning to return it to Cuba the lease been up since 2003!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:43 PM on 06/25/2009
- underoath I'm a Fan of underoath 267 fans permalink
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Close the torture museum down ,stop talking about it and get it done.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:27 PM on 06/25/2009
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During the bombing of London in WWii, and subsequent battles, thousands of German airmen were captured after parachuting from their crippled airplanes. They were interned for years in prison camps until the end of hostilities, never having the benefit of a trial. That's how it works. Now in Gitmo, our country houses prisoners of war, except they're not really prisoners in the sense of Geneva Accords. Common sense would indicate these guys are there for their divining death for themselves in acts of violence against innocents of the West -- their own version of warfare, primarily against unsuspecting civilian men, women & children merely living a normal life.

The animals in Gitmo could care less about a trial. Knowing to themselves the fact their presence stirs political discord in the USA delights them as it fulfills their agenda to disrupt American accord. They're well aware useful idiots will champion some nonsense about following American "law" in providing "justice" to them. They know what the useful idiots do not, that they have no legal standing anywhere within American law, nowhere in the Geneva Accords, and absolutely no standing within World processes....they are rogues.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:00 PM on 06/25/2009
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By definition a prisoner of war did not need a trial since he or she would be liberated at the end of hostility.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:48 PM on 06/25/2009
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"During the bombing of London in WWii, and subsequent battles, thousands of German airmen were captured after parachuting from their crippled airplanes. They were interned for years in prison camps until the end of hostilities, never having the benefit of a trial."

Q. How do you think those Germans reached my country?
A. They were BOMBING British cities.
Q. Were there civilians flying Luftwaffe Bombers?
A. No, they were members of the German Armed Forces.
Q. Do you really think a trial is required to identify the German speaking, Luftwaffe uniform wearing, parachute descending aircrew who fell out of the sky onto British Sovereign Territory?
A. No, they were P.O.W's, unlike the 'enemy combatants' of Bush's war on terror.

Honestly AirForceBlue, as a fellow former member of the armed forces, you must have read or been briefed on the Geneva Convention regarding P.O.W's? Or are you being deliberately disingenuous?

Itchy.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:58 PM on 06/25/2009
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Yes, Itchy, I'm well aware of the Geneva Convention accords. Accordingly, that is where my strong objections derive. Sorry to answer your challenge with a question, but exactly what qualifies the Gitmo detainees as POWs within the Geneva Convention definition? Nada.....zilch......nuthin' bro..........ain't any. So your argument is an apples and oranges thing.

In my comment you've responded to I used the term "rogue" to describe the animals we are dealing with. Their mindset is of the same as the mullahs in Iran who will now punish unmercessly the brave protestors of late............in Farsi, that means death, probably in some hideous manner to indicate the death is not martyrdom, therefore no entry to their "paradise."

The insanity of above is what we're dealing with Gitmo madmen, so they were put there to prevent their ability to kill innocents going about their daily peaceful lives. In wartime POWs are released at the end of hostilities. That end for madmen idealogues never stops until death intervenes for them. Release them from Gitmo, which is happening, and they'llcontinue to search for their entry to "paradise." Too bad too many will probably die with them who really would rather live.

Get real.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:14 PM on 06/26/2009
- warlover I'm a Fan of warlover 4 fans permalink

Winston Churchill once said " Nothing can be more abhorrant to democracy than to imprison a person or keep him in prison because he is unpopular. This is really the test of civilization.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:32 PM on 06/25/2009
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Yeah, killing innocents is unpopular conduct. Guess we gotta let 'em go.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:24 PM on 06/26/2009

"The ""animals?"" in Gitmo?"

Oh, are the innocent human beings being imprisoned there allowed to have pets?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:46 AM on 06/26/2009
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Gee, what an incredibly important contribution................not, you a......!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:26 PM on 06/26/2009
- Nanotyrnns I'm a Fan of Nanotyrnns 5 fans permalink

"you remind yourself of the 229 detainees currently held at Guantanamo none has been convicted of anything. And for the vast majority, no charges. None. No trials. No due process. NOTHING."

Their guilt, their innocence, their lack of due process -- all of that is irrelevant when the only consideration Democrats make is whether the Republicans will use the release of detainees to scare the bejesus out of their constituents in the midterms.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:52 PM on 06/25/2009
- BobLablah I'm a Fan of BobLablah 17 fans permalink
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Of course Gitmo is a model prison now. Closing it for symbolic reasons is lunacy.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:54 PM on 06/25/2009
- LeeCalif I'm a Fan of LeeCalif 83 fans permalink

WRONG !

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:13 AM on 06/26/2009

Uh...don't forget representative (not of me) - that we are still at war and since we are still at war, these are enemy combatants, prisoners of war if you will, and don't get any rights until the war is over. Then we can try them and set them free if necessary, but until then, we are at war (don't forget) and the rights you receive in war have NOTHING to do with the rights you receive after a war or as an American citizen. Why is that so hard for libs to understand? Oh, that's right, because you guys always blame America first and give our enemies the benefit of the doubt (don't forget).

So, I have NO sympathy, NOTHING, NADA for these terrorists. And I would do ANYTHING to see them locked up forever.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:49 PM on 06/25/2009
- TRYKER I'm a Fan of TRYKER 71 fans permalink

You need to read the article again. They were bought to fill the prison...haven't been proven to be guilty of anything.
Being wrongly imprisoned and tortured and abused for 6 years is cause for action against the US.
People don't lose their civil rights just because Geo Bush says they do.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:02 PM on 06/25/2009
- mamalisa38 I'm a Fan of mamalisa38 64 fans permalink

Uh, CommonSenseRules, don't you understand that some of these people are innocent? If this "war on terror" were to go on for the next 10 or 20 years should we keep these innocent people there that long? Have you no human decency?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:54 PM on 06/25/2009
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Oh, innocent...............OK, which ones?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:44 PM on 06/26/2009
- LeeCalif I'm a Fan of LeeCalif 83 fans permalink

Terrorist- commonsens
You'd be a bit more concerned with having your day in court if it was you locked up.

You are a terrorist to me until it's proven otherwise.
But actually you sound more like a PR guy I know.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:16 AM on 06/26/2009
- Gidster I'm a Fan of Gidster 223 fans permalink
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Agreed...

These are talking points not rational discussion.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:23 PM on 06/26/2009
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