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Spearing Sacred Cows

Posted: 10/15/11 03:16 PM ET

Earlier this week, I was on MSNBC's Up With Chris Hayes about jobs, the Occupy Wall Street movement and other issues. During the show I said I'm a fan of health and safety -- not regulations. I said that some regulations have created jobs, since the industries being watched have to comply with the rules. For example, technological requirements can spur engineering improvement, which means employing engineers.

Well, the right wing went crazy. People who aren't even from my congressional district called my office and blasted me over email and the Twitterverse. I had gored one of their sacred cows -- deregulation -- and they howled loudly.

So who's right? Have health and environmental rules cost America jobs, or not? I said no. Here's what I'm talking about:

Environmental Protection

Environmental spending creates jobs in engineering, manufacturing, construction, materials, operations and maintenance. Vehicle emissions standards directly sparked the development and application of a wide range of automotive technologies that are now found throughout the global automobile market. The vehicle emissions control industry employs approximately 65,000 Americans with domestic annual sales of $26 billion. The worldwide market for environmental goods and services is worth over $700 billion, a size comparable to the aerospace and pharmaceutical industries.

If you want to know more about the wrongheaded jobs versus environmental protections argument check out the report, "Regulatory Uncertainty: A Phony Explanation for our Jobs Problem" by EPI's Larry Mishel.

You know the situation: roughly 14 million Americans are out of work and 46.2 million live in poverty. The Republicans have held the House for almost 300 days but they've introduced no jobs bills. In fact, they shot down President Obama's jobs bill like skeet. What have Republicans done? They've pushed for even more de-regulation in the name of "creating jobs."

One last point:

Moody's economist Mark Zandi, an advisor to John McCain's presidential campaign, estimates the $61 billion in spending cuts proposed by the House Republicans will cost the economy 700,000 jobs by 2012. Wrongheaded policies.

Rep. Keith M. Ellison represents Minnesota's 5th Congressional District and Co-chairs the Congressional Progressive Caucus.

 

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Earlier this week, I was on MSNBC's Up With Chris Hayes about jobs, the Occupy Wall Street movement and other issues. During the show I said I'm a fan of health and safety -- not regulations. I said ...
Earlier this week, I was on MSNBC's Up With Chris Hayes about jobs, the Occupy Wall Street movement and other issues. During the show I said I'm a fan of health and safety -- not regulations. I said ...
 
 
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methodman
08:57 PM on 10/18/2011
The GOP isn't a sacred cow. It is a rabid skunk. I mean skunks only come out at night but a rabid one will be out at all hours during the day.
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CanadaStan
Cogito ergo spud, I think, therefore I yam
04:40 PM on 10/17/2011
We should have a regulation that everybody has to dig a hole in their backyard in the morning and fill it in in the afternoon.
We'll all be fartin' through silk in no time!
02:48 PM on 10/17/2011
Gee regulations make jobs for some people....Brilliant - and some of the people are the regulators of course - except that no matter how many we have we still have coal plants pouring sulfur and particle pollution out killing us. Great job Keith.

and how many jobs don't exist because small business are buried in paperwork and cannot hire more productive workers...??

Medicare is an example of massive paperwork, fraud and waste - and all of it is government...
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02:06 PM on 10/17/2011
Dear Rep. Ellison,
as always, you are correct!
I'm glad you are in a leadership position, and I love the Prog Caucus.
I still remember the disgraceful objections to your religion when you were elected and used the Koran (sp?) to be sworn in. You have added richness and capability to the House, and I'm glad you're there!
Jeff Drummond
01:32 PM on 10/17/2011
Keith: Certainly common sense should prevail where regulation is concerned. In fisheries there is little regulation and no common sense. What a waste of wealth. Industry is allowed to externalize billions of dollars in habitat and stock destruction. Fisheries is the best example to support your premise that good regulation can increase jobs. The way it works is looking at multiple balance sheets we make a call to increase wealth. Short term profiteers don't like to acknowledge the public balance sheet, and are often in fact quite offended to speak about public assets. In fisheries this is responsible for billions in waste. If we regulated properly decades ago, instead of instituting social programs disguised as conservation, the USA and the world which follows our policy, would be landing seafood in great tonnage. I'm a Republican, and I don't appreciate sloganeering and chanting, from either side of the isle. www.environmentalfisherman.com Make you point by pushing the MQS. You will win.
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DocJoseph
A bleeding heart will heal; a cold heart will not
11:42 AM on 10/17/2011
The transmogrification of government waste of taxpayer money into a concern about regulation was a brilliant strategy move by the Right. People are convinced that "regulations are bad" even when we have history showing us what unregulated businesses do.

Pollution? Sure. Excessive risk? Yep. Fraud? Of course.

And so businesses want to pollute, take risks with OPM (other people's money) and cheat. It's profitable.

Congratulations on being duped if you support deregulation. Have you already forgotten about the recession?
02:50 PM on 10/17/2011
some regulation is fine. but far too much of it is just over the top.
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DocJoseph
A bleeding heart will heal; a cold heart will not
04:24 PM on 10/17/2011
Absolutely! I agree with that without qualification. The problem is determining how much is enough and who should decide.

Perhaps the best way would be to have a review of every regulation and determine which ones are good rather than decrying all regulation.

What was it Obama said? "I know that America bears its share of responsibility for the mess that we all face. But I also know that we need not choose between a chaotic and unforgiving capitalism and an oppressive government-run economy."

Seems reasonable.
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Konnie
GOP = GOLDEN CALF OLD PARTY
09:43 AM on 10/17/2011
sorry to be 2 days late. but there is one truth everyone is dancing around - dare not be spoken - is:

Businesses will NOT do anything for the common good unless MANDATED to do so.

all companies unless founded by buddhist monks only care about making a profit, and if they
can throw their trash outside the building, and not have the expense of a trash pick up, then
that is what they will do. if they want to burn that pile and pollute the air because its a cheap
alternative, that's what they will do. AND ALWAYS HAVE DONE. And unless an environmental scientist comes along and shows them evidence of the condequences that they may or may not be aware exist, they may or may not say, gee that's too bad. but the company leaders can also say, don't care or i'm not going to change my ways - we don't want to reduce our profits to fix the problems. THERE MUST BE RULES AND REGULATIONS. OR WE BECOME SOMOLIA.
of course some rules and regulations are silly, over the top, regressive - so fix those - but don't throw the baby out with the bathwater. AND NEVER TRUST BUSINESSES TO POLICE THEMSELVES.
02:53 PM on 10/17/2011
right. silly companies trying to make a profit and hire people. we should just force em to hire and lose money - then (pick someone) will pick up the tab - oh thats right that would be US.

Regulations are fine to level the playing field and insure public safety - too bad some industries just pay off to get the regulations bent for them - coal power industry comes to mind....
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Robert Masters
To take my property is to take my means to live
08:37 AM on 10/17/2011
Mr. Ellison is unaware of the broken window fallacy. He of course has no idea what jobs would have been created by thinking innovative men and women had not the unthinking politicians and bureaucrats forced them to regulate rather than innovate.
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Sue-in-Jersey
Now I am in Pennsylvania. Hope they let me vote.
09:33 AM on 10/17/2011
Heck of a job of completely missing Ellison's point. "Regulate rather than innovate?" Excuse me, but demanding a company meet safety and labor standards LEADS to improvements and innovation. Without the development and implementation of better standards, many industries would still be spewing coal dust. And small children would still be dying from working twelve hour days and being caught in the machinery. This history teacher gives you a D Minus.
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Robert Masters
To take my property is to take my means to live
11:45 AM on 10/17/2011
As a history teacher you have no business grading economics. Also you seem to be doing poorly in history also. I suppose your are one of the union teachers from the state run schools? No wonder our kids score so poorly.
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Oceras
Tax High Incomes!
10:00 AM on 10/17/2011
And neither do you. No one ever does. It's not even anything that could be discovered. So the argument is worthless.
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Robert Masters
To take my property is to take my means to live
12:03 PM on 10/17/2011
His argument is that something happened due to regulation therefore regulation creates jobs. He ignores the fact that the business owner would have used his resources to do those things that he believed the market wanted. You know, acted as a free man? He would have been more innovative and Ellison wouldn't have control over his choices.
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Robert Frank
My last name is FRANK so thats what I am..
07:40 AM on 10/17/2011
lets take things a step further..if lower taxes solve every problem why not zero taxes? that would solve problems that aren't even here yet..lets create a military that has 50 million members and bases in every country on earth..that way the boogeyman cannot get us..lets let everybody have lots of guns so that everybody can defend themselves that way nobody will commit any more crimes because everyone will be armed...
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uniquindividual
I'm unique and so are you
02:17 AM on 10/17/2011
Without laws and regulations and the enforcement of those laws and regulations there is chaos/anarchy.

Promoting the general welfare requires that government regulate.

The level of stupidity of people who think that a state of anarchy is preferable to regulations and their enforcement is predictable, however, given the level of misinformation provided to them on hate radio and Faux news.
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MoreFreedom
08:24 AM on 10/17/2011
Government exists to protect our liberties (you know the phrase - life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness).

Government doesn't exist to "regulate" commerce - essentially getting between willing buyers and sellers and outlawing transactions that would otherwise occur, and charging taxes to pay for the regulator.

We give government a monopoly on the use of force, the others who use force are considered criminals or foreign enemies.

It seems there's a lot of liberals who believe government should tell people the "right" way to do things, and only what is permitted is legal. Like if the mirror in your bathroom is too high for someone in a wheelchair, then since you're not doing the right thing, you should be subject to a lawsuit (enriching a lawyer and someone who goes around looking for violators of "regulations").

Liberals ignore the most dangerous criminals of all - and that would be those in government. They don't prosecute each other, they set their own compensation (does Bell CA ring a bell?), they make laws from which they are exempt (insider trading, social security, speech laws, etc.) and the biggest killers of men are governments. Now US citizens can be detained or killed without a trial based on "secret" evidence.

The level of stupidity of people who think state control of everything is preferable to limited government is predictable given the level of misinformation provided to them by government, MSM and government schools.
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Sue-in-Jersey
Now I am in Pennsylvania. Hope they let me vote.
09:36 AM on 10/17/2011
Regulation protects our quality of life --you know the phrase? Life, liberty and pursuit of happiness? If you allow capitalists to pursue profit without concern for the life and liberty of others, you get CHINA -- where entire villages have died out of cancer.
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Oceras
Tax High Incomes!
10:17 AM on 10/17/2011
"Government exists to protect our liberties (you know the phrase - life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness)­. Government doesn't exist to "regulate" commerce"

Not to protect "our liberties", but 'our freedoms'. But as you know, the quote is from the Declaration of Independence and not from any document that has legal standing. What governs us is,

"We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America." (preamble to the Constitution)

Nowhere in the preamble is there a statement that our government is established to provide free rein to the people.

"The level of stupidity of people who think state control of everything is preferable to limited government is predictabl­e"
I would say that 'the level of stupidity of people who think there are liberals who think the state should control everything' is mind-boggling.
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Robert Masters
To take my property is to take my means to live
08:38 AM on 10/17/2011
Without regulations and enforcement we would have innovation. Those of you who are lethargic and fear change need government to maintain your order.
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Sue-in-Jersey
Now I am in Pennsylvania. Hope they let me vote.
09:38 AM on 10/17/2011
Nonsense. We'd have more human suffering at the hands of the MegaMonopolies than we currently have now. Please research Teddy Roosevelt. There is no greater threat to America than having all the power concentrated in the hands of the mighty few.
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Oceras
Tax High Incomes!
10:19 AM on 10/17/2011
There is absolutely no evidence that we do not now have innovation or that regulations stifle innovation. Show us the money!
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Richard Bartholomew
My micro-bio isn't empty.
02:11 AM on 10/17/2011
Data on applicants for licenses in a non-professional occupation reveal that the less educated, blacks, apprentices, and the less educated are more likely than others to fail written licensing examinations even though they do not appear to be less able than workers who are admitted. These results suggest that licensing can restrict the labor market opportunities of groups of workers whose alternatives are already limited, and that licensing has distributional as well as price and output effects.'
-- http://www.jstor.org/pss/145292
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Oceras
Tax High Incomes!
10:22 AM on 10/17/2011
Your argument is cockeyed. Any such data do not show that the reason for licensing is wrong. They show that the process of obtaining a license might be flawed. That can be fixed.
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Richard Bartholomew
My micro-bio isn't empty.
03:47 AM on 10/18/2011
First, it's not my argument—it's the author's, Stuart Dorsey's argument.

Second, I have nothing against certifications that don't prevent people from engaging in a particular activity. There are various certification programs around certifying that you have fulfilled the requirements set by the certifying body. However, you can still practice the trade or profession without such certification. Translators, for instance, can pass tests to become certified by the American Translators Association (http://www.atanet.org/certification/) or the Chartered Institute of Linguists (http://www.iol.org.uk/qualifications/trust.asp).

I have taken none of these tests and am certified by none of these organisations. Nonetheless, I am happily making a living as a translator. My customers are no less happy because I hold none of these certifications. However, to actively impede someone's attempts to practice a trade or profession when that person has committed no fraud or force against anyone else is simply unconscionable.
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Richard Bartholomew
My micro-bio isn't empty.
01:52 AM on 10/17/2011
'I said that some regulations have created jobs, since the industries being watched have to comply with the rules. For example, technological requirements can spur engineering improvement, which means employing engineers.'

'In principle it would be quite simple to waste the surplus labour of the world by building temples and pyramids, by digging holes and filling them up again, or even by producing vast quantities of goods and then setting fire to them.'
-- http://gutenberg.net.au/ebooks01/0100021.txt
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Fred Ross
business owner that creates jobs
01:51 AM on 10/17/2011
environmental regulations are great as long as it is a level playing field, which of course it is not, not even between california and other states, let alone America and China. Imposing higher environmental regulations on California manufacturing, just gave them an incentive to leave the state to continue to be competitive with other firms that do not have the same environmental regulations and costs. So, how do you get China to stop destroying their country? The best way is to STOP BUYING their products. We have no one to blame but ourself, when we support China's destruction of the environment by supporting them with our dollars.
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jmdziuban1
Aspiring ne'er do not-so-well
08:24 AM on 10/17/2011
Which is why environmental and labor clauses need to be included in trade agreements, which they currently are not.
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Oceras
Tax High Incomes!
10:25 AM on 10/17/2011
Any regulations that are specific to California are not federal regulations. They would be state regulations.
01:17 AM on 10/17/2011
The discussion of reducing or ending regulation is a very slippery slope. Many of these rules, particularly in the environmental discipline, have taken years to develop and promulgate. Congress supposedly provides due diligence at an appropriate step before promulgation of the rule. Peer review and science are usually and integral part of rule development which takes several years. Lawsuits by interested parties along the way can be responsible for the long time to produce a rule. I worked on one set of rules in conjunction with the EPA. From the time of determining the need for a rule to final promulgation was nearly 15 years. Upon promulgation the process of implementation takes more time.

Very interesting process.
12:59 AM on 10/17/2011
Your making sense so this obviously will increase the debt or is a threat to National security. What about the medical and funeral industries? They will suffer with all this safety talk.