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Rep. Luis Gutierrez

Rep. Luis Gutierrez

Posted: October 28, 2010 03:19 PM

One of the reasons we have not made progress in reforming our immigration system is that one side of the debate thinks of itself as the law and order side and frames those of us who have proposed comprehensive immigration reform as opposed to the rule of law. That shuts down the debate and makes it harder to arrive at a compromise, and it doesn't happen to be true, either. Already measuring the drapes for what they hope are committee chairmanships, some Republicans are standing by their policy of mass deportations, border militarization, and current law -- and current barriers to legal immigration -- as their prescription for "fixing" immigration. A few are throwing in additional punitive measures to rewrite the Constitution to deny citizenship to American children, make English "official," expand deportation, and do worse in an effort to sway voters.

I think many lawmakers and voters honestly think they are standing for the rule of law when they stand with House Republicans on immigration. But following the no compromise, "law and order" approach to immigration -- as we have done for the last two decades or more -- has yielded a lot less law and a lot less order. And because of the absolutism of their approach, we get gridlock. The type of bipartisan dialogue I participated in just a few years ago is unheard of today.

The question is not whether we should establish and enforce the rule of law, but how. We differ on what is the fastest, most efficient path to achieving these fundamental goals:

  1. Ending illegal immigration;
  2. Eliminating or greatly reducing the population of immigrants living and working in the U.S. illegally;
  3. Incentivizing legality while opposing amnesty; and
  4. An enforcement regime that holds employers and individuals accountable and that is not easy to evade.

The bill I wrote is the most direct, achievable path to the rule of law, secure borders, and eliminating illegal immigration. HR 4321 was introduced by Rep. Solomon Ortiz (D-TX), endorsed by the Congressional Hispanic Caucus, and co-sponsored by 103 Democrats in the House, but I can count on the fingers of one hand how many Republicans have inquired about it or asked me how we can work together to craft a compromise to address immigration reform. And I don't even need one finger to count how many Republicans have stepped forward to co-sponsor the bill.

Ending Illegal Immigration
We can end illegal immigration by making legal immigration a viable alternative. This way, immigrants come to the U.S. through a legal and orderly process, with a visa, a background check, health screening, and with our permission. There would not be an unlimited supply of visas, but visas for legal immigration would be vetted and assigned to individuals in a more efficient and equitable fashion than we have now. Many on the Republican side feel we already have a generous and equitable system, but I believe no one should be proud of our current legal immigration system.

Right now, we keep people waiting for visas -- sometimes for over twenty years -- and then wonder why some people choose to go around our system and not through it. We have made legal immigration extraordinarily difficult and expensive for those who want to live and raise their families in the U.S. and who qualify. And we have severely restricted who qualifies for legal immigration in the first place. We have made it next to impossible for low-skilled workers -- like many of those coming to the U.S. who are finding employment here despite our restrictive quota system -- to come legally. My proposal would make legal immigration available and process those who have already applied for legal immigration in a timely manner so that they can be reunited with family or start careers in the U.S. to help boost our economy.

One reason we have failed to update our immigration quotas for decades is because in almost every case, House Republicans oppose legal immigration or efforts to reform and modernize the visa process. This has prevented immigrants who are coming from doing so legally, within the rule of law, and fuels the black market. Under my plan, we would have an adjustable quota system that more closely matches demand for legal immigration with the supply of legal immigration, tying the supply of visas to the needs of our economy and protecting American workers from a large supply of undocumented workers.

By channeling immigration through ports of entry, with visas and vetting, we accomplish two paramount security goals: defunding the smuggling cartels and reducing illegal entry between ports of entry. There is no reason why immigrants who have come to support their families and have found jobs and are contributing to our economy should have to sneak across the border to do so. The reason people are walking across the Arizona desert is because we have not given them a realistic opportunity to apply, wait a reasonable period of time, and come to the U.S. on a bus or a plane under the scrutiny of border guards. And some of the most violent and cutthroat criminals have stepped into this gap between the supply of legal immigration and the demand generated by our economy to reap huge profits while sowing chaos and murder. Immigration happens. We should regulate and vet it on our terms, not those of smuggling cartels. That type of law and order is vociferously opposed by House Republicans.

Reducing the Population of Undocumented Immigrants
The way to reduce the population of immigrants living and working in the U.S. illegally is to give those individuals a firm but fair deal: you take action to get legal and get in the system by a certain deadline or face the consequences of a system that is much, much more difficult to evade.

I firmly believe that trying to deport or drive out a population of about 12 million men, women, and children living in the U.S. illegally is a fool's errand. That is too many people and they are too ingrained in U.S. communities and companies to be pushed out. Two-thirds of the undocumented population has been here a decade or more. More than 4 million U.S. citizens have parents who are undocumented. Driving them out isn't going to happen. It is not an option. Basing our immigration policy on something that isn't going to happen makes no sense and delays the establishment of the rule of law.

I would rather offer immigrants a "get legal or get out" policy that recognizes that almost all of them are here to stay. We do not want them living here illegally because it is not good for our society to have so many people floating outside the system with no opportunity to ever become citizens and fully recognized -- and fully taxed -- members of society. We cannot transition our current workforce, where about one in 20 are undocumented, to a fully legal workforce without a legalization process. To attempt enforcement alone -- as we have been doing for the past two decades or so -- only drives undocumented workers and employers further off the books and underground, which is exactly the opposite of establishing the rule of law.

Fines and full tax compliance by undocumented immigrants will put billions into our state, local, and federal coffers and we would guarantee that only those in full compliance with our tax code can live here and enjoy the benefits of U.S. society. Making sure that workers are given an opportunity to work towards legal status ensures that all labor laws apply to all workers. We should eliminate the opportunity employers currently have to hire from a pool of workers who are not protected by basic rights like health and safety codes, minimum wage, or protection from sexual harassment. The current system only undermines the rule of law.

You can click your heels as many times as you want, but the 7 million immigrants working in the U.S. without papers will not disappear. And it is intellectually dishonest to say we can drive out those people and create 7 million jobs for American-born workers. It is a cynical fantasy standing in the way of law and order on immigration.

Incentivizing Legality While Opposing Amnesty
Laws we passed in the mid-90s under GOP leadership to "get tough" on illegal immigration illustrate the short-comings of the GOP approach. During the Clinton Administration, the GOP controlled Congress passed -- and the President signed -- laws preventing immigrants in the U.S. illegally from leaving and coming back legally. We have literally created an incentive to stay here in the underground as opposed to being able to apply for legal immigration, leave, and come back, even for those few who qualify to do so under current law. We have also made crossing the border illegally much more expensive and dangerous, much to the delight of criminal smuggling cartels.

The response to these types of provisions is that immigrants here illegally are staying longer and bringing their families over illegally too, because we have practically eliminated the option of coming back and forth legally. By going down the "rule of law" path set out by House Republicans, we have seen a huge increase in the undocumented population, the number of employers hiring undocumented workers, and we have actually prevented people from being able to comply with the rule of law.

Enforcement That Is Hard To Evade
Finally, I think both the Republicans and Democrats want an employment verification system that prevents those here illegally from working and does not allow employers an easy way to get off the hook for hiring unauthorized workers. There are legitimate concerns about privacy and data security that come from both the political right and left, but there is really no way around a universal worker verification system of some sort.

The Social Security card my father was issued in the 1930s is the same paper card technology I have, my daughters have, and my grandson has. Over four generations of the Gutierrez family, we ought to have been able to institute a more elaborate and secure process. But the electronic verification system we have been testing since the mid-90s has two major problems: it doesn't prevent unauthorized workers from working and it erroneously prevents some U.S. citizens and legal immigrants from working. Expanding it -- as House Republicans have vowed to do -- only multiplies these problems. And if we further expand the experimental system while we have a workforce where one in 20 workers is here illegally, we create a huge incentive to move employees from the on-the-books payroll that is fully taxed to an off-the-books or under-the-table arrangement. That doesn't advance the rule of law, it undermines it.

Again, this is the approach taken in my bill and by other Democrats and not a single Republican has been willing to even discuss these ideas in the light of day.

I respectfully say to my colleagues in the Republican Caucus, and especially those who sit on the Judiciary Committee with me, that if you feel strongly about the rule of law, you should talk to me and join me in seeking solutions. We can work together on establishing the rule of law with regard to immigration. We agree on so much, but have let this issue devolve into two sides talking past each other, not with each other.

Supporting a comprehensive, sensible, carefully thought-out approach to reform is the only way to establish the rule of law when it comes to immigration. Simply ratcheting up what we are already doing -- and failing at -- further undermines the rule of law and delays the creation of an immigration system both parties -- and all the American people -- can be proud of. Erecting barriers to legal immigration and legality, then railing against the illegalities and wrapping yourself in the rhetoric of the "rule of law" is a political strategy; it is not an immigration strategy. Continuing to use immigration and immigrants as a political football is morally indefensible.

 

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12:21 PM on 10/31/2010
Another thing to consider about illegal immigrants is how many of these people have criminal backgrounds in Mexico? Our borders are practically wide open to any illegal immigrant including those with violent criminal history. What we ought to do is preform background checks on all the immigrants who wish to enter this country and make sure we aren't welcoming criminals. I know there are sites like www.ResearchAnyone.com that do unlimited background checks for one price, but the the time/cost factor of having the police or immigration services doing these checks would be enormous.
10:17 AM on 10/29/2010
I work in Laredo and Mexico, and the situation has now become intolerable. Recently one of our woman employees went to Saltillo for work, and got caught up in a shootout coming back into the US in Nuevo Laredo. There are over one hundred US citizens who have been disappeared in Mexico from Laredo and I can listen to the gunfights across the border. She has family in Mexico and now she refuses to drive to visit them any more. The same is true for the rest of her family since they can no longer drive to visit them in the US either.

I told her that the only real solution is to send the US Army to secure the border and seal it off from illegal crossings and drugs. Once that is done, there will be less incentive for the drug cartels to fight over turf in controlling the flow of drugs and illegals into the US.

The US Army can be the anvil, and hopefully the Mexican Army can be the hammer to rid this area of the drug gangs that now control the US/Mexico border. It is high time to have some pity on the law abiding ordinary Mexican people who only want to live a normal life and prosper and secure the border for ALL of our benefit.
10:05 AM on 10/29/2010
The reason that there is no agreement is that he has so many errors of fact and reason. We CAN indeed force most of those here illegally OUT by deportation or other measures such as E-Verify, and it HAS been done before. We CAN secure the border by sending the US Army to the border and/or fencing. THAT is one of the Army's prime jobs by the way.

Since most of those who enter illegally don't even bother to get a passport from their home country, it is absurd to think that they will now both get a passport AND a visa if we change the law or grant more entry. So if we grant an amnesty, we will only get what we got last time we did this. A TWELVE times increase in illegals. The unskilled and uneducated will still be denied visas, so they will still keep coming no matter what. Those with criminal records will not stop entering either. The demand side of the equation must be addressed, but it can only be done by stiff employer sanctions which Obama and the Chamber of Commerce is against.

Over half of the illegals work off the books. Think that they will then demand that their employers pay them on the books and turn themselves into the IRS for not paying all the taxes that they failed to withhold? Think that the illegals will demand that their employers pay them LESS as they withhold FICA, income taxes?
07:20 AM on 11/02/2010
I agree with you 100 percent. Do not reward those here illegally by letting them stay. Americans aren't rewarded for breaking the law. Their extended visits should also be limited so they can't get "lost" and the government can't find them to send them back.
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09:15 AM on 10/29/2010
Alfonso Aguilar (Republican, in the Bush Administrion):

You keep hearing this word “Amnesty” when nobody is proposing amnesty, nobody is for amnesty. We are talking about how to get legalization with a penalty. So, people would have to come forward and say they have done something wrong, they would have to pay a penalty, perhaps back taxes, and they would go to the back of the line. I think we have to understand that what we are proposing is totally consistent with the rule of law, the punishment, if you will, or the penalty has to be proportional to the offense. In this case crossing illegally or overstaying your visa is not a crime, it’s a legal violation and I think that if they pay a penalty, and if you have a penalty of two thousand dollars for most undocumented immigrants, that’s a lot of money. So the fact of matter is this proposal (Immigration Reform) is totally consistent with the rule of law as understood by the Constitution and as understood by common law.

http://www.hitn.tv/dcb/video_clips.php?date=dcb_20100415_02.php
11:56 AM on 10/29/2010
While it is not an amnesty for illegal entry, it IS an AMNESTY for ALL other laws that the illegals have violated! They will be granted amnesty for ID theft, fraud, forgery, perjury, false statements to police, theft, and ALL other crimes related to their being here and working illegally. They will also get amnesty for not registering for the draft which is a FELONY for all men who live here between the ages of 18 and 25. There is NO provision in the law to even require that they do that little to comply with US law. So in most respects, it IS a blanket amnesty for other crimes.
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AZreb
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09:11 AM on 10/29/2010
We have NOT followed the laws and rules on immigration for the past two decades Instead, those rules and laws have been ignored by BOTH parties when in power. The amnesty in 1986 has been followed by even more illegal aliens sneaking across the border and draining our resources.
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06:43 AM on 10/29/2010
The electronic verification system works well enough to make it mandatory for employers.Then the authorities will have more evidence to prove the employer had intent to break the law ,Currently the employer just says he has a copy of the employee's card .The card is a forgery.Congressman Joe Donnelly supports mandatory e-verify now,
11:57 PM on 10/28/2010
"Continuing to use immigration and immigrants as a political football is morally indefensible."

I couldn't agree more. Hopefully this will be your last bi-weekly press release on the matter Rep Guiterrez.
11:55 PM on 10/28/2010
We aren't in need of more immigrants.

Why does the democrat party on the one had demonize big business but then uses the other side of their face to promote corporate subsidies like guest worker visa programs that hurt the American citizens?
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rubbercow
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08:08 PM on 10/28/2010
You now, come to think of it we could live in a crime free paradise if we would just make everything legal. What an excellent argument. This is pathetic. If it is difficult for low-skilled and uneducated people to legally immigrate to the US it is for a good reason. Should we just open the floodgates to whomever wants to come here? I promise you that every country in the world would immediately send the bulk of their low skilled/uneducated over to us to take care of.
06:12 PM on 10/28/2010
"I think both the Republicans and Democrats want an employment verification system that prevents those here illegally from working and does not allow employers an easy way to get off the hook for hiring unauthorized workers."

Well, I would say some Rep and Dem want that. This is why more people are becoming independent. Here in CA people have gone nuts over Whitman firing her maid when she found out she was illegal...or not having profiled her when she was hired at the same time they are against the Arizona law because they think it encourages profiling. Difficult issue.
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06:43 PM on 10/28/2010
Feds have challenged the AZ employer law that merely requires E-verify which is already federal law be enforced. Obama justice dept asked the court to block it.

http://www.azcentral.com/news/election/azelections/articles/2010/05/28/20100528arizona-employer-sanctions-supreme-court.html
09:54 AM on 10/29/2010
This is the law that AZ businesses are fighting against. It is absurd that Obama would be on the side of employers seeking to hire more illegals and to drive down American workers wages. Even Gutierrez is in favor of employer sanctions and strict enforcement of them.
06:08 PM on 10/28/2010
"The way to reduce the population of immigrants living and working in the U.S. illegally is to give those individuals a firm but fair deal: you take action to get legal and get in the system by a certain deadline or face the consequences of a system that is much, much more difficult to evade. "

Tough talking, hard hitting Gutierrez! He's the man!

Hey Luis I've got a better idea. Let's just focus on the second part of your proposal and make a system that is much, much more difficult to evade.
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justmeinAz
05:05 PM on 10/28/2010
On a closely related note, I wonder why it's not a bigger story how the private for-profit prison industry actually wrote the Az anti-immigration law that so many other states are now warming to. This is just like big pharma writhing the prescription drug law years ago. NPR just did a really good look at it.

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=130833741

Some things just don't work as for-profit sectors. This is clearly one.
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frank day
Obama cares about all of U.S.
04:44 PM on 10/28/2010
"We have made it next to impossible for low-skilled workers -- like many of those coming to the U.S. who are finding employment here despite our restrictive quota system -- to come legally."

With 12 million + legal American citizens unemployed, that sounds like an appropriate policy.
Tell ya what? When we reachieve full employment, check back with us, Okay?
06:02 PM on 10/28/2010
Agree & faved.
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parlimentMike
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03:40 PM on 10/28/2010
Enforce penalties against employers, make them sufficient to fund the border patrol effort in total. When the cost of illegal labor rises above the cost of legal labor the attraction will soon fade.
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04:44 PM on 10/28/2010
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06:46 PM on 10/28/2010
See the above post and link, The feds are fighting enforecement of E-verify in AZ????