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Ayn Rand Was Consistent

Posted: 08/27/2012 11:28 am

Ayn Rand was consistent. She was an individualist and an atheist. Notice what I am NOT saying: I am not saying that an atheist is necessarily an individualist. In truth I am aware of more atheists who are collectivists than individualists.

Rather, I would say that belief in either God or spirituality goes hand in hand with collectivism. Spirituality is about "the whole enchilada," a term the Watergate scandal helped popularize. It witnesses the connectedness of all things -- that in the poet's words, "no man is an island"; that, in Jesus' words, "as much as you have done it to the least of these you have done it so to me."

In biblical understanding, not even God is an individualist. God created companions, dwells among us and invites us to enjoy the common spiritual wealth that is already available. In both Jewish and Christian understandings, God treats us collectively: if one sinned, all are collectively responsible in the Old Testament; in the New Testament God makes rain and sunshine fall on the just and the unjust. In both testaments we are to love our neighbor as ourselves, which requires compassion -- identification, solidarity, justice and mercy.

The Reformed tradition of Christianity emphasized collective salvation over individual salvation, but this has been a theme of Christianity from the beginning. Despite the emphasis on individual salvation in present-day evangelical circles, Jesus was said to reconcile the whole world to God's self. It's not "all about me," but "all about us," and I would add that the whole creation is included in "us."

This does not mean that I don't believe in individual responsibility, but that we are individually responsible for the whole world, that every action we take or don't take -- "sins of commission or omission" -- must be accountable to needs broader than our own.

I don't know how anyone following the news does not cry or become indignant and angry at the inequality and injustice and violence, as well as grieve the losses of every nation in conflict or enduring calamity and the environment suffering global warming and deforestation.

Something else I am NOT saying: I am not saying that Christians who claim individualism over collectivism are not Christian. I am saying they are inconsistent.

See also 'The Making of You,' an earlier post on Glaser's blog, "Progressive Christian Reflections." Glaser is the author of 12 books, including 'The Final Deadline: What Death Has Taught Me About Life.'

 
 
 
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objectivist510
Atheists Against Altruism
05:14 AM on 08/29/2012
Just about the only truthful article on Rand in all of HP and likely in the media.
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Brooke123456
God is ....(fill in the blank how you like)
01:47 PM on 08/28/2012
Ayn Rand was consistent, but she forgot one critical thing.
We evolved and became successful, not because of our individual intelligence (though that certainly helped), but primarily because of our ability to be social. We communicate, teach, learn, and help each other, and that is the ONLY thing that makes the difference between a great society and one that goes extinct. She was blind to this fact.
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Saulius Muliolis
The Free Market's Alibi
01:53 PM on 08/28/2012
No. She INSISTED on that fact. Its just that when people try to shape society by force, they actually destroy it. A society thrives when its individuals are free to think for themselves and choose their associations freely.

"We inherit the products of the thought of other men. We inherit the wheel. We make a cart. The cart becomes an automobile. The automobile becomes an airplane. But all through the process what we receive from others is only the end product of their thinking. The moving force is the creative faculty which takes this product as material, uses it and originates the next step. This creative faculty cannot be given or received, shared or borrowed. It belongs to single, individual men. That which it creates is the property of the creator. Men learn from one another. But all learning is only the exchange of material. No man can give another the capacity to think. Yet that capacity is our only means of survival."--Ayn Rand

"There is nothing wrong in helping other people, if and when they are worthy of the help and you can afford to help them."--Ayn Rand

Look up what she said about charity on the Ayn Rand Lexicon, available online.
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Brooke123456
God is ....(fill in the blank how you like)
02:53 PM on 08/28/2012
"There is nothing wrong in helping other people, if and when they are worthy of the help and you can afford to help them"
who decides when they are "worthy"?
As far as charity...it is a good thing, but it doesn't raise society as a whole.....your forgetting human nature...as she forgot human nature.
Assuming a perfectly rational group of individuals, it may work....but we are NOT perfectly rational.
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Rev. Chris Glaser
03:13 PM on 08/28/2012
I'm not in academia, but it used to be that sociologists/anthropologists defined civilization by the discovery of evidence that a society took care of its vulnerable members, confirming your point "help each other."
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LA RAM
01:08 PM on 08/28/2012
In that case, Ayn Rand, as evidenced by her philosophy, was consistently deplorable.
12:14 AM on 08/28/2012
Libertarianism is a simple-minded economic philosophy that can be summarized by one sentence, “The government can do no right.” Ayn Rand sounds like an intellectual, but is not. Sorry, we no longer live in the 1700’s when pure capitalism might have worked.
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thorrsman
Why should I define myself by quoting others?
08:32 AM on 08/28/2012
Incorrect.

That you have no understanding of Libertarianism is hardly surprising. The central belief of the Libertarian is self-reliance.

Not that the government can do no right, but that as adults responsible for ourselves, there is little need for government to "take care" of everyone.
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Saulius Muliolis
The Free Market's Alibi
01:24 PM on 08/28/2012
Clearly, you don't know what Libertarianism is all about. If a Libertarian were to choose one sentence to describe libertarianism, it would be "The initiation of force is immoral". From that, any government action should be judged according to whether it involves the initiation of force, or retaliation.
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martykz
09:44 PM on 08/27/2012
Paul Ryan said that he bases his world view on the writings of Ayn Rand, a radical militant feminist atheist, not Jesus Christ, like George W. Bush. If you are not one of her "chosen few"; industrialists, top bankers, social Darwinians, uncompromising architects and godless scientists, then you are a moocher or a taker and must be eliminated. Which one are you...?
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Alone2Alone
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07:44 PM on 08/27/2012
"When The Athesit Met The Mystic" a review of book Towards A Spiritual Humanism (Askari/Avery) http://spiritualhuman.wordpress.com/2012/08/26/when-the-atheist-met-the-mystic/
"Did you hear about the Muslim Mystic who found common ground with an American Atheist? That question sounds like the beginning of a joke. It isn’t. "
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Dr Idris
polymathy is not understanding
04:44 PM on 08/27/2012
Yes Ayn Rand seems to have been consistent. Paul Ryan is not necessarily consistent!
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grailknight
is happily godless
04:38 PM on 08/27/2012
The individualist who collected social security and medicare.
05:35 PM on 08/27/2012
If you were routinely stolen from, and the thrives offered some of your money back, would you take it?
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grailknight
is happily godless
08:00 PM on 08/27/2012
Sure I would, but I'm not John Galt, either.
12:19 AM on 08/28/2012
My point is the implication of hypocrisy on Rand's part is ridiculous. It's a charge without context or standing. Rand opposed welfare programs in their entirety, both before and after she started receiving them. She was a victim of a government that forcefully took part of her wealth during the 56 years she lived here and when the government offered some of it back, she took it. Opponents of the welfare state don't have to add self-inflicted martyrdom to injury by refusing their own money.
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06:06 PM on 08/27/2012
like so many of her followers.

There just has to be something smart about it, right?
04:14 PM on 08/27/2012
In Objectivism, justice is one of the major virtues.

From Wikipedia we find that "Ayn Rand describes seven virtues: rationality, productiveness, pride, independence, integrity, honesty and justice."

Justice can entail empathy and compassion. But Ayn Rand points out that one cannot simultaneously feel compassion for a victim and compassion for the victim's persecutor.

I am almost 70 years old, am an atheist, and have lived all my adult life according to the principles of Objectivism. Yet I consider myself to be an empathetic and compassionate person. If you do not understand this, then you do not really understand Objectivism. As Ayn Rand would say, "Check your premises."
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Rev. Chris Glaser
05:54 PM on 08/27/2012
Well, as I said in the post, I was not suggesting atheists or even Ayn Rand were not compassionate. What I say is that someone who believes in God or spirituality cannot be other than a collectivist, especially those of us from a Christian tradition. I explicitly say that most atheists I know ARE collectivists. This post was prompted by Republican VP nominee Paul Ryan's embrace of both Ayn Rand and Christianity, which I believe to be mutually exclusive. I'm not so much challenging Ayn Rand's philosophy, as I am pointing out this inconsistency.
08:18 PM on 08/27/2012
You're absolutely right; Ryan's embrace of religion and Ayn Rand's ideas are mutually exclusive, which I think is why he has distanced himself from Rand.

As an Objectivist, I appreciate you making the observation that Christianity and collectivism go hand-in-hand. They do. You are consistent, albeit -- in my opinion -- misguided.
11:09 PM on 08/27/2012
Rev. Glaser, we are in agreement that Ryan's embrace of Christianity and Objectivism is inconsistent.
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06:05 PM on 08/27/2012
it could be that of those 7 virtues, one is foul.

Try pride.
11:06 PM on 08/27/2012
From Rand's essay "The Objectivist Ethics" she speaks of the virtue of pride

"The virtue of Pride can best be described by the term: “moral ambitiousness.” It means that one must earn the right to hold oneself as one’s own highest value by achieving one’s own moral perfection—which one achieves by never accepting any code of irrational virtues impossible to practice and by never failing to practice the virtues one knows to be rational—by never accepting an unearned guilt and never earning any, or, if one has earned it, never leaving it uncorrected—by never resigning oneself passively to any flaws in one’s character—by never placing any concern, wish, fear or mood of the moment above the reality of one’s own self-esteem. And, above all, it means one’s rejection of the role of a sacrificial animal, the rejection of any doctrine that preaches self-immolation as a moral virtue or duty."
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02:16 PM on 08/27/2012
You're right. Ayn Rand was consistent: she WAS an island.
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Saulius Muliolis
The Free Market's Alibi
01:48 PM on 08/28/2012
Another strawman argument. There is no sharp dichotomy between being social and an individualist. You simply have to respect the rights of the individual if you want a healthy society. People naturally want to associate with others. They simply need to be free to choose their associations, freely, as individuals.
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02:17 PM on 08/28/2012
"another strawman argument"? For what or against what? And why "another"?

When did I not respect the rights of an individual? When did I impose limits on your freedom?
SelfAwarePatterns
seek truth; question everything
02:09 PM on 08/27/2012
Why do so many religious people feel the need to tell atheists that they aren't doing it right unless they're bitter nihilists. Well, as a non-believer, I reject Ayn Rand's philosophy and see no contradiction in that. I'm very glad you guys can't control my beliefs. Sorry, but Christianity, or any other religion, doesn't own social justice, kindness, or mercy.
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Rev. Chris Glaser
11:18 AM on 08/28/2012
Again, I am not telling atheists what to believe or what they believe. I am pointing out the inconsistency of those of us who believe in God or spirituality and fail to care for our planet and all upon it. Spirituality--as opposed to religion--is about "the whole enchilada"! Btw, I think atheism can be a form of spirituality, just one that does not need a god.
SelfAwarePatterns
seek truth; question everything
01:22 PM on 08/28/2012
Ah, ok. I thought your opening paragraphs implied that atheists who were collectivist were inconsistent with only objectivists being the consistent ones. But scanning again, I see that your main point was against Christian individualists. Sorry for the snap.

It seems to me that spirituality has become something of an amorphous word. If used in a secular context of love, compassion, tolerance, awe, wonder, etc, then I'm spiritual. But I hesitate to use the word because I think most people's perception of it involves religious experience, which in my case would be misleading.
02:08 PM on 08/27/2012
it takes a brave soul such as ayn rand's to validate something as unnatural as selfishness. now someone just needs to come along and do the same thing for sneezing, scratching, and sleeping.