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Islamophobia's Implications for the United States

Posted: 06/09/11 06:30 PM ET

Amid a surging fear of Muslims -- Islamophobia -- in our nation, it is time for all of us to improve our understanding of Islam and our relationships with Muslims -- if not because it is right to do this morally, then because it is in our best interests nationally.

The fact is that we live in a world alongside one and a half billion Muslims, and regardless of the desire of some on the fringes of society, our Muslim neighbors are not going anywhere. A failure to understand this population and its religion is bad enough. Choosing to intentionally demonize those who follow this religion and provoke the anger of the Muslim people qualifies not just as insensibility but insanity.

General David Petraeus, the current commander of U.S. forces in Afghanistan, seems to be the type of person who would have a good sense of how the Muslim world perceives the rising level of anti-Muslim rhetoric in the United States. Just as importantly, he would see the impact of that rhetoric on the men and women serving in the U.S. military abroad.

Here is a solid chunk of reality. In an unprecedented move last year, General Petraeus asked the American people not to participate in or support burnings of the Quran and anti-Muslim rhetoric because of the potentially harmful impact of such behavior on our military personnel in Afghanistan and Pakistan.

And, there is more. The United States has committed a tremendous amount of resources to Afghanistan, not just money, but the lives of our sons and daughters. So, why, in the name of all that is reasonable, would U.S. citizens spew antagonizing suspicion and anger at the very people on whom our government is expending our most precious resource in an effort to form a partnership of peace? Are we hoping that our vitriol somehow will be miraculously transformed into a message regarding a desire for essential collaboration, cooperation, mutual respect, and understanding? With Pakistani attitudes toward the United States at an all-time low, our denunciations are intensifying a growing hatred toward us. Is that in our best interest?

We are not the only people in the world with an interest in Pakistan and Afghanistan. Other governments with non-American agendas are biding their time to see how the U.S. continues to respond to Islamic-oriented countries. China, for example, sees in Pakistan the possibility of a delivery system that could bring vast new sources of energy to its people. Why are we positioning ourselves as hateful people who want our Muslim neighbors to find allies other than us?

Whatever your scriptures of authority may be, if you have any at all, the U.S. Constitution calls for all American citizens to recognize the dignity and worth of all people and summons us to live as civil peacemakers in this world. No exemptions exist for Muslims. Patriotically applying the priorities of our Constitution to the present situation could enable us to see the remarkable opportunity that we have to increase the spread of democracy and to forge alliances that can make the world a better place in which to live.

We now know that the warning from General Petraeus was rooted in a reality that we can ignore only at the peril of exposing our troops to more hatred and endangering lives. When last autumn's threats by a few Americans to burn a Quran segued into this past spring's burning of the holy book of Islam by those same people, we watched in horror as a riot of response broke out in Afghanistan and eight United Nations workers were killed along with at least four others. What was the helpful point of that action? What was the promise of Christianity purveyed by such behavior?

Actions always have consequences as do spoken words, but they do not always have to be negative. As we approach the tenth anniversary of September 11, we will do well to ask what actions we can take here at home -- individually and collectively -- that will have a positive impact on those around us and those on the other side of the world.

The two of us have made the choice to move beyond talking about each other or talking with each other to instead engage each other in a manner that can change in us -- and hopefully in others also -- perceptions, nurture mutual understanding as well as respect, and return us to an appreciation of religious diversity. Respecting the religious freedoms of others, even those with whom we disagree, does not require anyone to set aside their own faith. Both our respective faith traditions and our common citizenship compel us to find ways to live together with peace, justice, and goodwill.

Rev. Dr. C. Welton Gaddy is the President of Interfaith Alliance and an organizer of the upcoming "Faith Shared: Uniting in Prayer and Understanding." Ambassador Akbar Ahmed is the Ibn Khaldun Chair of Islamic Studies at American University and author of "Journey into America: The Challenge of Islam."

 
Amid a surging fear of Muslims -- Islamophobia -- in our nation, it is time for all of us to improve our understanding of Islam and our relationships with Muslims -- if not because it is right to do t...
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05:15 PM on 06/16/2011
David Patreous and President Obama made a monumental mistake in repressing Free Speech so as to conform to Islamic Law, stating that it cannot be criticized. That's how most Muslims would perceive that, not as a gesture of reconciliation. For in the Qu'ran, no reconciliation is allowed in the later Medina passages that abrogate the earlier, more conciliatory Mecca surahs. It is not my obligation to understand Islam, beyong having read the Qu'ran and coming to the understanding that Muslims are only its first victims. The word "Islam" means to "submit", but submit to what? A theocracy with the record of failure that Muslim countries share? Far better, had Petreous and Obama upheld our notions open debate, criticism and honest endeaver to make a better world, a Rennaissacne or Reformation that Islam never had, rather than submit to the dictates of few imams. That, would have been leaderhsip in a free world! And exactly what the Mulsims of the world need to hear and consider for themselves.
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We see the world not as it is, but as we are.
09:36 PM on 06/16/2011
"The word "Islam" means to "submit", but submit to what?"

To the will of God; to open past limited ego.
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11:17 PM on 06/15/2011
Prank Karthik: a Mormom minor girl being forced to wed a polygamist man three times her age does not represent Christianity. Likewise, abhorrent acts of violating a woman does not represent Islam.
01:41 AM on 06/14/2011
(Part deux) What if I told you that Islam tells you that hypocrisy, on a personal and societal level, is verboten? that no man (meaning man or woman) can come between a man and his Creator? that the loving family is crucial to the well-being and progress of society? that every man will have to answer for every deed? that God transcends space and time? that God judges us by our intentions, so that even our failed attempts count for something? that, years before evolutionists declared that all life originated from once source, and astronomers declared that the universe originated from a single point, God stated in the Qur'an that He was the single Source, the sole Creator and Eternal Sustainer of all life, and all of the universe, over and over again in the Qur'an? that the words of Jesus in the Bible are more in line with the the teachings of the Qur'an than with the way Christianity is practiced today? that Moses was similar in many ways to Muhammad? Would that change your current perception and opinion of what Islam is really about, what it really means to Muslims?
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07:14 AM on 06/14/2011
All you're saying is what every religion says. "MY" religion is the word of god. God didn't state anything in the quran or any other book, men stated those things. Let me ask you this. When those cartoons were drawn in Denmark, and the quran was burned here, there were calls by Muslim governments that those people be punished by Denmark and the US. Should they have been punished in your opinion?
01:01 PM on 06/14/2011
I am guessing you won't get a straight answer to your question.

For that matter, I asked one of the more active posters on this forum (a sufi to boot) the following straightforward questions.

1. The Pakistani constitution makes it illegal for Hindus, Christians and other non-Muslims to become President or Prime Minister of Pakistan. Should this law be repealed?

2. Ahmadiyyas in Pakistan can be imprisoned for 3 years for saying "Salaam alaikum" or otherwise "pretending to be Muslim". Should anti-Ahmadiyya laws be removed from the Pakistani penal code?

3. Should the blasphemy laws that are being used to persecute religious minorities be removed from the Pakistani penal code as Sherry Rehman and other courageous people have proposed?

4. Should Muslims have the right to convert to another religion if they choose to? (It is illegal in "moderate" Malaysia and a capital crime in many Muslim countries like Afghanistan and Sudan.)

Each of these questions has a simple yes or no answer. I have not received an answer in spite of 4 attempts.
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01:22 PM on 06/14/2011
G-D can write all the books he likes he would still be man made in my opinion. You are free to believe in mohammad mahadi buddah and Donald duck if you wish.
01:39 AM on 06/14/2011
I was at the drugstore the other day and on the cover of Skeptic magazine (the word 'magazine' has its roots in Arabic, btw) was the Qur'an and Islam, ready for Skeptic's scalpels. http://www.skeptic.com/the_magazine/
Inside, the editors had the decency to interview an actual Islamic studies professor, but the questions were, to my eyes, sooooo retarded. (Is it kosher to make fun of retard questions?) The standard 'Western' concerns of 72 virgins, inherent violence, Jihad, the misconceptions about women's rights, and a whole bunch of crap that has nothing to do with the transcendence that I experience when i put my forehead on my prayer rug, the humility, the debt I feel I owe to my Creator for the blessings that I once prayed for that I have now received, the struggles that I have overcome, the struggles I now face, and the struggles that my children will overcome, all to gain the favor of the Source of all life. I am not afraid of Skeptic magazine challenging Islam to a logic duel; I do feel pain, however, when i see the damage done to apparently reasonable people by the rampant ignorance of a biased media that has manufactured a Muslim menace (google that phrase to receive a lovely pdf).
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01:55 AM on 06/14/2011
How can Islam win any logic duel? Its faith based... duh.
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01:16 PM on 06/14/2011
.... I guess the same way it claims itself equivalent to western values. When insanity prevails in the heads of religious people, logic usually had checked out long time ago.
Followers of the religion of truth prove time over time they’re not trust worthy to be part of the civilized world.
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Doug Sandlin
We see the world not as it is, but as we are.
11:43 PM on 06/14/2011
Not all of it.

Sufism is actually as rigorous, philosophically, as anything out of India, I'm pretty sure -- or, at the very least, it can hold its own; ditto Kabbalah.

And the deeper philosophical exegis from the masters of these paths is equivalent or (usually) vastly superior to, the greatest of the Western philosphers.

My point: the closed-minded, faith-based, dogmatic approach is the tip of the iceberg in all traditions (though with a good majority of the adherents), in terms of philosophy and logically-consistent system-structures -- and of the Abrahamic traditions, both Judaism and Islam have richer philosophical and intellectual cultures and traditions than Christianity (which still has a stronger philosophical and intellectual tradition than many people may realize -- some of those Jesuits and Middle Ages mystics went pretty deep).
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06:59 AM on 06/14/2011
So I will ask you the same question I ask others. Why is intolerance against other religions, and including Muslim sects like the Ahamdi, so widespread in the Muslim world, actually embedded into the legal codes? Why are there laws against blasphemy and apostasy? You want to talk about "Western" concerns, what's so wrong about being concerned about that. I have zero desire to live in a society where I can't criticize anyone or anything I feel like criticizing.
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Doug Sandlin
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11:47 PM on 06/14/2011
I'm with you on this.

My inverse question would be:

Why do North American (U.S. & Canada) seem to be able to so seamlessly adopt to our views, and why do they overtly state that our systems are more in harmony with the true vision of Islam, than their home countries?

My guess is that there are a variety of factors at play in both cases -- but if Islam was inherently anti-tolerance for non-Muslims, I wouldn't think Muslims would adapt to our culture, so easily, in terms of tolerance.

And I don't think the Quran would contain verses like this:

Those who believe in the Quran, and those who follow the Jewish scriptures¬, and the Christians and the Sabians; any who believe in God and in the Last Day, and work righteousn¬ess, shall have their reward with their Lord, on them shall be no fear, nor shall they grieve.
~Quran 5:69

Or this

Let there be no compulsion in religion.
~Quran 2:256
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12:04 AM on 06/14/2011
Doug : Your knowledge is so shallow in islam that you look at what people do and think it is religion rather than read quran and sunnah which are the sources of religion...

Intertainment music is prohiobited and fatwas prove it and even your new favorite imam Dr Tahir ul Qadri (http://www­.youtube.c­om/watch?v­=2pFDVl3rV­7I&feature­=related) agrees on that. The link you provided doesn't contain any fatwa or teaching regarding sining ... strangely it is just about your favorite sufi band.

Music and Singing: A detailed fatwa
http://qa.­sunnipath.­com/issue_­view.asp?H­D=1&ID=178­6&CATE=142

The case with music and unlawful singing is the same. It has been decisively prohibited in Shariah, as the evidences mentioned further along will show. Yet there are individual­s that are not ready to believe that it is Haram.

. You shpw dualitites and that is a sign of weakness and disagreement but a fatwa surpasses all.
01:14 AM on 06/14/2011
Anyone can make a fatwa, and anyone can ignore it. "A fatwa surpasses all" makes no logical sense if one can find a dissenting fatwa.
"Do Re Mi" was originated by Muslims around the Mediterranean well before the Renaissance. I guess all those Muslims musicians never watched YouTube.
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01:39 AM on 06/14/2011
Please answer with verses or hadith that supports your claim that entertainment music and not religious music is allowed in the religion of peace.
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01:56 AM on 06/14/2011
Ok then make a fatwa to say all music is halal.
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Doug Sandlin
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11:59 PM on 06/14/2011
You seem to think any Sharia is all Shariah - and you often post examples of a given Muslim doing or saying something, and conflate it with all Muslims or all of Islam.

Please.

If music is really so haram in Islam --- somebody should probably let the Muslims know.

You seem to think Pakistan is "all Shariah-y" - right? Let's use it as an example.

Do they have more music than just Junoon, there? Hey - they do:

Strings
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PkyXqxbMotw

Zoe Viccaji
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uXI8TlY_n-g

Call
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V-ExN9C6p1I&feature=related

Billy X
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s11XcEX-o4g&feature=related

Overload
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pBBQQ6dGhGc

They even have Fashion Models - on runways, and everything:

Pakistan – Fashion Models on Catwalk – Lahore
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TJ1OA2RkoYI

Kinda of like .... a real country ... that doesn't match up to people's prejudiced ideas about it.

"Hm."
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Doug Sandlin
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09:52 PM on 06/16/2011
Forgot the Cheapmunks - two younger, Western-attired women, sounding very .... music-y.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bW_Aberb2to
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Doug Sandlin
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10:16 PM on 06/13/2011
Many people speak of "criticizing Islam".

I wonder - how is that possible? What is the single entity called "Islam", being criticized? Salafism? Sufism? Sunni views? Shia?

One of the biggest issues I have with criticism of Islam and/or Muslims, it that by criticizing either one of those -- spiritual systems / teachings, and/or the people who practice them, much of Islam, or many Muslims are wrongly criticized -- because there is no one "Islam" to receive the criticism.

Criticizing "Islam" is like criticizing "Christianity".

"Christians should support gay marriage." (I bet the Christians who are gay, especially if they're married, would find that statement interesting.)

Or even Americans.

"Americans need to stop maligning Muslims."

(As an American who doesn't malign Muslims -- I don't "resemble that remark.)

The key, to me, seems to be:

If you have a criticism --- be *specific*.

That can literally make the difference between criticism and bigotry.

Just my opinion. I hope it's useful.
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10:44 PM on 06/13/2011
Thankfully, as an atheist, I do not have to make the distinctions between the various sects and schools of Islam, Christianity, Hinduism or Judaism. As far as I am concerned, they are all equal glimpses of the same untrue assumption.
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Doug Sandlin
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12:38 AM on 06/14/2011
Fair enough.

Most people who speak of criticizing Islam aren't criticizing the fact of religious belief itself, but rather, facets of the teachings of Islam as interpreted by certain groups (which they often project onto Muslims as a whole), based on the facts that they feel these beliefs threaten non-Muslims.

Both the projecting of the beliefs of small groups of Muslims onto all Muslims, and the suggesting that "this verse here", "means x, and means American Muslims are planning to do y" .... is just significantly messed up, in my opinion.

It's a few million times more likely, in my opinion, that simple bigotry, rather than protection against threat, will be the result of that type of approach -- and that American Muslims, who, in general, are just regular citizens like other religious and non-religious Americans, alike -- will be on the receiving end of prejudice for no good reason whatsoever.

And I'd say: if you're against prejudice, pay close attention to the overall discussion.

You don't need to be religious (I'm not, for instance) to be pro-fact and anti-prejudice.
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12:20 PM on 06/13/2011
Inappropriate charges of Islamophobia produce political correctness.

These are some of the results of political correctness toward Islam, coming soon to a city near you:

"Victims say that officers in the borough of Tower Hamlets have ignored or downplayed outbreaks of hate crime, and suppressed evidence implicating Muslims in them, because they fear being accused of racism."

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/law-and-order/8570506/Police-covered-up-violent-campaign-to-turn-London-area-Islamic.html
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02:34 PM on 06/13/2011
How nice of the religion of peaces.
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Tolerant
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03:25 PM on 06/13/2011
"Inappropri­ate charges of Islamophob­ia produce political correctnes­s. "

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There have been inappropriate charges of Islamism and terrorism that have produced unfair treatment of peaceful Muslims.

At least one African American Muslim was thrown out of a plane because of the way he was dressed up (in the so-called Muslim garb).

There have been other cases in which the Muslims were discriminated against mainly because they were Muslims and someone got nervous and considered them terrorists or Islamists.

So ignorance goes both ways.
09:56 AM on 06/13/2011
Jan made a good point about some of the 20th century political theorists who spurred on the ideology we call 'islamism' (like Qutb, Maududi, etc.). I would like to point out that none of these theorists were accepted by the classical scholars of their time and had nothing to do with classical Islam, although they did gain some popular support because of the anti-imperialist sentiments of many Muslims and because of the importance political ideology is given in the modern world. This is why we call them modernist- not traditionalists. For example- Khomeni's walayatul faqih was rejected by the majority of traditional Shi'i scholars- but gained currency because of the political machinations and contexts of 20th century imperialism (like the 1953 coup). Point is- you cannot divorce these things from their context nor can you impose these views onto Islamic tradition like there has always been some Islamic domination conspiracy (which is what orientalists always projected onto Islam)- especially when noting that Muslims themselves opposed these views even as they were being created. Young people who are swayed into ideologies are not romanced by the intricacies of law, but by the political currents of the day. This is why some say reformation of canon law will not help, but educating Muslims on the wideness of interpretation and depth within their tradition might (which many people like T. Qadri, T. Ramadan, H. Yusuf and Abdul Karim Soroush are hard at work doing.)
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12:36 PM on 06/13/2011
Reform that distanced Islam from Islamism would help.

A simple statement of belief that true Islam does not seek political control over each and every country where Muslims live would help. It should not be difficult for Muslims to convince non-Muslims that American Islam favors separation of religion and state:

http://www.aifdemocracy.org/

If that reform also managed to marginalize statements similar in tone to "I have been commanded to fight unbelievers until all religion is for Allah alone" and statements like this one by Zawahiri on the doctrine of Enmity and Loyalty, published in "The Al Qaeda Reader":

"The Lord almighty has commanded us to hate the infidels and reject their love. For they hate us and begrudge us our religion, wishing that we abandon it.... There is a firm bond between loving the Lord, befriending the believers, and [waging] jihad in the path of Allah. Kindness and fair -dealing with those infidels who are not hostile toward us are not the same thing as friendship, which is forbidden."

p.63

Koran 60:4:

"We disown you and that which you worship besides Allah. We renounce you. Enmity and hate shall forever reign between us--till you believe in Allah alone."

--then I think we would see a drastic reduction in the prevalence of Islamic domination conspiracies.
03:01 PM on 06/13/2011
I'm glad you mentioned this chapter 60. It's a good indication that any person with the slightest bit of reason wouldn't take "The Al Qaeda Reader" as a source for his religion.

60:4 is giving an example about Abraham and the hardship he faced with his village and family.

"Indeed, 'you have had a good example in Abraham and those who followed him, when they said unto their people: "Verily, we are quit of you and of all that you worship instead of God: we deny the truth of whatever you believe; and between us and you there has arisen enmity and hatred, to last until such a time4 as you come to believe in the One God!" The only exception was Abraham's saying to his father "I shall indeed pray for [God's] forgiveness for thee, although I have it not in my power to obtain anything from God in thy behalf." [And Abraham and his followers prayed:] "O our Sustainer! In Thee have we placed our trust, and unto Thee do we turn: for unto Thee is all journeys' end."
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03:02 PM on 06/13/2011
True Islam does not allow its adherents to seek power and control, for it is God who is All-Powerful and the Controller of the universe.

True Islam seeks those who are in power and control and are managing the affairs of a society at all levels to reflect the higher qualities of the self, such as selflessness, love, respect, forgiveness, humility, justice, fairness, sharing, not doing unto others what one wouldn't want done unto oneself, etc.
03:02 PM on 06/13/2011
verses 60: 7-9 clarifies the point:

it may well be that God will bring about [mutual] affection between you [O believers] and some of those whom you [now] face as enemies: for, God is all-powerful - and God is much-forgiving, a dispenser of grace.

As for such who do not fight against you on account of [your] faith, and neither drive you forth from your homelands, God does not forbid you to show them kindness and to behave towards them with full equity: for, verily, God loves those who act equitably.

God only forbids you to turn in friendship towards such as fight against you because of [your] faith, and drive you forth from your homelands, or aid [others] in driving you forth: and as for those [from among you] who turn towards them in friendly protection; it is they, they who are truly wrongdoers!
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Tolerant
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03:09 PM on 06/13/2011
Yes, a lot of the times, the verses before and after the one that has been quoted clarifies its meaning, without resorting to commentaries and hadith.
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09:27 AM on 06/13/2011
i'm not sure the materialistic reasoning against islamophobia is good enough. how about hatred of other people because of their religious beliefs being inherently wrong instead of 'don't do that please, our soldiers might will get killed'?
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05:25 AM on 06/13/2011
C. Welton Gaddy is a superb commentator on religion in American life and is also noted for saying that mixing religion and politics is a form of shotgun wedding which produces very dangerous illegitimate babies.

That's from memory so I might have skipped a word or gotten the order wrong but if you look him up you'll find the article he wrote where he said that.

I respect Reverend Gaddy.
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10:53 PM on 06/12/2011
Tolerant: thanks for your posts. You and your family are more the type of Muslims I know and meet, vs the comic book character that pervades our media and in the minds of those who have never met a Muslim.
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11:12 PM on 06/12/2011
Funny ..... that's true for me, too.

Thanks; Faved.
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03:01 PM on 06/13/2011
The problems are not caused by Muslims like Tolerant, but by Muslims like these American Muslims for Khomeini—Islamic colonists in America.

“Not only did he start, you know, the Islamic Revolution in Iran, but it was more importantly an Islamic revolution. … All Muslims now … celebrate the revolution of Iran just because of its more of an Islamic uprising,” said an American Muslim attending the event.

http://www.presstv.ir/detail/183152.html

Such "citizens" of America have zero intention of becoming part of American culture in any sense beyond the legal sense.

They are unwelcome colonists for Islamic culture, in my opinion, and should not be living here.
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08:21 PM on 06/13/2011
I watched the video clip.

It seems like quite a leap of logic to call any of the people interviewed "colonists".

For instance, the quote rendered above has words that might sound scary to some, but the young woman who uttered them seemed (to me) to simply be "waxing enthusiastic" about her religion; I've seen and heard young Christians and Jews say similar-sounding things.

I did have the thought that some of the comments seemed fairly "anti-U.S.", considering the event happened *in* the U.S. -- but as several of us have discussed at length, before -- we're (Americans) big proponents of free speech, here.

If Free Speech is big enough to allow for Terry Jones, I'd say it's big enough to allow for Muslims who want to honor the memory of Imam Khomeini.

Am I 100% comfortable with their opinions, personally? No. Do their opinions concern me, as an example of Islamism? No.

For me, it's a bit like my feelings about (literal, actual) Socialists, or Communists, in the U.S. -- I may not agree with them, but they don't seem like a threat.

Ditto these Muslims.
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09:58 PM on 06/13/2011
Ironic isn't it, that people who even Doug sees as "anti US" break their backs to get here, to a country whose culture they seem to despise.
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09:55 PM on 06/12/2011
There has been talk here of whether it is appropriate to envision "American Islam"... some thoughts below:

There was a time not so long ago that the term "South Asian Islam" was in currency, and in fact is still utilized. This reflected what emerged for Muslims in the Indian subcontinent where Hinduism and Islam came into contact, something that did not happen elsewhere. So, in the subcontinent, the styles of dress, the traditions of song/dance, how closely one mingled with the "other" etc. were different than elsewhere.

But, then came the idea that Islam was monolithic, specifically Arabic in look and feel... but Saudi being a place which has had scant contact with any outside of its own ways. There came pressure worldwide to conform to this "Original Islam". We know the story from there...

So, it is not at all strange, or un-Islamic that there could also be an American Islam.
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Doug Sandlin
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10:14 PM on 06/12/2011
That's good to know.

I've had the impression that Islam on the sub-continent is quite a bit different than it is elsewhere, but I've never heard the term South Asian Islam, before now.

I think a lot of Muslims are resistant to the idea of (say) an "American Islam", mostly because such a term seems to imply something different to Muslims than non-Muslims --- namely an attempt to divide Islam in some way that's contrary to Islam's essential teachings (which, per what you wrote above, isn't an entirely correct perception, I'd say).

Muslims in India, and to an extent in Pakistan (I don't know much about Bangladesh, but would presume it's similar) seem to have largely adopted some of the more positive traits of Indians (which, of course, historically includes what is now Pakistan, and Bangladesh, as well), overall - politeness, relaxed open-mindedness, etc. ... that seems to often be markedly absent, for instance, among certain Muslims in the Arab world.

Obviously, per ongoing discussions, there are many exceptions to these positive qualities -- but there do seem to be some general qualities among South Asian Muslims, that are somewhat distinct, and positive.

Some people have theorized that one reason there is such a difference between American Muslims and European Muslims, is that immigrant Muslims in the U.S. are primarily South Asian, and middle-income/professional, whereas immigrant Muslims in Europe are primarily Arab/Turkish and lower-income.
Gasparilla
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10:47 PM on 06/12/2011
Wow. Open mindedness in Pakistan. A country that has laws carrying the death penalty for blasphemy and apostasy and openly oppresses the practice of other religions, even the Muslim Ahmadi sect. But obviously all that matters little to you, because you can always come up with some individual who doesn't support that.
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sandalwood
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10:55 PM on 06/12/2011
In my experience, Catholicism in India, in Mumbai and Goa mostly, is recognizably Catholicism, but also Indian in flavor. The differences from the West are outer, and not inner to any great extent, if at all.

On the one hand it is said that Islam is not monolithic, but on the other hand statements denouncing the concept of "American Islam" are also made, sometimes by the same person. I see this as a result of too much Saudi influence, the concoction of "Original Islam" as an attempt by Saudi to be "Islam's Vatican" (such statements have been made by SA officials).

I have heard Irshad Manji describe how once in a talk she gave, a zealous Saudi Muslim called her South Asian flavored Islam as 'not real Islam'. This problem will have to be sorted out. Either every Muslim in the world will be convinced/coerced to dress, think and act as Saudis, or there will be diversity of the sort I described. I'm pretty sure it won't be the former, but the road to that I cannot see clearly. Any thoughts about that?
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Tolerant
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09:02 AM on 06/13/2011
Agreed! Fav'd.
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06:51 PM on 06/12/2011
(Cont'd Part 4)

- We chose not to get any money from the Saudis, and this was before 911, and decided that it would be built exclusively through the local, private contributions. That is why it has taken so long to build the mosque, which will be ready later this summer after like 25 years of collecting funds privately from private citizens.

- Amazingly, some local Hindus and Christians and Jews have also contributed to the mosque, though their numbers are small.

- Our local Imam speaks fluent Arabic and English (with no accent). All of his Friday sermons are related to personal and collective piety and how we should be charitable.

- Every time there is a natural disaster somewhere, whether the Muslims are effected or the non-Muslims are effected, he urges us to contribute to help them out. He urges us to be charitable more when the victims are non-Muslims, as was the case in Haiti a few years ago.

I pray that these few examples will be helpful to you in understanding how I, my family and the local Muslim community live.

I didn't include examples of my wife who has many non-Muslim friends and they absolutely love her for her kind and gentle nature and how much caring she is.
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Doug Sandlin
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07:44 PM on 06/12/2011
Thanks, Tolerant.

This is an awesome, real-world overview; much appreciated.

Faved.
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Tolerant
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07:47 PM on 06/12/2011
But what I have reported in 4 parts, you won't see it on Wolf Blitzer or the O'Reilly Show or that famous guy who has a radio show, on his radio show, for it is not news.
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Tolerant
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07:57 PM on 06/12/2011
I have posted this in four parts. But there are many other examples that I did not include.

If someone can point out anything that I, my family or our local community has done in the construction of our local mosque that is discourteous to the non-Muslims or we have done anything to impose the Shari'ah on the non-Muslims or to control them, please let me know and we will try to modify our behavior and actions.

Many thanks,
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sandalwood
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08:25 PM on 06/12/2011
All that you report here, very generously at that, is completely exemplary. One can only hope that your leading by example has a broad, salutary effect. I am sure that it will, in fact. No one can have any complaints, at all.
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06:50 PM on 06/12/2011
(Cont'd Part 3)

- Since we don't have a son, we have modified the rules pertaining to my inheritence to make sure that my daughters get equal share. This is done by making a will, which overrides what the Qur`an has stated in matters of inheritence of a person after his death.

- My in-laws have two daughters and they have done the same.

- Actually, we all want to distribute our wealth to our daughters in my life-time, as my in-laws have done.

- This fairer distribution of inheritence to girls is still according to the Shari'ah except that it utilizes the injunctions pertaining to a will.

- I have always gone out with my non-Muslim friends and it doesn't bother me that I am the only one not drinking alcohol or eating pork. As a matter of fact, I have sometimes bought alcoholic drinks for my friend, and I don't consider it to be against the Shari'ah simply because keeping a friendship and peace overrides the injunction that is usually cited that a Muslim should not sit with those who are drinking.

- We have been building a mosque here locally for more than 25 years. We went through the proper purchase of the land and the zoning requirements, all according to the local laws.

(Continues to Part 4)
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Tolerant
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06:50 PM on 06/12/2011
(Cont'd Part 2)

- I would not wash my feet in the basin of the washroom and would just wipe wet fingers on my socks or shoes. I would use as little water for washing before the prayers as possible and would always wipe the counter dry.

- When I travel, I never pray with all the body movements that are required of us (bowing, prostration, etc.). I would offer my prayers sitting in a chair or the seat on the plane and the person sitting next to me would never know that I was praying. This would be out of respect for the non-Muslim traveling fellows.

- If I was not able to pray at work, I would make up the missed prayers of the day at home in the evening.

- During Ramadan, I would fast only if it wouldn't impact my work. Otherwise, I would pay money to a needy in lieu of fasting.

- I dress like everybody else and so do my wife and my daughters.

- Just like my daughters, nearly all of my friends where I live are non-Muslims and they come here as they please. We invite some of them for lunch or dinner some times.

(Continues to Part 3)