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Should DOMA Dogma Be Law?

Posted: 10/10/2011 12:48 pm

Catholic leaders are pulling out all the stops. The U.S. Council of Bishops want President Obama to "hit the restart button" on the Defense of Marriage Act (DOMA). Catholic bishops in Minnesota claim that bisexuals are going to marry both a man and a woman at the same time. In Chicago, Catholics want to discriminate and still get federal money. And everywhere, more dollars from Catholic offering plates are going to set up offices to block the marriages of loving couple -- just because they are gay, lesbian or transgender.

Bishop Timothy Dolan, head of the Catholic Bishops in the U.S., sent a letter to President Obama full of veiled threats. And like most threatening letters, the bishop's words actually pulled back the curtain on the hierarchy's not-so-veiled efforts to impose Catholic dogma on all U.S. citizens.

As the head of the Metropolitan Community Church (MCC) with churches in 40 countries, I can tell you that church dictates against gay people cause real harm, and I will not stay silent. I speak because Jesus sided with the poor and socially outcast people who were daily excoriated by the religious leaders of his day.

I can tell you that dogma that condemns people for who they are props up prejudices and gets played in arson, beatings, family rejection, suicide and job dismissal.

Thank God that the fruits of God's spirit -- love, joy, peace and patience -- emerge as homeless gay and transgender youth come home, transgender persons find a church and gay and lesbian couples marry and raise children. The MCC save lives, souls and families.

We are the families and saved lives that Bishop Dolan condemns. He predicts (threatens?) that if marriage equality is allowed, "a systemic national conflict between Church and State" will ensue. He wants the "formidable moral, economic, and coercive power" to enforce the Catholic definition of marriage.

Bishop Dolan's own words convict him as he claims that finding DOMA unconstitutional will be like comparing the Vatican's views on marriage to "intentional or willfully ignorant racial discrimination" and "ill intent or moral blindness." Dolan complains that Catholic institutions will be held accountable if they discriminate in Catholic programs receiving federal money "where civil rights laws apply -- such as employment, housing, education and adoption services, to name just a few." Really? You endorse such discrimination in social services?

To be clear, Bishop Dolan and the bishops in Minnesota and Chicago know that they are free to teach dogma in church, but they simply may not use federal tax dollars if they refuse to provide health insurance to the children of gay couples, or refuse shelter to homeless gay youth or refuse to hire transgender people as accountants, or refuse a child adoption because the parents are two women, etc.

What may pain the bishop and the Vatican deeply is that social service needs will be met by other agencies that do not discriminate.

Bishop Dolan provides dire warnings, but I say to all those who have been harmed by enforced dogma: the Christ I know went out to meet those who had been rejected. He died because he offended those who would keep the doors closed.

Bishop Dolan! Catholic officials! Listen to your people. More Catholics in the pews support marriage equality than any other Christian faith group. Bishop Dolan, hit the restart button on the Gospel. You don't have to read between the lines to know that we are called to love and serve, not judge and condemn. I call that good news.

 
 
 
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Catholic leaders are pulling out all the stops. The U.S. Council of Bishops want President Obama to "hit the restart button" on the Defense of Marriage Act (DOMA). Catholic bishops in Minnesota claim...
Catholic leaders are pulling out all the stops. The U.S. Council of Bishops want President Obama to "hit the restart button" on the Defense of Marriage Act (DOMA). Catholic bishops in Minnesota claim...
 
 
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04:24 PM on 11/08/2011
So what if the Catholic bishops are trying to " impose Catholic dogma on all U.S. citizens." Did this so-called 'Reverend' expect us not to notice? She is trying to impose dogma on all US citizens, too. Only her dogma is against DOMA.

And yes, it is imposing on all of us, since marriage by its nature is more than a pact between individuals, it is a social institution.
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thegodlessgeneration
better to embrace hard truth than reassuring fable
12:31 PM on 10/11/2011
The Catholic Church is an antiquated institution that refuses to change. In the year 2011, they still don't allow women to be priests. Instead, the all-male leadership issues opinions about marriage - something they are not even allowed to do.

Why are people still listening to these men who have no experience with marital relations or sex? It's time to stop following and it's time to start thinking. The younger generations are finally "getting it" and realizing that the Church is out-of-date and, in some cases, completely unnecessary.
04:27 PM on 11/08/2011
You have no clue what you are talking about. Why would we listen to them? How about because those priests who DO have "experience with marital relations or sex" agree with them 100%?

In case you are not aware of it, the Roman Catholic Church has always allowed Anglican converts to keep their wives AND their priesthood. Also, Eastern Rite Catholics ordain married men to the priesthood.

But here's the kicker: these groups agree with Rome's line that marriage must remain as it has always been: a pact between a man and a woman.
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MrHomerS
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11:18 AM on 10/11/2011
Rev. Wilson,

While I agree with some of the things you express, I have to point out that you are misusing the word "dogma." This seems to be very common among anti-religious people and anti-Catholics alike. There is no Catholic dogma regarding homosexuality, but there is doctrine about the matter. Dogma does not equal doctrine.
03:33 PM on 10/11/2011
In 1998, the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith discussed the category of "all those doctrines of divine and catholic faith which the Church proposes as divinely and formally revealed. . ."

Examples given:

The articles of faith of the Creed
The various Christological dogmas and Marian dogmas
The doctrine of the institution of the sacraments by Christ and their efficacy with regard to grace
The doctrine of the real and substantial presence of Christ in the Eucharist and the sacrificial nature of the eucharistic celebration
The foundation of the Church by the will of Christ
The doctrine on the primacy and infallibility of the Roman Pontiff
The doctrine on the existence of original sin
The doctrine on the immortality of the spiritual soul and on the immediate recompense after death
The absence of error in the inspired sacred texts
The doctrine on the grave immorality of direct and voluntary killing of an innocent human being.


Therefore, a dogma is a doctrine "to be believed by divine and Catholic Faith" that has been proposed by the Church to be "divinely and formally revealed."


Thus, all dogmas are doctrines, but not all doctrines are dogmas.
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12:22 PM on 10/14/2011
First of all, she is certainly not anti-religious, as the title you yourself call her by indicates; neither do I think she is necessarily anti-catholic just because she criticizes one thing.

Secondly,
dog·ma
   /ˈdɔgmə, ˈdɒg-/ Show Spelled[dawg-muh, dog-]
noun, plural dog·mas or ( Rare ) dog·ma·ta  /ˈdɔgmətə/ Show Spelled[dawg-muh-tuh]
1. an official system of principles or tenets concerning faith, morals, behavior, etc., as of a church. Synonyms: doctrine, teachings, set of beliefs, philosophy.
2. a specific tenet or doctrine authoritatively laid down, as by a church: the dogma of the Assumption; the recently defined dogma of papal infallibility. Synonyms: tenet, canon, law.
3. prescribed doctrine proclaimed as unquestionably true by a particular group: the difficulty of resisting political dogma.
4. a settled or established opinion, belief, or principle: the classic dogma of objectivity in scientific observation.
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erehwon man
don't drink the holy water!
08:39 AM on 10/11/2011
It does make one wonder why the Catholic Church wastes so much time, energy, and money in efforts to deny people such fundamental rights and privileges. It has squandered
whatever "moral authority" it had long ago, yet claims itself the final word on matters outside
it's domains.

Perhaps it sees itself under a little too much scrutiny these days? Perhaps the Bishops who
have done so little to protect the most vulnerable members of the flock find it advantageous
to create yet another distraction.

If they were so devoted to Jesus Christ wouldn't they simply accept all people as their
brothers and sisters, wether they are "members" or not? Is the concept "Live and let Live"
beyond their understanding?
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kbeth
Dear Jesus, Save us from the Christians. Amen
07:32 AM on 10/11/2011
The Catholic Church has lost the "moral high road" and a lot of credibility, with their "moral blindness" to their own problems.
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HermaO
Conservatism is intellectual laziness.
04:59 AM on 10/11/2011
Ans the Catholic Church wonders why people don't bother to go to mass anymore.
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Cindbird
03:30 AM on 10/11/2011
The Catholic Church is not required to marry a gay couple. They have the right to refuse, IN THE CONFINES OF THE CHURCH. They do NOT have the right to refuse ALL gay couples the right to marry in a civil ceremony if they so choose. They do not have the right to dictate to Non-Catholics, who, how and when they may marry. Just as they do not have the right to deny Non-Catholics the right to use birth control which is paid for by their secular insurance.

Churches do not have the right to determine what American law may say on the matter of Marriage, Divorce and Adoption. That's why the First Amendment was written, to protect us from dogmatic theological rules and laws. The Catholic Church is not the maker of law anymore.

I will stand with my gay brothers and sisters in their fight for total equality. I will stand with them as they fight for the rights I already enjoy. And I am proud of President Obama for refusing to defend DOMA any more. It is the right thing to do.
04:30 PM on 11/08/2011
You are missing the point. They do not have the right to 'determine' it, but they DO have the right to argue for their cause -- which is what they are doing. They DO have the right to ask the government to make something law, or preserve existing law, and to ask, even order their faithful to do the same.
03:11 AM on 10/11/2011
All married Christians who favour DOMA should be fed to lions if they ever commit adultery.


Sounds fair, right?
03:26 PM on 10/21/2011
What good would putting 50% of "married Christians" to death do? That's the approximate rate of infidelity among Christians.
04:31 PM on 11/08/2011
No, it does not sound fair. It sound instead like a bizarre combination of malice and puerility.
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Ioan Lightoller
Proud Married Gay Pagan Man
11:53 PM on 10/10/2011
No it should not. If you wish to follow DOMA in your personal life, great, But with all the infidelity and divorces as well as the economic stresses on families in these times, surely defending marriage would be better served by dealing with those issues rather than forbidding same sex couples legal marriage.

If the Catholic Church is getting involved in campaigns against LGBT people's right to marry...or any political issues...then their tax-exemption should be revoked. If they want to involved themselves in politics let them pay for the privilege.
11:44 PM on 10/10/2011
I think Dr. Wilson should take the pro-choice position. If you don't like the Church's stance, then don't be Catholic.

At least they're not the ones justifying socially trendy issues just to make their doctrine more palatable to the general public.
03:24 PM on 10/21/2011
Who IS "justifying socially trendy issues just to make their doctrine more palatable to the general public"? WHAT "socially trendy issue" are you referring to?
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AntithiChrist
Rhymes with Grist
10:09 PM on 10/10/2011
[Bishop Dolan] predicts (threatens?) that if marriage equality is allowed, "a systemic national conflict between Church and State" will ensue.

Like that's a bad thing? Once again, for the slow learners, the last time church and state rode in the same cart in this country they burned people at the stake.
07:18 PM on 10/10/2011
For more on Tim Dolan and DOMA Read "The Catholic Bishops and the First Amendment Song and Dance" on Indie Theology.com

http://tinyurl.com/34nz4zn
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Ioan Lightoller
Proud Married Gay Pagan Man
03:09 AM on 10/11/2011
Fanned and faved. Thank you for posting this. Nice to know that a lot of Catholics support us. Great statement.
ThinkCreeps
Seriously, it's time.
06:04 PM on 10/10/2011
Good for you.

But if Dolan wants a fight, bring it on.
There's a lot of angry former children who would happily not take him prisoner.
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lrobb
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03:40 PM on 10/10/2011
What a surprise. A liberal Protestant clergyperson neither understands or sympathizes with Catholic teaching. Taken to its logical conclusion, she would re-institute the Ulster brigades.

In America we have freedom of religion not freedom from religion. For centuries Catholic hospitals have been treating the indigent, Catholic Charities have been succoring the poor and Catholic schools have been teaching both citizens and immigrants with excellent results.

You may now bring up documented abuses of children. Because of the sheer size and scope of the Catholic church the number of abused children is far, far higher than any abused by other denominations. This is strictly a numbers thing. Who is going to sue the judgment-proof pastor of a rural out-of-the mainstream sect with 200 followers in three counties who abused seven children? (Reported in the local paper two months ago.)

Frankly, I think the US should start funding results not ideology. If a Mormon or Catholic program is successful, by all means throw money at it. If not--stop.

But what do I know? I am a Spanish/Irish Atheist who prefers common sense to political correctness.
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angelcakesinc
Tolerance of intolerance is intolerable
07:55 PM on 10/10/2011
Actually freedom OF religion is only possible with freedom FROM religion. That is to say, for everyone to be free to practice their religion as they see fit NO religion may impose its rules on the country. How can the people of one religion worship freely if they are forced to observe the rules of another? The only way to avoid that is to keep religion out of the government entirely!
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lrobb
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03:49 AM on 10/11/2011
There is a huge difference between funding a successful program which is already serving the community and allowing a religion to inflict its ideology on people who would be offended by it.

Common sense dictates that anyone working for a program or institution sponsored by a particular church follow the rules laid down by that church. Since children have no choice about attending, I can appreciate why prayer is not allowed in public school. However, if you are in or work for a Salvation Army program, be prepared for some serious prayer.

All Habitat for Humanity days on site begin with a prayer because it is sponsored by churches where I live. This doesn't keep me from volunteering on the painting crew.
08:38 PM on 10/10/2011
Good for them, but if they are using tax dollars to fund those ventures then they lose the option to discriminate. The church can preach anything it likes, and it can deny services to anyone it chooses when it's using it's own money. That ends the moment you add tax dollars into the mix. By the by, I wouldn't consider their standards for adoption a success if it means kids go unadopted because the church disapproves of a potential family's religious beliefs
01:53 PM on 10/10/2011
Actually there is NO dogma in the Catholic Church on this subject. NO DOGMA, means that church teaching CAN change. Someday in the future we will hear from the pulpits...As our church has always taught, families are the center of society, and that will include our gay families. (Not coming soon, but eventually ... I have faith)
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Mindy Czech
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02:12 PM on 10/10/2011
My family is Catholic, and I went to a memorial mass with them for my grandfather and step grandfather. At the end of the service, the priest (who is a canon lawyer) said that the bishop wanted him to read an essay that was written to try and persuade people to be against civil unions/domestic partnerships. He told the congregation that he was against what the bishop was saying, that he was refusing to read it, and if they wanted to read it themselves that it was in the bulletin for that week. I thought that was so awesome, for one of the most respected and powerful priests in the area to come out in favor of gay rights like that. It was then that I understood why my family chose that church- it wasn't the 35 minute masses, it was the love and acceptance this priest showed for everyone.

I also remember him telling us that you don't have to be Christian to get into heaven. He was disgusted by the idea that someone like Ghandi could go to hell because of his beliefs, despite the great things he did. He said that as long as you are a good, loving, charitable person, you are living a Christ-like life and it doesn't matter which religion you do or do not follow.
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Ioan Lightoller
Proud Married Gay Pagan Man
12:07 AM on 10/11/2011
Good for that priest! More priests and laity who feel this way need to stand up to the hierarchy. This priest is truly onr of the good ones. God/dess bless him.
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11:34 PM on 10/10/2011
Good thing you ended with "I have faith", because otherwise I was going to ask what you based all that on.