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Traveling the Nicene Road

Posted: 06/30/11 06:20 PM ET

Traveling is an addiction for me. I love going to see new places, eat new foods and talk to new people. If left to my own devices, I probably would be a nomad, minus the tent and camel.

One of the things I love about traveling is that it helps me to examine my own life from a different perspective. That's hardly a new idea. A person could start their own bookstore from all the "traveltofindmyself" books of the past fifty years. It's amazing how new lives are just a publisher paid plane ride away.

My travel navel takes a different spin. I don't travel to find myself. I already know who I am. I travel to add experiences and thoughts I might not get sitting on my butt in front of a TV. It enables me to see my life from a bird's eye perspective and really examine my life with all its inconsistencies and failings.

One of the things I think about on the road is my Christian faith. I ask myself what I believe, why do I believe it, and how does it filter into my life? I have heard fellow Christians say it's about the journey, and not the destination. Because of how I feel when I travel, I can say this only partially true.

Sure, I love the journey, but I also love coming home for rest. I need a starting point and destination, somewhere to begin and to end. I don't want to keep sleeping in hotels or sitting around in airports. I like to get somewhere.

As I travel and think about my faith, I always try to strip down my basic beliefs. When I do, I keep coming back to the creed churches all over the world recite every Sunday. You can hear this creed in every language imaginable and the story of this creed is one worth hearing.

The Nicene Creed is the statement that nearly all Christians accept as the summation of what we believe. The past few years, the Nicene Creed has gotten a bad rap personified in Dan Brown's "The Da Vinci Code." The story goes something like this, the Nicene Creed was written by a bunch of pampered, privileged white men seeking to oppress the learned Gnostics who accepted women and who were the enlightened sages of their time. Further, Constantine wanted to consolidate his power through the church and forced them to take the "orthodox".

This makes for a rollicking novel, but there is not one bit of truth in it. The church fathers who made their way to Nicea could hardly be called privileged, pampered white men. Many of them bore the scars of the Diocletian persecution, the last, great Empire wide hunting down of Christians. Some of them had missing arms, eyeballs, or other various scars from their torture at the hands of Roman officials. Very few of them could be considered "White Europeans". In fact, many of them came from Asia, Africa and the Middle East. The issue they came to settle had nothing to do with Gnosticism at all.

The main issue being addressed came from Bishop Arius and his belief there was a time Christ didn't exist, that God the Father actually created him. Gnosticism had died the slow death of neglect before the council because of its secretive, elitist beliefs.

As for Constantine, from what we can tell historically, he sympathized with Arius' position. His successors to the throne certainly took the Arians side as they persecuted Bishops who accepted the findings of the Nicean council.

Why all the hate directed towards the Nicean writers? I think it comes from that we prefer our history clear cut and with out gray areas. I had this thought as I stood outside Independence Hall in Philadelphia. Past generations came to this place in hushed whispers and reverence. They idolized the founding fathers and ignored their horrific attitude towards slavery. We Americans made them into flawless heroes because that's what we needed to believe about ourselves.

Now, it's popular to go in the other direction. The popular opinion on the founding fathers is they were amoralisitc slave holders who only broke with England for financial gain. They gave us nothing and should be held in deep suspicion because of their glaring shortcomings. At least, that's how the modern story goes.

As I wandered Independence Hall, I realized that neither point of view gave us the right picture of the founding fathers. These men did great things and they did terrible things. They gave us the greatest governing document of human history while some of them held their fellow human beings in bondage. Those that did have slaves started grasping the contradiction, but they didn't have the moral courage it took to free their slaves. In this, they did a horrible thing.

However, that document they created, the Constitution, turned out to be greater than themselves. The Constitution implanted the idea of human freedom into the American system. Once it implanted, slavery was doomed. Human liberty would win out even if we had to fight a bloody civil war and the Civil Rights movement to get it done.

I realized at that moment the Nicean Fathers have suffered the same fate. Yes, they often had terrible views on women. Yes, they often persecuted other Christians for no reason. Yes, they often terribly abused their position of power and influence. Yes, they were sinners.

And yet, they gave Christians one of our most beautiful and enduring statements of faith. They gave us a creed to hang our hat on while things seemed confused and dark. They gave us the truth of Christianity that all Christians should believe. Even more, they told us, again, the story of God's redemption of the world through His son.

As I walked away from Independence Hall, I reflected how often God takes our messes and makes beautiful things. He uses broken people to tell beautiful stories and give us ideas bigger than ourselves.

 
 
 

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08:15 PM on 07/04/2011
My problem with the Creed is that it jumps from "born of the Virgin Mary" to "suffered under Pontius Pilate." It completely leaves out the life, teachings,miracles, sermons, parables and compassion Jesus showed to all of mankind in His day.
08:40 PM on 07/04/2011
Your point is more in line with the Apostle's Creed, a simplification of the Nicene Creed. The Nicene Creed has a bit more depth and is more beautiful. But any Creed cannot possibly include all the works of Christ and the reasons we believe in them.
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03:38 PM on 07/03/2011
The Nicene Creed is the central tenant of the Christian faith. Arianism and Gnosticism were rejected because of their requirement for special and secret knowledge necessary for salvation and a denial of the divinity of Christ. The Bishops at Nicea rejected these heresies by about a 99% vote.
05:18 PM on 07/02/2011
I appreciate the apparent intent of Rev. Wyer. However, I heartily disagree with some of his conclusions.

Regarding the Nicen Creed, one is not necessarily hateful if one rejects the Nicene Creed as myth. In fact, the very words of Jesus of Nazareth contradict the Nicene Creed.

Jesus said the Lord God Jehovah is our spiritual parent and his. He said "God is greater than I," and "You have not heard God's voice or seen God's shape at any time." And he did not say he would come again. In fact, he said he had to "go away and be seen no more," but another would come to issue judgment, guide us unto the truth, show us things to come, and glorify the Christ who is in heaven with God.

Christians should not believe in the Nicene Creed because it ignores the truth and makes Jesus an idol, as God "Himself," which goes totally against what Jesus said, and against what is written in Isaiah 40:18, Isaiah 40:25, Isaiah 42:8, and Isaiah 46:5, and other books of the Old Testament. It is a doctrine of men, which Jesus warned against.

Regarding the Founding Fathers, of course they were men of their times, and imperfect. But they did something great, and they intended to establish freedom of religion. But Americans who believe in the Nicene Creed and use it to justify their quest for political power violate the intent of the Founding Fathers. See http://messenger.cjcmp.org/newdeclaration.html
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01:13 AM on 07/03/2011
"And he did not say he would come again. In fact, he said he had to "go away and be seen no more,"

John 14:3 And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again, and receive you unto myself; that where I am, there ye may be also..
03:33 PM on 07/03/2011
Dear Gal416,

I'm sorry, but Jesus did not actually say he would come again in person in this world. Jesus said he had to go away and be seen no more on earth (John 8:28, John 12:47 and John 16:7-15), and his coming would be in the spiritual realm, so that “where I am, you may be also.” (John 14:3)

John 14:3 does not mean a "second coming" in person. Jesus said: "God will give you another Counselor to be with you forever— the Spirit of truth. The world cannot accept him, because it neither sees him nor knows him. But you will know him, for he lives with you and will be in you. I will not leave you as orphans. I will come to you. Before long, the world will not see me anymore, but you will see me. ... On that day you will realize that I am in God, and you are in me, and I am in you." (John 14:16-20)

In other words, we can realize our oneness with the Spirit of truth who is within us, our oneness with the Christ, who is in heaven with God, and our oneness with God.

See the following articles:
http://messenger.cjcmp.org/prophecies.html
http://messenger.cjcmp.org/christianity.html
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11:34 PM on 07/01/2011
"Even more, they told us, again, the story of God's redemption of the world through His son".

the idea that the world needs redemption is judging by appearances. seek the underlying reality of those appearances and there you will find that "god" you worship. that god is not your father or mother nor your friend nor will that god judge you nor is that god made in the image of man.

as far as an only son, all are expressions of the infinite, no exceptions; yes even hitler and those like him, nothing exists outside of infinite. how could it; it is infinite without boundaries.

oh to find one christian that has understanding of the concept of infinite, just one.
10:04 PM on 07/01/2011
"The Nicene Creed is the statement that nearly all Christians accept....." oh, come on now. I doubt if 10% of professing Christians could explain it or the circumstances surrounding its composition. The only churches I know that still use it regularly are those that are slaves to tradition. In the Methodist church in my upstate New York home town it is used maybe once a year, on Pentecost or Trinity Sunday, if that.

The Nicene Creed is a prime example of theology run amok, and what happens when church and state get in bed together. The whole distinction between "same substance" and "like substance" is pretentious nonsense. "Substance" makes sense when referring to corporeal entities, not to God. This is not to say the Arians were correct and the Orthodox bishops wrong, or vice versa. The problem was that they even let themselves be consumed by such thinking, instead of concentrating on being the face of Christ to the world, which is the church's true mission.
TomMartin
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09:56 PM on 06/30/2011
The Nicene creed is not beautiful, but divisive. Even today many Christians accuse Arian-type Christians of being in dangerous cults.
11:01 PM on 06/30/2011
Is not truth itself "divisive"? If the Nicene creed is accurate, then it would be divisive to those who oppose it.
02:04 AM on 07/03/2011
Any message of unity is ultimately divisive...
08:53 PM on 06/30/2011
It has served you well, this myth of christ!
03:23 PM on 07/01/2011
What is the point of this comment? Is the the appropriate forum to discuss the validity of belief? Are you contributing in the intellectual discourse and spiritual insight proffered by this article, or are you simply spouting off inane ramblings of biased opinion?