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What Was the Real Sin of Sodom?

Posted: 04/20/10 05:30 PM ET

To many anti-gay Christians, I'm nothing more than a "sodomite" who is damned for all eternity. It doesn't matter that I've spent the last decade immersed in the Bible, ancient biblical languages, and the Christian theological tradition. It doesn't matter that I've dedicated my life to preaching, teaching, and ministering to all people, including the lesbian, gay, bisexual, and transgender (LGBT) community. The simple fact that I'm an openly gay man makes all of that irrelevant. To anti-gay Christians, God's destruction of Sodom and Gomorrah in chapter 19 of the Book of Genesis is a warning to people like me.

Ironically, I believe that these anti-gay Christians actually have it backwards. The true sin of the Sodomites as described in the Bible has nothing to do with same-sex acts per se. Rather, the ancient Sodomites were punished by God for far greater sins: for attempted gang rape, for mob violence, and for turning their backs on strangers and the needy who were in their midst. In other words, the real sin of Sodom was radical inhospitality. And, ironically, it is often anti-gay Christians who are most guilty of this sin today.

The biblical story of Sodom and Gomorrah begins when two angels, disguised as travelers, arrive at the gates of Sodom. They meet Lot, a relative newcomer to the city, who insists that they spend the night in his house. The other men of Sodom learn about the two strangers in their midst. In contrast to Lot's gracious hospitality, which includes preparing a feast for his guests, the men surround Lot's house and demand that he turn over his guests so that they may "yada" them (Genesis 19:5). Anti-gay Christians have interpreted this Hebrew word narrowly to mean "to have sex with" and thus have interpreted the sin of Sodom as nothing more than engaging in same-sex acts, as opposed to "rape" or "molestation."

Interestingly, most people don't realize that Biblical translators do not agree on how to translate yada into English. Of the 983 times that yada appears in the Hebrew Bible, it literally means "to know" at least 973 (that is, 98.9 percent) of those times. Indeed, the King James Version (KJV), the English Standard Version (ESV), and the New Revised Standard Version (NRSV) all use the more literal word "know" in Genesis 19:5. By contrast, the New International Version (NIV) uses the phrase "have sex," the New American Standard Bible (NASB) uses "have relations with," and the New American Bible (NAB) uses "have intimacies with."

I am not criticizing the NIV, NASB, and NAB for making explicit the sexual meaning of the word yada. After all, the same word is used by Lot a few verses later when he offers up his daughters to the men of Sodom. What I am saying, however, is that translation is not simply a matter of reading a Hebrew word and plugging in a corresponding English word from the dictionary. If that were the case, there would be no need to love God with our minds in addition to our hearts and souls. In my view, a much more accurate -- and responsible -- translation for yada in the NIV, NASB, and NAB would be "to rape" or "to molest," since the acts described in Genesis 19:5 have nothing to do with consensual or loving sex.

To continue the story, Lot offers up his virgin daughters to appease the angry mob (which, by the way, is highly problematic and is rarely addressed by anti-gay Christians), but the men of Sodom turn down Lot's offer and try to storm Lot's house. At this point, the angelic visitors blind the men of Sodom so that they are unable to find the door. The next morning, the visitors whisk away Lot, his wife, and his two daughters right before God destroys Sodom and its neighboring town Gomorrah with sulfur and fire from the heavens. Despite being warned not to look back, Lot's wife cannot help herself and is therefore turned into a pillar of salt.

To me, it is clear that the real sin of Sodom is radical inhospitality, or turning one's back upon the strangers and the neediest in our midst. Rather than welcoming traveling sojourners into their homes and feeding them, the men of Sodom wanted to gang rape them and exert their power over them. (In fact, gang rape is precisely what happens to the unnamed concubine in Judges 19, which is the parallel story to Sodom and Gomorrah in the Hebrew Bible.)

In fact, the Bible itself expressly describes the sin of Sodom elsewhere as radical inhospitality. According to the prophet Ezekiel, the real "guilt" of the Sodomites was the fact that, although they had "pride, excess of food, and prosperous ease," they "did not aid the poor and needy" and were "haughty" (Ezekiel 16:49-50). Similarly, the Letter to the Hebrews warns Christians by alluding to the true sin of the Sodomites as inhospitality: "Do not neglect to show hospitality to strangers, for by doing that some have entertained angels without knowing it" (Hebrews 13:2).

Even St. Jerome, the distinguished fourth-century Doctor of the Church, biblical translator, and author of the Vulgate Bible, described the primary sin of Sodom as "pride, bloatedness, the abundance of all things, leisure and delicacies." (See "Commentaria in Hiezechielem" 5.16.48-51, as translated by Mark D. Jordan in The Invention of Sodomy in Christian Theology [Chicago: University of Chicago Press, 1997], at 33 n.11.)

(I recognize that some readers may point to the reference to Sodom and Gomorrah in Jude 7 as a counterargument to my reading of Genesis 19. However, the Greek text in that passage, "sarkos heteras," literally means "strange" or "other" flesh, which I believe refers to the divine, or other-worldly, nature of the angelic visitors. In other words, the Sodomites' desire to rape God's angels is akin to the transgressions of the mysterious "sons of God" in Genesis 6 who copulated with human females and thus led to the Great Flood in Genesis 7.)

It should be no surprise that radical inhospitality was a sin of the first-order magnitude in the Ancient Near East. Taking care of the sojourner or traveler in the midst of a hostile desert environment often meant the difference between life and death. According to ancient Jewish texts, such as the Babylonian Talmud and the Genesis Rabba, the inhabitants of Sodom were infamous for their cruelty and their failure to support the poor and the needy in their midst, as well as their failure to practice charity and justice. Extra-biblical stories included the Sodomites' physical torture of travelers as well as their burning of a young woman who had dared to share food with a family that was starving of hunger. This is in stark contrast to Lot's radical hospitality, or the radical hospitality of Abraham and Sarah to the three disguised angels who visit them in Genesis 18, the chapter that immediately precedes the Sodom and Gomorrah narrative.

So, who are the real Sodomites today? Who are the people who turn their backs on the strangers and the least among us? Ironically, I believe that anti-gay Christians are often the ones who are most guilty of committing the true sin of Sodom. These include the Roman Catholic cardinals and bishops who are trying to scapegoat LGBT people for the horrific crimes of child rape that were committed by their brother priests. These also include the Mormon leaders who are secretly funding campaigns to fight marriage equality for LGBT people, despite the fact that their founders practiced polygamy. Finally, these include anti-gay politicians and self-appointed "family values" advocates who insist that LGBT people are categorically unfit to serve as parents or judges (because they are sinners and morally flawed), but are too blind to see their own sins and moral flaws.

The bottom line is that nowhere in the Bible does Jesus Christ ever condemn LGBT people. However, Jesus does expressly condemn people who turn their backs on strangers and on those who are the neediest among us. In the Gospel according to Matthew, Jesus says that whoever fails to welcome such people has failed to welcome Jesus himself (Matthew 25:43). In my view, the anti-gay religious leaders, politicians, and "family values" advocates who turn their backs on LGBT people should spend far less time obsessing about LGBT people and far more time thinking about the true sin of Sodom: radical inhospitality.

 
 
 

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To many anti-gay Christians, I'm nothing more than a "sodomite" who is damned for all eternity. It doesn't matter that I've spent the last decade immersed in the Bible, ancient biblical languages, and...
To many anti-gay Christians, I'm nothing more than a "sodomite" who is damned for all eternity. It doesn't matter that I've spent the last decade immersed in the Bible, ancient biblical languages, and...
 
 
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07:40 AM on 05/01/2010
"The King will reply, 'I tell you the truth, whatever you did for one of the least of these brothers of mine, you did for me.'" Moral? Don't be a dick to Jesus.
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Disciple1
To err is human;To disagree with me is ignorant.
11:37 AM on 05/01/2010
" ..Don't be a dick to Jesus." Crassly put, yet I'm sure you wanted to convey a deeper, more profound point-of-view related to this article. Care to expound? I'd love to hear your full opinion.
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04:21 PM on 05/01/2010
Now, now. Lying is a sin. I think everyone here knows you have no interest in any opinion but your own. If you did, you'd understand exactly what he was trying to say.
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09:29 PM on 04/30/2010
This is the most congealed and pretentious accumulation of "bull puckey" that i have ever read. The heresy is that you profess to be a Christian and openly admit to sinning without repentence. I don't castigate or judge you, I am simply observing and evaluating what I read and hear. To reconstitute and then reproduce an utterly made-up evaluation of why God REALLY brought His wrath upon the Sodomites is totally outrageous, self-serving and without scriptural foundation. It amounts to an opinion that has as much credence as sticking one's hand out an open window on a sunny day and predicting rain by nightfall. This is the stuff of false prophets and charlatans. The scriptures are God-breathed and are not subject to heretical refiguration to fit your argument. Dr. Chang, I don't hate you, despise you or wish harm on those whose lifestyle is also an abomination to God. However, you are an insult to the Good name of our Lord and Savior and will remain as He wills.
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11:38 PM on 04/30/2010
So who is the model child of God in this story? Lot? The one who offered his daughters up to be gang raped and then got drunk and slept with them himself? Is he the hero in a story about how gay people are bad? I can imagine the ending scene, with Lot laying there with a daughter under each arm smokin' a camel, and God smiling down saying "glad we got those gay guys - you're ma boy Lot." I love God and I can;t see him in this comic book. Sorry.
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12:40 AM on 05/01/2010
" I love God and I can;t see him in this comic book." You have no idea who God is. If you did know him, you would clearly see that denouncing His Word is antithetical to actually LOVING Him. Ask for His forgiveness, because you are confused beyond description. I am also "sorry"--that you are lost and seem to delight in the darkness.
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12:30 AM on 05/01/2010
Yes...how DARE we look to the other Biblical references to Sodom for an answer to this question...how DARE we look at linguistics, cultural history, historical ethical practices and - y'know - FACTS for answers. You've TOTALLY convinced me that I should look to a book filled with contradiction and mistakes to understand the unknowable. I will go right out and get a lobotomy. Which church should I join so I know I won't go to the scary place?
06:11 AM on 04/26/2010
"Lost In Truncation"

This article proports that the sin of Sodom was something other than homosexuallity, ...'inhospitality' being suggested. To support this idea, Dr. Cheng posted *in*part, a Scripture from Ezekiel;

[Rev. Dr. Cheng wrote:] "In fact, the Bible itself expressly describes the sin of Sodom elsewhere as radical inhospitality. According to the prophet Ezekiel, the real "guilt" of the Sodomites was the fact that, although they had "pride, excess of food, and prosperous ease," they "did not aid the poor and needy" and were "haughty" (Ezekiel 16:49-50)."

Trouble is- Dr. Cheng ommitted the most revealing part of Ezekiel's text. Here it is in it's entirety;

Behold, this was the iniquity of thy sister Sodom, pride, fulness of bread, and abundance of idleness was in her and in her daughters, neither did she strengthen the hand of the poor and needy.
And they were haughty, and committed abomination before me: therefore I took them away as I saw good. (Ezekiel 16:49-50 KJV)

From the stranded "haughty", God continued that these men of Sodom "committed abomination before me" ...for that reason He destroyed them. The word translated "abomination" is the Hebrew H8441 'toebah toebah' ...disgusting, abhorrence, and is probably duplicated to stress the point. It is the same word from the well known Leviticus 18:22, so clear in meaning- that I rarely mention it.

Don't be fooled, Homosexuallity was the sin of Sodom for which it faced total devastation. And Repentance is the gift of God. --ms
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07:06 AM on 04/26/2010
Or maybe their abomination is that they ate shellfish while being inhospitible pricks. Or maybe they wore clothes of two different textiles, or grew two crops in one field? That's the danger of taking a thing literally when you don't acutally read the original language.

But hey, keep on hating for your man-made god. Don't small things like logic, compassion or reason stop you.
11:17 AM on 04/26/2010
@zinderel
As unsearchable in Glory, Power, Wisdom, and Strength, that God is; He has stated in His word, through the Prophet Isaiah, that He is all in favor of reasoning with Mankind;

Isaiah 1:18-20 KJV
(18) Come now, and let us reason together, saith the LORD: though your sins be as scarlet, they shall be as white as snow; though they be red like crimson, they shall be as wool.
(19) If ye be willing and obedient, ye shall eat the good of the land:
(20) But if ye refuse and rebel, ye shall be devoured with the sword: for the mouth of the LORD hath spoken it.
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09:54 PM on 04/30/2010
Why are you here on this site? Atheists are well-known for your position of disbelief;there is no need to elaborate or pontificate for our benefit. You hate God. You reject Christ. You are the penultimate (i.e., the Bible predicts a worse species of "you" to come later) replica of your own universe. Now, why not depart to your den of reclusion where you are most comfortable and spew venom in concert with others of your ilk. Wouldn't you be more at ease? Because, whether you acknowledge it or not, you do have a "god" that watches over you and is pleased with your conduct. This is he that rules the powers of the air. May God have mercy on your soul as well as those who "disbelieve" as you do.
12:08 AM on 04/24/2010
As much as what the man said, Sodom etc.'s problem was exactly that: failing to be willing to welcome and keep safe the visitors to the home and community. It is a near eastern common thought for Jewish and Muslim folks both, and to this day, that the Almighty wants one to welcome the traveller. Thus the sin in the town is the folks harassing and threatening the guests. There is earlier in the Bible a similar occasion involving Sodom, in which the obligation to the visitor, the guest, is stressed. Sex is not the problem in those cases.
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06:29 AM on 04/23/2010
*A Rebroadcast* ( from Sin/Closet/Grace/Out ...edited)

In these paragraphs the suggestion is made by the article's author that those men of Sodom,
who surrounded the house of Lot demanding that the two Angels who had come there be brought
out that they might "know" them... means something *other than bringing them out to have homosexual intercourse with. Presumably, the thought follows that God's judgment of Sodom was for some other reason, and that homosexual activity is- ok.

The above notion is not only wrong, but it is *irresponsibly wrong, because it serves to lead those who are actually seeking God's truth (in reading His word the Bible) away from realization and repentance. How wrong?

The context of *any Biblical scripture is important in determining truth, and what follows *immediately after the demands of the men of Sodom, is Lot's response to them in Genesis 19:7&8. There, Lot states that;
A) what these men intended on doing was a "wicked" act, and
B) Lot offered these men his two virgin daughters for sex (indicated also by the Hebrew word
"yada") in lieu of their demand for the men visiting his home.
C) These same men *rejected Lot's daughters... and then attempted to sexually assault Lot, himself
proving homosexual intent.

This context shows that homosexual activity *was the goal of the men who surrounded Lot's
house, and is the only example given of the sin of Sodom.”

--ms
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07:29 PM on 04/23/2010
And yet, an actual understanding of Hebrew as a language, coupled with a cursory insight into cultural mores at the time shows that the odds were that - IF this story actually happened, which is as doubtful as Adam, Eve and the Snake - not only the men, but the women as well were clamoring for violence against these outsiders, thanks to the old Hebrew manner of referring to any group with even a few male members with the masculine version of the word in question. If you want to sdeek God's truth, that's fine. But God's truth doesn't include hating people for who they are (Love thy neighbor as thyself, anyone?), judging people as sinners yourself (A right exclusively held by God, in the Christian Faith), affecting laws and statutes to exclude or deny rights to people you don't like (Render unto "Caesar what is Caesar's", a rather clear quote from Jesus calling for separation of church and state), and generally making an ass out of Christianity by acting the uneducated, pompous fool in public (Read the entirety of Matthew 6).

Seek truth with an open, logical mind, not a mind closed by the teachings of flawed men from a flawed book written by flawed men.

"Question with boldness even the existence of a god; because if there be one he must approve of the homage of reason more than that of blindfolded fear. "
-Thomas Jefferson, letter to Peter Carr, August 10, 1787
05:09 AM on 04/24/2010
1. An embarrassing, simplex ploy, cheapening and exposing the weakness of an argument (i.e ..."odds are") by without foundation accusing someone of hating for faithfully representing God's word and in context.

2. Who is it that loves those engaged in this subject practice more? We who would warn them, caring about the eternal estate of their very souls? ... or those who would coddle this particular lust of the flesh, twisting God's scripture so that the one light they would have to guide them to salvation, is hidden?

--ms
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GDWhiteman
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06:25 PM on 04/22/2010
My follow Christians: are you going to be accepting and loving of homosexuals as the neighbor that you're to love as yourself when you get to heaven? Frankly I suspect that you won't even get there if you're not up to that. But let's say you are. Since you're going to eventually, what are you waiting for?
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GDWhiteman
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02:26 PM on 04/23/2010
What? No takers?
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zinderel
09:44 PM on 04/23/2010
From reading your posts, GD, I have to say, I respect you a great deal. I have known MANY "Christians" in my days on this earth. Nearly all of them were petty back-biters, judgemental prigs, and anything but Chris-like, and only a few were rational, compassionate, TRULY Christian individuals. I can only wish and hope that more "Christians" wake up and look at their faith like you seem to.
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09:44 PM on 04/23/2010
Erf...that should have been "Christ-like"....dang inability to edit posts...
04:18 PM on 04/22/2010
Summary of conclusions by the Rev. Dr. Cheng:

Dr. Cheng asks: "So, who are the real Sodomites today?"

Then he answers his own question:

"...anti-gay Christians..."

"Roman Catholic cardinals and bishops"

"Mormon leaders"

"the anti-gay religious leaders, politicians, and "family values" advocates".

If this is tolerance as preached by the very Rev. Dr. Cheng, what does intolerance look like?
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05:16 PM on 04/22/2010
"Unlimited tolerance must lead to the disappearance of tolerance. If we extend unlimited tolerance even to those who are intolerant, if we are not prepared to defend a tolerant society... then the tolerant will be destroyed, and tolerance with them... We should therefore claim, in the name of tolerance, the right not to tolerate the intolerant."
— Karl Popper

If the religious will not stop preaching hatred and intolerance from the pulpit and the streetcorner, riling up the masses in fits of rage against the strangers - those who are different from themselves - in their land, then we have absolutely no reason whatsoever to tolerate them any longer, and we SHOULD speak out freely and openly against the true sodomites.
05:40 PM on 04/22/2010
I appreciate Dr. Popper's statement, in that we are fools if we let the intolerant run amok.

My point is that the very Rev. Dr. Cheng, and now you, paint with a pretty wide stroke when you condemn anti-gay Christians (can't say I know any, maybe they exist), Roman Catholic cardinals and bishops, Mormon leaders, and anti-gay religious leaders, politicians, and "family values" advocates".

Principled people can take a stand against the practice and promotion of homosexuality without being intolerant. Indeed, such may have been exactly what Karl Popper was advocating. However, it is quite intolerant to stereotype people into negative groups and behaviors when they disagree with you.

Does it concern you that the Sodomites were apparently simultaneously homosexual and unkind to strangers? Could there be a correlation there? What if unrepentant self-indulgence, whether it be homosexuality, gluttony, whatever, and inhospitality were what brought the wrath of God?

The point is, trying to justify one sinful behavior and condemning another is probably not persuasive to the powers of heaven. Whether marital infidelity, or homosexuality, or unkind behavior to strangers, the list is long and tedious, these are all things we should repent of.
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02:02 PM on 04/22/2010
Dr. Cheng,
I'd be very interested to read what you have to say about the other Biblical references pertaining to homosexuality as mentioned in the comments below. This seems to be a cyclical battle raised by anti-gay believers. While you have their attention, perhaps you might write on those too?
Also, what is the importance of proscriptions against say, eating shell fish versus gay sex? Since both are "abominations", is one more than the other? Same as for the 10 Commandments, none of which mention homosexuality; does that mean homosexuality is less a sin than adultery, lying, stealing?
Thanks.
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01:51 PM on 04/22/2010
LOL "yada"
Ironic that it should cause such a fuss!
01:13 PM on 04/22/2010
Thank you for that fantastic exegesis.
10:54 AM on 04/22/2010
1 Corinthians 6:9-11 (New International Version)

9Do you not know that the wicked will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor male prostitutes nor homosexual offenders

Leviticus 18:18-26 (New International Version)
21 " 'Do not give any of your children to be sacrificed [a] to Molech, for you must not profane the name of your God. I am the LORD.

22 " 'Do not lie with a man as one lies with a woman; that is detestable.

Romans 1:26 (New International Version)

26Because of this, God gave them over to shameful lusts. Even their women exchanged natural relations for unnatural ones.


Even if the sin of Sodom and Gomorrah was not homosexuality, both the new testament and the Old testament are clear about homosexuality. Sins can be forgiven, but there has to be regret for the sin and you have to ask for forgiveness in sincerity. This is not the case with homosexuality, it is a lifestyle and there is no regret or asking for forgiveness.

With that being said, I used to be Christian, but this is one of many reasons I am not anymore. I have come to realize that this is programmed into their genes and it is not a choice. God programmed homosexuality into them, then punish them for it, which is totally unfair and inconsistent with the God that I knew.
02:16 PM on 04/22/2010
In 1 Cor, the terms used for homosexuals are also under debate. One very possible translation is "male prostitutes" and "users of male prostitutes" or "johns."

I'm not certain about Romans. I haven't read up on that passage. However both of these are letter from Paul, right? And Paul never met Jesus. He just says he is inspired by Jesus and god. Many modern nutjobs say the same thing.

As for Lev: a more direct translation would be "a man should not lie with another man IN THE BED of a woman." A weird phrase indeed, but I think it might mean, "If you are married (and thus sleep in a woman's bed), do not sleep with other men." It's essentially saying that homosexual sex is still adultery, and adultery is wrong.
05:04 PM on 04/22/2010
I think that in Corinthinans that they were talking about male prostution as well as homosexuals that are not prostitutes. Eventhough there may be translational errors in the Bible, the penalty for homosexuality was death, which leads me to think that we are not not being led astray by mistranslations.
In addition, if you are a fundamentalist, then you believe that the Bible IS the word of God. That makes everything that Paul says the absolute truth.
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GDWhiteman
Christian mystic iconoclast
06:22 PM on 04/22/2010
The Romans citation ends with "all lust not love" - using others as sexual objects with love. Homosexuality is incidental.

Same goes for the Cor 6 citation.

If you're a Christian, the Jewish "holiness codes" from Lev can go in the garbage. We're not trying to be proper Jews 4,000 years ago.
09:50 AM on 04/23/2010
Jesus said himself that he did not come to change the laws of the prophets. God, himself in Leviticus said that homosexuality was detestable. That is why I posted it. There is no other conclusion that you can come up with, unless God changes his mind.
10:08 AM on 04/23/2010
I forgot to add, if you feel that Leviticus can go in the garbage just because you don't like it, then what about other books? Who would be the judge of good books and bad books? You?Why is Leviticus even in the Bible in the first place if it serves no purpose?
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10:05 AM on 04/22/2010
"Rather, the ancient Sodomites were punished by God for far greater sins: for attempted gang rape" -- Cheng


When one thinks about it, "gang rape" is exactly what religion does. It begins when you are a baby, baptized in the blood of Jesus, or other religious nonsense. Your head is filled with the violence of the scriptures, filled with doctrines and scriptures of discrimination, prejudice, insanity. You grow to believe that it is true because there is no one to tell you that it is not.

When is the bible telling the truth and when is it not. Is the talking snake real, or a metaphor, allegory?

Is the talking donkey real?

Did a man really get swallowed by a whale only to be spit out on the other side?

When is it metaphor, myth, legend, folk tales and when is it not?

Who gets to decide?

Does Patrick Cheng get to decide because he has studied it, or because he has a few letters attached to his name?

Gang rape is what the modern day religious do to people they don't like; homosexuals.

Gang rape is poisoning the mind of others against men, women, and children; calling them sinners, despots, sending them to live in hell....................a very sometimes thing that exists right here on earth for those who have incurred the wrath of religion.
06:53 AM on 04/22/2010
Dear Rev. Dr. Cheng,
Amid the huge problems in this article that smokescreens the sin of homosexuallity, a much bigger problem relative to the basis of salvation in Jesus Christ is revealed in your self-justification against a 'sodomite' accusaton(para. 1), as you wrote;

[Rev. Dr. Cheng] "It doesn't matter that I've spent the last decade immersed in the Bible, ancient biblical languages, and the Christian theological tradition. It doesn't matter that I've dedicated my life to preaching, teaching, and ministering to all people, including the lesbian, gay, bisexual, and transgender (LGBT) community. The simple fact that I'm an openly gay man makes all of that irrelevant."

You're right- It *doesn't matter! Jesus warned against justification by works in this example at His Judgment Seat;
Matthew 7:21-23 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven. Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

As these attempted justification by *works, so you attempt to balance sin against your own self-declared *works. Better you had stated the reason for your redemption as being the shed blood and resurrection of Jesus-Christ, as applied to you.
08:23 AM on 04/22/2010
Excellent post, I salute you.
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01:52 PM on 04/22/2010
Wow. You just proved Cheng's entire argument to be true! Amazing!
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06:42 PM on 04/21/2010
I always get a bit confused on these nomad shepherd scribblings ...

Now the men wanted to "yada" with these two angels which you claim was "to know" them or "rape" them. Then a few passages down after the righteous daughters of righteous Lot get their father drunk with wine and get "to know" dad but here the word used is "to lie" with their father (which led to both daughters to be with child from good ol' dad - these are some real righteous people here).

If the evil men wanted sex with the angels why wasn't the word "to lie" get used rather than "yada"?

Lot offered his daughters to the evil men to do some free "gang yada-ing" but none of the evil men want "to lie" with them.

... and since I have your attention - Was Cain also "yada-ing" with Eve his mother (there were no other women)? I guess that means that Noah's grandchildren via his 3 sons were all doing a lot of cousin "yada-ing" as well? After all, their fathers were away returning the marsupials (kangaroos, koalas & walibis) back to Australia in the big boat?
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10:18 PM on 04/21/2010
Fun post!

Spot on!

Fanned!

Thanks....
Clevelandinwi
Progressive is good; regressive, not so much.
06:35 PM on 04/21/2010
Christians, of whom I am one, are a very scary lot!