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Bill Nye on Sandy, Climate Change and the 2012 Election

Posted: 11/02/2012 11:02 pm

Did climate change have anything to do with Superstorm Sandy?

Climate change made Storm Sandy more intense. Climate change is responsible for dozens of deaths and billions of dollars of damage. And it is going to get worse.

Until this week, climate change has not received much attention but it is a very important issue for America for this election.

On November 6, voters get to choose how we, as a nation, deal with climate change in the future There are enormous differences in the way Mr. Romney and Mr. Obama, and the Republican and Democratic Parties, deal with climate change and the greenhouse gases that unquestionably increased the devastation caused by hurricane Sandy... and will continue to cause havoc with our weather.

What, exactly, Bill, is the science on this?

Let's be clear on the science. Climate change does not cause hurricanes and storms like Sandy... but climate change makes them worse -- no question. The Scientific Journal, in an article on Tuesday, October 30, by senior editor Mark Fischetti says it clearly:

Climate change amps up... basic factors that contribute to big storms... The oceans have warmed, providing more energy for storms, and the Earth's atmosphere has warmed, so it retains more moisture which is drawn into storms, and is then dumped on us.
The basic mechanism of climate change is very, very simple... Gases in our atmosphere allow sunlight to pass through easily on the way down from space. But, after the light warms the Earth, these gases hold heat like glass in a greenhouse. That's why it's called "the greenhouse effect." It's what keeps our world warm enough for liquid water to flow and all of us living things to survive.

But in recent decades, it has become clear that we humans are causing the release of certain gases, especially carbon dioxide and methane, into the atmosphere much faster than any time in the past tens of thousands of years. Burning carbon-based substances like oil, gas, and especially coal produces billions of tons of extra carbon dioxide each year. Methane gas from cows and pigs and other animals on our large farms ends up in the atmosphere as well, trapping more of the sun's energy as heat.

What's your sense of the differences between Gov. Romney, President Obama and the Republican and Democratic candidates for Senate and The House of Representatives on the issue of climate change? There is a very big difference between the candidates and the parties on this issue.

President Obama, Vice President Biden and the Democratic Party's position is consistent with what 90 percent of scientists say -- that humans significantly cause the world to warm and climates to change and that, in order to slow climate change and eventually control its effects, we must slow down and regulate the emission of greenhouse gases such as carbon dioxide and methane... and develop clean, alternate forms of energy, like solar, wind, geothermal, tidal and biomass.

Governor Romney, Congressman Ryan and the vast majority of those in the Republican Party, however, strongly disagree and they cite a small number of researchers who say that any warming and any climate change is a natural cyclical phenomenon that has been occurring on Earth for millions of years and that human activity is not a significant factor.

Gov. Romney and the Republicans are wrong. It's just not true. At the Republican Convention in Tampa, Gov. Romney re-stated his position by saying, "President Obama promised to begin to slow the rise of the oceans and to heal the planet. My promise is to help you and your family." The audience laughed.

At the Democratic Convention in Charlotte, President Obama responded by saying, "More droughts and floods and wildfires are not a joke. They're a threat to our children's future."

Look at what has just happened to our Eastern seaboard. Every scientist that I respect says that this will not only continue, but will continue to get worse, unless we stop pumping more and more greenhouse gases into the environment.

America is going to vote in a few days. Is there evidence, beyond general statements, that Democrats are more serious about addressing and solving the problems of carbon emissions and climate change?

The Republicans, almost exclusively... the Republican members of the Senate and the House of Representatives, stand in the way of any attempt to reduce greenhouse emissions or to get away from our dependence on dirty fossil fuels.

Two examples:

No. 1: Just last year the Republicans introduced The Energy Tax Prevention Act of 2011 in the House and the Senate to stop the Environmental Protection Agency, the EPA, from making ANY regulations regarding greenhouse gases and climate change.

A hundred percent of Republicans voted for the bill to stop the EPA from regulating greenhouse gases, and 90 percent of Democrats against the bill to stop the EPA from regulating greenhouse gases.

And there is a huge difference between the parties on whether we should spend taxpayer money to subsidize oil companies or companies that are developing the clean solar, wind, geothermal and tidal energy of the future that doesn't contribute to climate change. For example, just a few months back, in March of this year, legislation came up that would give oil companies $4 billion, $4 billion in taxpayer subsidies. Gov. Romney and 96 percent of the Republicans in the Senate said "yes," while President Obama and 92 percent of the Democrats in the Senate said "No."

Democrats and Republicans really do have very different views on climate change and on the promotion of oil vs. clean energy in The United States.

What's your Call to Action to the American people between now and November 6?

If climate change and clean energy are important issues to you, you have to have your voice be heard and vote on November 6!

The 2000 presidential election was decided by 537 votes -- 537 out of a country of 300 million... and elections of senators and congressmen are often decided by hundreds or thousands of votes. I believe Sandy made it clear that climate change has to be a critical issue in this election and I want you, everyone, to get out and choose your America!

 
 
 
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06:17 PM on 11/05/2012
First, there is no indication that this storm was attributable to global climate change. As I understand it, the data do not show increased hurricane activity in the northeast US.

Secondly, climate change or not, there were storms before and there will be storms again. Reckless overdevelopment of low-lying coastal areas is a problem regardless of climate change.

Third, Obama does not have a stellar record on addressing climate change. In fact, I can’t think of one thing he did. It appears both parties consider it a taboo subject in tough economic times. Surely, Obama does not appear to be a savior.

Finally, what will Obama do differently? Do you think we will all go solar and everything will be fine? Climate change is an immense GLOBAL problem that, unfortunately, is not readily solved for economic and political reasons. Modest steps in the US won’t do squat to solve the problem. Even if there were zero emission, we’d have climate change a long, long time - decades, centuries, maybe millenia.

Saying Obama will save us is ridiculous. And guess what, even if climate change were eliminated (which is not at all likely), we’d still have storms and low-lying coastal areas would flood. Blaming the problem on climate change just kicks the can down the road and misdirects attention from the obvious elephant in the room. Think twice about overdevelopment of high risk areas.
11:24 AM on 11/05/2012
I this this article is misleading about the science. As I understand it, scientists agree that the mentioned greenhouse gasses cause very slight warming--warming that slows dramatically the more the levels of these gasses rise. The idea that storms have been made worse by warming is speculation--and it's speculation that has the problem of not fitting the trend lines of storm severity data. But regardless of what I think, there will be an interesting debate tonight between the country's leading environmentalist (Bill McKibben) and an opponent: http://fossilfueldebate.com/. Hopefully they get into it on some of these issues and shed more light on them.
02:25 PM on 11/04/2012
Does it matter? W have had hurricanes in the past and will have them in the future -- regardless of whether climate change is real or not and regardless of whether Sandy was caused by climate change. It was a dying Cat 1 storm. The only thing unusual is that it was captured by a "negatively tilted trough" that gave it some energy and altered it's course a bit. So, we got excessive tidal flooding in NYC and NJ. The plain fact is that those areas were unable to deal with a storm event that was not completely unexpected. We have dense development in flood areas. Many people didn't even heed the warnings to evacuate, leading to death and placing emergency personnel at risk. Even if we stopped all carbon emissions today (which is not going to happen), we'd have climate change a long, long time. It does not go away quickly after cutting emissions. So, the lesson to be learned is that we need to think about where and how we live and how to plan for storms to reduce their impacts. Common sense.
03:38 PM on 11/04/2012
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cmwms
10:39 AM on 11/05/2012
The storm wasn't caused by climate change, climate change made it worse than it would have been. That's the difference.
02:33 PM on 11/05/2012
You know that for sure? And, really, does it matter? Is Obama going to stop climate change? He hasn't done anything in the past four years. Why would the next four be different? Besides, if climate change is here, it is here for decades, centuries, maybe more. It does not go away overnight even if there are zero emissions. Most models show it will persist for millennia. Whether we have climate change or not, we've had storms before and will have them again. It's crazy to build on barrier island in the first place, but, if people insist on living in high-risk areas, they should be prepared with suitable construction, infrastructure, and insurance.
12:31 PM on 11/04/2012
"Climate change" enhances hurricanes?? Yes, it IS happening, but the reporting is either misinformed or dishonest. The oceans are heating faster than the atmosphere (as can be determined on the NOAA web) and are also driving the atmospheric heating by adding more CO2 and huge amounts of water vapor. The vast majority of the greenhouse effect is this water vapor. CO2 has its effect, but is essentially a marker of this activity.

So what is heating the oceans?? (Any heating contractor can tell you that hot water heats air much more efficiently than hot air heats water. It is simple thermodynamic density). Solar radiance has been decreasing since 2001.

Some have noted that the number of earthquakes is up worldwide along with a rise in low level volcanic unrest, both coincident with the ocean warming trend. This suggests more lithospheric motion caused by increasing core temperature.

Human civilization is not helping things by adding even more CO2, poisoning oceans, depleting fisheries, cutting rainforests, paving, (etc. ad nauseum). Nonetheless, if humans all died tomorrow this process would continue. We CANNOT stop it.

The best those who want their children/grandchildren to survive can do is to adapt. Adapting means at a minimum: 1. Personal responsibility. 2.Moving from coasts, floodplains and cities. 3. Finding ways to supply your family's food and energy locally.
02:52 PM on 11/04/2012
Monsanto has a program called America's Farmers Grow Communities. Fact or crap?
09:26 AM on 11/05/2012
I deal as local as possible and avoid the big corp-rats, so no direct knowledge.

The "program" appears to be a PR charity contest, wherin one (Monsanto qualified) farmer-"winner" per (Monsanto approved) county gets to designate a (Monsanto approved) local charity program to receive $2.5K from Monsanto. Maybe more to it, IDK, IDC

I'm not suggesting folks get involved with big AG, rather grow and/or source their food and other necessities locally.
ThinkCreeps
Seriously, it's time.
07:43 AM on 11/05/2012
Water vapor is only found in the lower troposphere. It has little effect on the dominant stratospheric greenhouse effect. Increased clouds would help reduce warming by scattering more sunlight back to space. Water vapor is important for weather, but has very little impact on global temperature.

Solar radiance has been identical to within 0.2% for many decades.

Earthquake frequency is unchanged over many decades.

If human CO2 production ended, assuming it was not in a huge nuclear inferno, then the CO2 content of the atmosphere would return slowly to its pre-1800 level.

Your suggested points are valid, but if you want to make any difference you need to add another: use less energy and buy less $r^&.

The distance that food travels is chickenfeed in the total picture, and good luck getting all the energy your family use locally, unless your family has either a 2000-square-meter solar array or a 20kW wind turbine, that can each work 30% of the time.
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Wojo Walter John Deptuch
12:10 PM on 11/04/2012
Whats with this anti-green energy resistance? People do realize we are going to run out of fossil fuels eventually, right? it's math, you know math, MATH!
ThinkCreeps
Seriously, it's time.
07:44 AM on 11/05/2012
Math!? - that's tantamount to knowledge.
Before you know it these darn sciencenistas will be taking their superstitions away!
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cmellonas
10:47 AM on 11/04/2012
The motto for the new world economy should be ' Production without Destruction '. Thing is, if the Democrats are right all that happens is we are a little nicer to our home The Planet Earth, if the Republicans are wrong and we follow thier path a big OOOPS will be too late. Dont mean to get all grandma on you but her adice is true ' An ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure'.
11:10 AM on 11/05/2012
An ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure'. -- You're right about that. Guess what -- we had storms before and will have them again, whether climate change is here or not. At the worst, climate change will increase the intensity and frequency of storms, though most climatologists do not predict increased hurricane activity along the northeast US. Regardless, if you recklessly and irresponsibly develop coastal areas, people will be impacted. Houses on barrier islands? Grandma knew better. People today think they can live anywhere with no repercussions or that the government will bail them out. It's great to address climate change, but focusing on it with regard to this storm is to miss the point. We have millions living in harms way and are not prepared for the consequences. Politicians and developers are encouraging even more reckless development. As I said, we're going to have storms, climate change or not.
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cmellonas
10:37 AM on 11/04/2012
Stop trying to confuse th G.O.P with things like, TRUTH and SCIENCE thier busy trying to spin an alternate universe.
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chip7772000
10:08 AM on 11/04/2012
how many fossil field were used in producing his tv show?
10:07 AM on 11/04/2012
I think my friend a Delta Airlines pilot who flies all over the World is right when he once proclaimed
" When it comes to global warming The United States of America IS NOT the problem. There are more pollution and environmental controls in place here in the state of Ohio than in the countries of Russia, China, India and Mexico combined."
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alittletoosmart
Most people would sooner die than think.
12:26 PM on 11/05/2012
Regardless of the amount of legislation, United States has the 2nd highest amount of carbon dioxide emissions in the world. That is saying a lot when countries like India have four times the population of US but have lower emissions. China has the highest emissions but they're also the most populous.
09:39 AM on 11/04/2012
In the late 60's and early 70's it was global cooling. The "scientist" at the time wanted to spread black soot on the poles to warm the climate. Come on Bill, this is all an absurd collection of BS. The fix put forth is to transfer the entire industrial base to India, Bangladesh, etc., and reduce ourselves into utter poverty. Really, if that is actually done would “they” be worried about global warming?

Just saying (the emperor has no clothes)
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marriea
09:15 AM on 11/04/2012
OK, so we know that climate change affects life on this earth and many of the things that we do have have an effect on how the climate reacts from a human perspective. But in the general scheme of things, Mother Nature is doing nothing that Mother Nature hasn't been doing since the begaining of time. It's just that we wasn't around experience it. Mankind is estimated as being in existance for appx 500,000 years top. Civilizations, 10-15 thousand years. We estimate earth's existance, about 2 billion years. I'm not a scientist, but I do feel that anything that can make the depths of the sea as deep as the highest mountain is high, have all of my respect in the world. I'm not about to try to understand or second guess something that strong and powerful. What is useful to understand is that if a storm is coming, take shelter if possible. But to think that little us has any power to change things like that, while I do believe that the things that we do effect human life and life in generals, mankind truly don't have any control what so ever over natural forces. With respect to Hurricane Sandy, indeed any natural happening, there might be a lesson involved in the Biblical story of Noah and the ark. I think it might have to do with preparation and alertness and a whole lot of something that is lacking now a days......Common Sense
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alittletoosmart
Most people would sooner die than think.
12:48 PM on 11/05/2012
You should try to understand and second guess everything. That is the basis of science, not making uninformed assumptions, trying to determine the facts. Humans do have a profound impact on the environment and weather. We also have the power to make decisions regarding our actions. To say we don't have any control over the weather is ignorant. Oh and btw, the Bible is a story book, so I wouldn't waste my time basing my knowledge off of a fairytale, although I agree people should be more prepared and alert. Human caused climate change may not cause storms but it does make them more powerful and can be avoided or lessened. "Little us" consists of 7 billion people.
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tulane-grad
master-debater
08:54 AM on 11/04/2012
Anyone seen Al Gore driving a Volt yet?
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08:01 AM on 11/04/2012
People who laugh at climate change want to put their heads in the sand because the status quo is comfortable...consider this, oil is finite, and we have built our world around it, it is stinky, it pollutes, it keeps us in conflict with the middle east, and, it WILL run out. Forget climate change if you will, there are a million other reasons to switch to alternative energies, the writing was on the wall in 1980 and we have been procrastinating, and we are out of time. just do it.
07:01 AM on 11/04/2012
While I do believe that fossil fuels are a large factor in greenhouse gas production, I have heard that the methane gasses produced by the beef and other animals that we consume actually produces more of the same gasses.
Without being certain of the specifics, it seems to me that any serious harm reduction plan is going to need to begin in the home, with parent's educating their children on the benefits of a vegetarian - or nearly vegetarian diet and Dads forgoing the gas powered lawn mowers for the old-fashioned push style... or better yet, doing away with the immaculate green lawn altogther and planting something like Pachysandra for green "lawn" cover.
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marriea
09:29 AM on 11/04/2012
I remember using those push lawn mowers. I also remember when we grew our own garden in the back yard and we also had fowl in which we kept for food. Many govt municipalities have outlawed such things as our 'neighbors might not like it' and 'such things bring down property value' and other B/S. Also I'd bet that the food industry in on somebodies payroll to keep us going to the store instead of planting things ourselves. And besides, now no one really wants to get their hands dirty to slaughter that steak or pork chop anymore. It use to be common. Now folks say that there is supposed to be a 'humane way' of killing an animal that one is about to eat.
Get out of town....It would take some doing to getting folks now a days to get back to the future
11:55 AM on 11/04/2012
It's refreshing to hear someone say harm reduction begins in the home. Bravo!!!

I have heard that there are parents teaching the theory of fire-breathing dragons to their children. If you live in Kentucky you would know more about this than me -- their governor believes this stuff and even gave tax breaks for Ken Ham's Ark Adventure amusement park thing-ey. Look it up.
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rg9rts
Carpe Diem! This aint rehearsal
03:51 AM on 11/04/2012
Nothing like a little bit of a natural disaster to help sharpen the focus on the real issues for the future. Either we deal with it or our children will damn us to a special place in Hades for malingerers.
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