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Richard Greener

Richard Greener

Posted: April 9, 2010 12:42 PM

Media Entertainers: Small Audience & Little Influence

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A long time ago in a galaxy far, far away... I was in the broadcasting business. I have some experience with ratings for radio and television. I know something about the size of audiences for media personalities and their influence on public life and policy -- or lack of it.

I am amused and puzzled at how much attention is paid these days to entertainers like Rush Limbaugh, Glenn Beck, and Keith Olbermann. The crew at MSNBC -- really only Olbermann and Rachel Maddow, since the others on that NBC owned channel can hardly be said to be politically off-center by any reasonable ideological measurement -- actually has an historically small viewing audience and is not seen as a real threat even by its right-wing competitors. Of course, those same right-wing entertainers, mainly found on the FOX NEWS cable channel and various radio stations, have similarly small audiences when measured against the industry as a whole and particularly past broadcasting personalities who put on similar type programs.

Numbers can be boring, but you can look them up. Yes, Olbermann and Maddow have more than a million viewers and the FOX NEWS group grabs about two to four times that many. By far the biggest audience for political entertainment belongs to Rush Limbaugh. Although his ratings change from time to time, it is generally agreed that Rush Limbaugh has between 16 and 20 million listeners. However, instead of boasting about "talent on loan from God" and some of his other frequent and adolescent self-worth estimates, Limbaugh ought to be humbled at his historical irrelevance in his own field. That assessment may surprise and upset some people -- "Dittoheads" they're called. But, giving Rush Limbaugh every one of his 20 million listeners, rather than the smaller numbers often reported, that means he reaches at most 6% of the American people. I think its fair to say that God might want to do a little better, especially considering His past experience on-the-air.

More than 70 years ago, back in the 1930s when the United States had only 122 million people, less than 40% of its current 308 million, a priest named Charles Caughlin (a priest long before that designation carried the negative weight of recent revelations) had twice the number of radio listeners Rush Limbaugh has now. Father Caughlin regularly reached some 40 million Americans. That's hardly a contest: Caughlin 33% of the American people, Rush Limbaugh 6%. Check Caughlin out. You'll find his show business style quite different from Limbaugh, but their content and approach to those in political power is strikingly similar. While Caughlin was sure Franklin Roosevelt meant the end of Western Civilization, as we know it, Rush Limbaugh feels the same way about Barack Obama. If Obama is really worried about the effect of right wing entertainers, especially Limbaugh, he might want to remember that FDR was elected President of the United States four times in a row from 1932 to 1944.

Another long ago favorite, Walter Winchell, also had many more listeners 60 years ago than Rush Limbaugh has in 2010. Plus, in his later years Winchell, with his trademark hat, was a TV hit -- quite the opposite of Limbaugh's failed attempt to make it on television. Walter Winchell was also in more than 2000 newspapers, at a time when newspapers were the major source for Americans to get their news and information. In terms of political leaning and ideology, Rush Limbaugh, Charles Caughlin and Walter Winchell are three peas in a pod. The right wing radio entertainers have been warning us of impending socialism for nearly 80 years. So, what separates these men besides the size of their listening audience? The answer is, the attention paid to them by others especially other media. In their day nobody, particularly other media, except those who tuned-in cared one way or the other about Caughlin or Winchell.

This same question applies to all the modern right wing media entertainers -- Beck, O'Reilly, Hannity, and the lesser-known but equally outlandish performers who populate the radio airwaves -- people like Michael Savage, Laura Ingram and Neal Boortz. These are all great entertainers, excellent "air personalities" and performers. But the question is: Why does anyone pay serious attention to anything they say? For that, I have no quick answer. My guess is we are easily bored and just as easily, albeit temporarily, entertained. That doesn't say much for those who invest themselves in entertaining us with what are often factually incorrect or entirely made-up political positions. And, let's face it -- that doesn't say much for us either.


 
 
 
A long time ago in a galaxy far, far away... I was in the broadcasting business. I have some experience with ratings for radio and television. I know something about the size of audiences for media pe...
A long time ago in a galaxy far, far away... I was in the broadcasting business. I have some experience with ratings for radio and television. I know something about the size of audiences for media pe...
 
 
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Newsradiohead
Friendship is magic!!!!
05:58 AM on 04/18/2010
With all due respect, I think that Mr. Greener is wrong, dead wrong. These days, the Right has enough media to create a whole echo chamber of fear and paranoia. What gets said on AM radio gets amplified on Fox News and then people go and discuss what they see and hear on Internet message boards, and then the whole cycle begins again. Also, let's remember that America is politically apathetic. Elections are decided by those who are motivated, and right now AM radio and Fox News are making their audience very politically motivated.
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dianhow
former Repub till W
04:58 PM on 04/11/2010
yes Keith must ignore Beck & Rush Hannity - It just feeds their huge ego
but Olberman does not fit that group at all Beck Rush lie- smear - insult- manipulate by fear -
even incite violence Keith does none of that and Keith cares -
he has raised millions for free health care clinics Rush Beck care nothing for people Just cash
PBS C span & Maddow are best for news www.pbs.org
09:40 PM on 04/10/2010
It's really sad that people take these people to be truthful, intelligent individuals only because they have a show on TV. It truly represents the blurring of worth and celebrity; these people are famous because they were controversial, thus becoming celebrities. This then led to them having some sort of credibility. But it is style over content; and sadly, there isn't even that much "content" there.
11:07 AM on 04/10/2010
News-entertainment is an amusing term Coughlin & Winchell's broadcasts weren't amusing & featured little, if any, breaking news; the same thing may be said of Limbaugh, Beck & Faux Noise's featured, famed, talking heads, All of these people mismanged the news for their own ends. LBJ spoke of managing the news but he mismanaged it so badly that 'Nam bit him in the @$$. LBJ didn't run in 1968 because of 'Nam.
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dianhow
former Repub till W
05:01 PM on 04/11/2010
lary LBJ agonized over Nam It was a huge mistake 60 K died
LBJ had nothing in common with FOX beck Rush massive hate fest
Clevelandinwi
Progressive is good; regressive, not so much.
03:02 AM on 04/10/2010
Maybe more people can become aware of this. We can hope!
12:45 AM on 04/10/2010
How fitting.!! I just wrote a comment on other page about Beck. I was raising the issue with Huffington Post- for giving these people so much space for them to shed their waste. They are irrelevant to the nation. They have nothing to offer.
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dianhow
former Repub till W
05:02 PM on 04/11/2010
9 AGREED ignore Beck Rush Hannity they feed hate- rage- violence
Its all about lots of cash Beck said so himself Butno one pays attention
too gullible- full of hate- racist- or all 3
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GlassMask
Comedian/Curmudgeon
02:13 PM on 04/09/2010
To be fair, radio numbers from the distant past reflect a time when there were far fewer choices for newstertainment, as well as a period when Americans were a bit more homogenous. But still, you point is solid. Rush's zombie army is a small but annoying part of our country.
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dianhow
former Repub till W
05:05 PM on 04/11/2010
mask Rush Fox Beck Hannity reach many many millions of gullible- easily swayed
voters who could be incited to violence at any moment Thats what far right is hoping for
to get rid of Obama
02:00 PM on 04/09/2010
I wish people would just open there eyes and see that majority of what we watch on TV is just entertainment. Good post.
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dianhow
former Repub till W
05:08 PM on 04/11/2010
Just entertainment yes but folks must be able to think critically- - reason- stay informed
Millions are not informed or are driven by rage - hate or racism Most have guns at the ready
Right wing IS pushing- inciting- urging these folks to action
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progressivegreg
Scotty, beam me up
01:35 PM on 04/09/2010
Excellent Post! And, frankly, you sound like my wife. I have to admit I like to watch Keith and Rachel and every time I do "my better half" looks at the screen and scoffs, "they all just talk about each other" is her usual statement. She goes on "they probably meet for lunch once a week to discuss how to keep the sheep watching/listening" And I think she's right! God, I hope she's right!
09:06 PM on 04/09/2010
I agree that Keith pays Limbo and Becky too much attention, but the rest of his show is nothing at all like the FOX noise machine. But Rachel! Please don't stop watching Rachel. She's the sanest voice on TV. AND she's smart.
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dianhow
former Repub till W
05:14 PM on 04/11/2010
EMM Agreed Rachel gives facts No one else does NOT CNN NOT FOX
That makes her well worth watching PBS too www.pbs.org
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dianhow
former Repub till W
05:13 PM on 04/11/2010
progressive OK but Maddow is fair She does not shout down guests
She presents facts not innuend0 - lies- stuff we do not see on CNN I like that
She has called out GOP who say one thing -do another CNN FOX never do that never
We all need to have this info so we can vote wisely
its lots more than' alking about each other ' Maddow does not lie she corrects any mistakes
we need more factual reporting Corp owned news media fails at that