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The Electoral College Vote - Obama a Sure Victor

Posted: 04/27/2012 2:35 pm

The next president will not be elected on November 6, 2012. The nationwide popular vote on that day means nothing. Doubters are referred to never-were Presidents Al Gore and Samuel J. Tilden, plus the elections of 1824 and 1888. Four times in our democratic history the popular vote winner did not become the next president.

Our next president will be elected on January 6, 2013. That's the day when Congress officially counts the ballots cast in the Electoral College. To win that election you need 270 votes. Here's a news flash: Barack Obama is a certain winner when the real votes are counted next January. Forget what the TV pundits tell you. Pay no attention to the chattering class as they make their living by handicapping the so-called horserace. That race is run. It's a done deal. Voting patterns in the states clearly indicate which electoral votes will go to the Democrats and which will go Republican. After that, then you have what are called swing states, which might go to either party. What the pundits won't tell you today -- because there's so much air-time to be filled on TV and so many columns to be written between now and next November -- is that President Obama already has enough electoral votes in those states he is sure to carry that the final result is already known.

We've been told that the Obama/Biden ticket managed to win the 2008 election because they won nine states that had been carried by the Republicans in 2004. Most pundits and political analysts point to Obama winning Virginia, North Carolina, Florida, Indiana and Ohio as the keys to his 2008 victory. How often did we hear that the election hinged on who could win Ohio and Florida? And yet, what is often -- no always -- overlooked is this essential constitutional fact: Once you've reached 270 in the Electoral College, that's it. It's over. You win! All additional votes are just that -- additional. They are unnecessary. The outcome is secure at 270. The 2008 election was not a close one in the only vote count that mattered. Barack Obama won 365 Electoral votes. John McCain won only 173. The difference in Obama's favor was 192 votes. More important, Obama had a cushion of 95 votes. He didn't need all 365. He only needed 270. How important are those extra 95 Electoral College votes today?

It's a statistical fact that to win reelection on January 9, 2013 President Obama does not need any of these so-called "crucial swing states" -- Virginia, North Carolina, Florida, Indiana or Ohio. Why? Because those five states only account for 86 Electoral votes. Remember, the cushion is 95. Here's the breakdown of states, with their Electoral College votes, states I believe Obama is sure to win again:

WEST: California, Oregon, Washington, Hawaii and Nevada = 84
SOUTHWEST: New Mexico, Colorado = 14
MIDWEST: Illinois, Wisconsin, Iowa, Minnesota, Michigan and Nebraska (1 vote) = 63
EAST: Maine, Vermont, New Hampshire, Massachusetts, Rhode Island,
Connecticut, New Jersey, New York, Delaware, Pennsylvania, Maryland
and Washington, D.C. = 112

The total is 273. That's more than enough to be reelected. Notice that the states of Florida, Ohio, Virginia, North Carolina, Indiana, every one carried by Obama in 2008, are not included in this winning reelection total. Notice too that not a single state won by McCain in 2008 is needed for Obama to switch for him to win again this time. The Republicans can keep every one of McCain's states and they can add all five swing states including Ohio and Florida. Obama still wins.

Skeptics of this position may argue that Obama could lose some other states that he won in 2008, not counting those I've already eliminated. That list usually includes New Hampshire and Nevada even though Obama won those states by 10 and 7 points respectively -- not exactly close. But what if Obama should lose those states too? That would be 10 more Electoral votes gone. However, winning and losing new states is a two-way conversation. What if Obama wins Missouri this time out? He almost won it in 2008. McCain squeaked in by a hair, one-tenth of 1%. Now, that is a close one. Obama winning Missouri is statistically far more likely to happen than him losing either New Hampshire or Nevada. But if he did lose them both that would also be 10 Electoral votes. An even trade -- give 10, get 10. Obama still wins.

Some may say that a truly charismatic, dynamic and exciting Republican presidential candidate has the potential to do this time what Obama himself did the last time, namely switch a number of key states previously won by the opposition into his column. Such a GOP nominee might indeed change nine Democratic states to Republican victories by reclaiming those once Bush states, the same ones Obama took away in 2008. Anything's possible. However, ask yourself this: Is Mitt Romney such a man? Can Mitt Romney, as the Republican alternative, sweep the nation's attention to himself as Barack Obama did in 2008? Is Romney the one? Will he galvanize voters from coast-to-coast? Will Mitt Romney bring women, young voters, new voters and people of color flocking to the polls in state after state this November? Can anyone honestly answer, "Yes"?

The official count in the Electoral College won't be held until January 9, 2013. The outcome, however, is already decided.

 
 
 

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03:40 PM on 05/17/2012
Note Maryland and New Jersey allocate Electrol college based on winner of the national popular vote so if the popular vote is for Romney then their ellectorl college goes to Romeny 26 total. dropping Obama to 268. Back to the supreme court.
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10:42 AM on 04/30/2012
It may be a bit pre-mature to assume the numbers. Granted, since there is no opposition, Obama clearly wins the Electors chosen by the Democratic state conventions. There is still, however, the Repbulican state conventions to complete and chose their Electors.

What the author may have overlooked in his well stated argument, is the fact that not all Electors are bound to a given candidate or the popular vote. Gore vs Bush is an example.
http://www.archives.gov/federal-register/electoral-college/laws.html

Nor is it a given that Romney will win in Tampa, despite what MSM reports. There is a very strong possibility that when all the GOP state conventions are over at the end of June, Ron Paul will have the required plurality of five states to be nominated from the floor and possibly Electors of his own being chosen at the state conventions (such as what happened in Alaska).

Now, granted, if the race is between Obama and Romney, Obama probably has it. But what if by some weird Warren Harding moment it comes down to Obama vs Dr. Paul?

One can easily scoff and say it will never happen. But just for sake of argument - and the thousands Dr. Paul draws to his rallies - what if did? If nothing else, it will make the debates very interesting.
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08:13 AM on 05/01/2012
I'm a big fan of Dr. Paul. He took the time to call me when I was waiting for my heart transplant just to wish me good luck and keep my spirits high. That meant a lot to me. I particularly respect his longstanding anti-war, anti-imperialism position. However, its just plain silly to think he has a chance of being nominated in Tampa or, should a miracle happen, being competitive in a contest against the President.

And yet, I do agree with you that Romney is not a cinch to win the nomination. None of the Republican delegates are legally prevented from a floor rebellion similar to what we know as jury nullification. I am not yet convinced that many hundreds of those delegates will cast aside their deeply held far-right conservative ideals to vote for Mitt Romney. We'll see.

As for the Electoral College we haven't had a problem there since the election of 1800. For them to stage a coup at this point in history is beyond rational thinking, I believe.
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white mende man
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02:09 AM on 04/30/2012
let's not forget that President Obama also won the popular vote in 2008 (as well as the electoral votes) and he will win both again in 2012. Republicans can count on only Republicans and they are not the majority. Republicans in their zeal to secure their base have practically alienated all other voters.
10:38 AM on 04/28/2012
This analysis ignores the effect of voter suppression laws in several key states where polls show Obama ahead by 2 or 3 points and most importantly it completely ignores the 94 percent rule which almost guarantees that the candidate with the most money wins election 94 percent of the time. A candidate who can carpet bomb his opponent with smear ads over an entire campaign will have a tremendous advantage as we saw in the republican primaries. For these reasons it is silly to say with certitude who will win this election.
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Stan DaMann
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07:23 PM on 04/27/2012
While it is likely that Obama will win for many, many reasons, the author's statement that "History shows us that states do not switch from one party to the other unless the margin of victory in that state in the previous Presidential election was narrow. Only those states won by slim margins change hands in the very next election," is completely and utterly false.

There are numerous examples of huge swings in Presidential elections in only 4 years. The last election was an example; Obama in 2008 did much better than Kerry in 2004. Bush in 2000 did much better than Dole in 1996. Clinton in 1992 did much better than Dukakis in 1988. Reagan in 1980 did much better than Ford in 1976. Carter won in 1976 after McGovern lost in a landslide in 1972. Humphrey lost in 1968 after Johnson won in a landslide in 1964. Kennedy won in 1960 after Stevenson lost big in 1956. Eisenhower won easily in 1952 after Dewey lost in 1948.

The current Presidential race has a long way to go, and there are also numerous examples of a candidate who was leading in April, losing in November.

This article is worthless, and is similar to a Republican Presidential candidate this year; it says something controversial and ridiculous just to get attention and publicity.
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Richard Greener
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09:39 PM on 04/27/2012
You should pay closer attention to what's being written. You are talking about the national popular vote. I discussed only winning an individual state vote and the Electoral votes that go with such a state victory. From election to election individual states do not and have not switched from one party to the other unless the previous Presidential election - in that state - was narrowly decided. You could look it up. I did. Your comments above are irrelevant to anything I wrote.
11:24 PM on 04/27/2012
Your verbiage above is high on rhetoric but short on detail. You claim that "Obama in 2008 did much better than Kerry in 2004." This comment demonstrates you don't really understand the electoral college system. Bush barely won in 2004 - he took 286 electoral college votes versus 251 for Kerry. Do you think that Obama, an incumbent who is a magisterial campaigner, is going to fare as badly or worse than John Kerry?

Do you dispute the author's claims about the states that Obama is virtually certain to win and which put him at 273 votes as a baseline? In that case exactly which of these states do you believe are in contention for Romney? Because that's kind of the point of this article - and saying "things can change between now and November" is kind of moronic if you understand this. For things to "change" on the electoral vote level Obama would have to be found in bed with the proverbial dead girl or live boy.

Today Karl Rove published a map of likely electoral votes which agree with the above author's contentions, does he not know what he's talking about either?

http://www.mediaite.com/online/karl-roves-electoral-map-shows-obama-with-a-solid-lead-over-romney/

Do us a favor, if you're going to write a comment try to base it on fact or evidence the next time instead of poorly thought out stupid rhetoric.
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Stan DaMann
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11:53 AM on 04/28/2012
You completely missed the point of my statement. Try reading it again, carefully.

1) I said several times that it is very likely that Obama will win.
2) My point was that election results often change in just four years, and that you cannot predict the winner of an election, based on who won the election four years ago.
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MekhongKurt
05:25 PM on 04/27/2012
Mr. Greener, though I too expect the President to win, I do think it's way to early to predict he will with the complete confidence you do. The election is still six months away, and there are many things that could happen between now and then. (I also want the President to be re-elected -- very much so.)
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Richard Greener
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05:43 PM on 04/27/2012
Thanks for your comment. My analysis has no preference built in. History shows us that states do not switch from one party to the other unless the margin of victory in that state in the previous Presidential election was narrow. Only those states won by slim margins change hands in the very next election. Obama won nearly every state by double digit margins. For example, how can New Mexico be a swing state when Obama carried it by 14% or Nevada which he carried by 12% or Pennsylvania which he carried by 10% or even Colorado which he carried by 9%? No matter what the national popular vote will be, the Electoral College vote will be very one-sided in favor of the President.
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Schalaine
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06:14 PM on 04/27/2012
I am so hope you are correct. I do not see the Prez losing this election. I just don't.
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Schalaine
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06:17 PM on 04/27/2012
That should be... I so hope you are correct, or I am so hoping you are correct. It has been a long day.
05:07 PM on 04/27/2012
Chuck Todd on MSNBC is constantly playing with numbers and trying to come up with theories that are quite different. He is really annoying
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04:43 PM on 04/27/2012
this puts my heart at ease. having romney or santorum as president was a terrifying idea, enough to make me consider leaving the country.
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03:48 PM on 04/27/2012
A few months have passed already since the GOP conceded the Presidential race and have focused on house and Senate races instead. Their focus has been on voter suppression laws and in general to suppress the vote in their favor since the 2010 elections. We will again see the Republican narcissism in full bloom again and we will hear from groups like Focus On The Family asking their low informed bunch to 'pray for rain' again during the D.M.C. convention.
03:37 PM on 04/27/2012
Your math is solid. Your commentary on the motivations of MSM (HufPo often included) even more so. While there could always be a scandal or political meltdown, if Obama runs another campaign as "No Drama Obama" then yeah, his re-election is all but assured.
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03:29 PM on 04/27/2012
That is very reassuring, seriously. It might help me sleep at night as the year grinds on. The thought of Romney being president is utterly terrifying.
Ifeomamn
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03:02 PM on 04/27/2012
Karl Rove has his electoral map out too today. NBC did their yesterday.

All have pres Obama leading. Washington Post had just several days ago, 1024 ways pres Obama wins in Nov. They could ONLY come up with 85 or so ways a Romney win could happen. And Zero way Romney could win without Ohio.

Lefties of every strip, vote, canvass, phone bank, volunteer and donate for TBGOPers must not be returned for congress nor should Romney be elected.