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Richard Kirsch

Richard Kirsch

Posted: November 3, 2010 03:58 PM

Cross-posted from New Deal 2.0.

The negative headlines are to be expected. Today's Politico says "Health care 'nos' help Dems at risk" above an article that tells a different story: half of the Democrats who voted no went down to defeat.

And Republicans can be expected to say that the vote is a mandate for repeal. As Eric Cantor told CBS news last night, "So I believe that when we take majority in January, I hope that we're able to put a repeal bill on the floor right away because that's what the American people want..."

But it just isn't so. Here are two incontrovertible facts from yesterday's election:

1) There was absolutely no relationship between how a House member voted on health care and whether they were reelected.

2) Even in this very conservative electorate, the exit polls do not show majority support, let alone a mandate, for repeal.

Democrats had a bad night, but it didn't matter how a member voted on health care. Take a look at three neighboring Congressional districts in upstate New York, all of which have more registered Republicans than Democrats. Bill Owens voted for health care and won. Scott Murphy voted 'no' in November and then 'yes' on the final health care bill, but lost. His colleague Michael Arcuri voted for the bill in November but then voted 'no' in March, and he too lost. Moving downstate, to the New York metropolitan area, it is also clear that there is no evidence that a health care vote mattered. 'No' voter Michael McMahon lost, as did 'yes' voter John Hall, while another health care supporter, Tim Bishop, won.

Elections in other states tell the same story. There's been a lot made of the defeat of first-term Democrat Tom Perriello, a health care supporter who squeaked into office by a few hundred votes in 2008. But two Virginians who voted no on health care, longtime Congressman Rich Boucher and newly elected Glenn Nye, also lost.

In Ohio, Zack Space voted 'no' and lost, while John Boccieri voted 'yes' and also won't be coming back to Washington. In New Mexico, Harry Teague's 'no' vote didn't stave off defeat any more than Harry Mitchell's 'yes' vote in Arizona caused his political demise.

I could go on and on, but you get the picture. Voters had something else in mind (the economy, stupid) besides health care when they cast their ballots.

There was a group of voters for whom health care was a top concern -- 18% of the electorate according to the exit polls. A majority of these voters, 55%, favored Democratic candidates, as opposed to 45% who voted for Republicans.

As far as a mandate for repeal, there's no such thing. Even among the most conservative electorate in years, just under half (48%) favored repeal. An equal proportion opposed repeal with almost one-third (31%) actually saying that the law should be expanded!

We can't expect reality to interfere with the Republican's intense desire to roll back a health care law that represents the biggest expansion of the social contract in this country in decades. But Democrats shouldn't be cowed when the Republicans claim a mandate for repeal. The voters, even this frustrated, angry bunch, said no such thing.

 
 
 
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09:32 AM on 11/08/2010
6. I think Corrupt Money & Almost Dead Media led Independents to Fuel the no idea' Gains. That explains why Moneycracy & Money-driven media call for urgent overhaul.

7. Amid Massive Lay-off Panic, Change & Healthcare for all, After Stimulus Package, Opposition from lots of the Ungrateful.
Taking advantage of benefits from Stimulus Package, Corrupt Money & Almost Dead Media & Power-only party turned U.S. into D.S.

8. Over the duration of healthcare debate, using the preliminary cost analysis of CBO, the reps opposed the public option stubbornly, but
after the release of final score, they have been defiant on the referee.

** Chanting deficit :

a. Amid chanting deficit, the same old failed policy.

b. Amid chanting deficit, hands-off approach over huge trade deficit from oil money spill & trade imbalance with China from remorseless health care premium.

c. Unfortunately, as a direct consequence of remorseless health care premium, numerous folks have no choice but to hang onto affordable offerings, since one in two households is said to face a hard decision between necessity & drug.

d. Inaction cost in relation to health care reform totals $9trillion over the next decade.

e. Over the next 10 years, total Bush tax cut costs will equal $3.9 trillion, .... the tax cuts would increase deficits by nearly $4 trillion between 2005 and 2014.
09:31 AM on 11/08/2010
While world-wide Stimulus Package got positive review generally, why is the D.S alone critical of it ?

1. Audacity of Nope extracted exceedingly low possible jobless rate compared with the extremely critical market situation, while D.S. economy was held hostage by Audacity of Nope, and time was running out.
Prior to the full recovery, the Stimulus Package was all about Lehman Brothers or not of D.S. economy.

2. Last year, Warren buffet warmed in an interview with NBC that the D.S. economy was in free fall. Plus, tragically, the Japan economic leader committed suicide before the strong export report, last year.
As we know, blocking Free Fall From Cliff requires multiple efforts.

3. Global austerity policy dealt a harsh blow to the burgeoning economic activity. By ruling out this critical factor, Power-only party of objection for objection & Almost Dead Media led Independents to Fuel reps Gains.

4. As a groundwork, the Stimulus Package alone can't complete a perfect building. Sadly, extension of oil wars displaced Energy Independence or A Jobs law, empowering the war party and leaving healthcare law near demise before survival. Accordingly, the Stimulus Package lost momentum creating Synergy.

5. The most efficient deficit-cut way of government would be slashing the destructive war & military waste.
Slashing the destructive war & military waste alone supposedly could be enough to balance the budget.
Regrettably. opponents are instead critical of sound investments. ( Depression : New Deal = Great Recession : Stimulus Package (Groundwork) )
05:20 PM on 11/07/2010
There is no chance of it getting repealed

If Democrats play it smart, they can show how MANY parts of it are wanted by the public AND how much it will cost to repeal it

Republicans will have absolutely no answers when confronted by this and will lose a good bit of its independent support
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08:04 AM on 11/05/2010
OK!! And the Democrats were going to be in power for the next 40 years. Obama got a sobering lesson Tuesday. Even now, he's starting to crack, with regards to the Bush tax cuts, something that (prior to Tuesday) was nearly unthinkable. Obama didn't listen to the Republicans for one reason: He didn't have to do so. NOW, he does.

He dared the Republicans 8 months ago, he DARED the Republicans to run on repealing ObamaCare, thinking there's no way they'd win on such a platform. Well, they did run on that and they won, BIG TIME.
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03:29 PM on 11/04/2010
The democrats lost because of the Fox Viewers, berate all Fox viewers.
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03:20 PM on 11/04/2010
This should have been a census question. Do you want health care repealed? More accurate than a Corporate poll.
09:28 AM on 11/04/2010
Federal Employees Health Benefits Program

As soon as members of Congress are sworn in, they may participate in the Federal Employees Health Benefits Program (FEHBP). The program offers an assortment of health plans from which to choose, including fee-for-service, point-of-service, and health maintenance organizations (HMOs). In addition, Congress members can also insure their spouses and their dependents.

Not only does Congress get to choose from a wide range of plans, but there’s no waiting period. Unlike many Americans who must struggle against precondition clauses or are even denied coverage because of those preconditions, Senators and Representatives are covered no matter what - effective immediately.

And here’s the best part. The government pays up to 75 percent of the premium. That government, of course, is funded by taxpayers, the same taxpayers who often cannot afford health care themselves.

And the Congressional perks don’t stop with the FEHBP. According to the article “Health care as good as Congress gets,” by John Barry, a staff writer for the St. Petersburg Times, “Members of Congress have their own pharmacy, right in the Capitol. They also have a team of doctors, technicians and nurses standing by in case something busts in a filibuster. They can get a physical exam, an X-ray or an electrocardiogram, without leaving work.”

So, you tell me just how much of a "priority" health care is for either party.
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03:21 PM on 11/04/2010
it should be renamed the Obama Federal Employees Health Benefits Program. Then the deniers would want to repeal it,
03:56 AM on 11/04/2010
the tea party are gonna be mad when they find out.
02:07 AM on 11/04/2010
While I understand your point and also support health care, I think it's unwise to say that there is "absolutely" no relationship between a health care vote and a loss until you do a basic statistical analysis. As I recall, the bill was a nearly perfect partisan split. According to the NY Times, only three Democrats voted against it in the House (http://cityroom.blogs.nytimes.com/2010/09/29/911-health-care-bill-passes/ ), while 17 Republicans voted for it. Since most of the losers last night were Democrats, it's safe to say that most of those D's who were running for re-election voted FOR the health care bill. And so I'll bet you a dollar to a doughnut that there is a very high correlation between those D's who voted for the bill and those D's who lost Tuesday night. Just sayin'.

On a sadder note, that may be the highest number of House Democrats to vote for anything for the next several years.
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03:25 PM on 11/04/2010
The howl from the rainy day patriots in the pub party if they proposed the bill and one dem voted against it.
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11:05 PM on 11/03/2010
"Democrats shouldn't be cowed when the Republicans claim a mandate for repeal."

Give me an instance when the Dems weren't cowed during the last two years, when they didn't give away the store BEFORE every fight.
10:00 PM on 11/03/2010
Democrats were elected with a mandate to reform healthcare in 2008. Then Republicans told us that the polls from November 2008 don't matter, and that the current daily tracking polls are what really counts, so going against the current polling is akin to "shoving it down America's throats."

So now we can go by the precedent set by the Republicans and only pay attention to the daily polls. And since the current polling shows a majority do not want repeal, they have to do what America wants and not shove repeal of healthcare down America's throats. Otherwise they will pay in November 2012.

They should also pass a public option since a majority wants it.
09:59 PM on 11/03/2010
Also, in Colorado, an anti-health-care-reform ballot initiative was defeated. This happened even though it was written and pitched to appeal to liberals who oppose the individual mandate.
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09:07 PM on 11/03/2010
My candidates campaigned on repeal of Obamacare. Since they won, seems like their mandate is clear.
09:57 PM on 11/03/2010
Obama campaigned on a platform including health care reform, and one a huge national election, with a much higher turnout than this year. Since he one, seems like the mandate for health care reform was clear. The 18-month fulltime anti-health-care-reform noise machine should not be confused with a direction for national policy.
10:02 PM on 11/03/2010
You guys spent the last 2 years telling us that the election result didn't matter and what really counts is the current daily polling. A majority don't want repeal, so don't try to shove it down our throats.
08:43 PM on 11/03/2010
Robbing Peter to pay Paul will always have the consent of Paul.

If he's a liberal.
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11:08 PM on 11/03/2010
And you are Peter? What specifically has been taken from you?
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02:59 AM on 11/04/2010
They do not have any specific responses when challenged on their talking points.
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03:26 PM on 11/04/2010
My rational thinking
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08:18 PM on 11/03/2010
I think Richard Kirsch has it right. There was no mandate from last nite's vote to repeal Obamacare. Last night's vote was just the warning shot over the bow. The mandate to repeal Obamacare is scheduled for 2012.