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All B.A.s Are Worth It. Some More Than Others.

Posted: 05/31/11 12:21 PM ET

The report (PDF), "What's it Worth: the Economic Value of College Degrees," Georgetown University put out last week on the earnings of college graduates, based on their majors, likely prompted some frank Memorial Day weekend discussions between parents and their soon-to-be freshmen about the wonderful lives that petroleum engineers lead. You'll go to faraway, exotic places in search for oil! You'll use cool devices that look inside the earth! And you have a good shot at earning $120,000, or more, annually.

On the other hand, son or daughter, if you want to study psychology and counsel people, you might earn only $29,000 per year, or even less. It's hard to repay college loans on that salary, let alone cover rent. ("By the way, Mom and I plan to turn your bedroom into a den.")

The report's quantification of the vast differences between the lowest earning majors and the highest drew the most attention from journalists and bloggers. That information was new, and rankings always attract clicks. What deserved more attention and analysis, however, was the report's unequivocal assertion that, regardless of major, there is no more certain investment than a college education.

That's consistent with decades of data, as well as with the thrust of the Obama administration's education policies. But it's worth restating because some elites are questioning the value of college. Some economists on the left say the U.S. has enough college graduates to drive a robust economy. Others on the right say that because more college graduates are now working at jobs that don't require a degree, they shouldn't have bothered to go to college in the first place.

That was also the main theme of a May 19 story in the New York Times that used anecdotes, as well as employment data for recent graduates, to suggest that for many, college had been a waste.

That's an incredibly shortsighted way of looking at the situation. I suspect that relatively few lifelong careers are launched by first jobs. There is no expiration date on the knowledge and skills learned in college. Aren't we told all the time that today's graduates will pursue multiple careers during their working lives?

Indeed, last fall the Times reported that the value of a college education was growing, not eroding. After 11 years in the workforce, that report found, college graduates' higher earnings "compensated for four years out of the labor force and for student loans, at 6.8 percent interest, to cover the average tuition and fees at a public four-year university."

Students who attend high priced, no-name schools and graduate with enormous debts, but without learning much, may not have the same good fortune. Indeed, the wide variance in earnings reported by Georgetown reminds us that a college credential is not a vaccination against unemployment or low wages. What students get out of it depends in part on what school they attend, how engaged they are in learning and what they study.

Graduates' job prospects also depend on whether they've gotten internships, taken full advantage of their college's placement office, linked up with alumni, stayed current with the field they're interested in and pursued opportunities to volunteer. Schooling alone doesn't guarantee career success. But without it, many, many doors are permanently closed.

 

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The report (PDF), "What's it Worth: the Economic Value of College Degrees," Georgetown University put out last week on the earnings of college graduates, based on their majors, likely prompted some fr...
The report (PDF), "What's it Worth: the Economic Value of College Degrees," Georgetown University put out last week on the earnings of college graduates, based on their majors, likely prompted some fr...
 
 
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09:23 AM on 06/07/2011
The problem is that I see so many of my peers who are in class solely to get that requirement sot hey can graduate with some vague business or communications degree that they think will guarantee a job. I agree that college is only what you put in to it. If you put in nothing, you get nothing and many people wonder why they aren't marketable. They do the minimum. My experience in college has been very rewarding and well worth the debt because I've grown as a person and expanded my skills and knowledge base. Not only that, I participated any many activities outside of class and really embraced the liberal arts education that my university puts forth. If more students would do the same, they might find college is more than just an avenue to a better job.
12:34 AM on 06/03/2011
Students are not likely to get more out of an education that they put into it. If they learn to discipline themselves and work hard, they will find that they have learned a valuable skill that will stand them well in their adult life. If they take a tough and demanding course of study and master it, they will have learned something, even if they never pursue that area in the future. I remember one class in Grad School that took from 40 to 60 hours a week, utterly insane. But I learned a lot. My current work is far from the fields that I studied, but I am on my 4th Chief Scientist / CTO gig at this point. The skills you learn in mastering tough material stand you in good stead as you deal with the changes in the world and environment. A good education is worthwhile. But you will have to work hard at it.
01:28 AM on 06/02/2011
Psychology always seems to be the go-to "worthless" degree. The main reasons it produces a low average salary are: social work, low-level counseling (even doctorate-level doesn't pay you like a "doctor"), and women. I'm of course talking about the contingent of women who are more willing to stunt their careers for personal reasons, which is considerably larger than that of men. And probably 80% of psychology majors are women.

Those who make money with this degree work in business and academia.

I suggest, though, we spread the "useless" vibe around more democratically. A psychology degree is probably the best non-business degree for acquiring communicative and relational skills, with a nicely developed mind for science and empirical reasoning, along with a good stats foundation. Because of these factors it is far, far more transferable to a career in business than Art History, Fine Arts, English, or History (which the CEO of Bank of America holds an undergrad degree in), none of which seem to get the same bad rap as the default "useless" degree.

It is a fine choice, at least in a hypothetical sense, for transferring to professional sales gigs, general management, anything in HR, and the plethora of consultative roles that combine a lot of people skills with analytical reasoning.
12:13 AM on 06/03/2011
The school is as important as the degree. America is dumbing down kids through government intrusion and teacher unions that revise curriculum - downward. A HS diploma means nothing today as many grads are illiterate. The same applies to many college grads.

Many kids go to college to "party". Combine that with lower standards, and we have an older Johnnie who cannot read. Not a foe of education, my wife and son hold 2 degrees, and I hold 3. The purpose of college should be to educate in a particular disciplne, or teach one to think.

Psychology majors don't make the cut because it is a general field, and a disputed "science".

My son holds a B.A. (philosophy, theology and English), and M.L.A., from a tough school. He is in national honor societies in Political Science and International Studies; an accomplished vocalist (won a national contest) and musician; speaks 3 languages; holds a Black Belt in Karate; is a qualified parachutist and certified scuba diver; and served two tours as a combat officer. He recently commenced a junior executive position with a major oil company at $100K.

He reached this point because of ability, education at tough schools where he was trained to think outside the box, self-discipline and motivation. A classic liberal arts education helped him handle challanges. He can talk about the arts, history, philosophy, theology, warfare and command, etc, and is truly a renaisance man with great communication skills - qualities major companies seek.
12:39 AM on 06/03/2011
Psychology is a general field...as opposed to a specific field? You've said nothing here. And its scientific relevance is not in dispute. Efficacy of therapy is (PsyD's, etc), but that's an occupational matter and has nothing to do with this conversation.

Bottom line, don't dispute major credentials with me and then counter with philosophy, theology, and English--the holy trinity of "I'm just trying to figure things out, man." If anything your wunderkind son is an example of the very thing that proves my point--majors don't really mean a whole lot in and of themselves at the end of the day. In a normal economy, English majors work on Wall Street.
01:06 AM on 06/07/2011
So the BA is the least of his achievements then?
01:05 AM on 06/07/2011
They are almost all worthless. BA will gain you a job at McDs in todays world, and everyone knows that the MBA grads will have the prestige of working at Red Lobster.