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Rick Jacobs

Posted: February 3, 2010 07:33 PM

Prop 8 Trial + DADT Debate = Death Rattle of the Right Wing

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Last night, I watched Lt. Dan Choi and Gen. Wesley Clark face off against Tony Perkins of the Family Research Council and Lt. Col. Robert Maginnis on Larry King Live.

The topic was "Don't Ask, Don't Tell" (DADT), but the subject at hand was how America deals with minorities. Just as I saw during the Prop. 8 trial, Mr. Perkins raised the shibboleths of fear and division in an America that he apparently no longer loves.

What has DADT to do with same-sex marriage? In effect, everything. For nearly a year, Lt. Choi has been the picture of the American patriot, a West Point graduate who is fluent in Arabic and who served our nation in Iraq. Dan is not a political animal; he is passionate, determined and simply desires to honor the nation that gave his parents and him the opportunity to live freely. When Dan "came out" on the Rachel Maddow show last March, the military machinery slowly, inexorably came after him, determined to remove this highly trained, valued soldier from their midst for being himself.

Last June, 162,741 Courage Campaign members signed letters of support that Dan presented at his Army discharge hearing and that are now part of Dan's official record. Fortunately, Dan has not yet been dismissed, though his discharge is under review. (We currently have nearly 500,000 letters of support for Dan to Speaker Pelosi, President and Obama and the US Army.)

While yesterday's congressional hearing was remarkable and welcome in many ways, we do not need to wait to save his job. Will Dan still be fired? How many other Dans will be fired while the military studies this issue again?

We saw Tony Perkins taking talking points from the Prop. 8 campaign that were revealed at the trial. Mr. Perkins threatened on the Larry King show that "we might have to return to the draft" if we allow gays and lesbians to serve openly because so many soldiers would either quit the military or not enlist. Mr. Perkins went further, saying that President Obama is putting the country at risk because the Joint Chiefs have been asked to review the DADT policy in a time of war. Finally, Mr. Perkins recalled having showered together with 80 men while he was in the military and said he'd feel threatened by a gay man showering there with him.

Okay, got that? If we let those 66,000 or so gays and lesbians who now serve in the armed forces (according to UCLA's Williams Institute) stop lying and be open, we'll have to reinstate the draft, we'll lose wars and Mr. Perkins' own heterosexual identity -- which is apparently quite weak -- will be threatened. In other words, the gays will eat you and destroy our country.

Mr. Perkins played a key role in the Prop. 8 trial. He used many of these same words when he said on a video that was used to scare the religious right into supporting Prop. 8. At that time, he said that if gays and lesbians marry, we will have more incest, pedophilia and eventually polygamy. He said that. And his other allies in the fight to separate Americans from each other joined right in.

That was the basis of their defense in the Prop. 8 trial: If gays and lesbians are allowed to marry, America will collapse. And now they are extending that argument about marriage to the military.

Mr. Perkins admitted on Larry King Live last night that "times have changed." What he did not admit is that he hates these times and really hates America. He craves a return to a mythical time in this country when white men ruled, when wives did as they were told and when his country club only had people in it who looked like him.

We saw at the Prop. 8 trial that people like Tony Perkins and Ron Prentice have used fear and stereotype for decades to prevent gays and lesbians from being equal citizens, blocking them from the institutions of marriage and the military.

We will not allow these libels to continue to fly across the airwaves unchecked. That's precisely why President Obama was right to demand that DADT be overturned, though he waited longer than many would like. Meanwhile, our national security suffers as Arabic linguists like Dan Choi lose their jobs or don't even join up. That's why Courage Campaign http://www.couragecampaign.org/page/s/DontWait" target="_hplink">is asking Senator Levin to add the DADT repeal now to the defense budget bill.

The time has come for the courts to rule that discrimination is un-American. As lives continue to be ruined across our country, that decision to make full equality the law of our land can't come a moment too soon. And the time has long past for us to realize that Tony Perkins and his shrinking band of hysteria is as fantastical as the Mad Hatter's swirling tea cups at Disneyland.


P.S. This in from Dan: "We are conducting infantry training to include rifle marksmanship, combat assault drills and combat life saver qualifications. It is absolutely mission critical to train on these and I could not think of a better way to contribute to mission readiness than to attend this training, especially after the commitments and words we heard in the senate yesterday." I suppose Tony Perkins thinks Dan's service will lead to a draft or to the End of America.

 

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eyecon
Retired CEO & Quality-Mgmt Consultant
09:59 AM on 02/22/2010
Is this the same Perkins who purchased David Duke's mailing list? Is this the same Perkins who has spoken at white supremacist events?

Yes it is. It is the same Tony Perkins. Bigot to the core.
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imperator prime
liberal INTJ agnostic militant guy-on-guy's guy.
02:39 AM on 02/19/2010
Can I posit that maybe the reason the religious wingnuts are *so* insistent about DADT (besides their generalized homophobia based on rules dictated by a deity whose very existence is questionable) is that they're afraid that if gay people are allowed to serve in a high-profile civic institution like the military-- which seems to be a shortcut to some sort of broader legitimacy when commenting on damned-near anything-- that they'll become more visible representatives of "the gays" as normal, honourable, sacrificing, valuable members of society and undermine the cultural stereotypes that make it easier to vilify and suppress gay people.

Consider how many people in esteemed positions aren't really experts or particularly qualified to be doing what they're doing, but they get this social/political capital to spend for having served in the military. Former generals with no background in law get elected to legislative positions because their communities *respect* the fact that they served in uniform. Perhaps that's the real objective in keeping gay from openly serving-- to keep them from earning the kind of respect that could parlay into gay-friendly political or social influence later.
08:37 PM on 02/09/2010
Funny how a supposed "man of God" predicts a hope that others will demonstrate hate instead of acceptance in finally facing this issue. If these soldiers are so fearful of a fellow gay United States soldier, perhaps fighting against terrorists daily for thier lives is not the profession for them in the first place. What posssible situation is Mr. Perkins fanticising about occurring? If these fears were valid they would have already been realized by now. You see Mr. Perkins, the gay men and women are already proudly serving thier country. They are already serving together without incident. It's just time we can all be enlightened, Christian adults and admit it.
03:21 PM on 02/09/2010
I want to know what is wrong with a Draft?

My father had it
my grand father had it
my great grand father had it
The first generation of my family was drafted and given a gun and sent to the virginia as soon has he got off the boat.

A draft with out exceptions would stop wars of choice, and make all people realize we can't just send young men to die and get injured in some place with not clear goals.

It would hold our elected officials to realize that people not profits matter more.

Let gays in the service, if they want to fight let them. Just don't ask them to lie, in order to serve.
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GeorgeBurnsWasRight
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09:48 AM on 02/06/2010
One of the things missing from this debate is the fact that people who are entering the military now are of a generation which is much less homophobic than older generations. The arguments against repealing DADT are almost all coming from older people who are stuck in the attitudes which prevailed decades ago.
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plasma001
11:52 AM on 02/06/2010
That may be correct sir, that is why I propose that when (IF) congress changes the law, that the military have a 6-month window where those individuals who are in (or awaiting to come in through the DEP) can elect Honorable Discharge or termination of contract (for those in DEP). Once that is done, change the rule and enforce with with the same vigor the the military enforces all other discrimination rules. This would give the services time to adjust to any changes in active duty staffing and give the information to the President and Congress to adequately assess impact.
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BigGayInc
11:54 AM on 02/05/2010
Can someone, anyone, explain to me why Tony Perkins or The Family Research Council is even involved in this debate on the repeal of DADT? They arent a part of the military as far as I can see. They have nothing to do with the military or it's ridiculous ban on gay soldiers so again why is Tony Perkins even in the discussion? And why does CNN constantly put them on when talking about DADT?
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ryukage
10:14 PM on 02/05/2010
Probably to give the other side of story, no matter how absurd it.
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sscoop4
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05:51 PM on 02/09/2010
I agree&it's most definitely Genetic&NOT an Issue of choice!Everybody has Genetic differences!Accept the Damned Fact that Homosexuality exists in all Species&it's as Natural as having Ears or a Nose for Christ Sake!Grow up you Imbeciles&accept a PROVEN Reality!& why does CNN use these Homophobic Idiots to comment on anything except "Do they like their HappyMeal at McD's)
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Horus45
Liberal Activist, anti-Fascist
11:50 AM on 02/05/2010
The Right still likes to insist that Homosexuality is a "Choice", but anyone who personally knows someone who is gay knows that that is pure BS.
I have a friend who I have known since we were 7 years old and we always knew he was gay from that early age. He did not actually admit to being gay until he was 19, but I told him that I always knew and it did not matter to me.

As a scientist I firmly believe that it is genetic, but that has not been confirmed yet.
12:07 PM on 02/05/2010
Just think about it in these terms:

Did you choose your sexuality? If not, why would anyone assume that someone else had chosen his or her sexuality?

I'm straight. I didn't choose to be, I just am.
11:38 AM on 02/05/2010
A number of troops in Iraq were electrocuted while showering because of inadequate, substandard, unsafe construction work done by subcontractors. Now THAT is is shower issue!
11:34 AM on 02/05/2010
Let's just get DADT over with! Any residual issues can be sorted out after the fact. People serving in the military will likely simply work them out among themselves. It ain't like we're dealing with nuclear devices here!
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plasma001
01:31 PM on 02/05/2010
Spoken just like somebody who has always had total control over their life. Military people (especially junior enlisted) do not and any change in policy affects them the most.

A framework of rules and infrastructure MUST be put in place before a change this big is enacted.
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satanlite
Liberal blogger
01:53 PM on 02/05/2010
Like what? what rules and infrarstructure are you talking about? Separate but equal barracks? you spout nonsense and I think that YOU think our military men and women are somehow mentally defective in some way. I don't. I think some just plain don't belong in an environment that trains them in deadly skills and then places them in foriegn lands as de facto representatives of ME and YOU. If they can't handle being around a gay person THEY ARE NOT QUALIFIED MENTALLY to serve in our military.

The rules an "infrastructure" is already there. It's called common freaking sense.
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sprtakis69
Shouldn't all people be entitled to Equal rights?
03:02 PM on 02/05/2010
They may not have control of the laws they have to follow but I surely hope they have control of themselves and the decisions they make about love/hate/acceptance/ignorance/maturity.
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Erzsebet Gilbert
author, expat, traveler
11:12 AM on 02/05/2010
How threatened is a sense of heterosexual identity that it should be so threatened by the presence of the LGBTQ? Seriously, how weak is your marriage if the love between two men or women shakes it to its very foundations? How skittery is your army if it's spooked by somebody in the next bunk?

I'm just so baffled at this continuing fear of another way to love.
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lizt
former Army officer/lifelong liberal/pdx biker
11:11 AM on 02/05/2010
Mr Perkins is assuming that any gay men would actually find him attractive enough to hit on. LMAO! As my gay friends would say "IN YOUR DREAMS!"
11:16 AM on 02/05/2010
"Would you like those wet or dry?"
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BigGayInc
02:29 PM on 02/05/2010
LOL I know right!
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liveinhope23
My unauthorized autobiography
11:01 AM on 02/05/2010
Here's my "modest proposal"

When young men and women join the military, why not take the opportunity to throw a little education their way? Police officers are required to attend classes dealing with racial sensitivity etc., we could certainly benefit as a nation by pursuing a more enlightened agenda with our soldiers.
I also believe that if you are discharged from the military for ANY kind of prejudice, hate crime etc., you should be sentenced with a life-long ban from joining any paramilitary organizations like Blackwater (or whatever new moniker they are hiding behind this week). We don't need people like that armed.

In short, instead of putting the onus of "fitting in" on gay people (which they have been saddled with for far too long already) , let's realize that the problem to be addressed is the military's. I do not, for a moment, subscribe to arguments like "well, some of our under-educated, narrow-minded, concrete-skulled, homphobic soldiers won't like it".
Who cares?
Integration? - some of the racist soldiers didn't like it.
Women in the service? - some of the sexist soldiers didn't like it.
The military has been a (slowly) evolving world. Re-define the parameters of service in the military to include all willing Americans who are capable of service.
If you don't like the terms, don't sign up.
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LeftRight
TANSTAAFL
01:05 PM on 02/05/2010
Um.... I don't know how it compares to police officers, but I know that when I was in boot camp we spent around 25 hours of training on issues like sexual harrasment, racial equality, etc, and how there was zero tolerance for violating those rules....
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plasma001
01:33 PM on 02/05/2010
I was in when "Tailhook" went down and it was a BUNCH more than 25 hours of off-duty Saturday GMT. It was AWFUL especially considering Tailhook was a bunch of spoiled-brat pilots in Vegas and I was just a junior enlisted kid. WE weren't even allowed to be there!
10:38 AM on 02/05/2010
I could have cried when Lt. Choi, when asked whether he would quit, replied that he is a soldier and does not quit. The military takes high-school dropouts and "non-violent" felons and would turn away a West Point, Arabic-speaking, hero like Lt. Choi - that might be the reason we're not doing so well in the war games.
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sprtakis69
Shouldn't all people be entitled to Equal rights?
11:31 AM on 02/05/2010
non-violent felons have morals!!!

;-)
03:30 PM on 02/05/2010
Your implication is that homosexuals do not - have morals. Lovely. Another jerk - just what this world needs.
04:12 PM on 02/05/2010
I stand corrected and I sincerely apologize. And I thank Plasma001 for appropriately chastizing me.

I don't know everyone here - obviously, but I get so tired of all the hate - I missed your intention. Dumb me!

I'm fanning you so that won't happen again.
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Willow712
democratic socialst
10:35 AM on 02/05/2010
I grew up in Colorado Springs, and I am wondering if Tony Perkins is related to Will Perkins. Because Tony Perkins sounds like a stronger conservative right wing evangelical Taliban Will Perkins.

Someone needs to tell Mr. Perkins that he's been showering with gay men since junior high school showers. Surprise!
09:10 AM on 02/05/2010
Why are so many men so utterly threatened by the mere presence of male homosexuals?

I mean my GOD, if propositioned by someone they find unattractive for any reason, all they have to say is "No".

Or better yet, " No thanks".

After all, we women have been doing it for EONS.

Hell people like that should instead feel eternally grateful anyone---any living creature for that matter---found them attractive enough to proposition.

Why is having to turn down someone who invites you to enjoy intimacy with them SOOO.....scary?
What a bunch of wimps.

And this is who we choose/ allow/ employ to defend us? Lawrence of Arabia they are NOT.

This picture needs to change, and change fast. The U.S. military is certainly no place for such quaking, weak-personalitied scaredy-cats.
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09:43 AM on 02/05/2010
My secure-with-himself straight friend Matt once said to me, "I'm flattered when a gay guy finds me attractive. Heck, I'll take the compliments as long as I can get'em."

Now, that's a well-adjusted heterosexual male.

FANNED
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plasma001
01:23 PM on 02/05/2010
Well if it isn't my friend who likes to throw insults without knowing the story....

Now, that's a well-adjusted heterosexual male.
-That's true but not everybody is and when gays take the "bully pulpet" it puts off those who are not secure.

PS: I share the above sentiment it's good to know I can still turn a head...Or two.. But you CAN'T out of hand dismiss as b1goted the feelings of others..
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satanlite
Liberal blogger
09:50 AM on 02/05/2010
"The U.S. military is certainly no place for such quaking, weak-personalitied scaredy-cats."

I'd add to that statement "... who carry guns and are prompted by their religious leaders to carry out the good crusade against the non Christians."
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sprtakis69
Shouldn't all people be entitled to Equal rights?
11:35 AM on 02/05/2010
I'm a Christian and I think you need to remove "prompted by their religious leaders to carry out the good crusade against the non Christians."

USN(ret)
89-09
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plasma001
01:36 PM on 02/05/2010
Do you HONESTLY expect EVERY 17-21 year old kid from the MIDDLE of NOWHERE to be completely comfortable showering with OPENLY gay members of the SAME SEX (and yes, they still do in boot camp)?

That my friend is NOT realistic.

It is the same as telling the 17-21 yr old young ladies that they will now be showering with the men but don't worry eveybody will be professional.