iPhone app iPad app Android phone app Android tablet app More

Featuring fresh takes and real-time analysis from HuffPost's signature lineup of contributors
Rick Newman

GET UPDATES FROM Rick Newman
 

The Phony 'Gender Wars'

Posted: 04/19/2012 11:52 am

As if men and women don't already have enough to bicker about, the media is now gleefully stoking a made-up battle over who matters more: men or women?

In her new book The Richer Sex, for example, journalist Liza Mundy musters reams of data to show that women are becoming a more powerful economic force than men. Inside the covers, she points out that this trend could benefit men as well as women. Yet the provocative title suggests a winner-take-all competition between the two genders, an oversimplified meme that has set off plenty of hyperventilating in the media.

Marriage isn't cool any more, as sociologist Eric Klinenberg points out in his recent book, Going Solo. More women are forging careers and having children without a male partner, as if a dab of sperm is all they really need from men. Later this year, we'll get to debate anew whether we've really reached "the end of men," as Hanna Rosin will argue in a forthcoming book derived from a controversial 2010 story in The Atlantic. And of course Mitt Romney and Barack Obama will keep us on high gender alert with their ongoing battle over who's more hostile to women.

I'm not going to summon more mind-numbing data to refute the idea of a gender war, because on debates like this there's usually "expert" evidence supporting both sides, which leads precisely nowhere. Practically everybody ends up believing what they started out believing, because they find a factoid or a pundit to validate their view.

Instead of that, how about simply applying some common sense to the whole question. Are gender wars really a common family problem? Do families break apart and relationships falter because men are irrelevant and fail to recognize their own obsolescence? Do men and women really tussle over who is the dominant economic power?

Many of us can point to a personal anecdote or two about dropout Dads, breadwinner Moms or gender-bent household arrangements. But on the whole, what I seen happening among men and women -- Moms and Dads -- is a pragmatic and sensible effort to optimize opportunity, pool resources and achieve outcomes that are best for everybody. If there's a war, it's rather civil.

Women, for example, now earn the majority of bachelor's and advanced degrees. Plus, they tend to work in growing fields such as healthcare, whereas men are overrepresented in stagnant or shrinking fields like construction, manufacturing and middle management. That's why women are a growing economic force, as they have been for 20 years. But this is hardly a socially destructive trend. Instead, it gives many families an additional source of income and more options for getting ahead.

What happens in most families is a kind of negotiation among partners and spouses, who recognize the changing prospects of men and women in real time and make rational adjustments. If a woman can earn more than her husband, she's likely to work more than he does, while the man stays home and handles more of the household chores. It doesn't always work smoothly, but it does give a family more choices than they'd have in a rigid setup where only the man worked. In a business, that would be considered efficient allocation of resources. In a family, it's a gender revolution.

Single women these days seem to represent an even more emphatic rejection of the traditional role they once played. In the new TV series Girls, twentysomething women have depersonalized sex just like men, shucking the guilt of their forbears to the foot of the bed. These, presumably, are same women who will raise kids without even expecting a man to be involved, and perhaps make it all the way to old age without ever having to rely on a man.

You go girl! Just keep in mind that in real life, it can be kind of nice to have a man around every now and then. Anybody who knows a single Mom, especially one who works, knows that the power and the glory of depending on nobody evaporates as soon as a kid gets sick, there's a call from the authorities or it suddenly seems impossible to keep up with everything that goes wrong with kids. The same goes for single Dads, who don't generate as many book titles but still represent a meaningful sliver of our fragmenting society. Everybody needs help and companionship. Sometimes, a lot.

The bottom line is that people need people. There are fewer social rules than there were a generation or two ago, which has given men and women both more freedom to find flexible arrangements that work for them. What's really going on is a lot of trial and error, as men and women experiment with new roles. Unlike a war, however, this sometimes-messy experiment is heading toward a new equilibrium that may just make everybody better off. But don't tell the pundits. It will ruin their storyline.

 
 
 

Follow Rick Newman on Twitter: www.twitter.com/rickjnewman

FOLLOW WOMEN
As if men and women don't already have enough to bicker about, the media is now gleefully stoking a made-up battle over who matters more: men or women? In her new book The Richer Sex, for example, jo...
As if men and women don't already have enough to bicker about, the media is now gleefully stoking a made-up battle over who matters more: men or women? In her new book The Richer Sex, for example, jo...
 
 
  • Comments
  • 484
  • Pending Comments
  • 0
  • View FAQ
Comments are closed for this entry
View All
Favorites
Highlights
Recency  | 
Popularity
Page: 1 2 3  Next ›  Last »  (3 total)
09:27 PM on 04/24/2012
EdCorey1971 you said, "I stopped talking to her when she said: "While there have always been good men who would not kill a woman for displeasing him most of them have done precious little to stop other men from killing their wives or daughters if the whim took them."

Image that, men allowing their wives and daughters to be killed on a whim while they stand by idly and do nothing. There is no hope for some people. "

To which I must reply that you also need to work on your reading comprehension. If you take a moment to reread what I wrote it MIGHT become apparent to you that I spoke of men not doing anything to stop other men from killing THEIR OWN wives and daughters, not someone standing by while THEIR wife or daughter is killed by someone else. How you managed to get THAT from my comment eludes me but it also tells me a lot about where your head is at... and it's not a pretty place.
photo
IslamicPacifist
Her body- Her choice- Her problem.
01:39 PM on 04/25/2012
Right. Because there aren't numerous examples of men gathering pitchforks and dragging men into the streets and pummeling him on mere speculation that he MIGHT have been abusive.
03:31 PM on 04/25/2012
Um, no there actually are not numerous examples of that. But if you care to share actual documentation on a few isolated examples, please feel free.
MaryIndy
There's more than corn in Indiana.
05:05 PM on 04/24/2012
I've heard very few women in my 55 years say that they don't "need" men. I guess you have to define "need." I think we're confusing traditional gender roles to a certain extent, honestly. I was raised with Leave it to Beaver, but it wasn't that way in my home. And I don't know anyone else who had that life either. What's a woman or man to do? What is it that so many men think women are rejecting or don't need? What is the secret signal we're giving?
photo
IslamicPacifist
Her body- Her choice- Her problem.
01:41 PM on 04/25/2012
It's because you're old.
I hear it/read it all of the time
You can't even listen to the radio without hearing it
MaryIndy
There's more than corn in Indiana.
04:10 PM on 04/26/2012
That's pretty funny. I guess I better get out my cane and my hearing aid, oh, and you know, everything you hear on the "radio", that wireless device, is true. Please. Islamic Pacifist, you say?
photo
HUFFPOST SUPER USER
giftsthatpurr
zestful life
10:39 PM on 04/28/2012
WOW - if a person is old they can no longer hear? Ageist.
03:21 PM on 04/24/2012
I agree with everything you say, but I think this is really a class issue.

For middle-class professionals, there isn't a problem. For working class families there is.

Despite all the numbers on women earning college degrees, most women right now earn less than their husbands. And you're right, it isn't a war between men and women. Women want their husbands to be able to get work.
photo
Terence Manuel
Confine yourself to the present.
08:00 PM on 04/23/2012
"What's really going on is a lot of trial and error, as men and women experiment with new roles."

Agree. We're both just muddling through.
photo
jf12
Esta vez saldré como las otras y me escaparé.
10:59 PM on 04/23/2012
Nah. We're hurtling towards the only other possible equilibrium besides monogamy, which is harems for some and involuntary celibacy for others. Be sure and remind the pundits.
photo
Terence Manuel
Confine yourself to the present.
06:35 AM on 04/24/2012
Well, if this is true I will have a harem. To hell with the celibacy crap. I just don't think there are enough men to satisfy the number of females. So, I don't think the harems is a general solution. It might be the solution for some.....

Btw, I decided against the relationship with my friend L. Thought about it long and hard. Too risky. I think I would have ended up with zippy in the end. She is disappointed. Now I will wait for her wrath!

When in doubt, don't.
photo
jf12
Esta vez saldré como las otras y me escaparé.
03:15 PM on 04/23/2012
There is no possibility ever of true equality between the genders unless and until the satisfaction of their libidos are equalized. Since it is an inconvenient truth that if women's libidos were anywhere up in the same neighborhood as men's that nothing else would ever get done, the social engineers decided to go the other way. With lesser libidos than previou generationss, now young men increasingly don't care at all and have opted out, so less is getting done anyway.
02:26 PM on 04/23/2012
A "gender war" split my marriage - my ex-husband could not stand the fact that I out-earned him considerably. Ironically, he then asked for substantial alimony because I made so much more than him. With respect to Romney and Obama's "ongoing battle over who is more hostile to women," your article glosses over some basic facts: the GOP would have laws on contraception and abortion rolled back several decades, and supports laws that perpetuate less than equal pay for equal work by removing state enforcement rights. Take a look at Arizona and Wisconsin as examples, and you'll see that a war on women's rights is indeed being waged.
03:42 PM on 04/24/2012
"Ironically, he then asked for substantial alimony because I made so much more than him."

Why is this ironic? If he out-earned you, you wouldn't even have to ask for alimony because it would just be given to you, because you're a woman.
photo
HUFFPOST SUPER USER
giftsthatpurr
zestful life
10:41 PM on 04/28/2012
Now you knowthat is not true! Stop lying.
MaryIndy
There's more than corn in Indiana.
04:20 PM on 04/24/2012
I agree. I thought he glossed over this. Because it's not important to him, I guess, or these are things that he thinks can be easily overcome...and they are if money isn't an issue. But having enough money is an issue for many, many women, all the more reason they need access. Whether we like it or not, money = power of all kinds.
09:16 AM on 04/23/2012
Reading not only this article but through the numerous comments has proved one thing to me. There are still an awful lot of men out there with no respect for women and no few with an outright hatred of us. Thanks for refuting the author's point, good job guys.
photo
HUFFPOST SUPER USER
Yellowcab
100 % Cotton
10:00 AM on 04/23/2012
It also proves there is an awful lot of women out there with no respect for MEN if not an outright hatred of them.

Yes, I'm looking at you, sister.
11:33 AM on 04/23/2012
Unfortunately, the scope of HISTORY shows that women's grievances with men are completely legitimate, and the abuse of women in general by men, right up to our present day worldwide, are very well documented. IF some women hate men generally (I know it will shock you to learn I am not among them) I cannot in good conscience tell them they have no reason to. I'm fairly certain that when the abuse STOPS we'll quit complaining.
01:56 PM on 04/23/2012
It is simply men speaking what they feel. The women's comments on here are just as hateful towards us men but nothing is said about that. You should treat people the way they want to treat you. I have no desire to show respect towards somebody that hates me.
04:08 PM on 04/23/2012
I sincerely doubt any of the women who have spoken out here hate you personally. That is an unwarranted disconnect. No woman hates all men and no woman hates a man she doesn't even know. However, it is not at all surprising for women to hate those who have harmed them or seek to harm them. Many men (and yes, it must be said, SOME women) in our government are currently seeking to greatly harm women. History has shown that many men have habitually harmed women. Any man who feels personally attacked by women calling out the men who have harmed them or seek to harm them needs to do some serious soul searching.
photo
HUFFPOST SUPER USER
giftsthatpurr
zestful life
10:56 PM on 04/28/2012
"women have damned near turned me into an MRA" - - wow what power we women have - we can turn you (almost) into an MRA. Do you have any responsibility for who you are and what you do? Perhaps you need to respect yourself enough to tke responsibility for your own feeling, thought, and behaviors.
HUFFPOST SUPER USER
MissTake1989
Equal means equal, hypocrites.
07:56 AM on 04/21/2012
It's simple really...

Any data that shows that men are better at things is just sexist generalization.

Any data that shows that women are better at something is gospel.

Saying that men need women in just common sense.

Saying that women need men is patriarchal tyranny.

These people are the real sexists and care only for advantage not fact or truth.
This user has chosen to opt out of the Badges program
01:20 PM on 04/21/2012
Favored for truth.
01:53 PM on 04/21/2012
faved for recognizing truth
12:40 PM on 04/23/2012
Nice.

And I'm just fanning you now? :)
photo
HUFFPOST SUPER USER
livingbettertherapy
Counselor, Therapist, Strategic Intervention
03:09 PM on 04/20/2012
A man can insure that he will become obsolete in his own marriage and family if he lives his life thinking that love is a feeling instead of an action and a duty. The man who chooses to love you and your children whether he feels like it or not, has "got your back" and is someone you can always depend on when times get tough. He never needs a designated driver because he has decided to soberly drive down a pathway of success for his family.

If you have made mistakes are in danger of becoming obsolete, try this: Put your significant other first for ninety days, work on reestablishing love in the marriage and see where you can compromise on conflicts because you will never agree about everything. Don't take your family for granted; give them the gift of making the effort.
03:20 AM on 04/21/2012
If you are married to a woman who has become narcissistic and manipulative, this is a recipe for disaster.
Morrisfactor
Just a little bent
02:09 PM on 04/23/2012
livingforbetter-

With normal women this is probably good advice, but if you are unlucky enough to have married someone with Borderline Personality Disorder (an estimated one in nine women have it), then prepare to be abused and abandoned.
12:42 PM on 04/25/2012
Good point.

Mental issues with today's "modern" women is on the rise. It's steadily increasing with their depression.
HUFFPOST SUPER USER
NOTSUPERMOM
A waste of a perfectly good Yale education
10:04 AM on 04/20/2012
Mr. Newman raises very important points. Every author has a thesis based on, perhaps, some anecdotes or even just thoughts they've had, and then go on to look for evidence to support what they have concluded to be true. It is easy to find such evidence. It is also easy to find data pointing in the other direction, which has been used by another author with the opposing thesis. These authors are well-imtentioned -- they are just blinded by their own perspective. What they have to say is valuable, taken the right way. The media creating a "male vs. female" culture war diverts attention from what these books or studies might actually be saying.

For instance, there have been a plethora of books about why the educational system is failing today's boys. Many are well-researched and also intuitive. There have also been a similar number of books about why the educational system is unfair to today's girls. Again, well-researched, etc. So parents of sons are up in arms about the schools favoring girls, and the parents of daughters are furious that their girls aren't being given a fair shot. But... maybe it's not about boys vs. girls, rather about an educational system that has become obsolete. Perhaps we need to focus on completely revamping the educational system, from the ground up, to meet the needs and challenges of todays' kids. Or we could just continue to see it as a gender issue.
HUFFPOST SUPER USER
MissTake1989
Equal means equal, hypocrites.
07:59 AM on 04/21/2012
No, it's boys vs. girls...

Whenever you bring up boys falling behind in school to a modern feminist...she will...

A- say it's boy's fault for being lazy (sexist generalizations).

B- ask what men are going to do for those boys....because you know...it's Team Pink vs. Team Blue...so here they expose the emptiness of their claim that feminism stands for equality for all.
01:35 PM on 04/21/2012
True we see women insisting men do more for women but when they are confronted with the reality of failing boys in our female dominated schools they demand men solve their own problems. Men have cooperated with feminist and shifted the focus off boys for decades and in that time boys have fallen ever further behind. The male culture of young male development was in many ways lost in the feminist cultural transition because feminist were hostile to any special treatment of boys all the while encouraging such things for females. The culture of molding boys into strong men has become a lost art.

Not surprisingly the very notion of a strong man was for decades made out to be a threat to women's rights. The dominant male was assumed to be bad for society and males were encouraged to be submissive and follow dominant females. The idea of a proud male identity was seen as backwards and sexist, while the proud female was heralded as an icon of modernity.

Feminism was not about equality which it viewed as a intermediate stage on the way to their Utopian ideal of a female lead society. It assumed superior female leadership would solve the worlds problems and still does. It made men out to be uniquely bad people who had caused most of the problems for thousands of years. Feminism as a ideology has been as sexist as the cultural memes it replaced half a century ago.
09:56 AM on 04/20/2012
If you think there is no gender war just look at the comments here and look at the dating trends these days. It's just a free for all with everybody using everybody. If women don't need men as they say I wish they would stop complaining about men not wanting to commit and men not wanting to grow up. If they don't need us why do they even care what we do? It's funny how sometimes you see an article talking about how women don't need men right next to an article complaining how men won't commit. Why would we want to commit to people who have been calling us useless and redundant?
This user has chosen to opt out of the Badges program
photo
livefortruth
There is only ONE truth.
03:54 PM on 04/20/2012
You and many others are missing the bottom line.

Men need to grow up and show up.

Women are waiting.
HUFFPOST SUPER USER
MissTake1989
Equal means equal, hypocrites.
08:00 AM on 04/21/2012
Men need to do as they told, I know...

How dare they think they their thoughts, feelings, wants or desires matter...
01:39 PM on 04/21/2012
That's funny because men were told they are not needed and when men used to grow up and support women for life we viewed them as no good sexist jerks.

I think men decided to go their own way instead of trying to live up to want women want from them. Have you considered men might be doing what they want to do or are they not allowed?

Don't strip a people of their respect and dignity and expect them to work themselves to the bone for your benefit.

Women can take care of themselves, and if they can afford it they can do for men what men used to and still do for them.
04:42 PM on 04/20/2012
Like I said if women don't need men and we are so redundant and useless then why do women care. Let us live in our peter pan world and women can do whatever they want without us. This is what women want isn't it?

Also the mature and stable type are exactly the kind of men who are getting divorced left and right when their women get bored.
03:21 AM on 04/21/2012
Exactly. Who cares what women are "waiting for"? Let them take men out to dinner, put their egos on the line and as men out. If they won't, no worries - there are more women out there.
photo
HUFFPOST SUPER USER
EdCorey1971
07:11 AM on 04/20/2012
"But on the whole, what I seen happening among men and women -- Moms and Dads -- is a pragmatic and sensible effort to optimize opportunity, pool resources and achieve outcomes that are best for everybody. If there's a war, it's rather civil."

Great article, and the above quote hit the nail on the head! All this nonsense about men and women being at war has always been, in my mind, over hyped pontificating over non issues lead by special interest groups, media and politicians vying for power during an election year. Nothing more - nothing less.
MaryIndy
There's more than corn in Indiana.
05:06 PM on 04/24/2012
There is a lot of truth there for 90% of us.
photo
HUFFPOST SUPER USER
AwesomeInfo
12:46 AM on 04/20/2012
Thank you Rick. It's about time someone in the media stops proliferating all the stupidity. Most men and women respect each other and work together toward solutions. All else is bitter pontification and bigotry about all the troubles one faces and how it is the issue with someone who doesn't look like them.

If equality is something we hope to achieve as a society, then we have to stop drawing lines for people to cross. Just continue to work with each other and we'll get there, dragging the older generation, kicking and screaming all the way. Relax, you won't remember all the hate in a few years anyway...
photo
HUFFPOST SUPER USER
AwesomeInfo
12:41 AM on 04/20/2012
"Just keep in mind that in real life, it can be kind of nice to have a man around every now and then."

Especially if you want to stay at home and take care of the kids like in the recent, stupid issue created for warring politicians. The government gets into the act and now wants the public to act as the "marriage" partner, providing insurance and income to those that want to be stay at home parents, but don't want a partner.

It's so much easier to say it than to live with it.
HUFFPOST SUPER USER
assatashakira
11:12 PM on 04/19/2012
I agree on a private level, but I would like for you to tell the women in Arizona&Wisconsin that there is no war on women. Btw.. .needing a man and wanting one are two different values.
01:16 AM on 04/20/2012
I believe that there is a legislative war on women being waged by a minority of men (and some women) in many states, but I think that on a personal level, most women and men love and appreciate one another.
photo
HUFFPOST SUPER USER
Yellowcab
100 % Cotton
10:06 AM on 04/23/2012
There is a war on men waged by a majority of women, but hey....let's just ignore that.
HUFFPOST SUPER USER
assatashakira
06:34 PM on 04/26/2012
I agree one hundred percent to that statement