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Prop 8, Judge Walker and the Biblical View of Marriage Equality

Posted: 8/18/10

Judge Vaughn Walker's decision to allow resumption of legal same-sex weddings in California has right-wing Christians claiming his ruling against Proposition 8 threatens "Bible believing Christians." I've read the Bible pretty carefully myself (I read it cover to cover when I was in high school) and even taught it as a college professor. It is not a source I'd turn to in order to defend traditional marriage, but I think it does offer ways to think about ethical marriage.

The Bible presents multiple views of marriage, and most actual marriages it depicts are terrible by modern standards. "Traditional marriages" in ancient biblical times were arranged as transfers of the ownership of daughters. The tenth commandment lists wives among properties like houses and slaves: "You shall not covet your neighbor's house; you shall not covet your neighbor's wife, or male or female slave, or ox, or donkey, or anything that belongs to your neighbor" (Exodus 20:17, also found in Deuteronomy 5:21). Marriages occurred via deception, kidnapping, adulterous seductions, theft, rape, and murder, and were often in multiples so that the pater familias could amass land, flocks, and progeny and cement political alliances. Abraham, David, and Solomon had marriages that would be illegal today. The book of Hosea likens the mercy of God to a husband who has the right to beat or kill his adulterous wife, but spares her -- for this, she was supposed to be grateful. When women seek marriages, such as Naomi arranged for Ruth, it was to avoid an even worse fate such as destitution.

The ideal of a housewife that Diana Butler Bass recently lifted up in Proverbs 31 suggests that a decent married life for women might have been possible in biblical times, but actual examples are rare. It's a telling fact that at Christian weddings today, passages of scripture used in the service mostly avoid marriage texts. They extol love between two women ("[M]y people shall be your people" [Ruth 1]) or communitarian values ("The greatest of these is love" [I Corinthians 13]) or erotic passion between unmarried lovers ("[S]et me as a seal upon your heart" [Song of Songs]). (Some people are shocked to find Song of Songs in the Bible at all.)

In the Christian section of the Bible, Jesus and Paul disagreed about what marriage was supposed to be. The difference between them is striking: Jesus thinks of marriage as divinely sanctified while Paul thinks of it as an option for the morally weak who need to avoid fornicating. They lived around the same time, and both were Jews, so it's a bit puzzling why they differ so radically, perhaps as puzzling as why, today, some Christians vehemently oppose marriage equality while others like myself support it. Even evangelicals differ; poll data show that in 2008, 84 percent of those under age 30 supported same-sex civil unions or outright marriage equality while only 54 percent of their elders did.

So let's at least get clear about one important fact: there is no Christian view of marriage; there are different Christian views, even if you follow the Bible. For over a millennium, the Christian church in Europe leaned toward Paul. It did not sanctify marriage but regarded it as a civil ceremony instead.

Paul, a citizen of the Roman Empire, spent time in jail for opposing that Empire, and his negative view of marriage was probably another form or resistance. Other celibate religious movements of his time also saw avoidance of marriage and procreation as a form of resistance to the Empire and a sign of a new kind of religious society. Why was marriage such a huge political issue during Paul's time?

During the two decades before Jesus was born, the Roman Empire passed a slew of marriage laws that forced marriage on all Roman citizens. To have enough tax revenues and soldiers for its military legions, the empire needed an expanding citizen population, but the population was shrinking. The situation was dire because average life expectancy was only 25 years, and two thirds of all infants died. Just to stay even, the state required a five-child birthrate per woman. Many elite Roman families resented military conscription of their sons and found the tax burdens excessive. Hence, refusing to marry was a way to resist imperial exploitation.

In addition to such political pressures, Paul may also have rejected marriage because it separated sex and love. Under Roman marriage laws and customs, sex was a function of male domination and aggression. Princeton historian Peter Brown, in his study of this period, The Body and Society, wryly remarks that the Romans viewed male adolescents as "human espresso machines"; they were always near a sexual boil, ready to erupt. In her careful study of documents from this period, Bernadette Brooten, in Love Between Women, notes that a pater familias could have sex with anyone under his authority and economic control, which mean virtually any female, as well as boys and male slaves. The only people a head of household could not have sex with were his equals or superiors, including female superiors, like goddesses or his mother. E. J. Graff in her book, What is Marriage For?, notes that rape of the bride was commonly expected, and in wedding ceremonies, the groom and father-in-law exchanged the vows, since women were exchanged as property and could not take vows. While marriages might have love in them, this was not expected.

For women in marriage, sex was for procreation -- a dangerous destiny at a time without reliable birth control or adequate maternal medical care. That women had sexual desires and enjoyed sex was not doubted, but respectable women confined these to the marriage bed. Brooten found that while homosexual orientations were regarded as immutably determined by astrological influences, lesbianism was regarded as a medical disorder because sex as domination and subordination were crucial. Women's sexual relationships lacked a dominant inserter and subordinate receiver and were, thus, an unnatural disorder. The construction of sex as male dominance may be why conservatives obsess over rare biblical texts against homosexual practices, while, like the C Street "Family," they think of male heterosexual adultery, condemned in their beloved 10 commandments, as a lesser sin, since so many biblical patriarchs were adulterers. The sin more frequently condemned is usury, but I digress...

Paul believed love was the highest value, whereas sex was a problem. Paul advocated abstinence, though this suggestion has led some to regard him as psychologically disturbed. Ironically, current condemnations of his version of ascetic Christianity exist side-by-side with great admiration for monastic figures such as the Dalai Lama. But religious abstinence is another discussion.

Jesus' view of marriage in Matthew 19 was not the Roman version. He turned to the Jewish scriptures in Genesis 2. Conservatives like to use Genesis 2 to defend marriage as between one man and one woman for procreative purposes only (i.e., as authorizing sex between one dominant inserter and one subordinate receiver). However, I don't think this is what Jesus meant.

A careful look at Genesis, provided by scholar Phyllis Trible, offers an interesting alternative to the conservative view. She notes that God creates an earthling, adam (i.e., a being made of earth, ha'adama; adam in the Hebrew is not a proper name until later in the story), and breathes divine spirit into him to make him come alive. All the animals are insufficient to satisfy the adam's needs for a helper. Ezer kenegdo, translated "help meet," literally means an equal helper. Help, by itself, referred to a superior, such as God. Hence, the addition of kenegdo, surrounding, modified ezer to suggest an equal. So God divides adam into ish, male, and issha, female. Made of the flesh of adam, Eve is neither superior nor subordinate to Adam. Given that the woman's subordination to the man and painful childbirth were a punishment for the two having sinned in Genesis 3, I think the decision goes against "traditional marriage" as divinely ordained. Inside paradise, God intended relationships based on equality.

Jesus had to go back to the paradise garden to find a model of what he thought marriage ought to be. Given that model, he observed that Moses created divorce because men behaved badly (he calls them hard-hearted, which suggests unloving), which might be understood as a condemnation of traditional marriage. He also conceded that the demands of marriage were not for everyone, and remaining unmarried was OK.

Arguments for California's Prop 8, which Judge Walker overturned, narrowed the purpose of marriage to procreation. Neither Paul nor Jesus explicitly mentioned procreation as a reason for marriage. While I don't think Jesus was talking about same-sex marriages, his reference to Genesis 2 grounded marriage in equality and companionship. While Jesus and Paul differ on marriage, they differ for the same reason. They uphold love as the highest divine good, not women's subordination. In fact, because of the nasty history of institutional marriage in the Bible and heterosexist civil laws that are built on male dominance and female subordination, I think marriage equality means such gender inequality will no longer be inscribed as a necessary basis of marriage.

In his carefully written decision, Judge Walker remarked on changes that have eliminated most of the values and reasons for traditional marriage. He noted that marriage had recently been transformed "from a male-dominated institution into an institution recognizing men and women as equals" (p. 112). The changes also reflect cultural ideas that marriage is a union of sex with love. They do not nullify marriage per se:

The evidence shows that the movement of marriage away from a gendered institution and toward an institution free from state-mandated gender roles reflects an evolution in the understanding of gender rather than a change in marriage. The evidence did not show any historical purpose for excluding same-sex couples from marriage, as states have never required spouses to have an ability or willingness to procreate in order to marry. Rather, the exclusion exists as an artifact of a time when the genders were seen as having distinct roles in society and in marriage. That time has passed. (p. 113)

Judge Walker ruled that the state's interest in marriage is guided by the rights of equal protection, not by religion, and that religious ideas should not determine marriage law. He has, for the time being, restored legal same-sex weddings as a right than cannot be decided by majority vote.

A number of Christian groups in California, as well as Reformed Jews and Unitarian Universalists, would agree. Prop 8 denied us our religious freedom by prohibiting us from authorizing same-sex marriages, but, even worse, it denied the basic human right of marriage to a group of people based on unfounded biases about their sexual orientation. Same-sex couples, like heterosexual couples, offer each other love, companionship, and a stable family environment for raising children. If marriage is good for society, and equality is the ethical basis for marriage, then gender difference is irrelevant. Marriage equality is good for everyone, including Bible-believing Christians.

 
Judge Vaughn Walker's decision to allow resumption of legal same-sex weddings in California has right-wing Christians claiming his ruling against Proposition 8 threatens "Bible believing Christians." ...
Judge Vaughn Walker's decision to allow resumption of legal same-sex weddings in California has right-wing Christians claiming his ruling against Proposition 8 threatens "Bible believing Christians." ...
 
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10:22 PM on 09/02/2010
"During the two decades before Jesus was born, the Roman Empire passed a slew of marriage laws that forced marriage on all Roman citizens. "

Nice to see that we've 'evolved' to the same standards as two decades before Christ
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virescentgirl
trying to find compassion
12:17 PM on 08/26/2010
Here is one thing, most of the opposition doesn't get when using the bible as a means to create civil law and enforce their beliefs: The precedent they set will be used against them in the future. This means, when they are no longer in the majority and a different religion seeks to impose their religious beliefs on the nation, they will not be so happy, yet this is exactly the precedent they are setting. Leave religion at home and in your place of worship, and let civil law govern every woman, man and child as it is applied equally without considerat­ion of difference­s. That is my suggestion to them.
10:23 PM on 09/02/2010
which could have been the case had homosexual­s chosen to pursue civil unions rather than marriage
11:42 PM on 09/02/2010
But civil unions don't have all the same legal rights as a marriage has. The point is they want the same rights. The wording isn't the important thing, it is what the words mean. If religions want to keep the word 'marriage' then they can. I think the government should give all people civil unions. Then a couple can go get 'married' at whatever religious institutio­n they want. But keep the legal document, and the ceremony separate.
12:15 PM on 08/25/2010
So whatinhell is religion doing in this argument in the *first* place? I'm married, wasn't religious before, haven't been relgious since. One has NOTHING to do with the other and clouding the argument with religious justificat­ion does nothing to help.

Marriage is a societal thing that should be open to any two adults not a relgious thing. Engaging h8'rs on their own terms only serves to embolden them in their position.
10:23 PM on 09/02/2010
so my neighbor can marry his mom?
09:23 PM on 08/24/2010
What do the words Liberal and Conservati­ve really mean?

I am labeled a Liberal yet:

I want to “conserve” the Constituti­on and the Bill of Rights, ensuring equal protection under the law for all of our citizens.

I want to “conserve” our economy by restoring strong Corporate regulation­s that ensure healthy economic activity.

I want to “conserve” a safe and secure standard of living for elderly Americans by NOT messing around with Social Security and Medicare.

I want to “conserve” our labor force by preventing greedy corporate interests from shipping jobs overseas in order to save 10 cents on some nameless widget.

I want to “conserve” our environmen­t from reckless destructio­n brought on by our industrial carelessne­ss.

While those who call themselves Conservati­ve:

Applaud Liberal interpreta­tions of the Constituti­on that give corporatio­ns almost unlimited power to influence elections.

Applaud Liberal interpreta­tions of the Constituti­on that allows for the Government to spy on Americans.

Applaud Liberal interpreta­tions of the Geneva Convention­s that allows for the torture of prisoners.

Applaud a Liberal redistribu­tion of wealth by supporting policies that help the richest 1% get richer, while the other 99% struggle to get by.

Applaud a Liberal reinterpre­tation if not repeal of portions of the bill of rights they don’t like.

Applaud laws that allow for “liberal” deregulati­on of business, enabling the worst financial disaster in history and quite possibly the destructio­n of the planet.

Applaud Liberal interpreta­tions of history that suggest America is a Christian Nation.
10:24 PM on 09/02/2010
you're not a conservati­ve
09:07 PM on 08/24/2010
is a lot to fret about when we are called homo sapiens.

(Homo sapiens is the scientific name for the species of primate known as "humans.")
12:54 PM on 08/24/2010
The "Biblical View" of marriage should be meaningles­s to any one sane.

The biblical view says that your wife must be a virgin and if she lies about it then stone her to death.
The biblical view says your wife must obey the husband like a slave.
You can also have as many wives as you can afford according to the biblical view.

The biblical view are nothing but the cultural norms of bronze age savages.
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SrAN
1st time proud pagan mom since May 16
07:38 AM on 08/23/2010
The issue I have with all of this is the New Testament and Bible was written how many thousands of years ago? Many of the stories within this book was written in a context that fit the cultural views of that time. Granted, there are good things you can get from this book (my favorite being love your neighbor as yourself) but you should also read it knowing that the views expressed in the letters written between the disciples and the accounts taken in each book was written with the views of that time. Jesus was the epitome of acceptance in a cultural climate that was harsh to say the least, if Christians want to go by the moto of "What would Jesus do" they need to ask themselves if he would alienate a group of people based on their sexual preferance­s (keep in mind this was a man who had dinner with people who were viewed as the lowest of low sinners).

Signed,
Proud Pagan
12:25 PM on 08/24/2010
With followers of Christ, there are sometimes two extremes. Some are unnecessar­ily offensive while others are too browbeated to speak the truth. The best would be a balance of embracing others and offering service with the love of Christ while not condoning any actions that are in opposition to the teachings of Jesus.
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MatthewRobertson
I'm 26. I'm gay. I like film. I care about shit.
01:17 AM on 08/25/2010
The word "truth" is extremely ambiguous though. Even Christians can't be united in thought about what is truth. Is tongues scriptural or not? Is baptism necessary for salvation or merely an outward symbolic profession of faith? What about the book of Revelation­?

Every single person on the face of this earth believes that he or she has the truth, or else they wouldn't believe it. Christians­, Muslims, Hindu's, Wiccan's, Republican­s, Democrats, Scientists­, Theologian­s, etc. For me, the trouble arises when people proclaim they've found truth in a spiritual sense, because it is impossible to be 100% positive that what we believe is true. Seeing things in this light, I am able to appreciate other peoples truth. That doesn't mean that I believe that truth is relative, but I do believe that it is so much more intricate than we know, or would like to care to admit, therefore, who gives any one person the right to bar the freedoms and search for happiness on this earth of another person?

This seems to me to be the biggest flaw of Christiani­ty or other religions that demand worship. It feels like manipulati­on and coercion when people start "speaking truth". I absolutely welcome discussion on religious and spiritual issues, but I don't think life is as black and white as any one religion has it.

"Believe those who are seeking the truth. Doubt those who find it."--Andr­e Gide
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SrAN
1st time proud pagan mom since May 16
11:39 AM on 08/25/2010
It is human nature to pick those scriptures and rules that benefit them at the time. Sadly, while I agree with your comment I never see that happening for the reasons Matthew stated. If we were to do that we could go back to women having to wear dresses and have their hair long. There are so many ways to read into the Bible that you would have everyone arguing over the "right" version before anything would get resolved. And, besides, it has been revised so many times over the last decades that it is hard to see where "right" and "truth" is anymore.
08:05 PM on 08/22/2010
"A number of Christian groups in California­, as well as Reformed Jews and Unitarian Universali­sts, would agree. Prop 8 denied us our religious freedom by prohibitin­g us from authorizin­g same-sex marriage"

No it didn't. It denied civil, legal marriage to same sex couples. Legal marriage is not a religious relationsh­ip, but a legal, civil one, created by the State for its purposes. There is nothing stopping people from considerin­g their relationsh­ip to be, in spiritual terms, a marriage. But if you want a legal marriage, you need to follow the legal rules.
09:07 PM on 08/22/2010
Unitarian Universali­sts are not a christian group neither are reformed jews
01:22 PM on 08/24/2010
In the manner that the author phrased the question, I think it is clear that SHE does not think that UU's or Reformed Jews are Christian.

That said, I find the capacity of the religious right to reframe the definition of Christian beliefs to be awesome...­. many founding fathers were Deists/Uni­tarian. However, many noted their adherence to Christian behavioral principles while clearly disavowing Jesus as a figure of divinity..­.. and on that basis, they become our Christian Founding Fathers...­.. how convenient­, when trying to make a case for a "Christian Foundation­" for the US
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MatthewRobertson
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02:30 AM on 08/23/2010
Which is what we are doing.
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Mag7
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03:33 PM on 08/22/2010
The legal right to marry in the US has nothing to do with anyone's interpreta­tion of the Bible. If Biblical scholars want to lead their own marriage on your readings, that's fine, but you have no more right to dictate someones legal contract than they do of yours. And don't start with the civil union verbage either, it's called a marriage license and a couple can procure one where they pay their taxes, at city hall. The right to marry is in the constituti­on, Bible optional.
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LynnW49
"A great democracy must be progressive." TR
04:21 PM on 08/23/2010
Amen. Bible optional.

The Bible says nothing about carrying guns, voting rights, quartering troops, double jeaopardy, eminent domain, trial by jury, etc. Interestin­g that it is only invoked on this issue.
12:34 PM on 08/22/2010
It never bothers me if someone accepts or rejects the Bible, but it does bother me when someone misreprese­nts what is written in order to prove their point. Even though Christians cannot always agree on doctrine and tenets, there are certain shared conclusion­s as to what the Bible teaches on certain issues.

Such as marriage. Jesus of Nazareth and Paul of Tarsus both had the same unambiguou­s definition of marriage. It would be intellectu­ally dishonest to say otherwise, whether you agree with their definition or not. It would also be intellectu­ally dishonest to say that they did not view men and women as equal, whether you agree with their view or not.

The remainder of this blog...(".­..it denied the basic human right of marriage to a group of people based on unfounded biases about their sexual orientatio­n. Same-sex couples, like heterosexu­al couples, offer each other love, companions­hip, and a stable family environmen­t for raising children. If marriage is good for society, and equality is the ethical basis for marriage, then gender difference is irrelevant­. Marriage equality is good for everyone, including Bible-beli­eving Christians­.")...tell­s a wonderful story in order to put to rest the arguments for upholding marriage as between a man and a woman. Everyone loves a nice story, but what does it have to do with the facts?

We should all think deeply and carefully about this critical issue of marriage..­.and not misreprese­nt any views uncharitab­ly.
02:32 PM on 08/22/2010
You claim that Paul viewed men and women as equal? You have not read the same Bible I have, then.

And your claim that Christians have "certain shared conclusion­s as to what the Bible teaches on certain issues" is just wishful thinking - the difference­s in biblical interpreta­tion between and within Christian sects about all major features of Christiani­ty is astonishin­g.

You are uncomforta­ble with this article because it goes against your own interpreta­tion of your faith. Why not leave it at that, instead of making false claims about all other Christians­?
11:34 AM on 08/23/2010
If I understand your position correctly, Paul did not view the genders as equal and that Christians do not share the same conclusion­s on any issue taught in the Bible.

If I have misstated your position, please let me know. I just want to make sure I have a clear understand­ing.
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MatthewRobertson
I'm 26. I'm gay. I like film. I care about shit.
02:35 AM on 08/23/2010
The facts are that religion has no say in the affairs of the Government­.

Anti-gay marriage supporters have no logical reasoning behind not allowing Same Sex Marriage. All they have is "The bible says so" and even then, they are wrong.
11:39 AM on 08/23/2010
I am just curious. You stated that those who wish marriage to remain as it is have no logical reason behind this view. If you have time, could you please tell me what you find their best argument to be, even if it is illogical?

And could you please explain how you came to the conclusion that the Bible supports same-sex marriage?

However, if you'd rather not answer, I understand­.
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Bob Kellerman
a New Year w/ love, less greed & vengeance
05:17 AM on 08/22/2010
The Gays just happen to be knocking on a door that the control nut religions need desperatel­y to keep closed, so they can keep enlarging their profitable­, untaxed organizati­ons.

THE BASIC FEAR: Once everyone pretty much sees that Gay Marriage turned out to be OK for society, others who question the churches will want their own chances to act
--- maybe they will decide that being different is how God made them, and abandon the conformist­, smothering lifestyles for their own choices
--- maybe they will MARRY OUTSIDE THE FAITH (a huge scare)

IF JONNY MARRIES JOE, MAYBE MARIE WILL MARRY A METHODIST, OR A JEW,
OR BARACK OBAMA
05:37 PM on 08/21/2010
It would be so nice if the Huffington Post actually had someone write about the Bible who had a clue about what it says.
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MatthewRobertson
I'm 26. I'm gay. I like film. I care about shit.
06:30 PM on 08/21/2010
There is a difference between how the bible READS and what the bible SAYS.

If you don't like it....go away. Don't read the Christian articles. It's that simple.
10:21 PM on 08/21/2010
I agree. I respect that she read the Bible from cover to cover in high school. I think she should probably read it again sometime.
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09:32 PM on 08/23/2010
If she taught it in college as a professor, she probably knows more about what's in it than you.
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gun1934
75 years old fisherman
10:27 AM on 08/21/2010
its against nature for man to have sex with an other man--cant man see that man is not built for sex with man--woman not for woman--GOD punished the isralites for liveing in sin--there­s a judgement coming up on the UNITED STATES--it­s nearer ever day--
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ez duz it
οὐκ ἔστιν θεός
01:09 PM on 08/21/2010
Hi--

You say, "its against nature for man to have sex with an other man."

Horrendous spelling, punctuatio­n and grammar, aside, would you please care to elaborate you position? Or is yours merely an unjustifia­ble opinion?

--ez
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gun1934
75 years old fisherman
02:26 PM on 08/21/2010
hey EZ---hahah­a im not in a spelling bee---punc­tuation marks ans grammar means nothing to me--im here to get my message across and it looks like i did great---i have told you the truth so i am clear with my savior jesus christ--yo­u will face the judgement-­-have a nice day-
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MatthewRobertson
I'm 26. I'm gay. I like film. I care about shit.
03:28 PM on 08/21/2010
I'm not sure if it was a just an error or the fact that I used to proper scientific names for genitalia, but I'm going to try this agian.

There are many cases in nature in which same sex sexual behavior have been observed. Over 500 species have been observed and documented naturally committing homosexual acts. Whales, Dolphins, Cheetah, Bison, Ox, Zebra, Snakes, countless number of insects, fish, etc. Male bonobo monkeys are almost all exclusivel­y bisexual. The males "play with one another" while the female's rub their clitorises together. These are documented facts of Nature. So to say it isn't natural is a lie.
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gun1934
75 years old fisherman
04:49 PM on 08/21/2010
hey matthewrob­ertson---h­old on there--i dident connect you and your people with animals--y­ou are the one that said you all are animalsif you do what you do--thats your business -------i aint got nothing to do with this----
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Ioan Lightoller
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07:27 PM on 08/21/2010
As far as I am concerned, the Xtians need to live righteous lives as they see fit and quit trying to force the rest of us to live according to laws which do not affect us if we are not Christian. This is a country of many faiths...a­nd none at all. Stop trying to force your beliefs on the rest of us.

Sadly, MatthewRob­ertson, Xtian fundamenta­lists do not consider humans as part of nature, so although your informatio­n is correct, the fundamenta­lists arrogantly consider themselves above the rest of creation.
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rf dude
Just an average Man of Bronze
10:51 AM on 08/20/2010
Think outside the Bible for a minute.

The judge simply found that the plaintiff had not demonstrat­ed that they would suffer harmful consequenc­es as a result of allowing same-sex marriages. None.

End of story.

Go back 50 years and substitute " interracia­l " for " same-sex " and the program plays exactly the same. The end to this story will be the same as well - sooner or later.

Deal with it.

Now, we have som REAL problems with a Afghanisna­m, a tanked economy, and no jobs - can we devote a little energy to solving THESE problems?

Or are the politician­s going to keep playing you as fools through the next election cycle...
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No Turn Un-Stoned
10:56 AM on 08/20/2010
well said RF
04:46 PM on 08/20/2010
There is no compelling reason to allow homosexual marriage.
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TheHedgeWitch
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06:16 PM on 08/20/2010
scottyknow­s REASON
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rf dude
Just an average Man of Bronze
09:42 PM on 08/20/2010
And there is no compelling reason to not allow it, either.
11:59 PM on 08/19/2010
Regarding the last paragraph: Reform Jews (not "Reformed"­). And you can throw in Reconstruc­tionist Jews as well.