Barack and Bobby: Compare and Contrast; and, Obama-Clinton as Lennon-McCartney circa 1970

It was moving to read Tom Hayden's reflections on Bobby Kennedy's candidacy of 1968, his own role in it, and the ways in which Obama's campaign has reconnected him with the spirit of those times. Yet I find it equally moving to consider the ways in which Obama and RFK are different, the ways in which they are mirror images rather than carbon copies.

My own relationship to Bobby's campaign was not like Tom Hayden's. I was 14 years old, obsessed by politics and rock & roll. And if you're going to be a 14-year-old who's obsessed with politics and rock & roll, 1968 was the year to do it: Student revolts in Paris and Prague. Marching in the streets of America. Gene McCarthy's candidacy, then Bobby's. And musically there were the Beatles, the Stones, James Brown, the Doors, Otis Redding, Jimi Hendrix, the Impressions, Paul Butterfield, Albert King, the Who, Aretha Franklin,Cream, Marvin Gaye, the Mothers ...

Then, tragically, gun shots in Memphis and L.A. Drug overdoses in rock star hotel rooms. But before the tragedies there were the moments of exhilaration.

I've said this before: Had Bobby Kennedy not run for President, I wouldn't be writing these words right now. My fascination with politics is the direct result of what he made seem possible, from the symbolic to the soulful -- from his promise to make "This Land Is Your Land" the national anthem, to his tears for the Appalachian poor. I see Barack Obama having the same impact on young kids today. It's the single most positive effect his candidacy could possibly have.

And yet, for the many similarities between the two candidates, consider the differences: Bobby Kennedy was the ultimate insider, the product of wealth and power. As he grew his hair and increasingly identified with the youth of the world, as he joined Cesar Chavez and Martin Luther King to walk with the disaffected, as he challenged the world of authority that his family had mastered, he was doing something powerful and symbolic: He was walking down from the mountaintop to join with the people below.

Obama's is doing the opposite: He's climbing up the mountain. Where RFK was the ultimate insider, he's the ultimate outsider. He's African American, multiracial, international, from a non-traditional family upbringing. Bobby's bearing in his final year was increasingly open, informal, and emotional, which Barack's is centered, balanced, and almost cerebral. In Marshall McLuhan terms, Barack is "cool" while Bobby was "hot." And where Bobby joined a movement that was already underway, Barack seems to have triggered one that was waiting to happen.

Yet both of them are catalysts, and both created candidacies with enormous potential to generate symbolic and real change. Obama's first move as party head was to refuse PAC and Federal lobbyist money for the DNC. That may be largely symbolic in hard-dollar terms, but as a sign of the times it's enormous. Combined with his stunning ability to raise money from small-dollar donors, it's nothing less than a declaration of revolution. He's seizing the means of political production and transferring it from insiders to the general public.

I read every word that Tom Hayden wrote in 1968, too. He's right to note that Obama's policies as President might be disappointing, although like him I'm hopeful. And an Obama presidency will certainly be an enormous change from the last eight years, no matter what happens. That, plus the electrifying effect he's having on young people, makes 2008 a year of great promise.

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As for that "secret meeting" between Clinton and Obama last night, it made me think of Lennon and McCartney during the breakup of the Beatles in 1970. The two of them were pretty pissed off at one another by then, and Lennon loyalists felt that McCartney screwed him with the way he handled his departure from the group. But there were only four living people who knew what it was like to be a Beatle, to have lived in the eye of that hurricane. And only two of them knew what it was like to spend years fighting for the role of frontman and band leader.

People put a lot of pressure on them to put the band back together after that. In some ways, maybe they should have. Maybe then we wouldn't have had Lennon's "Mind Games" ("some kinda druid dude lifting the veil") or Paul singing "we're so sorry, Uncle Albert." Each was always the other's best critic. But then again, we might not have had "Imagine," either.

Apparently Lennon and McCartney repaired their friendship, and almost showed up on a whim to play on Saturday Night Live after a great routine in which Lorne Michaels and Jimmy Carter offered the Beatles $3500 to reunite. (Lennon said later that they didn't have time to make it to the studio where the show was being broadcast.)

My point? I guess it's this: A lot of people want a Dream Ticket, the same way a lot of people wanted a Beatles reunion. Me, I don't have an opinion either way. Management consultants talk about "managing up" and "delegating up" in business, and I intend to do that here. Barack is the party's leader now, and Hillary has created a powerful following. Let them work it out between themselves, and then let the candidate make his decision.

You can be a fan of Lennon's politics, his great writing and singing, and still acknowledge that McCartney is one of the great composers, musicians, and singers of our time. Obama and Clinton are like John and Paul in at least one way: Only the two of them know what it's been like to be in the bubble of this campaign for the last six months. If they want to go back on the road together, that's fine with me. If not, they'll each have their own hits.

Like the song says: They can work it out.

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Comments

[radicalcentrist44]

This 60's nostalgia is dreadful. The only thing the 60's accomplished was that the counter-culture eventually lusted for wealth and became very rich. Idealism dies when you start making money. The 1980's greed generation was driven by former late 60's idealists. Out of that generation we elected Clinton and Bush. Wow. Thankfully we will only have two presidents out of that late 60's idealism generation.

[SmackwaterJack]

))))))))))))))))))) Hogwash ((((((((((((((((((((

[lindaisaiah]

You had to be there!

[livesimply]

You've no idea what you are talking about because, like Obama/Clinton and Lennon/McCartney, you weren't there. What's true is that it was a movement and many people joined who did not believe in the ideology. Many of them were the ones who eventually lusted for wealth as many do in any given generation. Many great things came out of that era as well.

[live by the golden rule]

No, '80s greed was younger. People in college in the greed is good '80s sat by quietly while Reagan was fanning the flames of a major land war in Central America, broke the law [Iran /Contra] supported the dictator Saddam Hussein in Iraq and built up the future Taliban on the Afghanistan/Pakistan border before abandoning Afghanistan to its fate when the Soviet army left, changed the US tax code to drastically lower the tax rate on the wealthy, made the US a debtor nation, increased the disparity between rich and poor....... So the people who were in college in the '80s would be, say, in their 40s now. Let's see, who would represent that generation.....?

[katiebob]

When all your heroes are assassinated (JFK, MLKjr, RFK), the kind of grief that slowly settles in is palpable. If you'd been there, "radicalcentrist44", you would still feel the keen sorrow of my generation. We had hope, idealism, fearlessness. Vietnam was chewing up our boys, the message got lost in the miasma of sex, drugs, and rock 'n roll. I'm a 55 year old white middle class female, and I have never been so moved and excited and hopeful about the direction of my country because of the Obama message. Not all of my generation evolved into the greed generation; many of us have quietly continued to work towards our goals. Instead of being pissed off at the Baby Boomers, why don't you take after the neo-con right wing agenda that birthed Reagonomics and the idiocracy of George W Bush?

[Jazzbeau]

"Reagonomics and the idiocracy of George W Bush"

What an apt phrase!

[MyThought]

Anyone else getting bored with all this hype? Obama is no RFK or JFK or MLK - he should be himself.

Can only be one of each and you can't bring them back from the dead.

Overhype, overdone - and terribly boring.

[SmackwaterJack]

JFK, RFK, and MLK, all sowed profound seeds... Senator Obama is the fruit of those sowed seeds. Make *NO* mistake about that !

[reelcobra]

He's no fruit. He ain't a Bill Clinton but he ain't a fruit. Even if Michelle wears the pants at Trinity.

[gabbyone]

Many glaring differences exist between RFK and Obama. RFK came from wealth and privilege but his heart was with hard working people. His vision of social improvement, outstrips Obama who has yet to present a vision. RFK walked with Chavez and MLK. He made poverty a chief concern of his campaign which led to enormous crowds at his events in poor urban areas or rural parts of Appalachia. His campaign didn't take him to huge stadiums but the street corners of black neighborhoods and small towns. Obama came from more modest means but was educated at the best colleges. When Obama, ran for President he chose the college educated white people and students as his base. He was supported by most African Americans, but they were barely visible in the running of his campaign. Obama did not go to Selma to honor MLK or attend the black conference in New Orleans. His disregard for WV, KY, and part of Ohio and PA were visible to all. Bobby Kennedy's children endorsed Clinton saying she reminded them of their Dad. Both were tough and had great concern for the the people often invisible to their government. RFK never hand picked his audiences as the Obama camp did in PA, requesting and putting only white people behind Michelle. It is very hard for me to see much in common between these two men except the desire of Obama supporters to link him with someone that will make him appear greater than he is..

[livesimply]

Regardless of what you think of the man as an individual, he is a catalyst and he knows it. He is humble and sincere about this role. He's also extremely competent and smart.

[websmith]

It's baffling as to where these comparisons came from. Perhaps people think we are too young or too old to actually remember. None of these people or their campaigns compare to John or Bobby Kennedy in any way.

John and Bobby actually cared for this country and its people. That's why they were killed.

These candidates are not Bobby Kennedy.

[matthewjbroad]

The difference between Obama-Clinton and Lennon-Macca is that the Beatles' songwriters, even at their most contentious, consistently pushed each other towards greatness. The music elevated as their competition did. For the last three months, Obama and Clinton have been embroiled in a grotesque vaudeville that even forced Barack, who had at least tried to elevate the political dialogue, into bottom-of-the-barrel media play, jettisoning showbiz pastors while still having to deny Muslim leanings. If the end of the primary season was anything, it was artless, un-nuanced, and superficial. You can't say that about Abbey Road.

[madnana]

An Obama-Clinton ticket would certainly be the epitome of maturity and adjustment. There is a big difference between detente and what was shown in the Beatles' movie "Let It Be" where the changes in each member of the group grew too large for the music to contain them any more. Like others, I have certainly maintained that what they produced as individuals was never close to what they created as a group. Clinton is too smart to undermine Obama when it would only torpedo her own career.
We'll see. If Edwards won't accept the VP position, then I have no idea who could exercise the drawing power that Clinton can.

[RRonin]

Call it their White Album, then......

[graffen48]

There is always a way to take some good out of a bad situation. One way to look at this is it helped to "harden" Obama up. I believe anything the Republicans throw at him now will seem like child's play. That is already self-evident with that sorry performance of McCains the other night. Clinton introduced Obama to hardball politics and he rose to the challenge. You must admit, after this primary season, that McCain is simply a mop-up operation.

[daddyG56]

You can, however, say exactly that about Let It Be. OK, OK, I know it was recorded basically when the White Album was, but it was the last release.

[Brettster]

RJ, you fail miserably for bashing "Uncle Albert/Admiral Halsey." That's a brilliant song!!

[RedBlue7]

4 Reasons Obama must pick Hillary Clinton as his running mate...
www.e-paperview.com/4reasons.html

[lizr]

give it up. he'll make the best decision and all of us ranting out here machs nicht to him.

[RRonin]

Oh, puhhleeez! They play that piece of garbage on "oldies" stations more than Beatles songs, anything from the "Wings"period label totally blows!

[Brettster]

Only ignorant people say this. McCartney has done some FANTASTIC solo work. Stuff that would easily fit on a new Beatles album if they were working together at the time. Band on the Run is a masterpiece, every song is brilliant and very Beatles-quality. RAM, where Uncle Albert is from, is also just phenomenal. I never get the Paul hate. He's got so much raw, progressive stuff he is very mislabeled by the haters and those who would take John's words at his most spiteful too literally. Uncle Albert is almost like Paul doing Pink Floyd or something, there's no other mind who could write that song. I just love it. Also check out "Too Many People" off the same record, or Dear Boy, or Smile Away, etc. His latest live stuff is just godly, and a great introduction to some of his best solo works played RIGHT. His live band now is his best since the Beatles.

[Adjective]

"Mind Games" is also a great song that juxtaposes spiritual questing with psychological warfare...a provocative lyric that might possibly serve as an allegory to being in the Beatles...or running in the 2008 democratic primary.

You know "I am the Walrus" makes much more sense if you get the Lewis Carroll/James Joyce references. You can still enjoy the song even if you've never read Alice's Adventures through the Looking Glass or Finnegan's Wake (like you can still enjoy Piccaso's Guernica even if you don't know the history) based simply on the aesthetic value.

Anyway, I agree with your general point, RJ, that the Beatles work, far supercedes the individual's solo stuff and, for the most part I agree that your simile works as relates to HRC & BHO, but if you reallly want to dis post Beatle's Lennon/McCartney, then why not some of the lesser songs from Walls & Bridges or Wings at the Speed of Sound?

[Nancyann]

I think it would be a great error for Barack to have Clinton on the ticket. Aside from the fact that he would have to hire a food taster, she would undermine him every step of the way and ruin his message of change. She's like an old Rudy Vallee and Barack is the Bing Crosby. Sorry for the ancient comparison. Also Barack and Hilary were never compatible..Lennon and McCartney started out as a team.

[lizr]

Not helpful.

I f you want to help Barack trust him to be smart enough to make the right decision, and let's quit dumping on the CLintonites.

[clbrune]

Well said.

And ya know, their policy differences are minimal. They could make a great team, especially since Clinton would likely NOT be wasting her time trying to be Obama's successor.

The stupid, inane jokes about her poisoning him are childish and stunted fantasy.

[graffen48]

Bill Richardson is the man for Obama. He was a brilliant diplomat, and would be a great leader in getting us out of some of the foreign policy disasters of the last 8 years. I'm sorry, but Hillary Clinton has made horrible decisions regarding foreign policy and her "get tough" attitude (obliterate iran) is exactly what we don't need right now.

[BlueTide]

This is a very interesting column. I agree that Bobby Kennedy and Barack Obama are almost mirror images of each other. I would go further and say that Clinton is a lot like RFK. Both are related to a former president. Both made their appeals to working class voters. And both moved to New York to become senators of the same seat. Isn't it interesting that Clinton failed, and it was Bobby's mirror image that succeeded in 2008?

This means that the times are different and what the people want is different. In 1968, young people wanted to change society and culture. The were re-evaluating America's values and believed that people could make themselves better by rethinking their own values. In 1968, although progressive, they distrusted government, which in later years would make them attracted to the Republican Party. In 2008, young people are more outward looking. They want unity and want the government to fix problems that have been neglected too long. Young people may be poised to be the first generation to vote Democratic since the GI generation.

[lizr]

from your mouth to God's ears!

[clbrune]

Only one minor thing I would correct.

Clinton didn't fail. We came as close as is possible for a complete tie.

We can have only one nominee, but it came down to the wire. Clinton lost, but didn't fail.

[kevinmcd]

They distruted government only when it was run by leaders who lied to them. They wantd to use goverment for greater good (like JFK). They definetely did not ever think goverment should let industry do basically whatever thy wanted and to let the poor rot-which is what the GOP has stood for since then. These 60s kids who moved yo the GOP via Reagan were total sell outs.

[rgblue]

Right on, kevinmcd.

I know a few. We don't discuss it but they are sell-outs. Bigtime.

[Jiovanna]

Two points: 1) Young people today haven't a clue about the capabilities of government but they do love to focus on their own immediate needs, and BO is sort of a Michael Jackson-style figure--a rocker of choice today who may mean nothing to the Milleniums five months from now. And (2) upon close scrutiny of the Kennedy clan (with an insider's knowledge), I wouldn't want to be endorsed by a Kennedy family member nor would I suck up to them as BO has from his earliest days within the U.S. Senate. So only time will tell whether or not positive "change" occurs once and if BO ever achieves presidential stature. He's already sounding like his predecessors: read his recent remarks from Wednesday about Israeli foreign policy. So don't get your hopes too high--"the audacity of hope" is exactly what it is. Audacity. But dreaming is okay! Keep dreaming...

[lizr]

OK REpublican Troll. One pt well taken.

No one gets elected here without Kissing AIPAC butt. (israeli foriegn policy)

That is just the way it is.

That said, he'll move to the center now because he has to to win. And we will keep working for him. He is no Michael Jackson (are you nuts?)

We hope that he will do the right thing in office, and we trust his instincts. And we will keep biting his left flank and do our best to keep him honest.

Best we can do.

[rgblue]

Michael Jackson-style figure?????

Is that the latest Republican talking point crap-throw?

[livesimply]

Your racism sticks out like a sore thumb. The ONLY thing Michael Jackson and Obama have in common is dark skin.

[kevinmcd]

Clinton is more like Richard Nixon. Will say and do anything to get elected. Feels there is a vast conspiracy against her. Is totally unlikeable as a person. There is that unfortunate similarity that both were related to a president and used it to parlay their way into a Senate Seat. That is unfortunate. But only RFK really provd hat it was not only his family connections that made him great; he really got down with the people and spoke from his heart. Hillary created herself based only on polls. She sold herself as a populist after she realized her sure course of a moderate left her in 3rd place in Iowa. Then she changed her message to fit the polls/Edwards place. Obama's message, like Bobby's was the same throughout the campaign. And whereas Bobby really showed his humanity and admitted his culpability for the war in Vietnam, Hillary refused to budge on tht issue, revealing she has the same type of autocratic, closed minded, insecure, and paranoid personality as GW Bush and Nixon.

[portateck]

I can't believe you are comparing Obama to Robert Kennedy, Obama is much more like Jimmy Carter.
He has the same idea's, he has the same cluelessness. They say McCain is running for Bush's 3rd term, but a closer analogy would be that Obama is running for Jimmy Carter's second term. Comparing Obama to Bobby is an insult to Bobby Kennedy. He had a clue.

[lizr]

and you are totally missing the point.

[portateck]

I do not agree with his point and decided to reply with my point. I read the article, but it was not worth commenting on the clinton/obama/beatles bs, when obama and obamites use his charisma to push a carteresque agenda.

[PlantGod72]

Sad, parthetic comment........

'Black bird singing in the dead of night
Take these sunken eyes and learn to see
all your life
you were only waiting for this moment to be free

Blackbird fly, Blackbird fly
Into the light of the dark black night.'

Lennon/McCartney

[kevinmcd]

Obama is nothing like Carter. Obama is a brillant and strong leader who motivates millions (maybe even bilions after the rest of the world gets to know him).

[fu22yCWD]

ever hear of "habitat for hunamity"? they motivate MILLIONS and James Carter has been involved with THAT from the getgo.

[livesimply]

The ideals of Carter and Obama are similar, but their leadership style is totally different and Obama has charisma.

[evekendall]

People who don't know anything just make stuff up and call it reality.

You don't know anything about Barack Obama.

[SmackwaterJack]

)))))))))))))))))))))))))))))) BINGO (((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((

[rgblue]

The Kennedy's, who likely know a lot more about RFK than any of us do, would disagree with you.

As for Carter, he is and always has been an evangelical (his words not mine) though not a wacky one.

Obama is a Constitutional scholar, taught at the University of Illinois and was exceptionally good at it.
They're coming from 2 different mind sets with different skills. Carter is not a Constitutional expert. If you don't think that makes a difference then you'd better check your pulse.

I don't see any great parallel with Carter, and I remember his Presidency well.

[pizzmoe]

As usual, great post RJ.

[losangelian1]

Agreed. Great post. I can only wish I grew up in the 60's with the music and the change...

After 8 years of hell, I am so excited that Barack Obama will be our next president. It makes me believe in this country again.

[lizr]

Ijust hope all you young people kick ass on voter reg and getting out the VOTE!

[lizr]

My advice- NEVER underestimate the power of age and cunning to stifle youth and beauty.

Never ever underestimate the Republicans.

They raised enough money in the last month to bury us in negative advertising. They will go after Barack's family, may even attempt to bomb Iran or make up a false terrorist incident...they will do JUST ABOUT ANYTHING-- including stirring up hatred between Clintonites and Obama people as we see on these threads, in order to win.

We know Barack is righteous and deserves to be the winner. But it will take ALL of the kids and all the rest of us really actually working on the campaign to beat all the Republican MONEY and FEAR TACTICS>

Take it from one who has been through a few campaigns in her time. :)

We can relax for a moment, but they never stop. Because they are fighting for their pocketbooks, and they are only happy when they are MUCH richer than everyone else.

Please never forget this about Republicans. It's always all about the money, and stirring up hatred and fear. But the smart ones who really care about the country are coming over to us.

And the Rove types cannot steal an election IF it's a LANDSLIDE. So it needs to be.

[marymansour]

I agree in toto about the Obama comparison with RFK. Can't go there with the Hillary thing. Obama and Hillary don't go together. It's not like McCartney and Lennon. It's more like JFK and Johnson. One is sincere, the other a cad.

GO OBAMA!

[MDTERP]

And Johnson being the sincere one right? Johnson being the one who brought us the Great Society and passed landmark civil rights legislation. Surely you don't mean Kennedy was the sincere one do you? Go read real history, not Camelot revisionism. Is this the basis for Obamamania? This glassy-eyed celebrity obsession? Fortunately there seems to be more to him than Daddy's money and and an extreme hypersexuality.

[evekendall]

She means their personalities did not mesh well...not their political ideas.

[chappelforpres]

History says that Johnson battled for eight long months following Kennedy's assassination, to get Kennedy's civil rights legislation passed. There's no doubt that Johnson, a Texan and staunch anti-communist, called in some chips, recast foreign policy and leaned intimidatingly on any opposition. The legislation itself though, was introduced by JFK.

John F. Kennedy - June 1963

"But there are other necessary measures which only the Congress can provide, and they must be provided at this session.... in too many communities, in too many parts of the country, wrongs are inflicted on Negro citizens and there are no remedies at law. Unless the Congress acts, their only remedy is in the streets.

I am, therefore, asking the Congress to enact legislation giving all Americans the right to be served in facilities which are open to the public...It seems to me to be an elementary right. Its denial is an arbitrary indignity that no American in 1963 should have to endure.

I have recently met with scores of business leaders urging them to take voluntary action to end discrimination, and I have been encouraged by their response.... But many are unwilling to act alone, and for this reason, nationwide legislation is needed if we are to move this problem from the streets to the courts.

I am also asking Congress to authorize the federal government to participate...in lawsuits designed to end segregation in public education. Today, a Negro is attending a state-supported institution in ...(all) fifty states.

[clbrune]

I wouldn't call Obama a "cad," really.

;-)

[GOP4MoreTears]

A wiseguy eh?

[DeadDogDemocrat]

More boomer angst. If Obama's elected he'll be America's first post-Beatles president (do the math--he was in daipers when he was on Sullivan and hadn't hit puberty when they broke up). And I mean this nicely: that drives some of you crazy, doesn't it? That the President of the United States might be someone who only learned about Lenon and McCartney through "best of" compilations. Who doubts there were people who thought the same thing about Glen Miller way back when.

[fu22yCWD]

sorry, dog, but I remember the Beatles, maybe not on Sullivan, but i DO remember the White Album and Abbey Lane, not to mention the Yellow Submarine. Now that i have established my credentials, let me say that Senator Obama and i are approximately the same age...i turn 46 in July. So maybe he DOES remember Rocky raccon...

[Jazzbeau]

Fuzz

"...but i DO remember the White Album and Abbey Lane, .... Now that i have established my credentials..." NOT!

[mccabe49]

Likie we care what does him being in diapers when the beatles were on Sullivan have to do with anything? I believe people are talking about an idealism that died beginning wioth Regan and most recently with GW Bush. Why do you right wingers have to take everything so literally? PS that's a rhetorical question

[livesimply]

You don't know what you're talking about.

[pizzmoe]

I don't think McSame is capable of saying the right thing. The man makes less sense every day,although i give him props for having the guts to call for town meetings with him and Obama. Tell me how you can see them side by side, listen to what they have to say, and vote for McSame. You can't!

[MaureenSharkey]

Hey, I've got an idea!

Hillary hang on to her delegates til the convention!

By then, Obama will have been so beaten up by the republicans, they'll have everybody hating him---like they did to Hillary and Bill years ago----then Hillary will be looking pretty good by then, having had no bullets to dodge. Then she'll walk on stage at the convention and the superdelegates will say Obama had too much baggage with the Chicago crook, Rezko, and he has proven he really doesn't know what he's talking about, and that lobbiest are bay far not our biggest challenges we have today---then they give Hillary the Nomination!

It could happen. Be hopeful!

[lizr]

I think you probably know you are not the first with this idea.

It is probably the main obstacle to Obama's people allowing her to have her roll call vote (for her daughter) on the first ballot. In his heart he'd love to accomodate her, I think, but it seems it's never over..

Not like we haven't seen underhanded tactics before.

Nor have we dealt with Republican trolls like you.

[marymansour]

are you on acid?

[Nancyann]

Perhaps you have forgotten about all if Hillary's baggage. HERE IS BUT A LITTLE BIT
HILLARY CLINTON

(1) Took a $100,000 bribe, camouflaged as futures trades,
from Tyson Foods Inc.

(2) Speculated in Health Care industry futures while overseeing
legislative reform of same.

(3) Failed to correct false testimony by co-defendant Ira
Magaziner in Health Care trial.

(4) Obstructed justice by ordering the shredding of Vince
Foster's documents in the Rose Law Firm.

(5) Ordered members of the Health Care Task Force to shred
documents that were the target of a court probe.

(6) Ordered the removal of documents from Vince Foster's office.

(7) Told aides to lie about their removal of documents from
Foster's office

(8) Obstructed justice by keeping her billing records, a document
sought under subpoena, in the White House residence.

(9) Lied to investigators about her knowledge about billing
records.

(10) Lied to investigators about her involvement in the Castle
Grande land flip con.

(11) Ordered the use of the FBI to discredit Travel Office
employees.

(12) Lied to investigators about her involvement in the firing of
Travel Office Employees.

[clbrune]

cut-and-paste from 1990's rag magazines?

[SermoVita]

I'm sorry to say but if you do not think that lobbiest are the biggest problem with this country then you have no idea how this country is run. The lobbiest are the foundation for everything wrong with this country. You cannot change anything without starting from the ground up. Which is exactly why Obama's campaign is striking at the core of "change".

[lizr]

that would be lobbyists, Sermo.

agree with the sentiment though!

[oncethere]

Wasn't Ringo's first wife Maureen Starkey?

[BlueAsh]

Nice essay.

But you just can't help but keep Clinton's name out there, can you?