Richard (RJ) Eskow

Richard (RJ) Eskow

Posted: March 13, 2010 12:23 PM

Why Caddell's Wrong -- Passing The Bill Will Help Democrats

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There's a lot of buzz in health care circles about an editorial in today's Washington Post entitled "If Democrats ignore health-care polls, midterms will be costly." That could be dangerous: the author's conclusions are contradicted, not supported, by the available facts.

The editorial's written by Patrick Caddell, described as a "political commentator and former pollster," and Douglas E. Schoen. Caddell and Schoen play the "pollsters to the past two Democratic presidents" card prominently, but here's what they don't tell you: Schoen's been on a third-party kick since he wrote a paean to centrism called Declaring Independence: The Beginning of the End of the Two-Party System. And Caddell's a "commentator," all right: he's now a right-leaning Fox News regular. There's plenty of YouTube video of Caddell clucking tongues with Glenn Beck over Van Jones' "violent past," or whatever the right-wing outrage of the day happens to be.

Which would all be fine if their analysis of the data was informed and correct - but it's not. It's a skewed piece that reflects the worst of Washington's Villager wisdom. If Democrats listen to them - and many will be tempted - it will make a difficult situation even worse.

"The battle for public opinion has been lost," they write. Nothing could be further from the truth. When asked how much they know about the health reform proposal, 40% of respondents in a recent Ipsos/McClatchy poll said "not very much" and 17% said "nothing at all." 32% said they knew "a fair amount," which isn't a lot. When 57% of the public indicates little or no understanding of the bill and another 32% knows they don't fully grasp it, the battle isn't "lost." On the contrary - these numbers show that the battle has barely been fought.

That impression's supported by what Newsweek calls "The Polling Contradiction." In summarizing its own polling data, Newsweek observes: "The majority of Americans are opposed to President Obama's health-care reform plan--until they learn the details." 81% approve of the health insurance exchanges, for example, and 76% approve a rule that requires insurers to accept anyone who applies.

Caddell and Schoen engage in some extreme cherry-picking of the data. Of four polls used to support their conclusions, three are from Scott Rasmussen, whose findings are known to lean more pro-Republican and anti-Obama than others. Yet here's a credible Rasmussen finding Caddell and Schoen somehow manage to overlook: People who oppose health reform overwhelmingly describe themselves as "Strongly Opposed."

How can any clear-headed analysis lead to the conclusion that a weaker bill will be more popular, given that its opponents feel "strongly" about it? Watering down a few of its provisions isn't going to win them over.

It's true that, as Newsweek observes, "Not all Democrat positions received such high marks. Imposing a fine on individuals who do not buy health insurance was the least popular provision ... (and) fifty-five percent opposed the so-called Cadillac tax on the most expensive health-insurance plans." But the "Cadillac tax" has been loosened and deferred for five years - during which a lot can happen politically. And as for the individual mandate, it's not a popular provision, but it's not going to be changed now.

Of the many polls that show more people opposed to reform than supporting it, it appears that only the McClatchy/Ipsos survey (as noted by Barry Sussman) thought to ask why. After finding that 47% of respondents opposed the bill and only 41% supported it - findings that are fairly consistent with other polls - they asked the reason for their opposition. 37% of those who oppose this bill said they "favor health reform overall but don't think the current proposals go far enough." That means that nearly 59% of the people polled support comprehensive health reform, which directly contradicts Caddell and Schoen's statement that "comprehensive health care has been lost." Actually, comprehensive health care has won. The challenge facing Democrats is to convince people between now and Election Day that they've delivered the comprehensive reform these voters want.

What's comprehensive about this bill? A massive reduction in the overall number of uninsured Americans. Subsidies to provide millions with health care coverage. An end to abusive insurance practices like cancelling coverage once a person gets sick. No more denials for people with pre-existing conditions. A well-designed insurance exchange that will subject insurance premiums to an unprecedented level of public scrutiny. A start on cost controls. A requirement that the exchange offer the same coverage provided to members of Congress (which serves as a brake on future benefit cuts).That's why, after a long year of struggle to improve the bill's flaws, I now support it. I can't turn my back on the uninsured in favor of an idealized bill that might be passed in some bright future ... especially if the likely outcome of failure this year is a Congress that's less likely to pass any reform at all.

Could the bill be improved? Of course, and if history is an example (see Medicare) it will be -- but not if a conservative majority is returned to both houses of Congress. Inaction makes that outcome more likely. Republicans have promised to run on repealing of any bill the Democrats pass. That's not a platform - it's nihilism.

Progressives have an immediate challenge and a slightly-longer term task. The immediate challenge is to pass a bill that improves our fractured health system. The longer-term task is to spend the run-up to November explaining what's been accomplished, and to ensure the electoral victories we need if the future is to be one of continued progress - rather than inaction from the "Party of No." We need a future of reform, not repeal.

When it comes to health reform, Caddell and Schoen have it backwards. Comprehensive health care is the best option, both as politics and as policy. Ignore the naysayers and pass the bill.

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Richard (RJ) Eskow, a consultant and writer, is a Senior Fellow with the Campaign for America's Future. This post was produced as part of the Curbing Wall Street project. Richard blogs at:

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There's a lot of buzz in health care circles about an editorial in today's Washington Post entitled "If Democrats ignore health-care polls, midterms will be costly." That could be dangerous: the aut...
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NOSMAVAN   09:39 AM on 3/16/2010
Whether the Republicans have won - I think they did, by watering down the health "reform" bill to the point of being useless - or the Democrats, by getting "something" passed, it is very clear that the big looser is the American People.

The biggest winner of all are the people who financed the entire mess over the past year: Big pharma and big insurance. With more than half of our elected representatives in the pockets of one or the other, or both, to varying degrees, it is no wonder that in the final analysis big $$$ will decide the faith and health of the American people.
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rebelriser   12:36 PM on 3/19/2010
I don't believe the Republicans have won or that the Democrats have lost, or why are the Repubs still taking out Ads & going on television shows spouting their scare tactics, propaganda & outright lies? I believe, since very few have actually read the whole health care bill, we'll all be surprised at all the good it contains. Lets don't give Repubs any credit for the yarns they've been telling, because afterall, there are only a few unintelligent persons who still believe the loudmouths among the Republicans.
- bill   01:36 PM on 3/19/2010
Have YOU actually read the details of the bill yourself? I haven't, but I HAVE paid VERY close attention to what's been written about it, both pro and con.

The emphasis seems to be on the 'con' that it will lower premiums (they will continue to rise at their normal 6+% rate - if anything slightly faster than they would with no bill - and the rest of us will pay via mandates and/or taxes for subsidizing the needy), lower the deficit (leaving aside reduction of rampant Medicare fraud, which has nothing to do with the other elements of the bill and should have occurred long ago, it will add very significantly to the deficit), cover 32,000,000 who would otherwise be uninsured (but only by 2019 - and it will still leave 22,000,000 uninsured then), cover people with pre-existing conditions (most of them starting in 2014), and 'pave the way for further so-called reform' (when in fact it will cement the iron grip that private insurers hold over our lives and allow Obama to raise his "Mission Accomplished!" banner and move on to different perfidy).

The bill as-is is a fraud primarily benefiting private insurers - and Obama wants it that way.
- bill   02:20 PM on 3/19/2010
I guess I should also have suggested a reasonable alternative - otherwise, you may just respond with the "but we HAVE to help cover those people" mantra without bothering to quantify just how bad the rest of the bill has to be before that justification for passing it becomes ridiculous.

The immediate option would be for House progressives to stand by their clear-as-crystal pledge NOT to vote for the bill unless it includes (via reconciliation) a strong public option available to all. Since over 50 Senators are on record as supporting this (see http://fdlaction.firedoglake.com/2010/01/29/list-of-51-senate-democrats-who-support-a-public-option-whats-stopping-them-now/ and http://whipcongress.com/ ), it could pass this month via reconciliation, making the complete package acceptable if still hardly ideal (the ideal being single-payer).

Or they could send it down to the defeat that it deserves if they can't get the right language through the House - though in that case the right language would almost certainly suddenly become feasible, because that's the way this whole farce has played out over the last year.

By the way, most of my quantitative statements above come from the sources (primarily the CBO estimates) that I used in http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/03/17/dennis-kucinich-health-care_n_502182.html?show_comment_id=42466979#comment_42466979 - in one case updated to account for recent changes.
- bill   02:29 PM on 3/19/2010
Darn these 250-word comment limitations. The last point is that if this bill DOES get defeated, since most of its effects don't kick in until 2014 there's still plenty of time to create, pass, and activate BETTER solutions that will kick in just as quickly if not even sooner.

If, that is, the will to do so exists. But the people who are urging that we pass this turkey and then improve it later are themselves by definition assuming that such will exists, so it should not require any leap of faith on their part.
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MARYHOBE   11:37 PM on 3/15/2010
This exposes the disinformation campaign of the extreme American Right Wing and the fear tactics that have been waged against the American people. I am of the opinion that as soon as the voters see the bill passed, they will emit a sigh of relief, and in 6 months when all the dire predictions of the Right come to naught, they will massively vote for the party of hope and abandon the failed idealogues of the American Right Wing. Then the job of rebuilding the GOP will go to those republicans who have always honestly and truthfully worked for the United States, politicians like John McCain and Olympia Snow.
HidingintheDeepSouth   08:33 AM on 3/16/2010
Amen Sista!
I have been saying the same for a long time. When those who are in opposition to health care reform realize that they are not commies, haven't been put in FEMA camps and haven't been taxed to the point of hunger, they will be pleased. When they and their children actually attain health insurance and access to health care they will be thrilled. In my experience, most of the people most afraid of health care reform either don't have insurance or are on Medicare themselves. It is amazing to me that the hard right have been able to get the population so fearful that they would protest the very thing that might keep them alive!
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rebelriser   12:39 PM on 3/19/2010
NOT MCcain. He has been expounding the Bush tactics right & left along with speaking out of the opposite side of his mouth and saying the exact opposite of his former beliefs.
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eztempo   10:51 PM on 3/15/2010
It's negligence bordering on the criminally insane that the Obama Administration ignored making the public case for health care insurance reform until the past couple of weeks. It's allowed Congress to drift rudderless and the Republicans to demonize Obama and his agenda. Now they only have about eight months to turn it around.

I fear the President and his Chief of Staff have depended altogether too much on Congressional leaders to do their work for them.
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LawTalkingGuy   08:54 PM on 3/15/2010
"And as for the individual mandate, it's not a popular provision, but it's not going to be changed now."

It has to be changed, otherwise it will provide greater coverage by robbing from the poor to give to the rich.
- bill   07:19 PM on 3/15/2010
Eskow is right when he says that "The immediate challenge is to pass a bill that improves our fractured health system." He's just wrong in claiming that the current package (without including a strong public option passed via reconciliation) meets that standard.

If - and ONLY if - the House includes that strong public option available to all in the reconciliation package which it sends to the Senate, THEN the turkey will change into a swan (or at least a good-lucking duck) and become worthy of passage.
Braves71   09:25 PM on 3/15/2010
In due time. I believe that. Big legislation always gets altered and added to over time. And if it's right and moral, it won't be repealed.

If nothing else, the Dems. will have something good to campaign with.

The Dems will have that 'courage', the President is out being that tough campaigner and putting his cred. out there, and more Americans will now be covered and able to go to the doctor. ANYone who accepts 30 million+ Americans only having free clinics and emergency rooms as a health care last resort needs a serious morality check.

What on earth can the Republicans boast about and say other than no, repeal, obstruct....people will ask, with unemployment hovering at 10%, when banks and companies were about to fall off the precipice,
foreclosures, no job, no health care (usually goes with the job, right?), costs of the status quo health care spiralling out of reality...if the Dems are wrong or right, they've been busting a gut to try fix things, so...
What have YOU guys done, at all, lately to help us? I think the people will have an answer the GOP may not like. That's my bet...we'll see.
- bill   12:52 AM on 3/16/2010
Due time is NOW. Now is when the opportunity exists: the House has the votes to pass a strong public option (they already did), over 50 Senators are on record as being willing to support it IF it's present in the reconciliation package that the House sends them, and Durbin has committed to 'whip aggressively' for it IF it's in that package.

If they won't do that now, who in their right mind will believe any promises they make to pass it later? I certainly won't: I've committed to voting Republican next November if that happens, just to do my best to throw them out of office - because with Democrats acting like these have there's nothing significant to be gained by electing them, whereas if we throw them out they'll better understand that they won't be allowed to govern unless their walk matches their talk and (after the brief but necessary pain of having more Republicans at the helm) they'll act better next time around.
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429freckles   04:50 PM on 3/15/2010
I agree with the writer here on ALL points. Good assessment sir. I do not support this bill -- merely because is DOESN"T go far enough. But, barring the perfect, it's a good step. Therefore, I guess I do support the effort & this bill. So even my own opinions are contradictory. Time to get it done.
Etniks   04:48 PM on 3/15/2010
DO NOT PASS THIS MAD MEDICAL BILL.

IT IS USELESS. IT DOES NOT FIX THE PROBLEM.

IT WILL MAKE PRIVATE INSURERS EVEN RICHER, REWARDING THEM, INSTEAD OF PUNISHING THEM FOR THEIR GREED.

IT WILL BANKRUPT THE COUNTRY.

What we need is a president with balls who can confront the greedy bastards and call their game as it is, as already most people knows it is, and push for a lowering of the age limit in Medicare by five years every six months, forcing the private insurers to conform to the new reality, assimilate into the system or get out.
It won't be difficult to convince the unconvinced if the president used the thousands of real stories, by every day citizens, who have suffered the wrath of these inhuman Corporate criminals who profit from the pain of their fellow countrymen.
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rebelriser   01:01 PM on 3/19/2010
Not naming anyone who is so ignorant as to believe the scare tactics which are administered through lies of Repubs, but we need A HEALTH CARE BILL PASSED that can be improved on with the Reconcilliation where the parts left out in the Sanate Bill can be reinstated. Please STOP believing those Republicans whose only goal is to trash and burn everything President Obama does through scare tactics and lies. Have you asked any of those lying Republicans about their ability to get "Free MEDICAL CARE right inhouse a nd at our expence? Isn't that Socialized medicine? Do you have that at your work place? Why do you think the Republicans are trying to prevent the rest of the people from having some health care similar to their own and which our taxes provide a good amount to support? You people need to recognize that the Republicans, including the Religious right, have a big hunger for the whole pie.
smpj   03:37 PM on 3/15/2010
Well, if it offers such an obvious health care panacea for people, why hasn't it already been passed? Your analysis is nothing more than wishful thinking propaganda - and Democrats with their ears to the ground know this.
bobbybee   04:33 PM on 3/15/2010
I will restate for you from Mr Eskow's article, since you apparently missed it:
57% of the respondents have little or no understanding of the bill; another 32% do not fully grasp it.
One might just as well respond to your query with one directed at the GOP: If tort reform is such a great thing, why hasn't it already passed?
There are always a number of factors at play, not the least of which is the massive amount of lobbying $ tossed around by the insurance and pharmacy industries, bent on maintaining the current system which is so lucrative for them. Let me be clear - I don't mean to demonize. These are corporate entities whose fiduciary duty is to maximize return for their shareholders. I don't begrudge them that. But I don't believewe should let the profit motive play such a huge roll in the health care market.
smpj   05:44 PM on 3/15/2010
What people do understand they don't like. First, they see it as too expensive. They don't believe it will be deficit neutral - and plenty of analysts agree. They also think it will change negatively the way health care is delivered to them - and how can it not?

I suspect if the Republicans had the same level of majority the Democrats had until recently, tort reform certainly would have passed had they been in the unlikely circumstances of trying to enact compresive health care.

And this bill gives these corporate interests you mention an awful lot. They're going to be fine if the thing passes - at least until the money runs out, and it surely will.
Mbarry2754   05:59 PM on 3/15/2010
Tort reform is a good thing, but not a game changer. The Congressional Budget office says that tort reform will save between .5 and 1.% of health care spending. Certainly worth doing, but nowhere near the savings that the Republican liars make it out to be!
bert70   01:54 PM on 3/16/2010
bobybee; the problem with the words Tort Reform, is this is the law suits directed at big corps. by thousands of "We the People", that is what the Repubs. want stopped. the Dems. callede it Medical Malpractise Reform, that has not so much interest to the Corporate schill Repubs.
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rebelriser   01:09 PM on 3/19/2010
Have you been asleep? Your answer is: The tea Baggers and Republican scare tactics through lies which uneducated persons too readily believe. President Obama never gave anyone any indication that it would be easy to get this Health Care Bill written and passed. It has taken over 60 years, you must recall.
WHEN, OH WHEN will people finally realize the Republicans are lying to continue getting BIG stashes from Insurance & Drug companies. I just had surgery a few days ago, and I can tell you those pain killing drugs which the Insurance companies wiith the help of Republicans push made me pretty sick, but those are what they load onto Doctors to use on us.
ANGEL53545   03:25 PM on 3/15/2010
it didnt work in russia, why would it work here?
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rebelriser   01:20 PM on 3/19/2010
Try glancing in the direction of Canada, Sweedon, Norway, Cuba and several other advanced and unadvanced countries and notice how their state run health care IS WORKINING FOR THEM
Billl   03:06 PM on 3/15/2010
Without using government’s low cost advantages nobody can fix health care.

One week of public hearings should be held to educate the President, legislators, and voters, as to how a Public Option using Veterans Health Care successes could save lives and a $trillion annually by using a dual choice Private or Public Option plan.

Only a Free Public Option, run by the government, which eliminates insurance companies, and uses sales taxes to pay for care, which would then be delivered free, to everyone choosing Public Option care, from government hospitals, can produce these drastic cost savings.

No government funding should be paid to private systems.

Medicare and Medicaid could easily be salvaged without bankrupting the federal government by using this Public Option system to deliver all care and medications to all recipients totally free and at a fraction of government’s current costs now devoured by private systems.

If all federal, state, and local government employees were switched to Public Option care along with indigent and all other care programs all their costs would be cut in half.

Between 1995 and 2004, the cumulative increase in the VA’s cost per enrollee was just 0.8 percent, while Medicare was a whopping 40.4 percent.

http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/features/2005/0501.longman.html

Why not give better care, eliminate costs and hassles, and save a $trillion annually?
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jackbutler5555   02:19 PM on 3/15/2010
Caddell and Schoen should be asked to respond to this devastating critique.
smpj   03:38 PM on 3/15/2010
First, they've got to stop laughing at it.
pennsykid2000   01:57 PM on 3/15/2010
The fact that nearly 40% of those opposed to the health care legislation oppose it because it does NOT GO FAR ENOUGH has been virtually ignored by the media as well as Democrats, leaving the Repubs able to falsely claim that everyone expressing oppostion agrees with them, that it GOES TOO FAR. This hides the obvious conclusion that they are in fact in the minority, and that those who favor substantial health care reform are in the strong majority. Why are the media continuing to fall down on the job of informing the public on crucial issues this entire decade?
kbatch   02:18 PM on 3/15/2010
It seems that recently the bill has become somewhat more popular and I wondered if that wasn't associated with HCR supporters who were not happy with the absence of the public option deciding/being convinced recently that there's something here worth supporting, with the hopes that this is just the beginning. It appears that these data may support that. I agree, it's incredibly frustrating to hear reporters like Politico's Carrie Budhoff Brown describing reconciliation as "ramming through" the bill.
eyepatch   03:17 PM on 3/15/2010
Yes you said a mouth full when you said that
there are people who don't like the Health Care reforms
because they don't go FAR ENOUGH!

I completely agree with that, in fact if there is no
"public option" I am against the entire proposal
because in it's current form it mandates that
everyone gets cover without a "true discount"
carrier that will help insure low costs through
competition....

and you are correct the MSM is only telling
one side of the story.Also, If the administration
gets to sign a health care legislation this
year the republicans will have no argument
to make when it comes to the administration
keeping it's promises......The party of NO will
look even more racist and inept!!!
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DuncanONeil   04:00 PM on 3/15/2010
One company, run by the Government, is supposed to provide competition for 1700 companies that have been in the business for years?

That one little company would by the way have at least one unfair advantage. Sale of product nationwide while the "competition" is limited to a state for clients.
Then there is the fact that the Government is not supposed to compete with private companies!
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Jeff Weils   04:24 PM on 3/15/2010
Allowing carriers to cross state lines will give you the "competition" you so desire, not a public option. A public option is dem-speak for bigger government, more union employees, and bigger election donations. True competition will never occur until providers are allowed to go national.

Dems are the party of "No", especially since Republicans have been seeking HCR for the last 10 years. My guess is that the reform didn't include a socialist takeover, therefore it did not suit the Dems' desires for HCR.

IHS and VA, two shining examples of government run health care. Ask a Native American about the health care they receive from IHS. Ask a Veteran about visits to the VA. As a veteran of the military, before I get either of these, I want to read exactly what is being proposed, and "trust me" will not cut it. The last time I heard those two words from a government paid doctor it cost me.
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429freckles   05:02 PM on 3/15/2010
I'm hopeful that we can to prove our "does not go far enough" point in November by voting in more progressive Democrats who HAVE heard & will fight for what we really need & want. The public option will NOT die. Single payer will NOT die. It's all a matter of time. The Republicans are on the wrong side of this fight. The media continues to fall down on the job because they are pretty much funded by a Republican agenda and are lead pretty much by Republicans. We need to get the vote out in November to PROVE once & for all that the real majority here (both silent & vocal) are NOT through speaking.
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DuncanONeil   09:44 AM on 3/16/2010
By definition Progressives seek to dismantle the Constitution!
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DuncanONeil   01:42 PM on 3/15/2010
"The battle for public opinion has been lost," they write. Nothing could be further from the truth. When asked how much they know about the health reform proposal, 40% of respondents in a recent Ipsos/McClatchy poll said "not very much" and 17% said "nothing at all." 32% said they knew "a fair amount," which isn't a lot. When 57% of the public indicates little or no understanding of the bill and another 32% knows they don't fully grasp it, the battle isn't "lost." On the contrary - these numbers show that the battle has barely been fought.

Perhaps that is because the damn thing is well over 2000 pages long. In addition very little is contained in a manner that people actually read. What with all the references to other legislation and cross references to other parts of this legislation. Then there is the Senate bill which is nothing more than a series of changes to the House bill, itself thousands of pages long.

There are reasons for this mess of writing. Lawyers, trying to cover everything, or even for the purpose of hiding what it is really about?
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jackbutler5555   02:21 PM on 3/15/2010
You think if it were 100 pages, it would get more support?

Or, is the lack of support more of a triumph of Republican opposition?
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DuncanONeil   04:02 PM on 3/15/2010
The lack of support comes from the bill itself.
Were it 100 pages more people would know what it says.
Then there would be no question about the efficacy of the bill.

Actually I think Congress should never propose anything over 100 pages!
tweedledeedumb   07:54 AM on 3/16/2010
or industry opposition?
fscottnm   03:01 PM on 3/15/2010
The federal government's regulations on how to grade carrots (as in, "Grade A Carrots") are over 400 pages long. Why on God's green earth does anyone expect a health care overhaul bill to be short or written in plain English?
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DuncanONeil   04:03 PM on 3/15/2010
Because everyone is bound by the law, everyone should be able to read and understand them.
valboski   01:08 PM on 3/15/2010
From Cadell's voice to God's ear.
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DuncanONeil   09:28 AM on 3/16/2010
Why?
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Chris Rautmann   01:05 PM on 3/15/2010
The major fallacy of the GOP is this.

Health care is a free market.

It's not. it's already completely government subsidized, and runs under multiple monopolies.
The health insurance industry does not even cover the most costly segment of the population. Medicare does. Add their costs to the sytem, and health insurance companies would implode overnight.
And that's precisely what Paul Ryan is advocating.
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DuncanONeil   04:03 PM on 3/15/2010
Multiple monopolies is an oxymoron!
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DuncanONeil   04:05 PM on 3/15/2010
However the total cost to the nation includes monies spent on health from all sources. And these bills are going to increase that cost by at least 50%