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Why the United States Is Not Greece or Italy -- and Shouldn't Act Like It

Posted: 11/15/11 11:14 AM ET

In the run-up to the Super Committee deadline, the news is filled with headlines about the potential default of Greece and Italy on their government debts.

Some might think that these developments highlight the need for draconian austerity measures in the U.S. to prevent us from suffering a similar fate. The Republican Party claims that "our debt has put us on the same path as Greece." They would be wrong.

To see just how wrong, all you need do is look at the difference in what the U.S. government is paying to borrow money today -- and the rates being charged to Greece and Italy. Last week the financial markets demanded 7% interest rates on 10-year Italian bonds. That ultimately forced the passage of unpopular austerity measures, and the resignation of Prime Minister Berlusconi. Similarly onerous interest rates forced out Greek Prime Minister Papandreou several weeks ago.

Meanwhile, the yield on 10-year bonds has been at near-record lows - around 2% throughout the summer. And 30-year U.S. Treasury bonds yields have hovered around 3%.

What explains the difference?

Is it the "excessive" social benefits offered by Greece and Italy?

As economist Paul Krugman points out, there is no relation whatsoever between the level of social benefits and the interest rates demanded by financial markets.

Of course all European countries offer substantially more generous social benefits to their citizens than does the United States -- including universal health care. But Italy and Greece do not have bigger welfare states than other countries that are doing quite well financially. Before the crisis, social expenditure spending was lower in Greece and Italy than it was in Germany -- and a good deal lower than in Sweden where GDP has been growing throughout the crisis.

Meanwhile, Canada, which has universal health care and much more robust social safety net programs than the United States, did a much better job weathering the financial crisis of 2008 and the years since than did the United States.

No, other factors are at work here.

Fundamentally -- no matter what Standard and Poor's says about the unreliability of the Federal Government's financial decision-making -- world financial markets still consider U.S. Treasury Notes the safest investment in the world. In fact, in a perverse sense, troubles elsewhere make U.S. Treasuries more attractive.

Whatever you think about the issues underlying the European financial market crisis, its facts simply cannot be denied. The numbers are there for everyone to see.

There are a number of key factors that contribute to the relative security of U.S. Treasuries -- and they are likely to make it so well into the future.

The critical difference between the financial structure of the United States and Europe is that we have our own national currency, and the countries of the Eurozone do not.

In the United States, Congress, as dysfunctional as it sometimes is, provides a mechanism to forge a nationwide fiscal policy. Europe, where most fiscal decisions are made at the national levels, has no comparable mechanism. What you get instead is a hodge-podge of policies -- what you'd have gotten in the U.S. if we had kept the Articles of Confederation rather than the U.S. Constitution.

The U.S. Constitution not only gives the United States the ability to decide -- country-wide -- how much the largest player in the government bond market will borrow. It also gives us the ability to handle differences in the economic circumstances of our states without threatening the collapse of the entire national economy -- or the financial system -- and to prevent the internal political problems that result.

Economic problems in Mississippi do not require, for instance, that the government of New York vote to "bail out" Mississippi. In Europe, the other governments of the Eurozone -- especially Germany and France -- had to make that very unpopular political decision.

While the common European currency worked fine so long as the zone -- and the world -- experienced sustained growth, the lack of common fiscal policy makes it particularly vulnerable in periods of economic stagnation or recession. And it deprives the Eurozone of the fiscal and monetary tools to dampen the effects of recessionary economic forces.

In a period of recession or economic stagnation there is a natural and desirable increase in government debt as a percentage of Gross Domestic Product (GDP), since there are more demands on governmental social safety net programs -- and less tax revenue.

That increase in government deficit spending offsets the decreased private economic demand that is the root cause of recessions. It provides an important means of ending the downward recessionary spiral -- preventing depression -- and restoring an economy to long-term economic growth.

In the United States, as deficits increase during a recession, the Federal Reserve has the ability to increase the money supply and keep interests rates low -- in both the markets for private and for government debt.

Because the U.S. has its own currency -- and because much of the world's transactions are denominated in dollars -- our government can borrow money denominated in our own currency and control overall interest rates in our economy.

In the United States, the Federal Reserve has the ability to "monetize" the federal debt. It can directly purchase government bonds without having to borrow the money to pay for them. That helps drive down interest rates on government or private debt by expanding the money supply -- by "printing money."

The power -- and willingness -- of the Federal Reserve to control interest rates and the money supply -- is a critical factor that helps make U.S. government debt such a safe bet to private investors. Investors who buy U.S. government bonds are much less prone to panic if they know that the Fed can step in to provide a market for U.S. government debt.

The system has some of the same effect on financial markets as the Federal Deposit Insurance Corporation does on bank depositors. There are less likely to be a run on a bank that causes it to go out of business, if you know that the FDIC will cover your losses if there ever is a bank collapse. That in turn becomes a self-fulfilling prophecy -- fewer banks collapse because there are fewer bank panics, or runs on the bank.

In the case of the Fed's ability to buy government bonds, a run on U.S. Treasury bonds is less likely because the Fed can -- and will -- step in to stabilize the government bond market.

Not so in Europe.

The European Central Bank (ECB) is forbidden by its charter from buying government bonds directly from participating countries. And it has been unwilling to take the intermediary step of buying large numbers of government bonds on the private market.

To make matters worse, none of the participating countries has any direct control over the value of its own currency whatsoever.

In a recession, when the percentage of government debt to GDP goes up automatically, that makes it impossible for any individual government -- like Greece or Italy -- to "monetize" its government debt. They have given up the power to do so to the European Central Bank that is controlled by all of Europe, and as a practical matter, by the biggest players and particularly Germany. Each individual country has zero ability to independently control interest rates in its own economy.

There have been growing calls in Europe to change the ECB charter -- or at the least for the ECB to intervene forcefully in the private market for government bonds and hence "monetize" the debts of member countries by increasing the overall money supply in Europe. Without this kind of backing Eurozone member country debt is ripe for speculative panic and attack. If the ECB took this kind of action, the European "financial crisis" would likely end.

Or as the New York Times analyst Jack Ewing wrote this morning, "What markets want to hear, though, is not only prescriptions for long-term overhauls but also assurances that the central bank will do whatever it takes to prevent near-term panic."

In fact, you could argue that much of this "crisis" has in fact been manufactured by "austerity hawks" in Europe who want to use market pressure to force austerity measures on member governments. In fact, last week the ECB actually cut its overall purchases of government bonds on the private market at precisely the time that Italy's bonds were spiking to 7%. Jens Weidmann, head of the German Bundesbank and German representative to the ECB governing board is quoted in Tuesday's Washington Post arguing that the ECB "cannot and should not solve the financial problems of states."

Europe faces another problem we don't have in the United States. If countries that control their own fiscal and monetary policy have their own currencies, then economic imbalances between them often appear in changes in the values of those currencies relative to each other. That's true at least if they are allowed to float on world currency markets. Note that one of the big disputes between the U.S. and China today is that the Chinese don't allow their own currency to float relative to the dollar, resulting in relatively lower prices for Chinese goods in the U.S. and higher prices for U.S. goods in China.

But when different countries without common fiscal or monetary policies have a common currency, those economic imbalances aren't reflected in the value of discreet currencies -- since all of those countries have the same currency with one value against all others. The result is that these imbalances come out in other ways. We're seeing one of those in the default crisis in the Eurozone.

In addition, the European banking system is more fragile and vulnerable to market fluctuations because bank regulators in Europe have been less prone to demand higher capital requirements for European banks than regulators in the U.S. -- despite heavy lobbying aimed at their European counterparts by the Obama administration. That creates yet another factor enhancing the instability of Eurozone finances.

Finally, the Congressional Budget Office's baseline estimate is that public debt in the United States will rise to and level off at no more than 74% of GDP. The CIA world fact book estimates that last year public debt hit 142% of GDP in Greece and 119 % of GDP in Italy.

The level of public debt in the United States is qualitatively lower than it is in Greece and Italy.

As a result of all of these factors, the United States is not facing imminent default or exploding interest rates on government debt. But the European crisis -- and the potential reaction of the media, the Super Committee and other elites in the United States -- could endanger us greatly.

Of course a full out meltdown of the European financial system would send shock waves throughout the world economy. That could be the result of the brinksmanship being played by Europe's "austerity hawks."

But if the "austerity hawks" are successful at forcing more draconian cutbacks, that will have bad consequences as well.

For decades, the International Monetary Fund (IMF) has preached the need for fiscal constraint and austerity. According to the Washington Post, now even the IMF is warning that, "austerity may trigger a new recession," and is urging countries to look for ways to boost growth.

Because they have no Eurozone-wide fiscal policy, countries in Europe like Greece and Italy are forced into "austerity" policies by the financial sector to avoid default. That will simply make matters worse in the near term, and certainly over the long run.

Not one of the European countries that has tried to cut its way out of recession has been successful. In Ireland, where government spending was slashed to appease financial markets, unemployment is now 14% and interest rates on Irish bonds are higher than Italy's -- about 8%.

If you want to lay a foundation for long-term economic growth in Europe or America, the last thing you would do is reduce the income going to ordinary citizens -- even over the long run. That's not the problem -- just the opposite. The concentration of economic wealth in the top 1% prevents everyday consumers from having the money to buy the goods and services that an increasingly productive economy produce. We do not need ordinary people to "share in the sacrifice." We need policies that will increase the share of income going to ordinary people to reduce the exploding inequality between the 99% and the 1%.

And it is critical to remember that in the end, economics is not about interest rates, or even prices or trade flows. These are just means to an end.

Economics is ultimately about two things:

  • The production of goods and services by living, breathing human beings.
  • The distribution of those goods and services among the population.


The United States has a talented, willing workforce with abundant natural resources. Our problem is not our inability to produce a bigger economic pie. It is that the system that organizes the workforce - and deploys those resources -- has broken down. As a result, one out of ten Americans who wants to work can't find an organization that will deploy their talent and time to produce goods and services.

That system has not broken down because we spend too much on government. It has broken down because there is not enough economic demand to incentivize private employers to hire workers. Business doesn't need more "confidence," it needs more customers.

To get the economies of the U.S. and Europe moving again, government needs to step in to provide that demand -- to jumpstart economic activity. We do not need an "austerity proposal" from the Super Committee. We do need to pass the American Jobs Act.

We know this is true from everything in economic history. And we can't afford to be confused by ideologues from the right who demand that we "cut government spending" so we won't be "like" Greece or Italy.

Robert Creamer is a long-time political organizer and strategist, and author of the book: Stand Up Straight: How Progressives Can Win, available on Amazon.com. He is a partner in Democracy Partners and a Senior Strategist for Americans United for Change. Follow him on Twitter @rbcreamer.


 
 
 

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In the run-up to the Super Committee deadline, the news is filled with headlines about the potential default of Greece and Italy on their government debts. Some might think that these de...
In the run-up to the Super Committee deadline, the news is filled with headlines about the potential default of Greece and Italy on their government debts. Some might think that these de...
 
 
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11:35 PM on 11/19/2011
Total Government Net Lending/ Borrowing as GDP % in 2010

-32.204 % Ireland
-10.586 % United States
-10.441 % United Kingdom
-9.57 % Greece
-9.5 % Japan
-7.303 % Portugal
-4.598 % Italy
-3.267 % Germany
-2.576 % China
2.375 % Korea
7.692 % Saudi Arabia


http://www.economywatch.com/economic-statistics/economic-indicators/Total_General_Government_Net_Lending_Borrowing_Percentage_GDP/

The fix is presented here:
http://www.offthechartsblog.org/why-doing-nothing-would-reduce-deficits-by-7-1-trillion/
11:32 PM on 11/19/2011
Total Government Net Lending/ Borrowing as GDP % in 2010

-32.204 % Ireland
-10.586 % United States
02:12 PM on 11/17/2011
Mr Creamer could have said in a couple of sentences what he said in his hundred plus sentences. We don't have a problem cause we can print more money. Wow!!! I'm no economist but I do have a bit of common sense. Something Creamer obviously DOESN'T have. Seekthetruthplease said it better than I can in a few sentences as well. Printing money will slow this down for a while but at what expense? The crash of the dollar and YOUR life savings. Has Mr. Creamer ever had a real job in the real world...And actually produced anything besides his "theories"? Like our Marxist(so sorry...:progressive") president and all his advisers, he's either incompetent, or a liar, and either will destroy this once proud country. And by the way, demonizing "austerity hawks" shows your true ignorance Mr. Creamer. Anyone with ANY sense would choose the argument to not spend money you don't have rather than PRINTING MORE MONEY!!! Margaret Thatcher said it best...The problem with socialism is sooner or later you run out of other people's money...
12:44 PM on 11/17/2011
Every working Greek "owes" $250,000 in government debt.
Every working American "owes" $90,000 in government debt.

How are those situations NOT different?

Greece has run up most of its debt in the last 12 years.
The USA is running up debt at a high (40% of every dollar spent by the government) and accelerating rate (see: the desire for government to spend more to "help" our debt problem).

How are those situations NOT different?
08:14 PM on 11/16/2011
WOW - I have never read an article more discerning then this one. Interest rates reflect credit risk and inflation - the credit agencies have been very clear - continue to spend and they will downgrade further the US credit rating indicating our risk is growing. Second, continue to print money "monetize the debt" and you will have massive inflation which is the second component in interest rates - remember the Carter years? Want to understand economics - think your household - if you pay your child an allowance does that improve the net worth or finances of the family? NO but if instead of paying an allowance to Johnny - dad takes the money and invests in expanding his business and creating more profits the family finances grow. You cannot grow the US economy by taking from producers and giving it to unemployed individuals. For example, what have most of our upper middle class friends done as their state income taxes have gone up - cut the maid, cut the painter, mowed their own lawns.... which creates more needing unemployment and food stamps, so we raise taxes again and these people cut further - don't buy the next car, don't hire a new employee.... and we are quickly in a downward cycle! There is no way moving money from productive uses to government make jobs (i.e. paying allowances) or welfare/unemployment payments will ever grow the economy - its just impossible!!!!
04:35 PM on 11/16/2011
The bottom line is that interest rates reflect the expectation of the ability of the borrower to pay, ie the risk of not getting paid.

If the US continues to spend more than it makes, sooner or later the financial markets will view the risk of re-payment to be high and thus interest rates will go up. The worst case scenario would be to end up like Greece where it is gernall accepted they are unable to pay back what they owe and lenders will get only a portion of that borrowed.
04:04 PM on 11/16/2011
It's unions putting us on the path of Greece...........
01:18 PM on 11/16/2011
Not bad but you have a few major errors in your argument.
1) The fed (except for interest payments) doesn't increase the money supply, it merely exchanges one form of currency (bond) for another (dollar)
2) the money supply is increased by federal spending (treasury) and decreased through taxation
3) The fed doesn't "borrow" anything, again it just exchanges forms of currency and sops of excess reserves from banks to control the interest rate.
4) the above makes sense if you understand free-floating fiat currency. why in the world would a government need to borrow its own currency that it can create (fiat) whenever it wishes?
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08:22 AM on 11/16/2011
American business must look to the markets of India and China.
07:22 AM on 11/16/2011
Good column but why didn't you mention that like Greece and Italy, the U.S. wealthy avoid paying taxes? Also, since financial services replaced manufacturing in the makeup of GDP, how much of a role does those phoney paper instruments of financial destruction, like credit default swaps, etc., in the GDP figure?
04:38 PM on 11/16/2011
That answer to your first question is that he didn't mention it because its not true. The top 1% earn 20% of the income and pay 35% of federal income taxes; the top 5% earn 35% of income and pay 59% of federal income taxes. The bottom 47% of income earners do not pay any federal income tax.
12:28 AM on 11/16/2011
This is completely insane. To believe that our current financial situation does not require serious action, is, in my view, living in Fantasyland: http://www.usdebtclock.org/. I don't care about comparisons to Greece or Italy. I don't care what Europe and Canada does...yes they have generous social spending programs but they also don't spend on defense the way we do because of the U.S. defense umbrella. Check the link to see what we're spending now in hundreds of billions on defense, then take a look at those entitlement programs. We must make a decision now to live within our means because it is key to being a stronger nation over the long term.
01:23 PM on 11/16/2011
you should check out some reading on free floating fiat currency and how the currency actually works. the usdebtclock is just a counter. it really doesn't mean anything (but its useful to scare people and thereby cut govt.)
03:37 PM on 11/16/2011
Thanks. I found this interesting link: http://kwaves.com/fiat.htm

I quote: "In a fiat money system, money is not backed by a physical commodity (i.e.: gold). Instead, the only thing that gives the money value is its relative scarcity and the faith placed in it by the people that use it. A good primer on the history of fiat money in the US can be found in a video provided by the Mises.org website.

In a fiat monetary system, there is no restrain on the amount of money that can be created. This allows unlimited credit creation. Initially, a rapid growth in the availability of credit is often mistaken for economic growth, as spending and business profits grow and frequently there is a rapid growth in equity prices. In the long run, however, the economy tends to suffer much more by the following contraction than it gained from the expansion in credit. This expansion in credit can be seen in the Debt/GDP ratio. We track the bubbles created by this expansion of debt at the inflation / deflation page.

In most cases, a fiat monetary system comes into existence as a result of excessive public debt. When the government is unable to repay all its debt in gold or silver, the temptation to remove physical backing rather than to default becomes irresistible. This was the case in 18th century France during the Law scheme, as well as in the 70s in the US, when Nixon removed the last link between the dollar
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11:46 PM on 11/15/2011
The US remains one of the most efficient economies in the world in large part because government invested in infrastructure during the late 19th and most of the 20th century. The railroads, roads, power grids, power plants, water systems, and other basic infrastructure that makes our economy efficient was built with direct and indirect government subsidies. Our choice today is either (a) invest in the next generation of infrastructure that will make us even more efficient (such as renewable energy with ZERO ongoing fuel costs), or (b) cut indiscriminately and become less efficient than the competition.

John Howley
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10:16 PM on 11/15/2011
"To see just how wrong, all you need do is look at the difference in what the U.S. government is paying to borrow money today"

Just because you can borrow money for cheap doesn't mean you should.

This is like saying that the bank will give me a $400,000 loan so I need to buy a $400,000 house.
12:58 AM on 11/16/2011
Nice editing job there.

Here is what Mr. Creamer said:

"The Republican Party claims that "our debt has put us on the same path as Greece." They would be wrong.

To see just how wrong, all you need do is look at the difference in what the U.S. government is paying to borrow money today -- and the rates being charged to Greece and Italy."

He is not saying let us keep borrowing without regard for how the money is spent, what he is saying is that the situation in the USA is entirely different form that in Greece and Italy, and that the argument that the debt level in the USA makes it somehow equal to what happend to those two countires is flawed, providing plenty of examples as to why that is not the case.
Bladernr1001
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03:30 PM on 11/16/2011
It means we just have not reached some crisis point as Greece....yet.
04:46 PM on 11/16/2011
We are on the PATH to Greece if we continue to borrow money to cover high budget deficits. What the interest rate is TODAY on US government bonds is irrelevant to us being on th PATH to Greece.
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10:03 PM on 11/15/2011
Rome's dominance, 1,000 years.
Brittania's dominance, 400 years
US dominance, 60 years.
China . . . .?
04:48 PM on 11/16/2011
You are presuming an end to US dominance now and that China has already taken over. That is pretty presumptuous. If your name signifies where you are from I understand your view -- always a chip on your shoulder with respect to your bigger, stronger, more successful brother.
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03:49 AM on 11/19/2011
Yeahhhhh. . . . no.
TRRoughRider
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10:03 PM on 11/15/2011
While I can agree the economies of Greece and Italy differ from the US, I do believe they have the same basic underlying problem that created this whole economic fisasco. The underlying problem for all countries is that their goverments have become brokers for large international banks and corporations and no longer govern in the interests of its citizens, all in the ruse of the so called Global Economy. Consequently, the banks and corporations have used the taxpayer's moneys to highly leverage their investments thereby tripling and quadtripling their short term profits while placing all the risk on the taxpayers. Now that the tide has gone out due to the Great Recession, each country is exposed for the enormous debt it incurred. The question remains now is who pays the debt..the taxpayers through severe austerity measures or the banks and the corporations. Unlike Greece and Italy, the US has the demographics to not feel the pain as much as Greece or Italy, but if it allows the banks and corporations to continue to control the goverment and maintain business as usual it will drive the country into a depression.
Bladernr1001
Vote Libertarian
03:31 PM on 11/16/2011
You forgot the massive and unsustainable safety net/welfare programs that all these governements spend massive amounts on.
04:51 PM on 11/16/2011
You say, "The question remains now is who pays the debt..the taxpayers through severe austerity measures or the banks and the corporatio­ns." The banks and the corporations cannot pay, the money will come from their customers. If taxes or fees are raised on them, their price to consumers will have to rise to cover the added cost. Taxpayers will ultimately pay.
Bladernr1001
Vote Libertarian
07:12 PM on 11/16/2011
Ergo...this all is going to get back to a very basic question....what should the role of government really be and how much do the citizens want to pay for it.