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What "Cutting the Debt" Is Really About

Posted: 06/15/11 10:24 AM ET

There are several ways to know that Republicans do not actually care about the national debt, most particularly not reducing it.

One is to understand that Republicans didn't complain when the previous president, George W. Bush, doubled the national debt to $11 trillion. You'd think that a party supposedly outraged by debt would have been bellowing outrage, wouldn't you? Not one peep.

A second way is to know that in the last 70 years, there have been six full administrations when the national debt increased -- and every single one was Republican.

A third way is to remember that it was Ronald Reagan's Chief of Staff who infamously said, "Budget deficits don't matter." (Deficits and debts of course are kissing cousins.) How outraged were Republicans? They chose that man, Dick Cheney, to be vice president.

But all of these -- clear as they are -- pale when compared to a gaping fourth reason.

We'll get to that in a moment. But first, you must remember what Republicans are crying for when they say that The Most Important Thing is reducing the national debt. When they say they will risk worldwide financial collapse by not raising the credit limit unless the national debt is reduced.

To reduce the national debt, Republicans say that "Everything is On the Table." Everything. Absolutely everything. The most sacred, cherished programs to Americans -- Social Security, Medicare -- they are on the table. Not only on the table, but they're the centerpiece surrounded by doilies and a candelabra. Cutting government pensions for teachers, nurses, janitors, bus drivers, park rangers, that's on the table. too. Remember, Everything is On the Table. Funding for NPR, Public Broadcasting, Planned Parenthood, social issues that touch all Americans, cutting them is on the table. Because Everything -- Everything is On the Table.

"Everything is on the table," Sen. Rand Paul (R-KY) told ABC's This Week last November.

To cut the national debt, Republicans insist that Everything... truly Everything... is On the Table.

"We have to live within our means," Sen. Tom Coburn (R-OK) said on Fox News last December. "It means all of us will sacrifice."

Sacrifice. All of us. Every American. We ALL have to sacrifice. And that's why Everything is On the Table.

Everything.

Absolutely everything.

Except raising taxes for the wealthy.

"Nothing is off the table, except raising taxes," John Boehner (R-OH) told reporters on May 6.

Tax hikes are "off the table," he repeated on the Today show, May 10. "Everything else is on the table." Mind you, only the day before Speaker Boehner swaggered on Fox that "Everything is on the table and everything should be on the table."

Apparently, the word "everything" comes with a qualifier to Republican leaders.

Just four days later, the GOP chose Rep. Martha Roby (R-AL) to speak for the party and give their weekly address. "Everything should be on the table," she explained. "Everything, that is, except tax increases."

To be clear, I'm not suggesting that Congress should raise taxes on the wealthy. Or shouldn't.

What I am saying is that when you declare "Everything is on the table" and "All of us must sacrifice" -- and the only thing you take off the table is raising taxes on the wealthy, then the only sacrifice you are actually asking for is from those who can least afford it. Cutting Medicare, Social Security, pensions, compensation benefits, and unemployment insurance only impact the middle and lower classes. The lone sacrifice you can ask of the wealthy, of corporations, of Wall Street investment houses and big banks is to have their taxes raised -- and Republicans took that off the table.

If you insist therefore that We All Must Sacrifice and that Everything is On the Table -- and the sole thing you won't do is raise taxes on the wealthy, then your lie is exposed.

It doesn't matter your "reason" why taxes shouldn't be raised. All things being cut have reasons why they shouldn't be. But "everything" means "everything." And "we all must sacrifice" means "all."

When you insist that "Nothing is off the table, except raising taxes," your goal can't be cutting the debt - since raising taxes would obviously cut the debt. What's clear is that you are protecting financial institutions. All at the expense of Middle America and the poor.

But ultimately, it's more than that, because something else is driving the conservative Republican bus.

And what conservatives most care about, and have cared about for decades, is not cutting the debt but getting rid of programs they hate. Making an issue of "cutting the debt" -- something we repeatedly see they have never cared about, nor do now -- is, rather, a way to get Social Security, Medicare, and social programs cut, unemployment insurance, welfare, food stamps, low-income public housing assistance, NPR, PBS and more. That's what conservatives want cut. Not the debt. Republicans have never cared about the debt. And if you listen to what John Boehner and his fellow Republicans say, you hear them tell you.

And if they're not clear enough for you, then let Rep. Mick Mulvaney (R-SC) be blunt.

"We want to see real structural, cultural-type changes," he told The New York Times in April. "Game-changing kinds of changes."

That's what this is all about. Cultural changes. And he just told you.

If you think the calls for program cuts are about anything else to conservatives, you're wrong. Because they not only just told you -- they keep telling you. Over and over.

 
 
 
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Indaba
It's better to try than to hope.
02:31 AM on 06/25/2011
Is there a link to a website to see what the cuts and debts are exactly? Is this seen as too much to show other countries? Seems to me there is lots of rhetoric but not much substance about cuts and increases. One thing is clear, the debt is 90% of GDP and where is that being discussed?
04:12 PM on 06/17/2011
What is it about greed and power that compels people who already have far more than they deserve, most of which they never earned, or was earned dishonestly, to not only believe, but unrelentingly demand that they should have, and control, and own, even more, ever more, until they have it all? What is it with such megalomania, and can the human race continue to tolerate it, let alone condone and emulate this mindset? The fact that there are any Republicans at all suggests this is a widely held if not reverentially supported point of view. Unfortunately, it is not compatible with justice, democracy, or human rights in any way.
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olerealist
retired trial attorney; former member of VA abd Wa
03:45 PM on 06/16/2011
Republicans declare hand on the bible that there are 3 issues in deficit reduction:
1. Sacrifice; 2. sacrifice ; 3. sacrifice
EXCEPT FOR BILLIONAIRES AND MILLIONAIRES.
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11:41 AM on 06/16/2011
Is it just me? I've heard this so many years, I'm getting bored of the topic.
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11:39 AM on 06/16/2011
"All of us" must sacrifice... doesn't include the "wealthy 2%" they are "privileged" class who gets to enjoy the whole cake while the rest of us are supposed to DEPEND on their crumbs to "trickle down"

It's the republican way.
gconners
A Hard Rain's A-Gonna Fall
05:01 PM on 06/15/2011
One more time:
A budget consists of TWO parts: spending and revenue.
No one in their right mind would/could think that taking HALF of the equation "off the table", would/could possibly EVER result in a balanced budget. It is a fantasy. It is a waste of time. And, we seem to be running out of time. Any "adults" left in Washington? Time to step up!
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outsidethemainstream
05:39 PM on 06/15/2011
you said "no one in their right mind" that excludes republicans
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lrobb
Southern Rational
05:00 PM on 06/15/2011
If you want to eliminate the deficit and start paying down the debt, re-elect President Obama. Then insure there is a close majority of Republicans in both House and Senate. I am a moderate conservative who can read statistics.

The following available on the net: Yearly deficit from 1946 to 2010, inflation adjusted value of the dollar, House and Senate majorities, and who was President. You can also find out when we had recessions, wars and when we enacted major social legislation like Medicare. This, and a good spreadsheet program are all you need to come to the conclusion above.

House = D, Senate = D, President = D, Average yearly deficit $331.806 billion over 21 years
House = R, Senate = R, President = R, Average yearly deficit $168.109 biliiion over 5 years
House and Senate split D & R, President = R, Avg. yrl. deficit $673.575 billion over 9 years
House = D, Senate = D, President = R, Average yearly deficit $531.118 billion over 22 years

House = R, Senate = R, President = D, Average yearly SURPLUS $59.804 billion over 8 years

The President can propose a budget but he can't pass one. Every legislator in Washington gets their fingers in this particular pie. We need to give each party at least some of what they want to insure stability among the voters, and the only way to do that is with a divided government.
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rhd21
04:07 PM on 06/15/2011
All of Elisberg's points have been so clearly made over the past months that I'm surprised, but pleased, that they are reiterated here. Of course it's about cultural change. I recognized this essential inter-party conflict, this "culture war", when I was a kid growing up in the 60's. Not much has changed other than that right now the GOP/TP think they have effective weapons in debt and deficit issues to forment the real change that they want --- eliminate the social safety net insurance programs and entitlement programs began in the 30's and have been added to ever since. I think they are wrong on so many levels it's hard to describe. But at this point I'm willing to state unequivocally that unless tax increases, tax expenditures, and defense spending are not on the table, nothing else is either.
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lrobb
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05:36 PM on 06/15/2011
No Republican is trying to eliminate the Social Safety net. They are trying to insure the net will be with us for generations without us pulling a Greece in 25 years.
10:16 AM on 06/16/2011
Then the solution is simple: 1) Pay for what you use, and 2) control the cost of it (health care). That is not what's in the Ryan budget, rather it's a way to get the little people to transfer more money to the Big People.
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11:46 AM on 06/16/2011
Have I got a bridge to nowhere to sell to you! Republicans have been trying to eliminate the Social Safety nets ever since they were created.

SS is NOT the reason for our deficit. Eliminating SS will have no affect on our deficit.

Medicare is FIXABLE by cutting waste, fraud and mismanagement...better known as Government OVERSIGHT, which even Tom Colburn just admitted that Congress ought to be in JAIL for neglecting since OVERSIGHT IS Congress job.
gconners
A Hard Rain's A-Gonna Fall
06:06 PM on 06/15/2011
Sorry, "Irobb", got to disagree. Though few will come right out and say it, Rand Paul and Paul Ryan are a couple exceptions, Republicans DO want to eliminate the Social Safety net. They were never FOR it to begin with. Republicans were, for the most part as a party, AGAINST creating Social Security. And AGAINST Medicare. And they still are. Maybe even more so than in the past.
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shershomenow
10:27 AM on 06/16/2011
They don't want to eliminate it, they want to privatize it. Turn it into a profitable game for their hedge fund buddies... It will bubble then pop, just like the mortgage bubble they created. But they don't care because they escaped with billions leaving us with the clean up from their tsunami.
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MikeDu
Both salubrious and lugubrious concurrently.
04:02 PM on 06/15/2011
'Deficit reduction' was never about deficit reduction. The original right wing plan, hatched all the way back during the Reagan admin, was to eventually leverage the national debt crisis (which they manufactured) into giving them the power to kill those much-hated social programs that they otherwise couldn't touch. The sceme is to sneak in through the back door and strangle the programs in the dead of night. "No, we didn't kill W.I.C., it died of natural causes."
12:33 AM on 06/16/2011
I wonder if the birdbrain Repug politicians were that smart.

I mean, I doubt the Repugs could plan something like that.
Oh, I agree they want to kill social programs.....and they are "evil" enough to destroy the lower classes who to them are worthless.

However, I think you are giving the Repugs too much credit.

What do I think?
They take advantage when things go bad.
And now they have the perfect opportunity to gut the social programs and they are really trying.

The Repugs aren't brainy enough to do what some of you think they did....but they ARE smart enough to watch for good opportunities!!!
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11:47 AM on 06/16/2011
Exactly!
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yukonsam
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03:49 PM on 06/15/2011
Neoconservative thinkers lionize the Gilded Age, a period of American history that featured rapid industrial expansion, few health or safety regulations, no social safety net apart from the church, workers who were for all intents and purposes indentured servants, and a small circle of elites that controlled wealth and power with an iron fist.

That the temples of the Gilded Age were built on a foundation of life-long human misery and suffering seems to be beyond their ken... or at least their caring.

The masses that embrace that siren call envision themselves within the temples. I don't think they understand the frightfully small capacity of those august shrines to the glory of the Profit.
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outsidethemainstream
05:41 PM on 06/15/2011
well said. F&F. now to get the majority of folks in the US to realize that voting republican is against their best interests....
12:42 AM on 06/16/2011
There is a HUGE problem, though.
****For the conservatives, oligarchs, and Repug politicians....

America (and the world) before the Wall Street crash in 1929 was a DIFFERENT world than today.

Today we are better educated AND better informed.

We are more likely to have social and political unrest because we would realize what happened.
Oh, maybe not right away, but sooner or later.
When ordinary Americans as a group realize that the rich took it all and turned us into wage slaves, the sh--t will hit the fan.

Think it won't happen?

Look at Greece.
The riots there have gotten ugly.

Look at the Middle East.
What do you think is the main reason for the Arab spring?

It would have taken much more abuse and poverty to get those people going 100 years ago.

Now?
They are inflamed by knowledge and the media.
03:28 PM on 06/15/2011
The tax cuts were supposed to grow businesses and create jobs. But these tax cut handouts just take away any incentive to grow businesses and create jobs. It makes it easier to just sit around and have fun gambling on Wall Street. The wealthy need to be pressured into working again.
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lrobb
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05:07 PM on 06/15/2011
Most of the wealthy actually do work. You may disagree the work they do has value--banking, investment and brokerage--but they most certainly show up for work significantly more than 40 hours per week.
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ksjprod
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05:58 PM on 06/15/2011
Most EVERYBODY works more than 40 hrs per week. Especially those who are salary and don't get paid OT.
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SocratesSiddhartha
"Poverty is the worst form of violence." Gandhi
09:41 PM on 06/15/2011
Stats or a link for this?
Or just more generalizations that have no basis in reality.
gconners
A Hard Rain's A-Gonna Fall
05:20 PM on 06/15/2011
"...banking, investment and brokerage..."
None of which seem to have anything to do with creating jobs.
They might well work long hours but they are basically passing money around and, at times, costing jobs: Witness the not long ago mortgage crisis and, still, housing bubble; and, right now, the cost of oil and gas that has nothing to do with "supply and demand" and everything to do with speculation.
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Awake-and-Sing
named after a great play written by Clifford Odets
03:28 PM on 06/15/2011
The amorality of conservatism is just mindboggling.

After George W. Bush and Dick Cheney and the neocons misled the nation into war under false pretenses, they charged the whole thing on a credit card. Unbelievably, instead of asking for shared wartime sacrifice a la World War 2, they actually gave the wealthy TWO immoral wartime tax cuts and told them to "go shopping" while working class soliders and countless civilians end up as casualties so that Republicans driving SUVs can have cheaper oil.

That, more than anything else, epitomizes the amorality of the modern conservative movement and what they intend to do to America.
08:39 PM on 06/15/2011
so they can have their big SUVs and (WTF is that all about----incandescent light bulbs)
10:25 AM on 06/16/2011
Freedom!

I think most of them got picked on in Kindergarten. Now they'll show us!
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11:49 AM on 06/16/2011
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Jen Celli
Done sitting and watching quietly.
02:41 PM on 06/15/2011
Everything they want to cut is on the table. Nothing else is of any real consequence. How is it that these people keep getting elected year after year when the curtain has been drawn back so far? They make no sense yet they manage to control the message. No wonder so many people are so disillusioned.
05:25 PM on 06/16/2011
If I hiredf a welder and after six years he still didn't know how to weld would I keep on paying him? Many of our congress people fit this analogy i.e. Cantor not knowing the workings of the house and Bachmann thinking it is a religious service and all of them trying to be moral guides instead of doing the work they were sent to do should we be suprised, should we keep paying them? Let us remember in 2012.
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Jen Celli
Done sitting and watching quietly.
10:51 AM on 06/17/2011
Truly a great analogy. I'd take it one step further. Would you fire that welder and let him go with a lifelong pension and medical benefits - the golden parachute - as a reward for is poor performance? Not likely. So how is it we can vote these people from office and still sponsor their lifestyle when they pick up speaking gigs and other methods of income generation on top of those pensions? When do Americans decide that you serve and then you go home and make money on your own like the rest of us?
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new beginning
Practice random acts of kindness-change the world
02:26 PM on 06/15/2011
Sorry but no cigar. Republican outrage at the irresponsible spending of Bush/Pelosi - was what put Obama over the top in '08. Who would have thought that he could be WORSE than Bush?
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Michael J OConnell
Enduring curiosty and quest for rationality
04:57 PM on 06/15/2011
He sn't worse than Bush. Bush set in motion two all out wars that are costing America Trillions over the long run. Bush's tax cuts are costing the treasury trillions. Bush's plan to bail out the banks, largely executed by Obama is costing trillions. I disagree with Obama in adding troops to Afghanistan and in extending the Bush tax breaks (at the behest of the Republicans), but he is certainly no where close to the causing the immediate and long term damage to America's financial security.
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Robert Cantor
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01:54 PM on 06/15/2011
National Repubs see the United States as a semi-feudal state, with the aristocracy (which they serve and are a part of) at the top and the rest of us below. Orwell's 2-13-85.
08:42 PM on 06/15/2011
This feudalism concept needs to be hammered incessantly. It's where we are headed if we aren't careful. Pawlenty is pushing it hardest--he wants to eliminate taxes on capital gains, dividends, and large inheritances. That plan would produce a permanent idle rich class paying minimal taxes.
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Robert Cantor
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09:08 PM on 06/15/2011
Like the European Aristocracy during the age of Empire ~ they own the land, the serfs work the land, like biped cattle.
The Conservative mind sees the world this way, owners and owned. They are driven to be owners because they dont want to be owned.