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The Great Deflation

Posted: 11/06/11 10:07 PM ET

I never liked the term "The Great Recession," because this is not an ordinary recession, not even a great one. It is a period of protracted deflation, where weak demand, declining incomes, and falling asset prices keep dragging the economy downward into a self-deepening sinkhole.

With the latest unemployment numbers, the evidence keeps accumulating that this will be a prolonged economic stagnation. The unemployment rate -- stuck around 9 percent -- is not as bad as that of the Great Depression, but in some respects the prognosis is equally grim.

We are already entering year four of the crisis, with a strong recovery nowhere in sight. Household income has declined by 10 percent since the recession began in 2007. GDP growth improved slightly, to 2.5 percent, in the third quarter, but only because households began borrowing more, and that can't continue for very long. Consumer income was actually down 1.7 percent.

If you compare our progress with the comparable period in the Great Depression, things actually looked more promising in the mid 1930s. By late 1933, on the fourth anniversary of the stock market crash, strong economic growth had resumed. The economy expanded by 11 percent in 1934, 9 percent in 1935, and 14 percent in 1936.

By contrast, optimists today hope the economy will somehow reach 3-percent growth. The Federal Reserve, once again, has just revised its growth forecasts downward to well under 3 percent, and expects unemployment still to be in excess of 8 percent in 2013.

By the end of year four of the Great Depression, the banking crisis was over. The 1933 Glass-Steagall Act, deposit insurance, and the Reconstruction Finance Corporation stabilized the financial system. Bank failures ceased -- while in the current crisis our banks are still a mess.

The Roosevelt administration dealt forthrightly with the housing crisis of that era, creating a Home Owners Loan Corporation that made direct loans to one homeowner in five, to keep people from losing their homes. In the current crisis, some 10 million homeowners are still on track to default, and the Obama administration keeps producing half-measures too feeble to solve the problem.

Four years into the Roosevelt administration, unemployment was still high, but Roosevelt was re-elected by a landslide in 1936 because things were improving and people felt he was on their side. It's anybody's guess who will win the White House in 2012.

A lot of pundits seem to think that the current crisis has no solution, and that we just have to get used to a prolonged period of slow growth, high unemployment, and general belt tightening. This is nonsense, but the remedies that might actually solve the crisis are mostly outside mainstream debate.

A real recovery program would be one part massive public investment -- partly financed by higher taxes on the wealthy, partly by deficits -- and one part a complete reconstruction of the financial system so that it returns to its role of servant of the real economy rather than master.

Neither party is proposing this, and proponents of a new political center are mainly promoting austerity.

The Republicans would drastically cut taxes, shrink public spending, and repeal regulations. All this, presumably, would liberate businesses to create more jobs.

However, taxes were cut several times under President Bush, but that didn't prevent the recession. Government revenues are already at their lowest share of the economy since the 1950s.

The financial collapse was caused mainly by the repeal of regulations that had contained the speculative tendencies of bankers. It's hard to see how more deregulation would promote entrepreneurship in an economy when consumers lack money to buy products.

Centrist groups like Third Way and No Labels decry the extreme partisanship and call for a new consensus to deal with the crisis. These and similar groups begin with a plea for budget discipline.

But austerity would not solve the economic crisis either. With unemployment high, consumer demand depressed, and businesses understandably hesitant to invest, more belt-tightening will only worsen conditions.

The Obama administration, for its part, has tried a blend of modest economic stimulus and a long-term path to budget balance. Obama's latest jobs program proposed a total of $447 billion over 10 years -- better than nothing but far from enough to produce a sustained recovery. Even if by some miracle Republicans were to relent, the stimulus is insufficient.

Obama's original Recovery Act, enacted back in February 2009 when the Democrats controlled both Houses of Congress, spent $775 billion over three years. But during the same three years, state and local governments cut about $460 billion. So the net government stimulus was barely $100 billion a year in a more than $14-trillion economy. Obama's own top advisers considered the sum inadequate.

In the Great Depression, it was the massive spending of World War II that finally cut unemployment to less than 2 percent and then powered the postwar recovery. The wartime deficits were astronomical -- nearly 30 percent of GDP in the last year of the war. But after the war, high growth paid down the debt, which was nearly twice the level of the current debt relative to GDP.

Nobody in mainstream American politics is proposing public outlays anywhere near this scale. So the likelihood is for continued economic deflation -- and deepening voter frustration.

Absent a more radical recovery program than anything on offer in mainstream politics, the chief executive elected in 2012, whether Obama or his Republican opponent, is likely to be the next Herbert Hoover, presiding over a prolonged economic slump with popularity to match.

Ours is a very resilient political system. But before America emerges from this combined economic and political crisis, it will take some new combination of mass reform movements at the grassroots and more effective leadership at the top than we've seen in a very long time.

Robert Kuttner is co-editor of The American Prospect and a senior fellow at Demos. His latest book is A Presidency in Peril.

 
 
 
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tweed7t
wear sunscreen and dance
10:40 AM on 11/08/2011
how is unemployment determined? i use to think, like a lot of posters here, it was those collecting or have applied for UI, but that is not true.

http://www.bellaonline.com/articles/art39058.asp
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JBS
Part time misanthrope & full time curmudgeon
10:02 AM on 11/08/2011
I realize Mr. Kuttner is speaking about averages, but I would be quite happy to have seen only a 10% decline in my household income since 2007.
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JBS
Part time misanthrope & full time curmudgeon
09:48 AM on 11/08/2011
If you want "austerity", why not just go back to the budget & tax policies of the last year of the Clinton Administration when we had begun to run surpluses & made a start on paying down the debt?

Obama should have let the Bush tax cuts expire.

The major difference between Roosevelt and Obama is Roosevelt bailed out the PEOPLE who were suffering the predation of the bankers, and Obama bailed out the bankers who are preying on the PEOPLE.
09:18 AM on 11/08/2011
It's a shame that the "Number Crunchers" have taken to using an old Pols "trick". The numbers on unemployment have NOT gone down. But in a re-election year especially, the Pols don't figure in those whose benefits have run out. This would hurt them at the polls. The actual number of unemployed people, still seeking work, is a heck of a lot higher. Their "guesstimates" come from applications for benefits and active claims.
09:17 AM on 11/08/2011
Two points of disagreement:

1. We are not in a deflationary period. By definition, in a deflationary period, prices decline faster than wages. It is the mirror of inflation, in which prices rise faster than wages. We are not in a deflationary period by any stretch. We are in a strongly INFLATIONARY period, during which costs are rising in absolute terms while wages are declining in absolute terms.

2. Your analysis of the Post WWII period is the same tired leftist gloss that has grown so stale this century. Get it right. WWII was a boom for one, and only one reason: WWII left every industrialized nation on the planet, excepting us, in smoking ruins. If the left wants a Post WWII style boom, they must accept the necessities of that desire. In other words, we will have to invade and destroy the industrial capacities of the BRIC nations. And, it would probably require another smiting of Germany. This, of course, is preposterous. The left should quit dangling the 1950's in front of the American proletariat. It's cruel and fails to serve even your purposes.
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Ashok Hegde
09:13 AM on 11/08/2011
We can debate about unemployment rates, but the unemployment rate for college graduates is under 5%.

The conclusion is that the US market still rewards skills. What it is not so interested in is high cost, low skilled labor. It is no longer 1960...Capital has choices in terms of locations of production.

Why would any firm want unskilled or semi skilled labor for $50,000/year, plus benefits? Does that make any sense at all?

US labor is overpriced, and it is causing a shift in production. Hence, no real recovery for the remedially educated in the US.

At a micro level, if 'you' want to address this for your personal gain - acquire an education (state schools are still affordable), or invest overseas (if you have the $), and you can develop financial security.

At the macro level - the US is slightly screwed. There will be a continuous reduction in living standards for the next 20 years, at least.

High cost, low skilled labor is not an attractive option for Capital. And there's little the government can do about that.
02:56 AM on 11/08/2011
Concur with the author..... except deflation exponentialized....

What is coming in the next 17 trading days and concluding a perfect Lammert 21//52//(11/28/22/17) week fractal and 1982 34/85 quarter ::x/2.5x composite equity fractal is an unimaginable collapse of equity and commodity prices as the globe undergoes a connected sovereign debt default crises.

US long term interest rates will fall to historically 150 year low levels.

The macroeconomic debt-money-asset system is bounded. The system's asset valuation patterns operates in a quantitative patterned fashion that confer on the system the properties of a science.

30 years of bad debt leveraged accumulation will nonlinearly unravel. Derivative bets will exponentialize the nonlinearity.

Expect the unexpected.
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CroatianCritter
is keeping people honest
01:44 AM on 11/08/2011
I have a couple of points of disagreement. First, the unemployment numbers of the present do not compare to the Great Depression. Our government reads the numbers differently where people who are unemployed and do not collect benefits are no longer counted. With these stats, the unemployment during the Depression would have been around 14-15% If we use the same formula that they used to come up with 25% unemployment during the Great Depression, our unemployment skyrockets up to 16-17%. Second, the economy improved post-war because WE TOOK PEOPLE OFF THE PUBLIC PAYROLLS. With no war being fought, people were able to produce things and push the country into a tremendous period of growth that did not end until the 1970s. It wasn't Roosevelt that ended the Depression, it was the end of World War II. Finally, the solution to our problems is deflation. Think about what just occurred with the real estate market. Fraud caused a speculative bubble to raise up prices. The Depression was deflationary because the government and banks were unable to save the economy. This action helped the recovery get back on track quicker. With real estate down to normal levels across the country, real estate prices are actually affordable to the middle class again. That is why the initial shock of deflation leads to large unemployment but quicker recovery. If we want to get this country on track, we need to let this decline happen.
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Timothy Ven
Actor, Videographer, Pain in the butt
12:57 AM on 11/08/2011
Sir, a point of contention.

"The unemployment rate -- stuck around 9 percent -- is not as bad as that of the Great Depression, but in some respects the prognosis is equally grim."

You are using a percentage that do not truly reflect the actual percentage of the unemployed. This percentage does not count those who have fallen off the unemployment rolls yet are still without a job. Nor do they reflect the numbers of those who did not qualify for unemployment for whatever reason and remain jobless. Taking those into consideration, you would find that the actual percentage would be closer to 20 to 25%. But even at 9% which you quote in your article, that is still nearly 30 million people.
The number of people on Foodstamps and other welfare has risen dramatically since 2007, which was the start of the banking debacle. This also points to a larger number of people jobless or working jobs that will not support a family. Minimum wage jobs that used to go to teenagers are being fought over by older people.
9% IS bad sir. It is VERY bad for those that are unemployed. Please do not make light of the situation as it is nothing to be dismissed as an inconvenience
11:47 PM on 11/07/2011
For 30 years we have been redistributing wealth upwards based on a baseless theory called supply side economics, also know as voodoo economics. For a short 8 year period we went back to a balanced approach and got quickly back in the black. No doubt this country could do that again with the same balanced approach. Supply side economics has been one of the greatest scams ever run on the American people. I'm only surprised it took so long to figure it out. It is so hard for some to admit they were and are wrong.
09:55 PM on 11/07/2011
the depression was on its way to healing prior to WW2, slowly yes. There is a strong agruement to reinstate glass seagull and reregulate bank and other finaancal insturions. The powers that be have been chipping away at the New deal regulation since reagan was in office. Look were it got got us.
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drbob601
Soylent Green is People
09:38 PM on 11/07/2011
"American consumers who have kept the world economy growing through their irresponsible credit binge are not going to spend again at "pre-crisis" levels for a long time, if ever. They simply cannot afford the game anymore. No one can, and no one should. For decades, le beau monde has peddled over the voices of reason -- and still does to this very day -- arguing that laissez-faire would bring heaven to earth. The result is here for all to see."

"Many will ask for more of the same in the name of sheer ignorance and emotional convictions based on an ideology they do not master, to the benefit of a class to which they do not belong -- not even considering the ecological bind that will bring us all to the realization that a paradigm change is not only required but needed if the survival of all species is a desired and chosen outcome. To return to business as usual will lead to collective suicide, which Mother Nature will trigger in the not so distant future."

http://www.swans.com/library/art16/ga287.html
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Jondrea Smith
untied dog in a dogmatic society
10:24 PM on 11/07/2011
Nature rewards well her stewards, and punishes mightily her burdens. We'd be well served to figure out which side humanity wants to be on. To be completely honest, I get sick of the naysayers who say that systemic poverty and inequity can never be removed, especially when there's been a trend of putting bullets in those who would dare to try.
Mochilero
Have backpack, will travel
09:31 PM on 11/07/2011
Economic growth and materialistic rapacity has brought the planet to its present state. Unrestrained growth is the philosophy of the cancer cell. We need a new paradigm.
08:48 PM on 11/07/2011
may i offer one "radical recovery plan"......radical meaning going to the root....the main root from which the tree of free market capitalism has grown and flourished is USURY, the loaning of money for interest....so...re-set all interest rates (credit cards, mortgages, etc) at the current US Fed rate of 0.25%......cap all future usury rates, by law, at 1%....this recovery plan will likely have to wait until there is a complete and chaotic collapse of the economy......or else WWIII from which no recovery will be possible this time.....
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JBS
Part time misanthrope & full time curmudgeon
09:59 AM on 11/08/2011
Wouldn't quite work. Banks loan money to make a profit. You have to take that into account. If there's no profit, there's no incentive for banks.

But that doesn't mean you have to let the banks run wild.

You could make a go of it by capping rates at 3% above whatever they pay for money from the Fed. Additionally, place a floor under interest paid on demand deposits at 2/3 the rate they charge for loans.

If the banks are getting money from the Fed at 0%, they couldn't charge more than 3% for loans, and they'd have to pay 2% for savings. There's plenty of profit there.

The biggest thing is to reinstate Glass–Steagall and prohibit banks from speculating with the customer's money.
11:11 AM on 11/08/2011
yeh!....a discussion......well...banks loan money to make a profit...but credit unions are non-profit...big banks are for wealthy people....credit unions are for the rest of us....if all current/existing interest rates were reset to 0.25% just consider how much cash flow would be injected into the economy....the banks will get back the principal they loaned out, but they would no longer be able to loan again for more than 1%.....and this crap about banks getting money from the Fed at 0.25% and buying Treasury bonds at 4% or whatever will certainly need to be eliminated....on with the discussion....thanks for your reply
08:00 PM on 11/07/2011
3rd Way and No Labels are not centrist, they just like to call themselves that. They are corporatist and anti-populist, and if you check their leadership, they are a wall-street driven movement.
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JBS
Part time misanthrope & full time curmudgeon
10:00 AM on 11/08/2011
Astro-turf, just like the Teabaggers.