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Game Changer: Biden Guarantees No Changes in Social Security

Posted: 08/16/2012 9:55 am

It's unclear what effect Romney's decision to add Rep. Paul Ryan to his ticket will have on his candidacy, if any. But the choice certainly has had a salutary effect on the Obama re-election campaign.

Naturally, it sparked a full-throated debate on the infamous Ryan and House Republican plan to turn Medicare into a voucher, and force the most vulnerable -- the elderly, the disabled, and seriously ill -- to pay thousands more for health care out of pocket. (The nonpartisan CBO put the estimate at about $6500 per person.) Democrats generally can only be delighted as Romney and Ryan and House members struggle to explain why they have to destroy Medicare to save it. ("It's a great reform, but don't worry it only applies to folks under 55 who might not be watching.")

Equally important, the debate has led the president and vice president to become vocal defenders of Medicare, Medicaid and Social Security -- the centerpieces of the social compact we make with one another, and the glittering crown jewels of the Great Society and the New Deal.

First, the president made it clear that his Medicare reforms -- unlike those passed by the Republican House and advocated by Romney/Ryan -- don't cut guaranteed benefits. Instead they take on the entrenched hospital, insurance company and doctors lobbies to exact savings. This focus -- initiated in Obamacare -- is vital if we are to fix our broken health care system which now threatens to bankrupt everyone -- families, companies, government at all levels.

Then Joe Biden announced yesterday that the ticket would guarantee no changes in Social Security. "I guarantee you, flat guarantee you, there will be no changes in Social Security," Biden told patrons of the Coffee Break Café in Stuart, Virginia, "I flat guarantee you."

This is good policy. Social Security is not in deficit, and has not contributed to our debt and deficits. Addressing its currently projected long-term shortfall (unlike any other government program, CBO reports it is fully funded through 2038) should not be folded into the deficit hysteria triggered when Wall Street excesses blew up the economy, lifting our debt from 40 to 70 percent of GDP. Any necessary reforms -- like lifting the cap on payroll taxes so that millionaires like Romney pay the same rate as their secretaries -- should be the product of a bipartisan commission focused on preserving Social Security, not paying for Wall Street's mess.

It is also good politics. With companies abandoning pensions, home values -- the leading source of middle-class savings -- devastated, and fewer families able to save adequately for retirement, more and more Americans will rely on Social Security's guaranteed benefits to provide a lifeline in retirement. The program enjoys popularity across the spectrum -- from both Republican and Democratic voters, from conservatives to moderates to liberals. Democrats are well advised to treat Social Security as a sacred trust.

In contrast, both Romney and Ryan supported the Bush plan to privatize Social Security, which would have added trillions to our deficits and would devastate retirees when the stock market tanks. It was so unpopular that Bush later regretted making it the priority of his second term.

Biden's pledge, of course, offends the conventional wisdom among Washington's chattering classes that favors a "grand bargain to get our books in order" in which "everything is on the table." What that translates into is that Democrats agree to cuts in Medicare and Social Security, in return for which Republicans agree to "tax reform" that lowers tax rates but raises more revenue by closing loopholes.

This is the formulation of Deficit Commission co-chairs Alan Simpson and Erskine Bowles that was rejected by their commission, including Paul Ryan, who led House Republicans members in opposition. It also defined the deal discussed by President Obama and Republican House Speaker John Boehner around the debt-ceiling debacle, the terms of which would also have been rejected by Ryan and his Tea Party colleagues in the House for envisioning increased tax revenues.

Biden's "guarantee" to defend Social Security now effectively takes Social Security off the table. Democrats gathering in Charlotte at the national convention should ensure that this language is written into the party's platform. The president would do well to reaffirm it in his speech to the convention as he lays out the fundamental choice we face.

It's hard to imagine what Romney was thinking when he selected Ryan as his running mate. Ryan is the intellectual leader of the House Republican Congress that has racked up a well-deserved record low 9 percent approval rating from the American people. As former Virginia congressman Tom Perriello said, "Mitt Romney is the only person in America who looked at the way this Congress is behaving and said, I want the brains behind that operation."

But Romney's choice has had good effects. It elevated the debate over Medicare and Social Security, and as Joe Biden declared, moved Democrats to stand once more as the defenders of these vital foundation blocks of our social compact. And for that, Romney has our deepest gratitude.

 

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It's unclear what effect Romney's decision to add Rep. Paul Ryan to his ticket will have on his candidacy, if any. But the choice certainly has had a salutary effect on the Obama re-election campaign...
It's unclear what effect Romney's decision to add Rep. Paul Ryan to his ticket will have on his candidacy, if any. But the choice certainly has had a salutary effect on the Obama re-election campaign...
 
 
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04:03 PM on 08/17/2012
Is Joe prepared to back that up with his checkbook? Seems kind of foolish to not even take a look at the program and how it works, since people are living a full 20 years longer on average compared to when social security started. "Don't worry about it" seems to be the Democrat 'plan' lately.
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08:22 PM on 08/17/2012
You have to be careful of the 'full 20 years longer' line. That is life expectancy at birth. What is much more important is life expectancy at retirement. In 1935, the life expectancy of a retiree was roughly 11 years. Today it is 18 or 19. Given that we retire later, you are looking at a 50% increase in the duration of retirees. That is nothing compared to the increase in the cost of the system.

If you want to extend retirement because we are living longer, I want to go back to the days of 2% on the first $3,000.
02:57 PM on 08/18/2012
oh, shut up
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shankapotomus
02:32 PM on 08/17/2012
LOL, another gaffe.
11:38 AM on 08/26/2012
The only gaffe I see is the voters continue to vote out of fear for the lesser of two evil fascist political parties every two years white expecting different results.

Don't waste your vote on either of them, instead vote straight third parties.
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LoneTree
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01:16 PM on 08/17/2012
"I guarantee you, flat guarantee you, there will be no changes in Social Security," Biden told patrons of the Coffee Break Café in Stuart, Virginia, "I flat guarantee you."

Not the Vice President, not the President, not the Congress, not the Supreme Court, not AARP, not Bernanke ... NOBODY ... has the power to make good on that guarantee. Saying that was just electioneering hot air (a Biden specialty), "buy your vote by giving you a false sense of security", blah, blah, blah.

Social Security and Medicare will continue as long as we can continue to borrow the money at low interest rates from China to finance our benefits. Then Social Security and Medicare will last a few years longer, as the Federal Reserve simply begins printing and dumping money (to pay benefits and the interest on the debt we owe to China). And by that time, Biden will no longer be in office, so (like Clinton) he'll be able to claim that everything was just fine when he left.

And once again, the joke will be on We The People. We got fooled by the DotCom bubble. We got fooled by the housing bubble. We're being fooled by the student loan bubble. And here we are, crowding our way to the front of the crowd for the opportunity to be fooled once again.

Shame on us.
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Joe Economist
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05:44 PM on 08/17/2012
There is a huge difference between bubbles though. Social Security serves an audience that does not adapt well to change. If the government doesn't bail-out the idiot bankers in 2008. Those people evolve and become something more productive. I have read stories about former oil traders going on to productive careers in a number of service industries. The elderly and disabled do not adapt well.
07:26 AM on 08/18/2012
"Social Security and Medicare will continue as long as we can continue to borrow the money at low interest rates from China to finance our benefits."

Social Security is paid for with FICA taxes paid by workers from their wages with an equal amount contributed by their employers, NOT borrowed money. Look it up.
11:41 AM on 08/26/2012
Right! It is the US Government who has been borrowing trillions of dollars from SS, which in reality is a huge cash cow, not a bankrupt institution like Congress or the White House.
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Marcospinelli
an old liberal Democrat, a 'New Deal'-Democrat
01:15 PM on 08/17/2012
Does Biden's guarantee include the continuing payroll tax holiday which will certainly drain the Social Security fund, ending Social Security sooner as opposed to later?
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skylark
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03:51 PM on 08/17/2012
The "payroll tax holiday" funds were made up by money from the general fund, at least that is what we were told.
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Marcospinelli
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06:27 PM on 08/17/2012
The payroll tax cut was supposed to be temporary, but its already been extended once.  As the fight over tax increases versus tax cuts of the past couple of decades should have shown you, short term tax cuts in Washington (that was what the Bush tax cuts were supposed to be in the first place, short term) have a way of sticking around longer than planned, especially as economic growth remains slow and law­makers are wary of raising anyone’s taxes. 

To continue payroll tax holidays by moving money into the trust fund from the general fund means Social Security will lose its status as a protected benefit owed to every working American and instead become politically vulnerable, just like any other government program.

Charles Blahouse, one of two public trustees for Social Security and a research fellow with the Hoover Institution said: “It’s a grave step for Social Security, and the program both financially and politically will be on a lot rockier footing.”

Robert Reischauer, the other public trustee and president of the Urban Institute, said "extending the payroll tax cut could, if it continues for a substantial period of time, undermine one of the foundational arguments that makes the Social Security program inviolate.”

Since Social Security began, it's been premised on a simple contract: Americans pay into the program’s trust fund over years of paychecks through the payroll tax. In return, when they retire, they receive monthly benefits.

The payroll tax cut changed that. Instead of being a protected program with its own stream of funding, Social Security, by taking money from general revenue, becomes more akin to other government initiatives such as Pentagon spending or clean-air regulation - programs that rely on income taxes and political jockeying for support.

Now, Social Security will have to compete with every other program, whereas before it had its own dedicated revenue.  It broke the firewall that had always existed between the trust fund and the operating fund.
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Marcospinelli
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06:33 PM on 08/17/2012
How the Payroll Tax Holiday is The End of Social Security

President Obama and the Republicans will say that the payroll tax holiday is all about stimulating the economy. But don’t be fooled. According to the Center for Budget and Policy Priorities,extending the Making Work Pay Tax Credit, is a much better, more targeted stimulus. See “Payroll Tax Holiday a Poor Stimulus Idea,” available at this link.

And the Making Work Pay Tax Credit poses no threat to Social Security. The innocent-sounding payroll tax holiday, on the other hand, will lead inexorably to killing Social Security. Let me explain:
Sixty members of the Senate are unwilling to raise taxes by 3 percent on the $250,000 and first dollar (and all those dollars earned above $250.001) of those making over $250,000 and by 1.6 percent more (for a total of 4.6 percent) on the $384,860 and first dollar {and all those dollars earned above $384,861) of those making over $384,860. They are even unwilling to spare everyone making less that one million dollars any increased taxes and simply raise taxes by 4.6 percent on the $1 million and first dollar (and all those dollars earned above $1,000,001 of the nation’s multimillionaires and billionaires. (I say multimillionaires because anyone with a net worth of a few million dollars is not making an annual income of over one million dollars.)

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05:45 PM on 08/17/2012
The general taxpayer is backfilling the payroll tax holiday. This policy is only a tax cut if you are a worker who doesn't pay income taxes. Otherwise what you save in payroll taxes you lose in future income taxes.
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10:40 AM on 08/17/2012
Politicians will say ANYTHING to get re-elected. Are people so naive?
10:34 AM on 08/17/2012
I think the Obama campaigns need to hand out Ryan/Romney Medicare vouchers at every campaign event. At the bottom of each it should say call your health insurance provider at 1-800-no-value. Notice I said Ryan/romney plan because Ryan is really at the top of the ticket.
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12:41 PM on 08/17/2012
I had written Ryan off as a VP pick because he so clearly outshines Robme. Wonder if Mittens has even caught on yet? I bet Ann even likes Ryan better.
09:45 AM on 08/17/2012
No change in Social Security means a 22% cut in benefits in 20 years.
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12:18 PM on 08/17/2012
Mitt means the end of Social Security and Medicarde. Vote Obama/Biden 2012!
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12:42 PM on 08/17/2012
Well the Lord has spoken!!!
02:41 PM on 08/17/2012
No; just the Social Security Trustees.
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pshakkottai
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09:37 AM on 08/17/2012
Borosage says " Social Security is not in deficit, and has not contributed to our debt and deficits. "

Govt debts and deficits are good! They mean the same as private sector wealth and savings respectively.

Social security is owned by the people and not the govt. Here debts and deficits have the normal meaning. It is not actually required and the govt can deficit fund as it does all other govt agencies.

Borosage is mixing pluses and minuses. This is an example of nonsense economics.
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LoneTree
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01:18 PM on 08/17/2012
So we just borrow our way to prosperity? Great idea! You first!
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pshakkottai
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06:21 PM on 08/17/2012
"The simultaneous mark down of your checking account and markup of your T-bill account creates no new dollars. “Lending” to the federal government does not create dollars. And when the government pays down its “debt,” no dollars are destroyed. The whole process is an equal exchange.

[Banks create dollars by lending, and dollars are destroyed when these loans are paid down. The federal government does not create or destroy dollars by borrowing. It creates dollars by spending and it destroys dollars by taxing.]

In summary, the words “debt,” “owe,” “borrow,” and “lend,” when describing personal (monetarily non-sovereign) finances, involve the creation and destruction of money. Those identical words, when describing federal finances, involve nothing more than an equal exchange. No money is created or destroyed." from

http://rodgermmitchell.wordpress.com/2011/12/24/why-federal-debt-is-not-debt-and-federal-borrowing-is-not-borrowing/

This is the same reason for saying that national debts NEED NOT and CAN NOT be paid back. The concept is nonsensical.
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08:55 PM on 08/17/2012
"Govt debts and deficits are good!"

Do you live in Greece by any chance?
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pshakkottai
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11:41 PM on 08/17/2012
Greece is NOT monetarily sovereign but USA is. See
http://rodgermmitchell.wordpress.com/2012/08/14/mathematical-proof-that-deficits-should-be-increased-send-it-to-your-favorite-debt-hawk/
and
To understand economics, you must understand Monetary Sovereignty. Most economists and politicians don’t. Monday, Sep 7 2009 at
http://rodgermmitchell.wordpress.com/2009/09/07/introduction/
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09:33 AM on 08/17/2012
Save social security, lift the 106K cutoff ,at which an individual stops paying,have people pay all year.
09:56 AM on 08/17/2012
It's $110K this year by the way. As long as my benefits go up accordingly, that's fine. As it is now, I am capped at $2,604 (estimated, may be 80% of that when I retire) a month no matter how much I make.
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08:53 PM on 08/17/2012
I'm capped at about the same, are you able in the course of a year or career to set aside multi millions of dallars on the side. So they cap? 
07:33 AM on 08/18/2012
That's because you do not pay FICA taxes on all your income if you make more than the cap.

Social Security benefits are calculated with a formula based on how much you pay in. That is why there is a cap on income that is subject to FICA taxes. And why the cap cannot be removed, only increased. Currently, the cap should be increased slightly to meet the requirements of the original guidelines.
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LoneTree
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01:20 PM on 08/17/2012
And do people who pay more get higher benefits? Or do we just make social security an out-and-out welfare system ("Hey! I have an idea! People making under $60K don't have to pay ANYTHING and those making over $106K can pay for EVERYTHING!"). Is that what you intend?

Because if people who pay more, get more, then how does raising the cap help in any way?
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08:58 PM on 08/17/2012
It helps because higher-wages get a lower weighting in the benefits formula.

Get more is problematic because Social Security is suppose to pay out benefits based on your contribution. It is not suppose to be welfare. The problem is that high-wage earners face a bias in the formula that makes their expected benefits per dollar contributed substantially lower.
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Joe Economist
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09:13 AM on 08/17/2012
"Social Security is not in deficit, and has not contributed to our debt and deficits. "

The Trustees of the Social Security system disagree. AP just released an article that debunks the non-sense about SS not adding to the deficit. You may like what the man says, but when you trust an agenda-driven think-tank over the Trustees of the system you want a feel-good conclusion rather than an informed opinion.

The Trustees have said (page 15 of their report) the system has a shortfall of 20.5 trillion dollars. They project that IN A GOOD ECONOMY people as old as 63 EXPECT to be affected by the exhaustion of the Trust Fund. It is irresponsible to ignore those facts.
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cable1977
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11:25 AM on 08/17/2012
"AP just released an article that debunks the non-sense about SS not adding to the deficit."

No it didn't. The AP article clearly states that this is referring to future debt and deficits, as discussed above. Perhaps we also shouldn't believe the opinion of the agenda driven "Joe Economist" about what articles are actually claiming versus what he is stating they claim.

The statement you quoted from the author above is entirely accurate. The author above never stated that there was no shortfall, nor that social security was something that shouldn't be address, did he?
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Joe Economist
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12:47 PM on 08/17/2012
I may have mixed quotes. One is from the Trustees - who get paid to ensure the financial safety of the system - and the other is from a different AP article. The link-police do not links, but you will find an article by the same author entitled "Fact Check: Does Social Security add to the budget deficit?"

The Trustees said that the system has a shortfall of 20.5 trillion. This includes the cost of the promises made to future retirees. Are you calling the Trustees agenda driven too?

The core problem is whether you think future benefits should be costed today. The Trustees say yes (they are responsible for the system's financial safety). The government as a whole says no - according to the Supreme Court future benefits in Social Security aren't guaranteed hence it isn't a present obligation.

But even if you agree with the government that Social Security benefits aren't guaranteed, the Social Security Trustees Report says that the system recieved a $103 billion dollar subsidy in dollar-for-dollar deficit spending in 2011. Beyond that, the system has enjoyed subsidies (again dollar-for-dollar deficit spending) since the mid-1970s in the form of the EITC, which literally pays people to pay their payroll taxes.

You want to play games with the numbers. My view is that millions of people depend upon the system and anything less than GAAP accounting is going to end in misery.
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12:47 PM on 08/17/2012
Like all other major entitlement programs SSA must be tweaked now and then as in the 80's when Reagan and congress worked to improve and extend it. As society changes the programs have to change with it or yes, indeed they would likely go broke. But thinking people can avoid these pitfalls IF they want to with minor adjustments here and there. Does anyone remember feeling more of a pinch in their income when Reagan got thru? No, I don't either. Such things amount to small money for individuals but add up to large differences in the program. Also they may have to raise the age as people live longer, that's appropriate I believe as well as cutting benefits for people above a certain income level. It remains there as a safety-net but if your income remains above a certain amount you should receive less than someone struggling with SSA alone to live on.
09:02 AM on 08/17/2012
Oh, right! Dana, have you been asleep during the last two major stock market downturns? We don't want our pensions and social security tied to the vagaries of a manipulated market by the 1%. We don't want our retirement security dependent upon a roller-coaster stock market! No right ongoing person should!

You are either independently wealthy, a member of the 1%, or a free-market ideologue-- or too young to know better!

Also, study SS ambit more-- how much you get out of it, does depend on how much you've put into it!

The "crisis" in Social Security is, in part, a right-wing fiction designed to spread fear and garner their support for an anti-government agenda.
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12:51 PM on 08/17/2012
Your last sentence is the republicans main MO. When you hear a republican talking about one of the entitlement programs you would do well to remember one of Roosevelts most famous quotes, We have nothing to fear but fear itself. And I would add, those who promote fear.
03:52 PM on 08/17/2012
Yeah its a great program. this from the FAR left miami herald.

http://www.miamiherald.com/2012/08/11/2946288/social-security-not-deal-it-once.html
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08:22 AM on 08/17/2012
Nice to see the Dems finally starting to refute the GOP claim about taking $700 billion from medicare. That money will be withehld from the Insurance, hospitals and drug companies to expand benefits for the sick and poor.
11:10 AM on 08/17/2012
And if the insurance, hospitals, and drug companies refuse to provide goods and services at the price the gov is willing to pay, how do the sick and poor benefit?
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Ecbtoo
12:18 PM on 08/17/2012
The freehand of the market will take care of that. They want to make money that is why. There is no reson a tylanol I just had in a recent hospital stay should cost $83.00
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12:55 PM on 08/17/2012
If you had studied the ACA agreement, the providers have agreed already to the plan. This is part of the plan. As health care providers they have few options unless they want to pursue some new line of income. Sell cars or something. Repealing ACA if it could even be accomplished at this late date would entail all kinds of unsavory things happening. We have all become very entrenched in this pervasive program whether we know it or not. I for one am very happy because its our first movement against the health care industry and its reckless greed. First of many I hope.
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07:53 AM on 08/17/2012
Social Security needs to change. Today's youth know that they are not going to get a dime from this program, that they are only working to pay the current retireies. Today's youth know that the current generation of baby boomers collecting from this program are going to tap it dry and nothing will be left for them.

We know that the best way to save this program is to have the money deposited into individual accounts instead of a general collective pool, where the money belongs to the individual, and invested in US Savings bonds.

By placing people's money in their own individual account we can insure that everyone who pays into the system will be able to collect their fair share, and the money left when they pass can be left to their heirs.
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09:08 AM on 08/17/2012
Dana,

Putting money into your own account doesn't help you unless you also bail-out on the benefits of existing retirees. If you put your payroll taxes into a private account, how will you pay for existing benefits.

If you say we will finance benefits out of the general fund, you are no better off. You simply have changed the pocket from which the money is taken. If you don't pay benefits, you haven't made yourself better off, you simply have made retirees worse off. Privatization fixes nothing.

The vast majority of people like you don't want into a privatized system - you want out of Social Security. That makes sense. It is easier to fix Social Security than add a layer that does nothing beyond make you feel better about your payroll taxes by making you hate income taxes that much more.
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11:44 AM on 08/17/2012
True - Social Security is a ponzi scheam where new members pay the bills of maturing members.  This works as long as there are always more suckers entering the system then being paid. Unfortunatly this isn't the case which is why social security is in trouble.
 
Yes, I would like to opt out of ss.  If I could, I would be able to retire 5 years earlier, let someone else have my job and retire with a real nice pension.
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01:28 PM on 08/17/2012
" Privatization fixes nothing. "

That kind of transition is always incredibly tricky. However, prolonging the unsustainable only increases the internal pressures on the system. "Guaranteed benefits" cannot be sustained unless we commit to a continually growing population.
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pshakkottai
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09:27 AM on 08/17/2012
Not true.

"Social Security is a federal agency. If you go on line to federal agencies, you will see a list of about 650 agencies. Not one ever has gone bankrupt. Not one ever has bounced a check. Yet, only two of these agencies is “supported by” (actually, limited by) FICA or by any other tax collection: Social Security and Medicare.

Why was this limit placed on Social Security and Medicare? Both programs were created when the U.S. government was monetarily non-sovereign. So, Congress needed to be convinced these two programs wouldn’t cost anything, and that these two programs were like private insurance policies, in which people paid for the benefits they received. That was the only way to get Congress to create Social Security and later, Medicare.

Today, because the U.S. now is Monetarily Sovereign, FICA not only is useless, and financially harmful, but it creates the wrong impression about Social Security finances. Because of FICA, some people believe Social Security will run out of money. " from

http://rodgermmitchell.wordpress.com/2012/03/26/monetary-sovereignty-for-young-people-part-4-social-security/
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11:39 AM on 08/17/2012
True.  Social Security has no obligation to pay anyone.  They can just stop paying if they get into financial trouble.  This way they will never go broke.
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07:49 AM on 08/17/2012
Only reforms needed to Social Security are to remove the cap on FICA contributions and also require contributions based on capital gains earnings. There is No Reason that individuals who make a living off dividends and capital gains should be exempt from supporting Social Security. I would support a $10K exemption on capital gains, with the rest subject to FICA. Let Mitt and the rest of the investment class bear the same burden that those who are employed already bear.

The Special Treatment of capital gains needs to END. Lower income taxes ... exempt from FICA ... this is why the middle class bears a heavier tax burden than the investment class.
10:00 AM on 08/17/2012
So, you are advocating they be taxed twice? Once when they originally earned the money to invest and once on their investment income? You may have an argument if SS on investment income is in proportion to the capital gains tax paid.
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11:26 AM on 08/17/2012
LOTS of "investment income" is taxed.  If you take your after-tax dollars and buy a CD at your local S&L the interest on that investment will be taxed as regular income.  The question is why some forms of investments are taxed differently than others.  
ALL investments with a positive ROI yield "income" ... but certain types are subject at most to a 15% capital gains rate while others are taxed at your marginal income tax rate.  
WHY does the government offer an added incentive to trade stock than to invest in your community via an S&L?  THAT sounds like socialistic economic planning for one form of income and investment to be tax incented versus another.
11:41 AM on 08/17/2012
SS was originally designed as a required retirement program with the employee and employer each paying into the fund. Your "savings" are then returned to you at retirement age, and the amount varies with what you have paid in. The reason there is a cap on contributions is that people who earn more than a certain level are expected to save for themselves privately. If you remove the cap, then those people will get even more (and as people generally take out more than they put in) you will end up with the system in worse shape than it is.
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02:14 PM on 08/17/2012
Simply wrong facts. Social Security was NEVER a 'savings" plan with your savings returned to you at retirement. That is what conservatives WANT it to be, if it has to continue at all ... a government sponsored mandatory 401k type plan.

Social Security was an "insurance" program, not a "savings" plan ... and it is closer to a traditional company pension plan than a savings plan. In traditional company pension plans, a portion of today's earnings was used to pay retirees. There is a hitch, of course, if the number of retirees is great and the number of current workers is small ... so companies had to pre-fund pensions to some degree by putting money aside for that purpose.

Private industry being as "efficient" as it is, of course, many companies did not set enough resources aside to pay promised future pensions and then were unable to pay them from current funds.

Companies like AT&T and Exxon currently have significantly underfunded pension plans that will require them to put more aside in the future in order to catch up ... assuming their businesses don't go away and they stick the government PBGC with the expense.

The government faces the same issue with its supplemental pension plan and needs to do what AT&T and Exxon need to do ... increase funding so it can continue to meet its obligations.

You do not have an individual account with SSA with "your" savings in it.
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07:42 AM on 08/17/2012
Biden guarantees?? Is this the same Biden who guaranteed that the Stimulus would create 500,000 jobs a month? A guarantee from RONCO is worth more.
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07:55 AM on 08/17/2012
right on. I didnt realise that Biden was so rich he could afford to pay for all these things. oh? he's not? Just another politician with his mouth making promises not even the US taxpayer can keep
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09:35 AM on 08/17/2012
That was Romney.He gaurantee's 12 million new job's if elected, there aren't enough part time service industry job's in the USA.